00:06Were you ever in charge?
00:14I did what I did.
00:19Something that I never wanted to do,
00:21but it got into my life and did it and got out and done deal.
00:30What does it take to be the boss?
00:35To be the boss, it means it takes a lot of leadership and smart thinking.
00:43Thinking before you do things.
00:46The way I run things back then, I was pretty controlled.
00:51Like, I wasn't this cold-blooded murderer,
00:55and thank God that I never murdered somebody in my life.
01:01But back in the days, I would have.
01:28My words and my actions were, like, tough.
01:33They were strong back then.
01:35Being in a drug business isn't easy.
01:38It's a tough life.
01:40It was cool.
01:42Why lie?
01:43It was good.
01:46But on the other hand,
01:48sometimes when you get law enforcement on your back,
01:52then you're probably thinking about changing the name.
01:55Then it's not so cool,
01:57because I don't respect you that much.
01:59And then it gets more complicated.
02:06It's a double life.
02:09You live in fear.
02:11Like, you never know what the day is going to end up.
02:15Are you going to get arrested?
02:17Are you going to get killed?
02:19Are you going to make it through the day?
02:21It's really hard to live like that.
02:25And that's why I think a lot of people lose so much control,
02:30because it's so much pressure.
02:32So much pressure on yourself,
02:34and start drinking, start using drugs,
02:38and you can handle it.
02:40We were not those kind of people that were going around,
02:43hurting people, destroying people's lives.
02:46We were more, like,
02:48taking it as a business and helping people out.
02:51I didn't push people around,
02:54but at the same time,
02:56I didn't let me push around either.
02:59Everybody wants a piece of you.
03:02So there's always people that want to take your spot,
03:06and, like, it's tough.
03:10And there was just one point.
03:16I just didn't want to take it anymore.
03:25We've had United States drug agents tell us
03:28that right now, today,
03:29your brother Enrique is in charge of the Mennonite Mafia.
03:33Is that true?
03:35No, it's not true.
03:38He's out of the game.
03:39Like, it's not true.
03:41It's different people running the show
03:44and trying to blame it always on somebody else.
03:49Like, that's what it is, being...
03:52being the harms.
04:05A documentary comes out,
04:07and they're telling all this about, like, father, like son.
04:11It was about my brother Enrique,
04:13and it was a tough one.
04:15Everybody was thinking it was my brother.
04:17But actually, it's not my brother.
04:21There's two different Enrique harms,
04:27which confuses a lot.
04:30Names in the Mennonite community
04:32are extraordinarily confusing,
04:34mostly because there's only about 10 last names.
04:38And for each sex, there's only about 10 male names.
04:41There's only about 10 female names.
04:44Well, what ends up happening is
04:46that there are many, many, many people with the same name.
04:50And so Enrique harms, I'm sure there's, like, 50.
05:03The original Enrique harms,
05:06he stepped out, he's out of the business,
05:10and then came another Enrique harms
05:12leveraging on his name
05:14several years after other cartel members,
05:19producers, traffickers,
05:21thinking that it was the oldest Enrique harms,
05:25which they respected a lot.
05:27The confusion is that
05:28they have the same first name,
05:30same second last name,
05:31which is Enrique harms.
05:33The OG was Enrique harms Peters,
05:35and then the guy next was Enrique harms Groening,
05:38which is two different families.
05:40But that generated a lot of confusion
05:43between who was this Enrique harms,
05:45because everyone thought it was,
05:47okay, the OG is back in business,
05:49and apparently he's back again
05:50in the trafficking industry.
05:52But his face was absolutely different.
05:55Enrique harms was, let's say,
05:57El Chapo for the Mennonites back then.
05:59It's a whole brand.
06:00Everybody knows El Chapo,
06:02so everybody knows how to make business
06:03with El Chapo, right?
06:04If someone comes on behalf of El Chapo,
06:07you'll have a lot of open doors.
06:09And they will lend you money.
06:11They will trust in you.
06:12They will know how to negotiate with you.
06:14So the harms organization,
06:16the Mennonite Mafia,
06:18it evolved,
06:18and it has evolved throughout the years,
06:20just like all the other cartels have evolved, right?
06:23At the time,
06:24the Juarez cartel had control
06:26of basically all of Chihuahua.
06:28Of course,
06:28they had to fall in with the Juarez cartel.
06:31There was a time
06:32when they actually fell in with the Salazaras,
06:34which was a faction of the Sinaloa cartel,
06:36when the Sinaloa cartel
06:37was starting to gain ground.
06:39But just like anything,
06:40you know, the power shifts,
06:41and so they're very smart
06:42in the way that they align themselves
06:44because they align themselves
06:45to whoever is going to have the power
06:47and is going to align their interests.
06:50The second Enrique Harms,
06:52the new Enrique Harms,
06:53he had to pick sides.
06:55And of course,
06:55he picked the Juarez cartel,
06:56La LÃnea side,
06:57because they were the main operators
06:59in Cuauhtémoc at the time.
07:00So he was working for them,
07:02with them,
07:03and not as an independent operator
07:06trafficking drugs.
07:07So his links to La LÃnea
07:09and to the Juarez cartel
07:10are strong links.
07:15Do you know Enrique Harms-Broning?
07:17Do you know who this is?
07:18I know who he is.
07:21Grew up in the same community.
07:22I know who he is,
07:24but both in the same business.
07:26And I believe my brother,
07:29by that time,
07:29he was out of the business.
07:31He was completely retired.
07:33And then it got so messed up,
07:37and it was such a nightmare
07:39for my brother
07:41that somebody else
07:42was exactly with the same name
07:44doing a lot of things.
07:48And everything
07:49came to fall on him.
07:52The Mennonite Mafia
07:53ever stopped?
07:57I don't think so.
08:21El Bolas showed up,
08:23and this was the head
08:24of the first time we heard
08:26the Mennonite cartel,
08:27and said,
08:28okay,
08:29this is what we're gonna do now.
08:30We're gonna organize.
08:32We're gonna work
08:33under the Juarez cartel,
08:35and you guys are gonna work
08:36for me
08:36and under my leadership.
08:38And every single other guy
08:40who was working
08:41or trying to work independently,
08:42he was brutally murder,
08:44threatened,
08:45and violence started picking up
08:46in Kultemuk
08:48under the leadership
08:49of El Bolas.
08:54El Bolas.
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