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00:00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:00:30How did he become so wealthy?
00:00:33How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles?
00:00:38How did he get away without being caught for so long?
00:00:49I never could have anticipated how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.
00:00:58There's something deeply fucked up with you.
00:01:01At least something.
00:01:02Well, we know there are things deeply fucked up with us.
00:01:05You will get through in this film, right?
00:01:06Where I come from, you don't kill my brother and look away from that.
00:01:12What are the Epstein files?
00:01:15The Epstein files are all the information that the government has regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators.
00:01:25Photographic evidence.
00:01:27Interviews of victims.
00:01:29Emails written to him.
00:01:30Text messages.
00:01:32Court documents.
00:01:33FBI reports and it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined.
00:01:41People want to see names.
00:01:43They want to know who the sex traffickers are.
00:01:45They want to know who the pedophiles are.
00:01:47And they want vengeance.
00:01:50Do you know the names of powerful people who have not yet been named publicly?
00:01:56Yes.
00:01:57Congressman Conor.
00:01:59Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.
00:02:02Why do you think it's a fight that has united a very divided political spectrum here?
00:02:07You can't rape underage girls.
00:02:09You can't cover that up.
00:02:11Trump opened up Pandora's box.
00:02:14He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it.
00:02:18But the curse is not going back into the box.
00:02:22I don't understand why the president fought it so hard.
00:02:25Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened.
00:02:33Why would he cover this up?
00:02:35I think he's protecting rich and powerful men who participated in sex trafficking.
00:02:41Three million pages.
00:02:44180,000 images.
00:02:46The latest dump from the Epstein files after weeks of political pressure.
00:02:51That moment created global shockwaves.
00:02:54A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.
00:02:57Norway's crown princess is facing intense scrutiny.
00:03:01Extraordinary news out of the UK.
00:03:03The former Prince Andrew has been arrested.
00:03:05The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story.
00:03:09You have to understand how the Epstein files fit into what Epstein was doing and the failures of the U
00:03:14.S. government and doing their job.
00:03:17The Epstein story has one man at its center.
00:03:21One spider in the center of the web.
00:03:24But that web could not have been constructed without complicity.
00:03:31Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:03:34No, but I do have a good mirror.
00:03:59We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
00:04:03Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy will be here on Capitol Hill.
00:04:08Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 24 of whom are now re-upping their demand that Congress release
00:04:15all of the Epstein files.
00:04:17It's an honor to stand here for something America is finally united on.
00:04:23The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
00:04:29There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they say other men.
00:04:37They've wanted justice, and they've fought very hard for it.
00:04:41We are more than victims.
00:04:43We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends, and we will not be erased.
00:04:48Some of these women have been at this 20 years.
00:04:52Some of them had, I believe, almost given up.
00:04:56But the fact that they were invited to the Capitol of the United States to speak truth to power,
00:05:02and that every media outlet, you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts.
00:05:11This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
00:05:17This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:05:21A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.
00:05:25My name is Dani Benski.
00:05:27This was me at 17 years old.
00:05:30So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other and saying to the world, like,
00:05:37there's more of us than you thought.
00:05:39My name is Marina Lacerda.
00:05:42I was Minor Victim 1.
00:05:43My name is Jenna Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years old.
00:05:47My name is Shantae Davies.
00:05:49My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
00:05:51My name is Haley Robson.
00:05:52My name is Anushka DiGiorgio.
00:05:53My name is Courtney White.
00:05:54My name is Lisa Phillips.
00:05:56My name is Ashley Rubright, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:06:05When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, you just have this bond with the other survivors.
00:06:13We understand each other like nobody else can.
00:06:21It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.
00:06:30It took an incredible outcry from the public, huge political will, and it took the blood, sweat, and tears of
00:06:38the survivors.
00:06:39And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here.
00:07:04So, we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:07:11And she's only just started speaking out publicly about what happened to her.
00:07:17I think we're this house here.
00:07:22Hi, Ashley.
00:07:23How are you?
00:07:24Good.
00:07:24How are you?
00:07:24It's nice to meet you.
00:07:25It's so nice to meet you.
00:07:26Thank you so much for having us.
00:07:28Of course.
00:07:29Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it?
00:07:31Yes.
00:07:37When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
00:07:41So, it was about 2002 to 2003, and I would have been about 15.
00:07:53I was going to Summit Christian School.
00:07:59I was a cheerleader.
00:08:01I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
00:08:06I was working at a barbecue restaurant, and one of my co-workers, he asked me one day in the
00:08:14restaurant
00:08:14if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.
00:08:21I thought about it for a second and said, sure.
00:08:31I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.
00:08:39And we were led into the kitchen.
00:08:45And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant, said it was time.
00:08:55And then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.
00:09:02I didn't look around.
00:09:03I was just looking down.
00:09:04So, all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase.
00:09:15She opened the door and said, all right, I'll be back in an hour.
00:09:23I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom.
00:09:31But then I calmed myself down, thinking, of course he's naked, because that's how people get massages.
00:09:38And I should just not be so shocked.
00:09:46He just kind of laid on the table, and then he told me how to massage him.
00:09:56Then he flipped over, and...
00:10:04Things got really way more inappropriate there.
00:10:10And he asked me to take off my bra, and to pull up my skirt.
00:10:22And...
00:10:26He was touching himself the whole time.
00:10:30I was just trying not to look.
00:10:33And...
00:10:34He would grab me, grab my behind, and...
00:10:42I was just trying to not be there, you know, at that time.
00:10:49And...
00:10:51He finished, and hopped up, and...
00:10:57Then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs.
00:11:03I felt shocked.
00:11:06And then I remember...
00:11:09Trying to rationalize it.
00:11:11That it had to have just been like a flip.
00:11:15A one-time thing that he just couldn't control.
00:11:22I did go back one more time.
00:11:25The second time, it escalated.
00:11:29I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a basket, and asking me to pick one, and asking me if I knew
00:11:36how to use it.
00:11:37And he had me sit on the bathroom floor, and he sat on the edge of the massage table.
00:11:45And I remember what happened.
00:11:48A basket of sex toys.
00:11:51Yes, thank you for saying that.
00:11:52Yeah, that's okay.
00:12:01So this was 2,000.
00:12:05And these are all just, like, happy messages.
00:12:10I read some of my yearbooks, and it was such a drastic change.
00:12:18Right after Jeffrey, the messages, even my face, everything had started to just look darker.
00:12:29This one says, we had fun when you're not so mad.
00:12:33Or you're sweet when you're not mad, yeah.
00:12:37I was angry, and I...
00:12:40I didn't care who got the brunt of it.
00:12:44At all.
00:12:45Yeah.
00:12:47I stopped cheerleading.
00:12:50I stopped dance.
00:12:53And I kind of went from, like, trying to do good to just not caring.
00:13:03Did you tell anyone what happened to you?
00:13:07Just my friend Sean.
00:13:09But nobody else.
00:13:13I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know?
00:13:24Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953?
00:13:30Yes.
00:13:31Where?
00:13:32New York.
00:13:34Where in New York?
00:13:35Brooklyn.
00:13:38Brooklyn.
00:13:49Hey, Adam.
00:13:50Hi, Grace.
00:13:51How are you?
00:13:51Pleasure to meet you.
00:13:52Nice to meet you, too.
00:13:53Thanks so much for doing this with us.
00:13:55My pleasure.
00:13:56My pleasure.
00:14:00Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself?
00:14:04Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now.
00:14:08And the Southern District of New York was my longtime beat.
00:14:12So you see a lot of cases of national and international significance going into that court.
00:14:20And one of them just happened to be Epstein's.
00:14:29We are in Coney Island, Coney Island, Brooklyn.
00:14:43We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
00:14:49And this is actually the Seagate community in the distance right there, Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.
00:15:02Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.
00:15:07His father worked at the New York City Parks Department.
00:15:10His mother worked at a school.
00:15:12And he had a younger brother, Mark.
00:15:16He had a lifelong fascination with math and, by all accounts, was pretty good at it.
00:15:26This is the Dalton Prep School.
00:15:31It is where he got his first job.
00:15:36Even though he was a college dropout, his first job was at a very prestigious school where he was a
00:15:43math teacher.
00:15:45One of the parents of a student introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, a man named Ace Greenberg,
00:15:52where he got his first job on Wall Street.
00:16:05We are on Wall Street, where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune.
00:16:14He was, by all accounts, very charming.
00:16:18Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, make connections with people with money and power.
00:16:25He was able to get people to trust him very quickly.
00:16:32He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, who gave him power of attorney.
00:16:38He won the trust of Leon Black, who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, far above the market rates.
00:16:48And from there, there is a lot of mystery, but we're getting a picture more and more of him finagling
00:16:58people, wheeling and dealing,
00:17:01and ultimately became fabulously wealthy.
00:17:05This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse, mansion, and the famous lantern over the door.
00:17:17He had a massage room in there.
00:17:21He had the dining room where he entertained.
00:17:26I mean, the photos really do tell the story.
00:17:33Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s.
00:17:39As the daughter of a media tycoon with a British accent, she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have.
00:17:45They had access to the elite.
00:17:52They socialized with politicians, with big names in academia, finance, you name it.
00:17:58Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew.
00:18:03Or whether it was former President Bill Clinton.
00:18:07He had his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, a ranch outside of Santa Fe, property in Palm
00:18:17Beach and in Paris.
00:18:22He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth.
00:18:36He was building me like you love me.
00:18:38I thought we...
00:18:42Okay, so now I'm walking towards the lily pond.
00:18:47I'm here on the beach by myself.
00:18:49C'est mon pool de swimming,
00:18:51mon beach.
00:18:53Je ne peux pas d'offrir ici.
00:18:56C'est un lunche place.
00:18:59C'est un nursery.
00:19:02Et là, c'est la bibliothèque.
00:19:09C'est un honneur de faire encore
00:19:11pour quelque chose que l'Amérique
00:19:12a finalement united sur.
00:19:15La sortie de l'unité de l'unité.
00:19:25So, these are just my modeling pictures.
00:19:27Like, when I started out...
00:19:30This is when I was 17.
00:19:32I would send these to
00:19:34modeling agencies to get started.
00:19:37I was a fashion model in New York.
00:19:39Had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old.
00:19:42So, this is
00:19:43from the actual week I met Jeffrey.
00:19:46The year
00:19:47C'était en 2000, et j'ai booké un grand job.
00:19:50Notre agent à l'époque, Jeff, nous a envoyé à Tortola
00:19:54sur la Caribbean.
00:19:59Tortola était une petite île.
00:20:01Il n'y avait pas beaucoup à faire là-bas.
00:20:03Donc, le autre modèle était, vous avez un jour à la fin de demain.
00:20:06Elle a suggéré que nous voulons voir son ami,
00:20:08vous savez, Jeffrey Epstein, qui s'aîné une île d'un.
00:20:12Oui, nous étions tous, comme, 22 ans.
00:20:16J'ai passé le jour, comme en l'eau, dans l'eau,
00:20:20et là, j'ai rencontré deux autres jeunes, blondes.
00:20:25J'ai rencontré une journée, j'ai rencontré Jeffrey Epstein.
00:20:29Il était en train de me faire des questions
00:20:32et en meant des questions de mon édition,
00:20:35et de mes rêves et aspirations.
00:20:38J'ai dit qu'à la fois que j'étais sur l'île,
00:20:41que j'ai voulu être un modèle de Ford.
00:20:43Et j'ai créé cette confiance avec cette femme.
00:20:49J'ai été prêt à dormir, il y a un choc à la porte,
00:20:51et une autre jeune fille pote sa tête en
00:20:54et m'a dit, «Jephry est prêt à faire un massage maintenant.
00:20:57Et je me suis dit, « Ok, allez-y, je vais aller. Je vais à la maison.
00:20:59Et elle m'a dit, « Non, il m'a dit, il m'a dit qu'il m'a fait
00:21:02pour vous.
00:21:02Je vais vous donner un massage.
00:21:05Long story short, like, I just had to go.
00:21:09Et donc, j'ai expérié, tu sais, sexual abuse
00:21:12que evening, um, de Jeffree et, uh,
00:21:16la autre fille qui était là.
00:21:40C'est parti.
00:21:40Je pense que quand vous êtes jeune,
00:21:41vous vous blamez vous.
00:21:43C'est, « Oh, je vais faire ça.
00:21:45C'est parti.
00:21:48C'est parti.
00:21:49C'est parti.
00:21:49Et un mois a passé, et il m'a dit.
00:21:52Il m'a dit.
00:21:55Il m'a dit.
00:21:56« OKC'est parti.
00:21:59D' nan, comment je t'avais vu dans moi» ?
00:22:01Il m'a dit ceema.
00:22:02C'est parti.
00:22:03Il m'a dit que, il m'a dit ce pass,
00:22:08je suis fanny en ligne.
00:22:10Voilà pour ça que je revois dans le Vital
00:22:22C'est bon, mais peut-être qu'il était en train de faire pour ça,
00:22:25vous savez, je me souviens de votre goal.
00:22:28Je peux vous aider.
00:22:31Pendant ce temps,
00:22:32vous avez été abusé par Epstein ou des hommes de l'orbit ?
00:22:39Oui, j'ai été abusé par lui de l'orbitre.
00:22:41Et c'est grâce à ses connections,
00:22:43il m'a envoyé d'auditions et des choses.
00:22:46Mais à l'époque, je ne savais pas que j'étais traffiquée.
00:22:51Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked?
00:22:56Well, auditions are castings by Epstein.
00:22:58So it's like, oh, let me just send you.
00:23:00My friend is casting a really big film right now
00:23:03and you're sent somewhere where all of a sudden
00:23:06your proposition for sex
00:23:08and the people around you are enforcing it.
00:23:14Just thought it was the business.
00:23:16Just thought I was going to a casting, an audition, working
00:23:19and that's kind of how some of the older men were,
00:23:21just creepy and I never connected it to a more nefarious ring
00:23:25that involved modeling agencies and Epstein.
00:23:30There were hundreds of girls
00:23:32from these Eastern European countries
00:23:34sent to Paris, sent to New York.
00:23:37You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models.
00:23:41It was like a well-oiled machine.
00:23:46Fast forward a few years later,
00:23:49I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world.
00:23:54She had came to me one evening
00:23:56and said that Jeffrey had made her go into a room
00:23:58made to go have sex with somebody.
00:24:01and so she at that time was scared.
00:24:05I became scared
00:24:06and we kind of both kind of moved out of New York at that time
00:24:09and I never saw him again after that
00:24:11because I was scared.
00:24:21Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally.
00:24:27However, Palm Beach was the center in many ways
00:24:31of the sexual abuse
00:24:32and where his crimes were originally investigated.
00:24:42Hey there.
00:24:44We're just driving around Palm Beach.
00:24:48Is there any way to get through or not?
00:24:50No, none.
00:24:50It's just closed.
00:24:51Yeah.
00:24:51Okay, all right.
00:24:52Just wanted to check.
00:24:53Why is it closed?
00:24:54Because Trump's in town.
00:25:03So I'm Holly Balz.
00:25:05I'm a retired investigations editor
00:25:09from the Palm Beach Post, just newly retired.
00:25:13We, as in the Post,
00:25:15covered Epstein from the very beginning.
00:25:21I never could have anticipated
00:25:24how big this case got to be.
00:25:29Palm Beach police first started investigating
00:25:32Jeffrey Epstein
00:25:33when the stepmother of a ninth grader
00:25:37at Royal Palm Beach High School reported
00:25:39that a wealthy man had molested her daughter
00:25:42in March of 2005.
00:25:45This is the east-west route
00:25:48that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School.
00:25:53You know, it wasn't just the one girl.
00:25:56Police found that a number of victims
00:26:00were recruited here.
00:26:04They started interviewing more girls
00:26:07and every time they did,
00:26:09it was like peeling back an onion.
00:26:11Why don't you tell me from the beginning
00:26:12and how you met him?
00:26:13It was something in high school.
00:26:15Everybody was, like, trying to make money.
00:26:17Did they get paid for taking you?
00:26:20Yeah.
00:26:21$200.
00:26:23Not only were the girls
00:26:25getting sexually abused themselves,
00:26:27but he also offered to pay them
00:26:29if they'd bring their friends.
00:26:32And these were girls
00:26:33who didn't have a lot of money.
00:26:34who didn't have a lot of money.
00:26:37During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation,
00:26:42many of the survivors
00:26:44started finding lawyers
00:26:45who were willing to bring their stories forward
00:26:48and file lawsuits.
00:26:51I first got involved in the Epstein matter
00:26:53back in about 2006.
00:26:56I was working at a litigation firm
00:26:59here in Palm Beach County
00:27:00and a young girl walked into our office
00:27:03with her parents
00:27:04and told a crazy story
00:27:07about a rich man on Palm Beach Island
00:27:09that had paid her about $200
00:27:10to go to the home
00:27:12and give him a massage
00:27:13that turned into a sexually explicit
00:27:15and inappropriate massage.
00:27:17Initially, I didn't quite believe her.
00:27:20To be perfectly honest,
00:27:21it sounded pretty incredible.
00:27:22But once I interviewed
00:27:24the police detective
00:27:25that was conducting the investigation,
00:27:27I realized that this was real.
00:27:30Michael Ryder was the chief of police
00:27:32back at the time.
00:27:33Joe Rattari was the lead investigator.
00:27:37You are Alfredo Rodriguez, correct?
00:27:40OK.
00:27:41You were like the houseman?
00:27:42You can say butler.
00:27:43The girls that come over to work for him.
00:27:45What can you tell me about that?
00:27:47He has a list of favorite female personnel
00:27:51to give him massage.
00:27:53So he get massage in the morning,
00:27:54massage in the afternoon.
00:27:55And besides that, they were very private.
00:27:58OK.
00:27:59And actually, it was my job
00:28:01to keep everything discreet.
00:28:03As police officers gathered the evidence,
00:28:07Epstein put together a huge team of,
00:28:12it was like a dream team.
00:28:14All really well-known attorneys
00:28:17and attorneys who were very aggressive.
00:28:23It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein
00:28:26and his legal team
00:28:27had some of the victims
00:28:28followed by blacked-out SUVs,
00:28:32showing up at their houses.
00:28:34But they were also investigating
00:28:36the lead investigator, Joe.
00:28:38And I asked to meet him.
00:28:41So he picked a Starbucks
00:28:42in downtown West Palm Beach.
00:28:44And when I sat down
00:28:44and I started talking to him,
00:28:46his head was on a swivel
00:28:47and he kept looking around.
00:28:48And I said,
00:28:49what are you doing?
00:28:51And I'll never forget,
00:28:52he looks at me and he says,
00:28:53you have no idea
00:28:56what they're doing to me.
00:28:57And they had been digging
00:28:58through his personal trash
00:29:00and he said to me,
00:29:01I've never seen
00:29:03this kind of an operation before.
00:29:12But the Palm Beach police,
00:29:14they were very dogged
00:29:15in pursuing Epstein.
00:29:17One of the police officers
00:29:18in Palm Beach County, Florida.
00:29:19They kept amassing victims.
00:29:29When the first criminal investigation
00:29:32of Jeffrey Epstein was going on,
00:29:35it had originally seemed
00:29:37like something that could sustain
00:29:39an indictment with dozens of counts
00:29:41that Palm Beach police were
00:29:43building a very strong case.
00:29:45in Palm Beach.
00:29:46But when the entire case
00:29:47was packaged up
00:29:49and given to the state attorney,
00:29:51the state attorney here
00:29:53in Palm Beach at the time
00:29:54decided not to file charges.
00:29:57Chief of police,
00:29:58Michael Ryder was so upset
00:30:00at the lack of prosecution
00:30:02on the state level
00:30:03that he elevated this
00:30:04to the federal level.
00:30:06The FBI was keen to prosecute
00:30:09in the beginning for sure.
00:30:12And they found very much similar
00:30:15things as Palm Beach police,
00:30:17but new victims.
00:30:18And what came of that
00:30:20was a draft indictment,
00:30:2260 counts.
00:30:24However, this giant case
00:30:27that Palm Beach police
00:30:28spent so much time investigating
00:30:30pleaded down to a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal
00:30:34after intense lobbying
00:30:35by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
00:30:38The charges
00:30:39that they ended up bringing
00:30:41were solicitation
00:30:42for prostitution of a minor.
00:30:44It's basically
00:30:45calling these victims prostitutes.
00:30:49The deal was approved
00:30:50by then-U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta
00:30:52and then kept secret
00:30:54from the victims.
00:30:55And I think that
00:30:57the sweetheart plea deal
00:30:59was in many ways
00:31:00the original sin of this.
00:31:03It was one of the most
00:31:05awful deals I've ever seen.
00:31:07There isn't a plea deal
00:31:08before or since
00:31:10that I've ever seen like this.
00:31:15It gave complete immunity
00:31:17to not just Epstein,
00:31:20but it included
00:31:21and not limited to
00:31:23potential co-conspirators
00:31:24Sarah Kellan,
00:31:26Adriana Ross,
00:31:27Leslie Graf
00:31:27and Nadia Marcinkova.
00:31:29And so these are some of the women
00:31:30who helped recruit other girls?
00:31:32Yeah.
00:31:33And the sexual pyramid scheme,
00:31:35these were the people
00:31:35that were really at the third level
00:31:37right below
00:31:38Glenn Maxwell.
00:31:42Jeffrey Epstein went to jail
00:31:43just before 10 this morning.
00:31:45He pleaded guilty in open court.
00:31:47He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
00:31:49in the Palm Beach detention facility.
00:31:53People who commit sex crimes
00:31:55against minors
00:31:56go to prison
00:31:57for a very long time.
00:31:59Not Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:01He was sentenced to 18 months
00:32:04in jail.
00:32:06He could get work release
00:32:08for 12 hours a day,
00:32:10six days a week.
00:32:12He wound up being in a cushy jail
00:32:15where he was the only person
00:32:18in that wing.
00:32:20He could go out,
00:32:21go to his office,
00:32:22take a walk on the beach,
00:32:23do whatever he wanted
00:32:25during the day.
00:32:26That's no kind of punishment.
00:32:29We had been litigating against Epstein
00:32:31on behalf of one of my clients.
00:32:34He was being allowed out during days.
00:32:37So we noticed Epstein for deposition.
00:32:41Could you please give us your name?
00:32:43Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:44So I wanted him to realize
00:32:46I didn't care who he was,
00:32:48what his power was,
00:32:49what his status was.
00:32:50I was going to ask him
00:32:50the most embarrassing possible
00:32:51thing I could.
00:32:53Is it true, sir,
00:32:54that you have what's been described
00:32:58as an egg-shaped penis?
00:33:03He hears me ask the question,
00:33:05watch him look at his lawyers like,
00:33:06can you believe he's asking me this?
00:33:08I'm going to give you
00:33:09the first lawyer, Mr. Kuhlund.
00:33:11I had been the first lawyer
00:33:12to ask him any questions
00:33:13in the cases
00:33:14that had been filed.
00:33:16One witness described
00:33:18your penis as oval-shaped,
00:33:20thin and small
00:33:21towards the head portion.
00:33:22See, he's angry.
00:33:23He's ready to walk out the door
00:33:24and then he sees
00:33:26that the attorneys are going to talk.
00:33:27That serves no other purpose
00:33:28other than embarrass Mr. Epstein.
00:33:30It's just totally unethical.
00:33:32It's improper.
00:33:33The purpose of that question
00:33:34is how could a 14-year-old
00:33:36know what his private part
00:33:37look like?
00:33:38That question was directly relevant
00:33:41to the claims in the case.
00:33:43The deposition is terminated
00:33:45at this point.
00:33:45OK.
00:33:46Thanks a lot.
00:33:46I appreciate it.
00:33:50What are you going to get to?
00:33:51Shortest deposition I've ever taken.
00:33:54Ever?
00:33:55Ever.
00:33:55Wow.
00:33:56So he probably is feeling
00:33:57pretty confident at this point
00:33:59that he's gotten away with this.
00:34:00Pretty much, yeah.
00:34:01I mean, he had done his deal
00:34:02and now he was just getting
00:34:03through the civil cases
00:34:04thinking that it was all over
00:34:06and all done.
00:34:10So, Sarah and Nadia,
00:34:11you guys have a little time.
00:34:12You can see I have a little sore
00:34:14on my face that I got
00:34:15from some black guy
00:34:15trying to kiss me.
00:34:17I'll talk to you guys later.
00:34:19OK.
00:34:21A few steps, a smile,
00:34:23and a wave to the deputy
00:34:25at the door.
00:34:26We watched Jeffrey Epstein
00:34:27walk out of jail.
00:34:29Epstein served 13 months
00:34:30of an 18-month sentence.
00:34:33He's very happy
00:34:34that his jail sentence is over
00:34:35and he can begin a new chapter
00:34:37in his life.
00:34:39When Jeffrey Epstein
00:34:40got out of jail,
00:34:41the fact that he was prosecuted,
00:34:43the fact that he was
00:34:44a registered sex offender,
00:34:46didn't seem to stand in the way
00:34:48of his re-entry
00:34:50into high society,
00:34:52wealth, and power.
00:34:56The power and influence he had
00:34:58convinced a lot of people
00:35:00to look the other way.
00:35:02Prince Andrew
00:35:03looked the other way.
00:35:06We also saw Bill Gates
00:35:08meeting with Epstein
00:35:10despite his past.
00:35:12He was some sort
00:35:13of soothsayer, apparently,
00:35:15to a lot of these men
00:35:17that were asking him
00:35:17for advice.
00:35:19I think that a lot of people
00:35:21probably knew that everything
00:35:23was not on the up-and-up,
00:35:24but for whatever reason,
00:35:25they wanted to be a part
00:35:27of his inner circle.
00:35:30I had a reporter
00:35:31who was covering Epstein
00:35:34every step of the way.
00:35:37It was difficult
00:35:39to get people
00:35:40to pay attention.
00:35:42They felt like he had
00:35:43served his time,
00:35:45and there you go.
00:35:47Epstein's conviction
00:35:48wasn't even a speed bump.
00:35:53I've been researching
00:35:54and writing about
00:35:55channel traffic since
00:35:562002, 2003,
00:35:57and I had this intuition
00:36:00that Jeffrey Epstein
00:36:01was very similar
00:36:02to the network
00:36:02that I'd investigated.
00:36:03And I just felt
00:36:05that something
00:36:06was seriously wrong.
00:36:08So in 2012,
00:36:10I went down to Florida,
00:36:13and I had the good fortune
00:36:15of getting the Black Book.
00:36:20The Black Book is just a list
00:36:22of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
00:36:26It has billionaires,
00:36:29some people in showbiz,
00:36:31captains of industry,
00:36:35and multiple girls
00:36:37were in the Black Book.
00:36:42I started talking
00:36:43to some of the girls,
00:36:44and they told me
00:36:46that they'd been flown here
00:36:47or flown there,
00:36:49and then one told me
00:36:50that she'd been flown
00:36:51onto an island.
00:36:53So in 2012,
00:36:55I believe Jeffrey Epstein
00:36:57was running a network,
00:36:59and I also had
00:36:59the flight logs.
00:37:01So were these the flight logs
00:37:03just for his private plane then?
00:37:05Yes.
00:37:06Bill Clinton,
00:37:07Alan Dershowitz,
00:37:09Kevin Spacey,
00:37:10Larry Summers.
00:37:11I mean,
00:37:12there were a number
00:37:12of very powerful people
00:37:13that were flying
00:37:14with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:16and there were a number
00:37:18of girls
00:37:19on the flight logs,
00:37:21and I assumed
00:37:22that some of them
00:37:23were minors.
00:37:30I worked on getting
00:37:32that story published
00:37:33for three years,
00:37:33and finally Gawker
00:37:35stepped up
00:37:36and published my work.
00:37:41The mainstream media
00:37:42just didn't want to embrace it.
00:37:48after that point,
00:37:50we would get
00:37:50glimpses of information.
00:37:54Virginia Giuffre,
00:37:55one of the Epstein survivors
00:37:57from Palm Beach,
00:37:58had moved to Australia
00:38:00after escaping
00:38:01Jeffrey Epstein.
00:38:02She claimed
00:38:03that she was trafficked
00:38:05to then Prince Andrew
00:38:07when she was a minor.
00:38:08She was 17 at the time.
00:38:10Can you tell me
00:38:11about the photo
00:38:12that she provided
00:38:13to a newspaper in 2011?
00:38:17Virginia Giuffre
00:38:18had produced
00:38:19a now infamous photograph
00:38:21of her,
00:38:22then Prince Andrew,
00:38:24and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:38:27Andrew claimed
00:38:28that it was a fake
00:38:29and denied criminal wrongdoing.
00:38:33The thing about Virginia
00:38:35is she'd been with Epstein
00:38:36for a couple of years,
00:38:38and he had taken her
00:38:39every place,
00:38:40so she was pretty knowledgeable
00:38:42about his network.
00:38:44And she was launching
00:38:46civil suits,
00:38:47and she had named
00:38:48Jeffrey Epstein
00:38:49and Ghislaine Maxwell
00:38:51as perpetrators
00:38:52who trafficked her
00:38:53to his rich
00:38:54and powerful cronies.
00:38:57But she wasn't being
00:38:59taken seriously
00:39:00by the media.
00:39:04Jeffrey Epstein
00:39:05very aggressively
00:39:07bullied media organizations
00:39:09that tried to look
00:39:10under that rock.
00:39:14Things remained
00:39:15kind of dormant
00:39:16for a number of years
00:39:18until another story
00:39:20came out of
00:39:20the Miami Herald
00:39:21and a reporter
00:39:22that went back
00:39:23and looked at some of the deals
00:39:24that were struck
00:39:25with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:39:28Julie Brown,
00:39:29her reporting
00:39:30really opened up
00:39:31the case.
00:39:32Yeah.
00:39:33One second.
00:39:35Oh, you're calling Julie?
00:39:37Good morning.
00:39:38Good morning.
00:39:39Good morning.
00:39:39How are you?
00:39:39I'm wonderful.
00:39:41I have a very pleasant
00:39:43Australian reporter
00:39:44here in my office
00:39:46that would like
00:39:47to chat with you
00:39:50if you could give her time.
00:39:51Hang on.
00:39:52Hi, Julie.
00:39:53You know,
00:39:54I've been contacted
00:39:55by a lot of people.
00:39:56Yeah, I can imagine.
00:39:57Keep it straight, but...
00:39:58Yeah.
00:39:59Well, yeah,
00:40:00give me a call,
00:40:00but this week
00:40:01is not a good week,
00:40:02so we can talk about it.
00:40:04Okay.
00:40:05later.
00:40:06Yeah, sure.
00:40:20Hey, Julie.
00:40:21I'm so glad
00:40:22we could make this happen.
00:40:23Yes.
00:40:26Persistence pays off, right?
00:40:27Yep.
00:40:27It is okay,
00:40:28especially since you were willing
00:40:29to come all the way
00:40:30to Philadelphia.
00:40:30I thought, oh, my God,
00:40:31this girl's never gonna give up.
00:40:32I might as well just get it over with.
00:40:36Tell me how you came
00:40:38to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
00:40:40Well, I started investigating it
00:40:41right before the election in 2016.
00:40:46Most journalists in America knew, you know,
00:40:49something about the Jeffrey Epstein case,
00:40:52especially Epstein's sweetheart deal,
00:40:54very lenient plea deal.
00:40:56And there was a lot of stories
00:40:58about how did he get this deal?
00:41:00This doesn't make any sense.
00:41:02But nothing that I could find
00:41:04really showed me
00:41:05how he got away with this crime.
00:41:07And so I just started requesting the records,
00:41:11not knowing where it was going to lead me.
00:41:13Somehow I got a list of almost 100 victims.
00:41:17In the end, I had like four victims
00:41:20that were willing to go and talk.
00:41:23And in the middle of when I was doing that,
00:41:25Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be Labor Secretary.
00:41:30I want to thank President Trump
00:41:32for the privilege of serving.
00:41:34Acosta was the U.S. Attorney in Miami
00:41:37that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
00:41:42So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims
00:41:47and ask them, you know,
00:41:49what they think about the man
00:41:51that let their predator off the hook,
00:41:54who is now, by the way, in charge
00:41:55of one of the largest government agencies
00:41:57in the country,
00:41:59with oversight of human trafficking.
00:42:03It was a high-pressure story
00:42:05because it involved a lot of important people.
00:42:07It was going to be put online very early in the morning.
00:42:12So we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say.
00:42:15And at the time, that morning,
00:42:17there was a funny story
00:42:19that was at the top of our leaderboard.
00:42:21My story was at the very bottom.
00:42:22And so I packed everything up.
00:42:24I thought, that's it for the day.
00:42:26You know, I'm going to take the day off.
00:42:29And I was getting all ready,
00:42:30and another reporter said to me,
00:42:32Julie, look at this story.
00:42:33And it was going boom, boom, boom.
00:42:36We are going to begin with a much closer look
00:42:39at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:42:42Joining me this morning is Julie Brown
00:42:43of the Miami Herald.
00:42:44Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald...
00:42:47Julie Brown, let me ask you,
00:42:48set the scene for us.
00:42:51This story uncovered this underbelly of society
00:42:55of the rich and powerful
00:42:56and what they were doing to people
00:42:59who were less powerful.
00:43:00The Miami Herald series drops in November 2018.
00:43:08It had such an impact that by July of the following year,
00:43:14Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex trafficking.
00:43:20Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking
00:43:24of young girls.
00:43:26And agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion all morning.
00:43:30Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment.
00:43:32First, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking.
00:43:35And second, sex trafficking of underage girls.
00:43:38Beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005
00:43:41at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida.
00:43:46I'm not going into any dealings with the main justice.
00:43:50I will say that we were assisted
00:43:51from some excellent investigative journalism.
00:43:56I just got a call from the news desk saying
00:43:58we just got something over the wire
00:44:00that said that Epstein's been arrested.
00:44:02It was like, oh, you know, it was incredible.
00:44:04I was just, I couldn't believe it.
00:44:09Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.
00:44:11Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today.
00:44:14Sure.
00:44:15When your brother was arrested.
00:44:17Can you tell me what that was like, that moment?
00:44:20Jeffrey gets arrested.
00:44:21You know, he spoke the night before.
00:44:25He called me from Paris.
00:44:27Mr. Normal, you know, what's new?
00:44:28How you doing? Call him.
00:44:29And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested.
00:44:34I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day.
00:44:40He looked like such a small man, you know,
00:44:44small, frail, you know, human being.
00:44:49Just looked lost, quite frankly.
00:44:52I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested.
00:44:55Now, yesterday we were there in court.
00:44:57His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal
00:44:59with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes,
00:45:02granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge.
00:45:06The U.S. attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta.
00:45:11At that point, the media started, in Washington,
00:45:14asking Trump what's going to happen with Alexander Acosta.
00:45:19Good afternoon.
00:45:20I remember that Acosta did have a press conference.
00:45:24We believe that we proceeded appropriately.
00:45:29There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered.
00:45:35Thank you very much.
00:45:37Thank you.
00:45:39And I just remember listening to him thinking,
00:45:43these are all excuses.
00:45:45They don't work anymore.
00:45:48And apparently it didn't work because he then, you know, resigned.
00:45:54And so I called the president this morning.
00:45:57I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside.
00:46:01Thank you.
00:46:02Finally, it seemed like the government was actually taking this seriously
00:46:05by charging Epstein with serious crimes, sex trafficking.
00:46:10And after that, other victims started to realize,
00:46:13I'm not alone.
00:46:17When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy that there was a second chance
00:46:23for possibly some actual justice.
00:46:25Because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice or him being held accountable.
00:46:31And at that point, I reached out to the FBI and I was like,
00:46:39here's another one of us, you know.
00:46:41And I want to be a part of bringing him down.
00:47:00Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the rather notorious prison,
00:47:05where people await trial on serious offenses in the Southern District of New York.
00:47:12The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan
00:47:15is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:47:21The conditions were filthy.
00:47:23Rodents, cockroaches, all over the place.
00:47:26I agreed to represent him and I met with him.
00:47:31But just before that, there was this incident in which there was a suggestion
00:47:35that he tried to commit suicide.
00:47:38The multimillionaire and convicted sex offender is now on suicide watch
00:47:42after he was found injured in his jail cell.
00:47:46I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st for about five or six hours.
00:47:51He denied that he had tried to commit suicide.
00:47:54The story that he told about what had happened was that the cellmate he had
00:47:58forced him to put a rope around his neck something and pulled it,
00:48:02just to see the reaction Epstein would have.
00:48:06But he told the correctional officers that he couldn't remember what had happened
00:48:10because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble that he would have trouble himself.
00:48:16How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back?
00:48:19Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail,
00:48:24but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case
00:48:26and he was energized by our meeting.
00:48:28I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, for example,
00:48:31on the agreement that he had made that he felt would have barred his prosecution.
00:48:37But nine days later...
00:48:38last thing I would have imagined at the time happened.
00:48:44NBC News has learned that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
00:48:49Sources telling ABC News that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
00:48:55It appeared that he had hung himself.
00:48:58We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch.
00:49:02It was astonishing.
00:49:06This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes.
00:49:10The world's attention is on this.
00:49:13How is this man allowed to turn up dead?
00:49:24And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent
00:49:28suicide.
00:49:30At first, I had no reason to doubt it because, you know, he was in jail.
00:49:34He was facing a long time in jail potentially and I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in
00:49:39jail.
00:49:40So, I had no reason to doubt it and I accepted that he committed suicide.
00:49:45The next day, I had to come back to New York to identify his body.
00:49:48As a family member, I had the right to have my own pathologist at the autopsy, you know, just to
00:49:53see everything that's done right.
00:49:54I spoke to his brother.
00:49:57I insisted that the person I consider to be the top forensic pathologist in the world participate in an independent
00:50:03autopsy.
00:50:05So, his name is Michael Bodden.
00:50:07I was a medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years and had more than 20,000
00:50:16autopsies.
00:50:18In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy that was going to be done the next day.
00:50:27The history was that he was found having committed suicide by hanging in his jail cell.
00:50:35When looking at the body, there was a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow around the neck was
00:50:43horizontal.
00:50:45In a suicidal hanging, the ligature mark is usually up the high part of the neck and goes upwards.
00:50:53And then the moment of surprise, there were three fractures.
00:50:59Two of the thyroid cartilage, which is the Adam's apple, and one of the hyoid bone.
00:51:07In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that.
00:51:11That's much more common, a crushing injury in the homicidal strangulation.
00:51:18So, I think at that point, there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not.
00:51:26So, the medical examiner of New York City who conducted it, she said that it was inconclusive.
00:51:32She couldn't say it was suicide.
00:51:37But then her boss, three or four days later, changed it to suicide.
00:51:46And then, okay, now all kinds of questions start coming up, and the wheels start turning.
00:51:54Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner, and she was not at the autopsy.
00:52:00And so, she comes up with the conclusion of the suicide based on what?
00:52:03Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning whether his death was a suicide, saying they
00:52:09will even pursue, quote, legal action to view the pivotal videos, if they exist as they should,
00:52:15of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's cell.
00:52:18And it turned out, somehow, magically, the cameras malfunctioned that day,
00:52:23or it was in a place where the camera didn't reach.
00:52:27So, this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down.
00:52:30This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now.
00:52:33You're talking about August 9th at almost eight o'clock in the evening.
00:52:38August 10th is when he was dead.
00:52:40Do you think it's suspicious that there's only this one camera angle available?
00:52:45That that's the only image?
00:52:47If that's accurate, then yes, I do think it's suspicious.
00:52:50And you might say coincidental that cameras are malfunctioning, you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable.
00:52:58There were so many anomalies that night.
00:53:01His cellmate had been taken out.
00:53:03The guards were sleeping.
00:53:06The cameras were down.
00:53:08All of these mysterious things fueled a lot of conspiracy theories.
00:53:12There's just no way you can hang yourself off of a bunk bed at that height.
00:53:16I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
00:53:18And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, and he got murdered in it.
00:53:22Who has the power to do that?
00:53:27I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years.
00:53:31When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death,
00:53:35half the country thought it was a conspiracy.
00:53:37That he was killed by people who were trying to cover up their involvement with him.
00:53:43And you don't normally get conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in.
00:53:51Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory.
00:53:52But the fact that he wanted to fight this case until the day before he died says to me that
00:53:58it's unlikely he committed suicide.
00:54:02I believe he was murdered.
00:54:04And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, they could figure out when it
00:54:09actually took place.
00:54:12Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide?
00:54:15No, no, I just don't believe it.
00:54:19Um, no.
00:54:22He had only been there for a month.
00:54:26I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel.
00:54:31From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, no, I don't think he killed himself.
00:54:36It's dumb.
00:54:37And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it.
00:54:40He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time.
00:54:44Very damaging documents in the case came out two days before he changed his will.
00:54:51A lot of people think he might have been killed.
00:54:54Others think he killed himself.
00:54:56I really think he decided to take his life.
00:54:59That was the last bit of control that he had.
00:55:04When I heard about that, I just, I was heartbroken for these girls.
00:55:13A federal judge has officially dismissed the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein.
00:55:19They have never gotten justice and, you know, they didn't deserve this.
00:55:28I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died.
00:55:32Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me, but he was also my abuser.
00:55:36Um, so it was a very confusing time for me and I wanted to know answers about my life.
00:55:40So I reached out at that time to other survivors and called Virginia.
00:55:46I had my first conversation with her.
00:55:49There's just something that she had in her that I looked up to and I really thought was very brave.
00:56:03We are here in Loxahatchee Grows, which is a rural part of Palm Beach County in which Virginia Roberts Jeffrey
00:56:12grew up.
00:56:15And I was very, very, very, very, very brave.
00:56:15Not terribly affluent.
00:56:19I was recruited at a very young age from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't
00:56:25understand.
00:56:26And I've been fighting that very world to this day and I won't stop fighting.
00:56:30I will never be silenced.
00:56:32And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club.
00:56:39Virginia Dufresne was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages.
00:56:49Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse and to come to Epstein's house.
00:56:56And that was where she suffered the first abuse.
00:57:01Do you know Virginia Roberts?
00:57:04So she's, again, who?
00:57:06Virginia Roberts.
00:57:08Can you spell it?
00:57:11Common spelling.
00:57:12Can you spell it for me, please?
00:57:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
00:57:17And just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled in your flight logs
00:57:22from your airplane.
00:57:27Virginia Roberts Giuffre was instrumental in this story coming forward.
00:57:31She is the reason, to a very large extent, that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were even prosecuted because of
00:57:39the trail of the public record that she left in her civil lawsuits.
00:57:46Virginia Giuffre was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein.
00:57:51You know, she named names of other people, such as Prince Andrew.
00:57:56Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the prince for years now laid bare on primetime TV.
00:58:04Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleges Prince Andrew first sexually abused her at Ms. Maxwell's London home.
00:58:11And Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, you're gonna meet a prince today.
00:58:15I didn't know at that point that I was going to be trafficked to that prince.
00:58:21And Ghislaine said, he's coming back to the house.
00:58:24And I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein.
00:58:28One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.
00:58:40It's been six years now since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew.
00:58:46Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now?
00:58:50In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier.
00:58:53You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, a public record, in case
00:59:00it was ever useful.
00:59:04He was in the room when I arrived. He looked ready for it.
00:59:09He looked like a man who had waited a long time to kind of get it off his chest, frankly.
00:59:16There is no good time to talk about, um, Mr. Epstein.
00:59:22My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon in terms of killing the story dead.
00:59:29She says she met you in 2001 and she went on to have sex with you in a house in
00:59:37Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:59:40Didn't happen.
00:59:41Do you remember her?
00:59:44No.
00:59:45He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo.
00:59:47We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on her, uh, whatever it is, left, left
00:59:55side.
00:59:56He'd worked out his, um, alibi.
01:00:00I'd taken Beatrice to, uh, a Pizza Express in Woking.
01:00:06His team had thought it had gone pretty well.
01:00:09Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash after a widely criticized television interview.
01:00:14One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse.
01:00:18Four days after Newsnight broadcast its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement.
01:00:23I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from public duties for the foreseeable future and she has
01:00:30given her permission.
01:00:31The interview that he gave the BBC, that was beyond disingenuous.
01:00:39He started his slow decline to ultimately being stripped of his princehood.
01:00:46And I think that that was the beginning of the end.
01:00:51It's, it's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar.
01:00:57No matter how much I go through therapy, I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me. Ever.
01:01:08Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to the downfall of the other person in that photograph, Ghislaine Maxwell.
01:01:16In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison for sex trafficking and other crimes.
01:01:26But there was a growing public outrage that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal.
01:01:34People were asking, what about the men?
01:01:38No one had brought charges and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations.
01:01:48When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes start spilling over into the territory of the public really wanting to
01:01:58see the files?
01:01:59Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that.
01:02:06Then he got to be embroiled in it himself.
01:02:12Donald Trump's name is all over these files.
01:02:15Flight logs show Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware.
01:02:24have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
01:02:28What do you mean by personal relationships?
01:02:30Have you socialized with him?
01:02:33Yes, sir.
01:02:34Yes?
01:02:35Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
01:02:47Though I'd like to answer that question at least today, I'm going to have to assert my 5th, 6th and
01:02:5414th Amendment rights, sir.
01:02:58It's indisputable that Trump had a long-term friendship with Epstein.
01:03:03He told the world about it.
01:03:04I still think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy.
01:03:07Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.
01:03:11I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him.
01:03:12He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
01:03:14There was the infamous interview where he called Epstein a great guy, likes women on the younger side.
01:03:23Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 has a drawing of a nude female figure with Trump's name on it.
01:03:33He denies that it's his signature. We have multiple handwriting experts saying that it is.
01:03:40I don't do drawings. I'm not a drawing person.
01:03:43The fact that he had such a long personal friendship with Epstein raises questions about what he knew about Epstein's
01:03:53behavior.
01:03:54I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him for 15
01:03:57years. I wasn't a fan.
01:04:00When do you think it was that the Epstein files actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump?
01:04:06I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again.
01:04:12We are going to drain the swamp and we're going to do it once and for all.
01:04:16Prior to his reelection, he had been asked point blank, would you support releasing the files?
01:04:22Would you declassify the Epstein files?
01:04:24Yeah. Yeah, I would.
01:04:26And many of the people around him, they said yes.
01:04:30Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That is an important thing.
01:04:34How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, but no one on Epstein's list has even
01:04:41been brought to light?
01:04:42So this was a campaign promise that they had made to their supporters.
01:04:47Ghislaine, look into her father, Robert Maxwell.
01:04:50Yeah.
01:04:51All the answers are right there.
01:04:52Because he was a spy.
01:04:53Trump built a coalition of followers who are very conspiratorial in their worldviews and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists.
01:05:03You don't know that she's 16 and she takes you in a room and that room is filled with cameras.
01:05:08Blackmail.
01:05:09Yeah.
01:05:09Yeah.
01:05:10So there were fantasies about massive sex trafficking rings, views about blackmail rings and that Epstein was controlling all sorts
01:05:19of rich and powerful people.
01:05:20I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes.
01:05:23And who do you think he was working for?
01:05:24The Israelis.
01:05:25Trump cozied up to QAnon and it created a lore around him that he was bringing down these evil, powerful
01:05:33people because the establishment was entirely corrupt and he was the outsider who was going to come in and drain
01:05:40the swamp.
01:05:48So early in Trump's second term, he appoints Pam Bondi as attorney general and she runs with the Epstein story
01:05:57almost immediately.
01:05:58This is something Donald Trump has talked about.
01:06:01The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
01:06:05In February of 2025, Bondi goes out and says that she has the Epstein files and the client list on
01:06:15her desk.
01:06:16It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump.
01:06:22Then there's a 180 degree reversal.
01:06:26There's the release of the July memo from the FBI and the Department of Justice and the July memo says
01:06:33an extraordinary thing.
01:06:34It says that there are more than a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse and then says there's nothing to
01:06:42investigate.
01:06:43There's nothing to release. Turn the other way.
01:06:47There was, quote, no client list or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures, according to a memo detailing the findings.
01:06:55The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility.
01:07:01That memo just sent shockwaves throughout the American ether, especially with the MAGA base, who was so invested.
01:07:09All those videos are saying, yeah, she's seen the videos. It's all coming out. And then now it doesn't exist.
01:07:13I mean, what? What?
01:07:14Joe, I'm going to check the tweet that Elon just put out.
01:07:17Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That's the real reason they have
01:07:23not been made public.
01:07:23The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash within President Trump's base, you link conspiracy theories that more details exist but
01:07:31are being hidden from the public.
01:07:33I'm not going to play with these anymore. MAGA hats are off.
01:07:44Burn, baby, burn.
01:07:46And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA.
01:07:50I think the president always felt like he could control his MAGA base, but it's the influencers who have also
01:07:56really kept this story alive and have been very critical of him.
01:08:00We voted for Trump because we wanted justice and justice involves actually holding accountable the people who committed that wrongdoing.
01:08:07I can't reconcile this Donald Trump with the Trump that I voted for across multiple elections. The Epstein scandal is
01:08:14definitely terminal cancer to Trump's MAGA movement. There's no question about that.
01:08:18It just continued and continued. And the president himself kept calling it a hoax.
01:08:24Well, I haven't been overly interested in it. You know, it's something, it's a hoax that's been built up way
01:08:29beyond proportion.
01:08:30I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats.
01:08:32When you call something a hoax and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence out there that
01:08:37it's not a hoax, it makes them only want to know more about it.
01:08:40The president writing on social media, my past supporters have bought into the BS hook, line and sinker. Let these
01:08:47weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work because I don't want their support anymore.
01:08:52Some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net. I call it the Epstein hoax.
01:09:01Come on in. Hi, Marjorie. Yes, hello. Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too.
01:09:08Grab a seat under this big ball light.
01:09:11Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it? Oh my gosh, yeah.
01:09:15Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust in President Trump now because of the Epstein
01:09:22files?
01:09:23Many of them, yes. It was a line in the sand for them. They couldn't understand it the same way
01:09:28I couldn't understand it. Why would he cover this up?
01:09:31And that was, um, that was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump.
01:09:46I'm Rick Fraser and I'm, I presently live in St. Mary's, Ohio.
01:09:51It is good.
01:09:52Mmm. Strong.
01:09:55I'm a front row Joe and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time to one of his rallies.
01:10:01It's very quick, but it's brutal.
01:10:04I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected.
01:10:08But being honest with you, it pisses me off that, if I can use that language, that on one hand,
01:10:16we were promised by the President that this is going to happen.
01:10:20Then on the other hand, he turns around and it didn't happen. I can't see why he, who he's protecting
01:10:28me.
01:10:29I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved.
01:10:32You can be in pictures with anyone, but until we got transparency, how do we know?
01:10:44There is new pressure on the Trump administration from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case.
01:10:50Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own Republican Congressman Thomas Massey.
01:11:05When did you first start becoming concerned about what's now known as the Epstein files?
01:11:11So it started a couple years ago for me, and it really came to the forefront when President Trump and
01:11:19people in his cabinet promised that they were going to release these files.
01:11:23But none of them followed through on their promise, which became suspicious to me.
01:11:29My Democrat colleague, Ro Khanna from California, cares about the victims.
01:11:35And so I reached out to him and said, Ro, if I do a discharge petition, do you think you
01:11:44could get every single Democrat to sign it?
01:11:48And he did deliver on that promise.
01:11:52Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massey are leading a bipartisan push in the House for the release of the
01:11:58Epstein files.
01:11:59People feel that the rich and the powerful have been not held accountable, that they have a different set of
01:12:05rules and that there may be government officials involved.
01:12:09Thomas Massey just filed a discharge petition to force this vote on releasing the files.
01:12:15That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson has really been trying to avoid.
01:12:19The White House has warned Republicans not to side with Massey.
01:12:23Even the White House official telling reporters last night that this would be viewed as an act of hostility.
01:12:33Well, I have a 98 percent voting record with the president, was one of his most loyal defenders.
01:12:41Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come.
01:12:46Thank you, Mr. President.
01:12:47All right, Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024.
01:12:51He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massey and signing on the discharge petition.
01:12:58To me, it was a matter of right and wrong and standing up for these women.
01:13:02The greatest president in United States history, Donald J. Trump. Right, Georgia?
01:13:11Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's the female version of Donald Trump, as she was full-blood MAGA.
01:13:16So for her to be one of the people to stand up against him is very significant in American politics.
01:13:24He was losing control of the situation.
01:13:29When you signed that discharge petition, afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump.
01:13:36He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew. What people?
01:13:41I don't know. I still don't know that to this day.
01:13:44But the way he treated me and the names that he called me sent death threats upon me and then
01:13:50my children.
01:13:58This is my fifth year in Congress and this is the largest press conference that I've seen since I've been
01:14:04here.
01:14:05As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene started getting involved, the snowball started rolling.
01:14:10This is not about politics. This is a boiling point in American history.
01:14:17We see some very effective advocacy on behalf of the victims themselves.
01:14:22Why did he get away with it in 2008?
01:14:25Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?
01:14:28Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable when so many others played a role?
01:14:32Let the public know the truth.
01:14:34I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices
01:14:41of Virginia Dufresne and others who could not continue.
01:14:49Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein have paid tribute to Virginia Dufresne at a rally in Washington DC.
01:14:57She took her own life in April this year.
01:15:01It made me very sad when she passed.
01:15:04This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, but the effects will always catch up.
01:15:12Virginia said it best, and I quote,
01:15:14They say time can heal, but this won't.
01:15:17Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people with so-called privileges.
01:15:22I just call it money.
01:15:24People believe her now.
01:15:26I mean, she won.
01:15:29In a sad way.
01:15:36So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol to confront these corrupt forces.
01:15:44We know we have 212 Democrats, and we have four Republicans, courageous Republicans.
01:15:51The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition on the Republican side of the aisle were all women.
01:15:58Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Nancy Mace.
01:16:02They were woken up at 5 a.m. in the morning with the president saying, F this, F that.
01:16:09Get your effing name off of this thing.
01:16:11But to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong.
01:16:16There was a time when few believed that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files.
01:16:25And it was only after it became very clear that Trump was going to lose on this vote, then finally
01:16:33he claimed to support it.
01:16:36We've done a great job, and I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done.
01:16:43So I'm all for it.
01:16:46What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote.
01:16:50The yeas are 427.
01:16:53The nays are one.
01:16:55The bill is passed, and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
01:17:05Mr. Speaker, today's an extraordinary day in this chamber.
01:17:09This is about the powerless.
01:17:13Taking power away from the very powerful.
01:17:18When Trump backflipped on it, the survivors won.
01:17:23The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous.
01:17:32The bill forces the Justice Department to release Epstein-filed documents within 30 days.
01:17:57Once the Epstein-filed Transparency Act became law, there was a deadline, December 19th, for the release of everything.
01:18:06Staffeed attorney general Todd Blanche says, however, several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, with more to
01:18:13come in the coming weeks.
01:18:15Hundreds of thousands.
01:18:16I could sit at home and just stay on the couch and not be involved.
01:18:19Being here is just historic.
01:18:23We got a few hours till we find out.
01:18:26We're talking about a tonnage of information that may take some time just to process.
01:18:31The Justice Department has now begun the release of the Epstein files.
01:18:38The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that.
01:18:44There was a picture of Bill Clinton. There was very little about Donald Trump.
01:18:49It was widely regarded to have few major revelations.
01:18:55At least 550 pages were fully redacted.
01:18:59We have just a fraction right now of what is believed to exist.
01:19:03It failed in our book. We haven't received full transparency, and it's an incomplete release of the files.
01:19:10That must be his prison sale.
01:19:13I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, and we're not really seeing it.
01:19:19And if that's the best they're going to do, I don't think we're ever going to get to the truth.
01:19:26This was a slap in the face of survivors.
01:19:29They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law.
01:19:32People kept trying to push for the release of the files, and six weeks later, all of a sudden, 3
01:19:40.5 million documents hit the public.
01:19:463 million pages of documents, 180,000 images, and 2,000 videos.
01:19:51The latest release of files related to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking in its size and its content.
01:19:58Of the 180,000 images released, these pictures of the king's brother seem to be what everyone is talking about.
01:20:05Police are assessing claims.
01:20:08Andrew Manfatton Windsor shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein.
01:20:13All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe.
01:20:19Active investigations are now underway in at least 10 countries.
01:20:23Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files in a search of any potential victims from that country.
01:20:30In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross corruption.
01:20:35Poland's prime minister also says his country would investigate possible links between the convicted sex offender and Russian intelligence services.
01:20:43The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, communications that they thought were private, are now filling the pages of
01:20:50newspapers internationally.
01:20:53My gosh, was this embarrassing. Can we start with Peter Atiyah?
01:20:58Elon Musk spent the entirety of last year saying, I refuse to go to the island. I refuse.
01:21:04And then the emails come out where he says, when's the Wildest Party? When can I come to your island?
01:21:08Good Lord. Another very prominent person caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course, claims that he picked
01:21:14up a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman.
01:21:18He's denied that publicly.
01:21:20We have this footage where Steve Bannon is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
01:21:27At the same time, people are making sense of the 3.5 million files.
01:21:31There's Congress, who is continuing to investigate this and continuing to call witnesses, including the Attorney General.
01:21:45All right, getting back to our breaking news. Attorney General Pam Bondi is set to testify before the House Judiciary
01:21:50Committee at any moment now.
01:21:51Survivors say their identities were exposed because of inadequate redaction.
01:21:57Well, right now, we're heading over to the Capitol. I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa. After that, we'll
01:22:05be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing.
01:22:18We have Congress working on our side, and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do.
01:22:24Hi, I'm Sam Malone. Nice to meet you.
01:22:26Hi.
01:22:26Hi, Lisa. Nice to meet you.
01:22:28Pleasure meeting you. Come on in.
01:22:29We have a camera guy following us.
01:22:31Oh, my. I should have put my tie on.
01:22:40I want to take a moment to acknowledge the Epstein survivors who are here today.
01:22:45I am deeply sorry for what any victim, any victim, has been through.
01:22:50Attorney General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them
01:23:01through with the absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information?
01:23:17I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, just not even just a little bit, just
01:23:22to acknowledge, not, it doesn't even have to be an apology, but to acknowledge that we were there and that
01:23:28we represent 1,200 survivors.
01:23:33To my right is an email that was sent by the victim's lawyers to the DOJ. It was a list
01:23:39of names not to release. They released this email. Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you
01:23:47did. And we know you touched the document because you redacted the lawyer's name, but you left the survivor's name
01:23:53there.
01:23:53So I really have just one question for you. How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? How many
01:24:01perpetrators are you even investigating?
01:24:05First, you showed it. I find it. How many have you indicted? Excuse me. I'm going to answer the question.
01:24:11Answer my question. No, I'm going to answer the question the way I want to answer the question. Your theatrics
01:24:16are ridiculous. No, you're going to answer the question the way I asked it.
01:24:21I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, like, wow. They really are turning a blind eye
01:24:30to this for whatever reason. And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why,
01:24:36right?
01:24:51Are you looking at the reaction in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world and scratching your
01:24:58head with what's going on here?
01:24:59Yes. I see a different attitude overseas. The untouchables are touchable now.
01:25:08Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public
01:25:16office.
01:25:17It comes weeks after the Justice Department released emails Andrew allegedly sent to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in
01:25:242010.
01:25:26I think for several years we'd always imagined that it could come to this place and he was arrested.
01:25:34And I still found myself absolutely speechless for the first couple of hours.
01:25:38Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time and appears to have forwarded Epstein British government documents
01:25:44on trade policy.
01:25:46But this wasn't the story that we were following at all. This was something completely different.
01:25:50Now, Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, has also now been arrested. And, you know, it's
01:25:56fascinating to see how far this chain will go.
01:25:59We are probably only at the very beginning.
01:26:03Over two dozen people have resigned. CEOs, members of government worldwide.
01:26:07But I haven't seen any arrests or investigations here in the United States from this Department of Justice.
01:26:15As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe, this is how sophisticated democracies react to alarming information they
01:26:26investigate.
01:26:26I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
01:26:31What we're seeing in the United States is Trump's Justice Department trying to say that there is nothing to see
01:26:39here.
01:26:40Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking girls to other powerful men?
01:26:45According to the Associated Press's review of the files, the FBI says no.
01:26:51In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, do you personally know of evidence that exists within the Department
01:27:00of Justice, within the FBI, that has not come out yet?
01:27:04I do. I do.
01:27:11You know, when you have different girls telling the same stories, cooperating with each other, that's powerful, really powerful.
01:27:22So, and again, I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing.
01:27:30I know of people that girls were traded out to and have not come out.
01:27:40I tend to believe that this story is going to outlive me because it's filled with so many mysteries, things
01:27:48people don't know.
01:27:52We don't know the depth of the cover up yet, but I think this will eventually rank up there with
01:27:59Watergate.
01:28:02Hopefully, the American public is going to continue to care about this story and continue to demand that we get
01:28:09all of the answers.
01:28:12We're done laying down and being quiet. Now we're screaming in public.
01:28:19It's a serious question.
01:28:21I'm sorry.
01:28:21Do you think you're the devil himself?
01:28:23I don't know. Why would you say that?
01:28:25Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember, the devil is somebody who knows.
01:28:29The devil's what?
01:28:30The devil's brilliant.
01:28:32Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil.
01:28:35Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man.
01:28:40And he used all of that for evil.
01:28:46We do not do this story justice if we think it starts and ends with Epstein. Of course it doesn't.
01:28:52There is so much further to go.
01:28:55It's good to know.
01:28:57Thank you very much.
01:29:05Congratulations.
01:29:11Thank you.
01:29:25Our first day is to die.
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