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Willard and Dibs debate if it's fair for Warriors fans to complain that the Warriors are wasting the end of Steph Curry's career. Are they?
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00:00Is that fair? I don't understand why they're so hell-bent on wasting the end of the Steph era.
00:08It's nonsense.
00:09Nonsense.
00:10I don't know if it's fair or unfair, but I think that it is a cherry pick.
00:14And I don't think that the Warriors are hell-bent on wasting the end of the Steph Curry era.
00:21I think that that is, that's kind of a bit of a cheap shot, and I think it's short-sighted.
00:27So you go back to last year at the deadline, not this past season, but the season before,
00:32and you acquire Jimmy Butler.
00:34You traded a perfectly good Andrew Wiggins, healthy.
00:38This is Andrew Wiggins.
00:39You rolled the dice.
00:40That, to me, is not wasting the end of the Steph Curry era.
00:44Jimmy gets hurt.
00:45Moses gets hurt.
00:46Okay, if you wanted to waste the end of the Steph Curry era,
00:50well, then you would have traded absolutely everything,
00:53and you trade away Yaxle, and you trade whatever you can,
00:57and you get picks down the road,
00:58and you basically surround Steph Curry with Leons and Cryer and Richard and Spencer,
01:03and that, to me, would be wasting the end of it,
01:07being hell-bent on wasting the end of the Steph Curry era.
01:10I agree with you.
01:11I'm trying this whole time to figure out a way to split the difference.
01:15You know, I think it's easy.
01:17I hear this from Bill Simmons.
01:20I hear it from Kevin O'Connor a lot.
01:22There's people in the national media that sort of get caught up,
01:26and I get it.
01:27They get caught up in the romance of Steph Curry.
01:29You watch Steph Curry play,
01:31and he played barely more than half the games last year,
01:34but you watch him play, and you're like,
01:36damn, dude, he's still got it.
01:38So that means you got to go all in.
01:41You got to go all in for Steph.
01:43And I'm like, no, you really don't, and you shouldn't.
01:46There is no all in.
01:50Like, I think that even gets overused.
01:53If you are a sports franchise, at all times,
01:57your job is to be as good as you possibly can be now,
02:01but not irresponsible.
02:03And I've long thought that when the majority of your good players
02:07are over 35 years old,
02:09you'd be stupid to give up all of your draft picks.
02:12And people go, ah, draft picks, whatever.
02:16The same people are now excited about Yaxa Lindeborg.
02:19He hasn't played an NBA game yet,
02:21but he's got people's interest,
02:22and the Warriors have no interest in dealing him,
02:25as told to us by Ramona Shelburne.
02:29But there's two sides to that story.
02:31I'm sort of like, don't go all in,
02:35but can you go some in?
02:37And their response, as you just pointed out, would be,
02:40we did, we got Jimmy Butler.
02:42All right, and now I'm thinking,
02:46I mean, can we go a little bit more in?
02:49You don't have to go all in.
02:51And I realize it's difficult,
02:54but I think that you have to do something.
02:59But I'm with you on the larger point.
03:01This whole idea of Steph is romantic,
03:04he's awesome,
03:05let's continue this title chase,
03:08and if that means four picks and two pick swaps,
03:10then fine.
03:11I just,
03:13that does not feel like the right thing to do.
03:17It just doesn't.
03:18No, it doesn't.
03:19And let's go back to this past February,
03:21when we were at Media Row,
03:23here for the Super Bowl,
03:25and we did three and a half shows,
03:27if not more,
03:28on their pursuit of Giannis Antetokounmpo.
03:30And it was four picks and two pick swaps,
03:33and it would have been,
03:34you know,
03:35I guess Jimmy Butler's contract,
03:36and Draymond was thrown out there,
03:38and there were rumors that
03:39they wanted to get Kevin Durant,
03:41but Kevin Durant didn't want to come.
03:43It's not like
03:43they're just sitting on their hands saying,
03:45well, you know what?
03:46We're hell-bent
03:47on wasting these last few years, Steph.
03:49I'm sorry.
03:50And being hell-bent,
03:52by the way,
03:52means that you are absolutely
03:53100% determined to do something.
03:55So I don't think
03:56that they're hell-bent
03:58on like maximizing the window
04:00or wasting the rest of his window.
04:02I think that what you just said
04:04is their approach,
04:05which is prudence.
04:07You're going to try to make moves
04:08that work for you now,
04:09and they don't cost you in the future.
04:11And if you can't make those moves,
04:13and the whole idea about Anthony Davis,
04:15if you get AD,
04:17then you'll get LeBron,
04:18and it might cost you three first-rounders
04:20and Jimmy Butler
04:21and who knows what else,
04:22but I'm all in on that.
04:24Well, and LeBron plays for one year,
04:26and he leaves again,
04:28and Anthony Davis,
04:29you have to sign to a max,
04:30and now he's here,
04:31and he gets hurt.
04:32Whatever your move was going to be,
04:34I do think that they're trying,
04:36but they're not just throwing caution to the wind,
04:39nor should they.
04:40Yeah.
04:40Right now,
04:41I take solace in the fact
04:42that the Draymond Green deal
04:44has not been announced or signed,
04:46and that's not because I'm rooting
04:47for something bad to happen
04:49between Draymond and the Warriors.
04:51I just have to think
04:52that the only reason
04:54that they wouldn't have a deal done yet
04:56is because they're still working on some things.
04:59They're still working on some things.
05:01You know what I mean?
05:02They have to be.
05:03Maybe Trey Murphy is about to be a Warrior.
05:05I don't know.
05:06I don't know.
05:07And then everything would change.
05:09That's the one thing
05:10I also want to say today
05:11about the Warriors' offseason.
05:14Right now,
05:15it's a tough sell.
05:16It's really,
05:18really difficult as a fan
05:19to get excited
05:19when they literally bring you
05:21nothing new.
05:23It's very difficult,
05:25but it's not over,
05:28and one move,
05:29I think,
05:30would change a lot of people's moods.
05:32888-957-957.
05:34We'll get to your calls in a second.
05:35Take a listen to Bill Simmons'
05:37Bill Simmons podcast
05:38via The Ringer.
05:39Who is the biggest loser
05:41of the LeBron saga?
05:42It's close.
05:42It's close,
05:43but I'm going to say
05:44the Golden State Warriors.
05:46That's who I had,
05:47number one.
05:48See,
05:48this is why.
05:49We wavelength.
05:50I mean,
05:51Steph Curry I had
05:52as my number one loser.
05:53It's Steph.
05:54It's his last chance
05:55for relevance,
05:55and it's gone.
05:56I wrote down,
05:57it is the saddest
05:58older NBA superstar situation
06:01since 2011,
06:03Nash on the Suns,
06:04and 2007,
06:05Garnett,
06:06before he got traded to Boston.
06:07Of just guys now
06:08in purgatory
06:10who clearly have more to offer,
06:11and it's not going to happen.
06:12There's a couple pieces to this.
06:15One is,
06:15why didn't they trade
06:16for Jalen Brown?
06:17They weren't interested in him.
06:19They weren't interested.
06:20They were like,
06:21they didn't even counter.
06:22And the irony is,
06:22if they do that,
06:23I think LeBron goes there.
06:25Why are you so desperate
06:26just to waste the end
06:28of the Steph era?
06:30You already did this.
06:31You held on to Wiseman
06:32and Kaminga too long.
06:33Do they just think
06:34maybe Steph can't be
06:35the best guy
06:37in a championship team anymore?
06:3822 can never happen again.
06:40So even stacking the deck,
06:41they have no chance
06:42against San Antonio
06:43in OKC.
06:44Isn't he entitled
06:44to find out?
06:45Well, he's never,
06:46the best thing about him
06:47is he's like Duncan.
06:48He's never going to
06:49bitch about this.
06:50Right.
06:51He's not.
06:51He's not going to be like,
06:52we'll do it on his behalf.
06:54We'll bitch on his behalf.
06:55I think it's outrageous.
06:56We saw it in the Olympics.
06:58Like this is somebody
06:59who should have
07:00more relevant basketball moments
07:01and it shouldn't be
07:02in a playing game.
07:03And I don't know
07:04what they're doing.
07:04Okay.
07:05There's a lot to chew on there.
07:07You're shaking your head.
07:08Yeah.
07:09He just,
07:09he's annoying.
07:11Oh.
07:12He's annoying.
07:13Yes.
07:13He's super annoying.
07:14Why is he annoying?
07:15He just annoys me.
07:17Okay.
07:17Well, that,
07:18I mean, yeah,
07:18some people,
07:19he's annoying.
07:20So the Olympics
07:21was two years ago.
07:22Yep.
07:23Okay.
07:23And that was a,
07:24what a 10 day competition.
07:26So we're going to compare that
07:27two years ago.
07:28You played,
07:29I don't know,
07:30six or seven games
07:31to an 82 game season
07:33two years later
07:33and playoffs.
07:34Okay, Bill.
07:36No,
07:37no, Bill.
07:37It's not,
07:38that's not a comp.
07:39Okay.
07:40That's not a comp at all.
07:41And,
07:42you know,
07:43all the rest of it,
07:43like the whole Jalen Brown
07:45conversation,
07:46I don't believe,
07:47and I'm pretty certain
07:49about this,
07:49that Boston was going
07:50to take back
07:51an injured Jimmy Butler,
07:52no matter how many picks
07:54you want to give them.
07:55And then they're just going
07:56to give you Jalen Brown.
07:57No,
07:57they got Paul George
07:58who you've mentioned before.
08:00I mean,
08:01he tends to be hurt sometimes,
08:02but he can play basketball
08:04on opening night.
08:05Jimmy can.
08:06Okay.
08:07Let's put it this way.
08:08I'm going to push back
08:09on his characterization
08:10that the Warriors
08:10weren't even interested.
08:12Maybe they weren't.
08:13I have no idea.
08:14I've seen tons of reports
08:16that are like,
08:17yeah,
08:17the Warriors didn't even engage
08:18on Jalen Brown.
08:19And then I see reports
08:20where it's like,
08:20yeah,
08:21Warriors called
08:21and Boston wasn't interested
08:23in Jimmy Butler.
08:24Maybe that's true.
08:26Would there be a way
08:27to get them interested in it?
08:29Of course.
08:30What,
08:30like,
08:31okay,
08:31it was Paul George
08:32and two picks.
08:33Is that right?
08:34That sounds right.
08:34You're telling me
08:35that if the Warriors
08:36made it four picks,
08:37Boston would have been like,
08:38no,
08:39no,
08:39no,
08:39we want Paul George
08:40because he's going to play
08:40a full season
08:41instead of half.
08:43No way.
08:43They probably would have asked
08:45for this year's pick,
08:46Yaxel Lendeborg,
08:47and at least two other picks,
08:49if not three picks,
08:51because I think that Boston
08:52wants people who can play basketball.
08:54Yeah,
08:55maybe.
08:55And should the Warriors
08:57have done that?
08:58Should the Warriors
08:59have upped that offer?
09:00But I mean,
09:00Bill Simmons sounds like
09:01he knows something.
09:02He referred to it as
09:03the Warriors didn't even counter.
09:05They didn't counter.
09:07Well,
09:07that means there was an offer
09:09and the Warriors
09:09just hung up the phone
09:10and left.
09:11I wonder what the offer was.
09:13Right.
09:13I wonder the same.
09:14That does not mean
09:15that the Celtics
09:17were not interested
09:18in Jimmy Butler.
09:19That means the Warriors
09:20said,
09:20if you want to do that,
09:22here's how you get it done.
09:23And the Warriors
09:24weren't interested
09:25in doing that.
09:26The Celtics got George
09:28and two firsts
09:29and two seconds.
09:31Okay.
09:31And the seconds
09:32or whatever.
09:32So I'm going to call that.
09:34Yeah.
09:34Two firsts
09:35and Paul George.
09:36Right.
09:36All right.
09:37But Bill Simmons
09:38is insinuating
09:39there was an offer.
09:40There was an offer
09:41made to the Warriors.
09:42Okay.
09:43Made an encounter.
09:45Right.
09:45And if the offer
09:46was exactly,
09:48it's probably
09:49what they wound up
09:50taking from Philly,
09:51but the addition
09:52would be Yaxel Lendeborg.
09:53And another one.
09:55Yaxel,
09:55two firsts,
09:56two seconds
09:57and we'll take
09:57Jimmy Butler.
09:58No.
09:59Yaxel and three firsts.
10:01And two seconds
10:02and Jimmy Butler.
10:04I mean,
10:04whatever.
10:05I'm just trying
10:05to make it
10:06a comp
10:06to what they
10:07actually accepted.
10:09And I mean,
10:10what would the counter be?
10:11The counter would be,
10:12we'll give you pods.
10:15We'll give you
10:16two picks
10:16and a pods.
10:17Oh,
10:17this is very good.
10:20No,
10:21it probably was about
10:21the picks.
10:22Right.
10:23Okay.
10:23You got to beat,
10:24you got to beat
10:26Philly's picks.
10:28So,
10:29if they gave him
10:30two ones,
10:31you got to give him
10:32three.
10:33Jimmy Butler
10:34and three ones.
10:35Forget the Yaxel part
10:35for a second.
10:36Would you have even
10:37done that?
10:38No.
10:39Jimmy Butler
10:39and three ones.
10:41No.
10:41Would I have
10:42as Boston
10:43or would I have
10:43as Golden State?
10:44Would you have
10:45as Golden State?
10:46No,
10:46I would not have
10:47because you're going
10:49to get to a point
10:49here very soon
10:50and,
10:51you know,
10:52as Joe Lacob
10:53famously said,
10:54we're not doing
10:54the lottery.
10:55Well,
10:56you are
10:56and you just did
10:57and you might
10:58on the regular here
10:59if Steph Curry
11:00is no longer
11:01Steph Curry
11:02and if you are
11:03a lottery team,
11:04you're going to want
11:05those lottery picks
11:06and so,
11:07personally,
11:08I would not do that
11:09especially when,
11:10you know,
11:11you still have Steph
11:12and so you have
11:13Jalen Brown
11:14and he's going
11:15to be making
11:15Steph money
11:16if not more
11:17and it becomes
11:18kind of limiting.
11:19Let's go to Morgan
11:19and Morgan Hill.
11:20Hi, Morgan.
11:21Thank you for calling.
11:21What's up?
11:24Hi, guys.
11:24You know,
11:25there's just been,
11:26you know,
11:27so much pessimism
11:28around the Warriors
11:29today,
11:30you know,
11:31with Bill Simmons
11:31and then driving in
11:32on my way to work
11:33on the morning roast,
11:35you know,
11:36callers super negative
11:37calling for Joe Lacob
11:39and Mike Dunleavy's heads,
11:41which is all
11:42just makes me cringe
11:44and,
11:45you know,
11:45like,
11:46I have full faith
11:47in this front office
11:48that they're doing
11:50everything they can
11:51to explore
11:53these different options
11:54to maximize
11:55Steph's window
11:56without throwing away
11:57the future,
11:58but so,
11:59but what I really
12:01wanted to say,
12:01though,
12:02is that I understand
12:03the disappointment
12:04around feeling
12:05like we didn't
12:06add anybody yet
12:07this offseason
12:09besides our draft picks,
12:11but I'm actually
12:12a little bit
12:13more optimistic
12:14than I sense
12:14from most
12:17and you guys
12:17because one thing
12:19is Jimmy Butler
12:21and Christoph Porzingis
12:22have never stepped foot
12:23on a court
12:25on the same team
12:25together yet,
12:26and so if you
12:27tell me that
12:28we have Steph Curry,
12:30Draymond Green,
12:31Christoph Porzingis,
12:32Jimmy Butler,
12:33and say whoever
12:33to fill out
12:34that fifth spot,
12:35I think that's
12:36an intriguing five
12:37and,
12:38of course,
12:39we have to,
12:40you know,
12:40health is always an issue.
12:41I'm assuming health
12:42and also,
12:43I think Jimmy Butler
12:45is good enough
12:46and high IQ enough
12:47and had enough
12:48excess athleticism
12:49to come back
12:50from this ACL
12:51with and still
12:53be effective,
12:54so I just don't,
12:56I haven't heard
12:56anybody talking about
12:57how,
12:57to me,
12:57it still feels
12:58like a new
12:59starting five
13:00with Christoph Porzingis
13:01and Jimmy Butler
13:02when he's healthy,
13:03so what do you guys
13:04think about that?
13:05Well,
13:05I think,
13:06Morgan,
13:06when you say
13:07I'm assuming health,
13:08we can already
13:09to a degree
13:09assume lack of health,
13:11at least for half
13:12the season,
13:13you know what I mean?
13:14And then,
13:15we know Rick Celebrini,
13:17we know what the Warriors
13:18do when somebody
13:19comes back
13:20that don't play
13:21all the games
13:21for a while,
13:23I mean,
13:24if I'm going to
13:25over-under this
13:26with you,
13:26here,
13:27stew on this
13:27for a second,
13:29over-under on
13:30Jimmy Butler games
13:31this year
13:31would be what?
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13:58What would you put?
14:00Over-under Jimmy games.
14:01What number
14:02does the chef wear?
14:0430.
14:05Yeah,
14:05I'd put it at 30.
14:07I'd put the over-under
14:08at 30 games,
14:09and I would have to
14:11juice the line
14:12to where the under,
14:13you'd have to
14:14pay a little extra
14:15to hit the under.
14:16He had surgery
14:17in early February,
14:19and he is 36.
14:20He's going to be 37,
14:22right?
14:23That's usually what
14:23comes after 36.
14:24I didn't know if he'd be
14:2537 after the year
14:26or when his birthday is,
14:28but I can look at it
14:29right now,
14:30but the greater point
14:30is that when you come
14:32back from an ACL,
14:34it's September's
14:35his birthday,
14:35so he'll be 37
14:36before the year
14:37even tips.
14:38And when you are
14:39that old,
14:40coming off of an ACL,
14:41you already mentioned
14:42the GOAT,
14:42Rick Celebrini,
14:43and how he rolls,
14:45which is conservative,
14:47rightfully so.
14:47If Jimmy comes back
14:49in 10 months,
14:50that would put him
14:51in December,
14:52and that,
14:54I think,
14:54is even an aggressive
14:55return to play.
14:56I think he won't play
14:57until right around
14:59the All-Star break,
15:00which is mid-February,
15:01which would leave you
15:02about 30 games
15:04left in the season,
15:05so he's not going
15:06to play all those.
15:07Nope.
15:07So I'd put it at 30,
15:09and the under
15:10is going to be
15:11minus 125.
15:12It's juiced
15:13to the under.
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