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00:08Olá e bem-vindos ao The Ring,
00:11a debate show da União Europeia aqui em Strasbourg.
00:17Uma semana, dois membros de União Europeia
00:20step into The Ring
00:21para defender suas views
00:23sobre o mais pressionado sobre a questão da Europa.
00:26Hoje, nós estamos novamente a falar sobre a U.S. e Israel's guerra contra o Irã.
00:31Isto a União Europeia preparada para lidar com o aumento de uma guerra prolongada?
00:36E pode isso gerar uma mudança radical na União Europeia?
00:42As a guerra na União Europeia enters a segunda semana,
00:45as shockwaves estão chegando a Europa.
00:47A conflito é raising urgent questions
00:49sobre a União Europeia, a segurança, a segurança e a role na globalização.
00:54A primeira impact é visível na energia mercados.
00:57Oil prices surged over $100 a barrel
01:00for the first time in four years.
01:03Para a Europa export-driven economia,
01:05a prolonged conflict could translate into slower growth
01:08e renewed financial volatility.
01:11A crisis é também testando a relação com a relação com a Trump administration.
01:15O governo Europeia aligná mais closely com a Washington.
01:20Meanwhile, security concerns
01:22for Europe's southeastern region are mounting.
01:25Several EU nations have sent warships
01:27to bolster the defences of Cyprus,
01:29an EU island nation
01:30which has already been caught in the crossfire.
01:34Where does Europe stand in this crisis?
01:36Will it remain largely defensive,
01:38managing the fallout of a conflict
01:40it cannot control,
01:41or attempt a more offensive role?
01:50Just some of the questions we have
01:52for our contenders today.
01:54Let's meet them.
01:56Antonio López Isturiz,
01:58a Spanish MEP
01:59from the Central Right European People's Party.
02:02A lawyer by training,
02:03he has been an MEP since 2004,
02:05and he sits on the Committee on Foreign Affairs
02:08at the European Parliament.
02:09Commenting on international security challenges,
02:11he has stressed the importance
02:13of strengthening cooperation
02:14among democratic partners.
02:15In the context of the escalation
02:17in the Middle East,
02:18he said,
02:19Given Iran's support for terrorism,
02:21its nuclear ambitions,
02:22and its regional aggression,
02:24the West cannot remain passive.
02:26Daniel Attard,
02:28a Maltese MEP
02:29from the Socialists and Democrats Group.
02:31A lawyer by training,
02:32he was elected to the European Parliament
02:33in 2024,
02:35where he is vice chair
02:36of the delegation
02:36for relations with Iran.
02:38Commenting on the war in Iran,
02:40he said,
02:40There are serious legal questions
02:42about this military operation,
02:43but we must not lose sight
02:45of where the root causes
02:46of this crisis lie.
02:47The Iranian regime
02:48has for decades destabilized the region,
02:50sponsored militias,
02:51and repressed its own people.
02:53I would advocate for hard diplomacy.
02:55Europe should lead talks
02:57toward de-escalation.
02:58Diplomacy should always prevail.
03:03MEPs Antonio López Isturiz
03:05and Daniel Attard,
03:06welcome to The Ring.
03:08So, the idea here is to give
03:10our viewers at home
03:12a little taste
03:12of the debates
03:13that happen here
03:14in the European Parliament,
03:16so I'm sure you both
03:16will feel just at home.
03:18Let's get started.
03:19I will start with you, Antonio.
03:21We're in the second week
03:23of this war.
03:23There's really no signs
03:24of this abating right now.
03:25Are you any clearer now
03:27on what the end goals
03:29of both the U.S.
03:30and Israel are here?
03:32Well, I don't think
03:33that we don't have
03:34the information, none of us.
03:36Not even people at charge
03:37here in the European Union
03:38about what's going on.
03:40It should be another way.
03:42I think that also
03:43the European Union
03:43is losing a little bit,
03:45let's say,
03:46the initiative
03:46to be there, you know,
03:48in order to also help.
03:51Our motto nowadays
03:53and the European flag
03:55represents precisely
03:58principles, values,
03:59and that's what we have
04:00to work with
04:01and we have to collaborate.
04:03But we are not
04:04really in the decision-making
04:06at the worldwide situation,
04:09at the geopolitical situation today.
04:11Okay, you mentioned
04:11those European values.
04:13I think the EU
04:14is also built on this concept
04:16of international law
04:17and respect for the rules.
04:19You've said, Daniel,
04:20that, you know,
04:21this initial strike
04:22from the U.S. and Israel
04:23that triggered the war
04:23was not in line
04:25with international law.
04:26So is it right now
04:27that the EU,
04:27as Antonio says,
04:28there's more to support
04:29the U.S. and Israel
04:30in this war?
04:31The EU should stand up
04:33for its values.
04:35As my colleague has said,
04:37our mission is clear,
04:38in my opinion.
04:39We should, first of all,
04:41push for the escalation,
04:43build a path
04:43towards a return
04:44to diplomacy,
04:45protect our citizens
04:46and our interests
04:47in the region,
04:49and we should also
04:50stand firm
04:51with the long struggle
04:52of the Iranian people
04:53for freedom and dignity.
04:54because, as I said,
04:57there are serious questions
04:58on the legality
05:00of this military operation,
05:02but we should not
05:04lose sight
05:04of the historical context
05:05of the Iranian regime,
05:07how the crisis unfolded
05:09over the past decades,
05:10not just over
05:11the past 15 days.
05:12Okay, but let me put this to you.
05:13Is the war so far
05:14doing anything
05:15to help the Iranian people?
05:17The Iranian regime
05:19has been for years
05:20building up
05:20its nuclear capacity.
05:22Its moments
05:24to become military-grade uranium
05:27also has been sponsoring
05:29terrorist attacks
05:30all over the world
05:31for years.
05:33I think it's also about a time
05:34that Iran and the regime
05:36learns about also
05:37principles and values.
05:38And sometimes,
05:39sometimes,
05:40we have to be strict on this.
05:42But we've seen
05:43the supreme leader
05:44being replaced
05:45by his son,
05:46so if it is regime change
05:47that the U.S. and Israel
05:48are pursuing,
05:49it doesn't seem
05:50that that's working so far.
05:52Do you think it's right
05:53to pursue regime change
05:54from the skies?
05:54I think it should be a joke
05:56to say that we have
05:56a regime change
05:57when the son takes
05:58from the father.
06:00Let's say a sad joke
06:01because these people
06:02have killed thousands,
06:04specifically also women
06:05that were fighting
06:07for the freedoms in Iran.
06:08We cannot escape
06:10that reality.
06:11So also we have to fight
06:12for our principles
06:13and values
06:14fighting this kind of regimes.
06:16and for them to change
06:18and also to have,
06:19and I agree with Daniel,
06:21that we give
06:21the Iranian people
06:23the opportunity
06:23also to take
06:25the future for themselves,
06:27for a democratic future
06:28in Iran.
06:28I am sure that we,
06:29him and I,
06:30and many in this parliament,
06:31we agree.
06:32There was a resolution
06:33two weeks ago
06:34about Iran,
06:35only nine votes against
06:36from the extreme right.
06:37The rest of the parliament
06:38was absolutely agreeing.
06:40I had the pleasure,
06:41the honor of being
06:42the chief negotiator
06:43of this resolution,
06:44and that was the image
06:45of this parliament
06:46united for that purpose.
06:48So there's consensus
06:48on that,
06:49on the brutality
06:50of the Iranian regime
06:51and the need for the EU
06:53to support the pro-democracy,
06:54pro-freedom movement.
06:55But a socialist voice
06:57in Europe,
06:58Pedro Sánchez,
06:59the prime minister of Spain,
07:00has also been very firm
07:01in calling for restraint
07:04and this message
07:05of no to war.
07:06Do you stand
07:07with his message?
07:08Pedro Sánchez spoke
07:10for the upholding
07:11of international law
07:12and I believe
07:13in this house
07:14we all stand
07:15for international law,
07:16international order
07:17and multilateralism.
07:20What do you make,
07:20both of you,
07:21of the response
07:22from the EU institutions?
07:25Who speaks
07:26on behalf of the EU
07:28when it comes
07:28to this conflict?
07:29Maybe you can start here.
07:30Listen,
07:31the European parliament
07:31has been clear
07:33and consistent.
07:34We have been calling
07:35for the designation
07:36of the IRGC
07:38as a terrorist organization
07:39for at least
07:40three years.
07:42Three years
07:42repeating our call
07:44for this designation
07:45and it took
07:46the council three years
07:47to align
07:47with the parliament's position.
07:48So this institution
07:49where we stand today
07:51has been clear and vocal
07:52but we lack
07:53the unanimity
07:55as a European Union.
07:57Yes,
07:57but if I may,
07:58there is an all-out war
08:00happening
08:00affecting Europe,
08:02shockwaves
08:02in terms of energy prices,
08:04economic fallout
08:04and so on.
08:05now that there is
08:06a war happening,
08:07who speaks for Europe?
08:09Do you think
08:09that it should be
08:10von der Leyen
08:11for example?
08:12No,
08:12clearly it's not
08:12Pedro Sánchez.
08:13Let me point that
08:14because he is now
08:15in the, let's say,
08:16pre-electoral process
08:17in Spain
08:18and it's not good
08:18to mix things
08:19and to give rhetorics
08:21like the no-true war.
08:23I mean,
08:23we don't want wars.
08:25No one wants.
08:26But to use it,
08:27you know,
08:28for internal purposes,
08:29now more than ever
08:30we have to be united.
08:32There has not to be
08:33any discordant voices.
08:35We have to
08:36and maybe,
08:37maybe,
08:38what Pedro Sánchez
08:38should do
08:39is come to the council,
08:40agree with,
08:41you know,
08:41the prime ministers,
08:42even from Malta,
08:43from Germany,
08:44everybody,
08:45and we have
08:45a common position.
08:46That's how things
08:47are done
08:47in this European Union
08:48and at least
08:49he should respect that.
08:50Can you give him
08:51credit for at least
08:52being very firm
08:53in the sense
08:54that other EU leaders
08:55seem to be treading
08:56this very fine line
08:57between condemning
08:58the Iranian regime,
09:00supporting some kind
09:01of change in the regime
09:02and the toppling of the regime,
09:03but yet not really
09:05standing very clear
09:06on what it makes
09:06of this US-Israeli intervention.
09:08Isn't treading
09:09this fine line
09:11in the middle
09:11making the EU
09:12irrelevant here?
09:14No.
09:14Now,
09:15more than ever,
09:16we need that single voice.
09:17We don't need voices
09:19spread around
09:20in this European Union
09:21because that's what
09:22everybody is asking
09:23from us.
09:24If we want to be
09:25really an actor
09:26on the ground
09:27in many areas
09:28where, again,
09:29the European Union
09:30with its principles
09:31and values
09:31can contribute also
09:33to alleviate
09:33the effects
09:34of what's going on.
09:36And on that,
09:37because we are seeing
09:37big impacts
09:38in terms of oil prices
09:40already,
09:41shouldn't the EU
09:41be doing more
09:42to be more proactive
09:43here to anticipate
09:45the possible impact
09:46on European citizens?
09:48We have been saying
09:48this from across
09:51the chamber
09:51for weeks,
09:53months,
09:53and also years.
09:54We have to build
09:54our strategic autonomy,
09:56be it economically,
09:57be it in terms of energy,
09:58be it in terms of security.
09:59Strategic autonomy
10:00does not mean
10:01that we are being hostile
10:03to the US,
10:04but it will actually
10:06strengthen
10:07the strategic partnership.
10:08But strategic partnership
10:08does not have to mean
10:10strategic dependence.
10:11So, yes,
10:12to answer your question,
10:13we have to do more
10:14to be more autonomous,
10:15to be able
10:16to shape future events
10:17rather than simply
10:18react to them
10:19as we have been doing,
10:20not just in this crisis,
10:21but also when it comes
10:23to the war in Ukraine
10:25and other conflicts
10:26around the world.
10:27But does that mean
10:29drastically reducing
10:30the reliance on the US
10:31when it comes to
10:32Europe's defense?
10:33As I said,
10:35building our strategic autonomy
10:37does not mean
10:38weakening our strategic partnerships.
10:40Maybe a final response
10:41to that?
10:43Strategic autonomy
10:44means inside
10:46the systems
10:47where we are,
10:48the structures
10:49where we are,
10:49NATO,
10:50United Nations,
10:51that we have
10:52Europeans together,
10:54we have a single voice,
10:56again,
10:56not dispersed voices
10:58on electoral purposes,
11:00but a single voice
11:01in these structures,
11:03that we react as,
11:04and also,
11:06we are working
11:07with our allies.
11:09Who are our allies?
11:10Democratic countries.
11:12That might be
11:13perfect or imperfect,
11:14maybe they have not
11:15elected the president
11:16we wanted,
11:17or yes,
11:17but they are democracies.
11:19And we have to be patient
11:20like they are also
11:21with us sometimes,
11:22I have to say.
11:23Let me stop you there.
11:23I see we're getting
11:24warmed up here
11:25in the debate,
11:26but it's now time
11:27to move on
11:28to the second round.
11:34It's time for our contenders
11:35to directly challenge
11:37each other.
11:37They've come here today
11:38armed with their own
11:40questions for their opponent.
11:42So let's hear them
11:43and let me start
11:44with you, Daniel,
11:45your first question
11:45to Antonio.
11:46So, Antonio,
11:48we have been talking
11:49about strategic autonomy,
11:51but does that mean
11:52that we have to align
11:54with decisions
11:54taken by others
11:56across the region,
11:57across the transatlantic?
11:59not to follow,
12:00and I think,
12:01I'm sure that we should agree,
12:02not to follow,
12:03but to be in the decision making
12:05and also contributing
12:07with our European values
12:08in that decision making.
12:10Maybe we could have,
12:10we could do a difference.
12:13My,
12:14maybe,
12:14autocritic is that
12:15maybe the Europeans,
12:16we are not soon enough
12:17in places
12:18where decisions are taken.
12:20These are the opportunities
12:21that we cannot miss.
12:23Antonio,
12:24your first question
12:24to Daniel.
12:26Again,
12:28our allies.
12:28I talked about our allies.
12:30Daniel,
12:30what do you think?
12:31I mean,
12:32should we stay,
12:33you know,
12:34also with them?
12:35They are democratic countries.
12:36Should we go
12:37in another way?
12:39What,
12:39what's your view on this?
12:41So you're talking about
12:42the Gulf countries
12:42and the US,
12:43I'm assuming?
12:44Yes, of course.
12:44And Israel,
12:45by the way,
12:45also.
12:45And Israel.
12:46As I said,
12:47we should,
12:48first of all,
12:48invest in our strategic autonomy
12:50so that we are able,
12:51as a European Union,
12:52to speak with one voice
12:53and to shape events
12:54rather than
12:55simply react to them
12:56as we have been doing.
12:57But we should also,
12:58yes,
12:58work with our allies closely.
13:00Let's speak about
13:01the transatlantic allegiance,
13:04the elephant in the room.
13:05The EU and the US
13:06share decades
13:07of strategic partnership
13:09and I believe
13:10that that strategic partnership
13:12will outlast
13:13any single crisis.
13:15I believe that
13:16beyond political rhetoric
13:18that strategic alliance
13:19will outlast
13:20this war
13:21and we can build
13:22on that,
13:23building on that
13:24while also building
13:24our own
13:26strategic autonomy.
13:27As a product
13:28of a transatlantic relation
13:29that I am,
13:30my mother is American,
13:31I have to say
13:31I agree absolutely.
13:33Good, very good.
13:34Daniel,
13:35your second question
13:36to Antonio.
13:36So,
13:37my question is this.
13:38Would you think,
13:39speaking of the Iranian people,
13:40we said that
13:41they now have the hope
13:43for freedom
13:44and for dignity,
13:45something which
13:45they long have been fighting for.
13:48but do you think
13:49that their future
13:50can be decided
13:51by foreign powers
13:52or by missiles dropping
13:53in their country?
13:55No.
13:56And I said,
13:57we said it before,
13:58you and me.
13:58I think that we agree.
14:00By the way,
14:00you are an expert,
14:01you are in the Iranian delegation
14:02here in the European Parliament
14:04and I have been passionately involved
14:06in the fight against this regime.
14:08By the way,
14:08I'm in the black list
14:09of the regime.
14:10to tell you that,
14:12you know,
14:12we have to join efforts
14:14in order to tackle
14:15with this regime,
14:17that we have to be
14:19prudent also
14:20in the way
14:21that the Iranian people
14:23feel our support
14:25and they feel it
14:26in a way
14:27that they can race
14:28against this regime.
14:29They have done it before.
14:30Remember,
14:31just this Christmas,
14:33there were 6,000 people
14:34killed in the streets of Iran
14:35because of that.
14:36We need to be to them
14:38and we have to give them
14:39the clear messages
14:40of our support.
14:41But very briefly,
14:42if I may,
14:42just to push further
14:44on that question,
14:45do you think
14:46that this war
14:47is actually helping
14:49and sending that signal
14:50from the West,
14:51the signal that you've
14:52just spoken about
14:53to the Iranian people?
14:54I think that the willing
14:54also to change
14:55the regime in Iran
14:56is maybe,
14:58maybe,
14:58giving this,
15:00you know,
15:01support,
15:01this help
15:03to the European,
15:04to the Iranian people.
15:06It's soon to know.
15:07We don't know
15:08what's going on
15:09in the streets.
15:09there is
15:10internet blackout,
15:11there is no communication.
15:12We don't know,
15:13Daniel,
15:13me,
15:14and anyone here
15:14what's going on
15:15in the streets
15:16of Tehran
15:16on East Fahan.
15:18But we wish
15:19and we want
15:20the Iranian people
15:21to feel our support,
15:22not only for resolutions,
15:24but also with action.
15:25Okay,
15:25we have time
15:25for a very last question
15:27from you,
15:27Antonio,
15:27to Daniel.
15:29Yes.
15:32Sanctions,
15:33Daniel.
15:33because I just heard
15:35the president
15:35of the socialist group,
15:36Irache Garcia,
15:37talking about,
15:39you know,
15:39that we need
15:41more sanctions
15:42to asphyxiate
15:43the regime.
15:45Do you think
15:45that we have done
15:46enough or not
15:47in the European Union?
15:48I mean,
15:48this is a question
15:49that we all
15:49members have
15:50in the different groups.
15:51I think that
15:52the parliament
15:52has done its job,
15:53it has been consistent,
15:54but we definitely
15:55have to do more.
15:55We have to,
15:56we need hard diplomacy,
15:58we need to increase
15:58the pressure
15:59on the regime.
16:00We still have
16:00embassies operating
16:01like business as usual
16:03in the European Union.
16:04I think we should
16:04take action
16:05on that
16:06and also,
16:06obviously,
16:07we need the council
16:07to be more fast
16:08because as we have seen,
16:10political hesitation
16:11carries consequences.
16:13Okay,
16:13thank you both
16:14for your own
16:15questions there,
16:16but it's time now
16:17to bring new voices
16:19into the debate.
16:24Now,
16:25earlier this week,
16:25European Commission
16:26President Ursula von der Leyen
16:28delivered a speech
16:29pitching a new way
16:31forward for the EU
16:32in the way
16:32it does foreign policy.
16:35Let's listen to
16:36what she had to say
16:37and also the reaction
16:37from her own
16:38Vice President
16:39Teresa Rivera.
16:41Europe can no longer
16:43be a custodian
16:44of the old world order
16:45for a world
16:46that has gone
16:47and will not return.
16:49We will always
16:50defend and uphold
16:51the rules-based system
16:53that we help to build
16:54with our allies,
16:56but we can no longer
16:57rely on it
16:58as the only way
17:00to defend our interests.
17:02It is fair to say
17:04that maybe
17:05it was not
17:06the most adequate
17:08manner to express
17:09herself,
17:11but yes,
17:12she is fully committed,
17:14of course,
17:14to the international order,
17:16but to me,
17:18it is key
17:19to defend,
17:20to stress,
17:21to underline
17:22that the international law
17:23is a key element
17:25of building
17:26the European project
17:27and the European security.
17:28The large majority
17:29of countries
17:30around the world
17:31think that this is
17:32the best thing
17:33we have done
17:34since the end
17:34of World War II,
17:36but it is absolutely
17:37key for Europe.
17:39Antonio,
17:40is von der Leyen
17:41right?
17:42Does the EU need
17:42to change the way
17:43it does foreign policy
17:44in this new world?
17:45It's a little bit sad,
17:45no,
17:45to see the Vice President
17:46of the Commission
17:46receiving phone calls
17:47from the Prime Minister
17:48of Spain
17:49and introducing
17:50his agenda.
17:52I don't think
17:52that, you know,
17:53in the declarations
17:54of Ursula,
17:55I don't see the agenda
17:55of anyone
17:56except the European one.
17:58When she said
17:59we cannot set a tear
18:01for the regime,
18:02I think that we can
18:04all agree, you know,
18:05with this approach.
18:06Well, we do have
18:07a socialist here on set.
18:08You belong to the same
18:09political family
18:10as Rivera, of course,
18:12and the Prime Minister
18:12Pedro Sánchez.
18:13What do you make of that?
18:14I think that beyond
18:17the political rhetoric
18:19with an upcoming election
18:21in Spain,
18:22what Pedro has said
18:23is he stood up
18:24for international law,
18:26for what we stand for
18:27in this house.
18:28But it also shows
18:29the beauty of this house
18:30that we can have
18:31different opinions,
18:33but we can also agree
18:34on the basics.
18:34And to be clear,
18:36international crisis
18:37rarely offer
18:39simple answers,
18:41but complexity
18:41does not have to mean
18:43moral blindness.
18:45Okay,
18:45but what the lion
18:46is saying
18:47that, you know,
18:48continuing with the same
18:49agenda is naive
18:50because the world
18:51around us
18:52is changing.
18:53Do you agree
18:54with her in that,
18:55in that, you know,
18:56there needs to be
18:57more pragmatic
18:58interest-based approach
19:00to the EU's foreign policy?
19:01I'm all for a
19:02pragmatic-based approach,
19:04but we have to be able
19:06also to speak
19:07with one voice
19:08when it comes
19:08to what we stand for,
19:09our values,
19:10the rule of law,
19:11international order.
19:12And we must also
19:13be able to condemn
19:14the killing
19:15of innocents,
19:16like the children,
19:18the school children,
19:18which were killed
19:19innocently in the United States.
19:20But was the timing of her speech
19:20right, would you say?
19:22The speech of von der Leyen.
19:23Of von der Leyen,
19:23when she casts a little bit
19:25of a doubt
19:26on the strength
19:27of the EU's
19:28kind of commitments
19:28to the rules-based order.
19:30She said that you can
19:31no longer be a custodian
19:32of that rules-based order.
19:33I wouldn't subscribe
19:35to that.
19:35I think that,
19:36as a European Union,
19:38we should be strong
19:38and standing up
19:40for our values
19:41because that is
19:42the core foundation
19:42of why this union
19:44was founded
19:45after the Second World War.
19:46Okay, let me stop you there
19:47because it's time for us
19:48to take a short break
19:49here on The Ring,
19:50but stay with us.
19:51We'll be back very soon.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring,
20:04Euronews' new weekly debate show.
20:06I'm joined by MEPs Daniel Attard
20:09and Antonio Lodefi-Sturiz
20:10to discuss the US and Israel's war
20:13with Iran
20:14and the ripple effects
20:15felt in Europe.
20:17The conflict has, of course,
20:19caused the effective closure
20:21of the Strait of Hormuz
20:22Let's take a look
20:24at why that matters
20:25for Europe.
20:26As you can see there,
20:28around 20% of the world's oil
20:31passes through the Strait.
20:33Major exporters of energy
20:35include Saudi Arabia,
20:37the United Arab Emirates,
20:38Iraq and Iran.
20:40And why does this matter
20:41for Europe?
20:42Well, about 13% of EU oil imports
20:45are transited through Hormuz.
20:48And, of course,
20:49this is why there is
20:50growing concern here in Europe
20:52about the potential impact
20:54on prices
20:55and on consumers' pockets.
20:57I should also note
20:58that the US is now saying
20:59it has eliminated
21:01Iranian mine-laying ships
21:03in the Strait.
21:04Also,
21:05the International Energy Agency
21:06is proposing
21:07the largest ever oil release
21:09from strategic reserves.
21:11The situation
21:11is obviously evolving quickly.
21:14Do we need to see
21:15a more proactive response
21:16from the EU here
21:17because we could see
21:18a big impact
21:19on European consumers?
21:20I think what this tells you
21:22is that the Iranian regime
21:24is at its weakest.
21:25Why?
21:26Because while 13%,
21:28as you quoted,
21:29of the EU's imports
21:30come from that Strait,
21:31but 100%
21:32of Iranians' exports
21:33pass through that Strait.
21:35So this is
21:35a suicidal decision
21:37by the Iranian regime,
21:38which is in dire straits
21:40and which is
21:41at its weakest.
21:42And by appointing
21:45another Khamenei
21:45to the role of supremely,
21:47it tells you
21:47all you need to know
21:48about this regime.
21:49The time of this regime
21:50is up.
21:51I've said it before
21:51and I say it again.
21:52Your response?
21:53For once,
21:54Macron is right
21:56when he sent
21:57the aircraft carrier
21:58to Cyprus
21:59and he's taking
22:01the fragates
22:02and also talking
22:04about the European defense
22:05of the Strait of Ormuz.
22:07It's not only
22:08about oil and gas.
22:10It's also our allies
22:11in the region,
22:12Gulf countries
22:13like the United Emirates.
22:14There are full
22:15thousands of European citizens
22:17working every day there.
22:19It's also a hub
22:20for millions of Europeans
22:21that they fly
22:22to other continents.
22:24It is a very attractive place
22:26and they have done it
22:26and they have approached us
22:28during these latest years.
22:30So we need to be by them.
22:32They are suffering
22:33the indiscriminate attacks
22:34from the regime.
22:35I think that the Europeans,
22:36we have to be very clear on that.
22:38And very briefly,
22:38EU leaders will be gathering
22:39at Brussels next week.
22:41Is there anything
22:41they should be doing now
22:43to prepare for a potential
22:44further spike in prices
22:46and the impact
22:46on the European economy?
22:48Yes.
22:49We should be,
22:50as Macron has stated,
22:52and also Ursula.
22:53And I don't want to advance
22:55because I don't want
22:56to give a different opinion.
22:57I rely on all of them united.
23:00but my ask is that Europe is there,
23:04present for our allies
23:06in the region,
23:07in the Gulf,
23:07to protect them.
23:09Not, again,
23:10not only the oil and gas.
23:11So it's about sending frigates
23:12to the region to patrol
23:13to protect commercial vessels.
23:15The Strait of Ormuz,
23:16it's worldwide.
23:17It's not only Europe.
23:18It's worldwide stability.
23:20And that's what we have
23:21to be there for.
23:22The U.S. is already
23:23doing this as well.
23:24We keep hearing, though,
23:25that this is not like 2022.
23:27This is not the crisis
23:28that we saw back then,
23:30the energy crisis
23:30when Russia invaded Ukraine.
23:33Do you think it's naive
23:34to say that you need
23:35to be more kind of proactive here,
23:37for example,
23:37in anticipating the possible impact
23:39on electricity prices?
23:41As I was saying
23:42from the start of this debate,
23:43we must be more strategically autonomous,
23:45not to react to future crises,
23:47but to be able to shape them.
23:49What does that mean?
23:49Does it mean more nuclear?
23:51Does it mean more green energy?
23:52What I wanted to say
23:53is that very well connected.
23:56Ukraine,
23:56what's going on
23:57in the Middle East,
23:58these are warning calls,
24:01wake-up calls for us Europeans,
24:02that we are surrounded
24:03by regimes,
24:04that they don't like
24:05our way of living,
24:06our democracy.
24:07And now, Europeans,
24:09we are understanding
24:10that we have to do
24:11something about it.
24:13Of course,
24:14the question of energy
24:15is crucial.
24:16Europe is dependent
24:17on energy.
24:18We do not produce
24:19energy by ourselves,
24:20enough for our
24:22powerful industry,
24:23for our jobs,
24:25also,
24:25for our social structure.
24:27Yeah,
24:28but not enough.
24:29Unfortunately,
24:29not enough yet
24:30to sustain our system.
24:33So,
24:33we have to do something about it.
24:35Do you support
24:35what Wanderlein said earlier this week
24:36about more nuclear energy,
24:38going back to that?
24:39Well,
24:40I just discovered,
24:40as you know,
24:41and all of us,
24:42that now it's a green energy,
24:43by the way,
24:44recognized by the European institutions
24:46and by the European Parliament.
24:47So,
24:48good for that.
24:49Very briefly,
24:50just to close,
24:51do you think
24:51this should really
24:52propel efforts
24:53to invest more
24:54in either nuclear
24:56or green energies?
24:58100%.
24:58We should diversify
24:59to ensure
25:00that we are independent
25:01as much as possible.
25:02Okay.
25:04Now it's time to move on
25:05to our fifth
25:06and final round today.
25:12In our very last round of debate,
25:15I will ask you
25:15a set of
25:16very short questions
25:17and I do require
25:18a very short answer,
25:19yes or no.
25:21Referendum.
25:22Yes or no,
25:23if possible.
25:24Let's start here
25:25with you,
25:26Daniel.
25:27Do you support
25:29the US
25:29and Israel's war
25:30on Iran?
25:33International complexities
25:33do not offer simple answers.
25:35No, yes or no, then.
25:37There are serious questions
25:38about the military operation,
25:39but
25:39it has brought us
25:41the closest
25:41to bring about
25:42a change in the regime.
25:43Okay.
25:44Do you support the war,
25:45yes or no?
25:45If there are,
25:46you know,
25:47ways to take out
25:48this regime in Iran,
25:49you know,
25:49that we are many,
25:51we have prayed for that
25:52for many years,
25:53good.
25:53Is that the way?
25:55I don't know.
25:55We'll see now.
25:56Let's see if we get
25:57shorter on the second one.
25:58Do you believe the war
25:59can be a success
26:00for the West?
26:02You are making
26:03our life hard,
26:04to answer yes or no.
26:05I can see.
26:06It is definitely
26:07a wake-up call
26:08and with
26:09dubious intentions,
26:11there could be
26:11good outcomes.
26:12Okay.
26:13Wars
26:14are not successful,
26:15never.
26:17And especially
26:18when they are started
26:19by someone
26:19that is building out
26:20their nuclear capacities
26:21to end us.
26:23Let me give you
26:24an easier one.
26:25Is the war
26:26a threat
26:26to European security?
26:28Yes or no?
26:28Yes.
26:31Is the war
26:32that Donald Trump,
26:34but specifically
26:34Donald Trump himself,
26:36a threat
26:36to European security?
26:38Yes or no?
26:40The transatlantic
26:41relation
26:42has been a strength,
26:43not a threat.
26:44Is Donald Trump
26:45a threat?
26:46Transatlantic relation.
26:47Whoever is the president,
26:49I have relations
26:50with Democrats,
26:50Republicans,
26:51you know,
26:51whatever it is,
26:52you know,
26:52you can like it or not,
26:54but we have to work on that.
26:56Is the EU
26:57currently
26:58too reactive
27:00and not proactive
27:01enough
27:02in its response
27:02to the war?
27:03Yes.
27:04Is the EU
27:05too reactive
27:06and not proactive
27:07enough
27:07in its response?
27:08Yes.
27:09And is
27:10the crisis,
27:11would you say,
27:12a test of Europe's
27:13geopolitical credibility?
27:15Definitely.
27:17Absolutely.
27:18Okay.
27:19And that brings
27:20this edition
27:21of The Ring
27:22to an end.
27:23Thank you so much
27:23to our guests today,
27:25MEPs Antonio Lovetti-Sturiz
27:27and Daniel Attard.
27:28Thank you also
27:29to you at home
27:30for watching.
27:32We'll be back next week
27:33with another
27:34Head to Head.
27:35In the meantime,
27:35write to us
27:36with your suggestions
27:37at The Ring
27:38at Euronews.com
27:39and see you soon
27:40here on Euronews.
27:42Thank you.
27:43Thank you.
27:47Thank you.
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