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John Keim joins the show to discuss Washington's offseason and preview the upcoming NFL Draft.
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00:00Right now, we're excited to get on the Rude Guest Hotline, talk to our friend, Mr. John Kime.
00:06Johnny, what's up, bud? How are you?
00:07What up, fellas? How are you?
00:09So, I don't want to bring up a sore subject.
00:13I know how you are with Ohio State football.
00:16I think you're living and dying with the Buckeyes.
00:20Just a little bit.
00:21Last night was a good hoops game, and your boys were on the wrong end of it,
00:24but, like, do you get all up and down with Buckeyes hoops or just happy they kind of made the
00:30tourney?
00:31Well, I was happy they made the tourney because it's about bleeping time, right?
00:37It had been a few years.
00:39And, yes, I want to see them win.
00:41Yes, that was a tough loss, but if that had been the football team, I don't know if I sleep
00:48too much last night.
00:49I don't think you'd be doing this interview if that was the football team.
00:51No, I think I'd be probably in a therapist's chair somewhere.
00:55But, you know, it was a good game.
00:58I think it's incredible that you have a play designed with 4.3 seconds left, and you can't even get
01:03past half court.
01:04So, anyways, not that I'm bitter about the last play, but it was actually a good game,
01:09and I think there's reason to like what they can do in the future.
01:13But, you know, it is – I mean, it's a second – it takes a chair to the football team,
01:19right?
01:19You and J.P. sound a little bit of light, man.
01:23So, he was asking this question earlier, John.
01:25I will ask you this question.
01:27Like, would you rather not be there or the way that y'all lost?
01:31Which one for you?
01:33I'm of the mind, you go as far as you can, you lose.
01:36It's better than not getting there at all.
01:39I'd rather they be in there, yes, because it had been a few years.
01:43And so – and I think in my sports history, I'm used to pain, so I think it's just like
01:49– it's just another one, right?
01:51But I'd rather they be there because you have a chance.
01:53Like, that last shot goes in, now you're advancing and you're playing Duke, and Duke didn't look great yesterday.
01:59So, you know, I'd rather that.
02:01I think the question is, like, they were kind of playing.
02:05They weren't hitting their shots.
02:06They weren't in the game.
02:06It's like, well, if they kind of go out this way, it's like it's a little bit of a softer
02:10exit.
02:11But then they – the pain is you come all the way back, you get the lead, and then you
02:17can't score for the last five and a half minutes.
02:20So, anyways.
02:21Yeah.
02:21But, yeah, I'd rather they be there.
02:23All right.
02:23Talking with our friend John Kime here on the Rude Guest Hotline.
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02:31John, you know, I've been reading your work in ESPN.
02:33I've been watching the John Kime report on YouTube.
02:36I think you, like most of us, are pretty fond of what they've done decision-making-wise so far in
02:42free agency.
02:42Do you have what you would consider, like, a best move or one you think will have the biggest impact?
02:49Well, I think – jeez.
02:52I think – I mean, they had to get an edge rusher.
02:57So, like, biggest impact should be Odafe Owe, right?
03:01Like, that should be the biggest impact because he's the guy that can get after the passer.
03:07It's something they lacked.
03:08And then to pair with, like, Doran Armstrong, get Caleb on chase on.
03:12But the whole thing was you've got to get a top guy first, and he was one of the top
03:16three edge rushers available.
03:17So – but I think the move that – you know, I think it'd be maybe a tie between, like,
03:23Leo Chennault and then Chigo Conquo
03:25because both those give them something they absolutely didn't have.
03:29And, you know, Conquo gives you a move tight end who can make plays in space and runs well after
03:37the catch.
03:37Now, he's not a great – he has not – he has not been a big red zone guy in
03:42his first few years of Tennessee.
03:44But he is a yak guy.
03:47And I think if you want to develop more of the screen game, getting a guy like that, bringing back
03:52De'Ami Brown to help in that area,
03:54he was really good in that area.
03:55That was one of his better attributes a couple years ago.
03:58So – among others, right?
03:59Like, among other players.
04:00But, like – but Chid can give you that.
04:02And Chennault gives you a linebacker who can run.
04:04I mean, he's a four – what was he?
04:06Four, five, two guy in the 40.
04:08Yeah.
04:09But you watch him play.
04:10And, like, in this division, you've got Jalen Hurts.
04:12You've got, you know, Jackson Dart.
04:15And Dak can run a little bit, too.
04:16So, you want to have a guy who – you need more speed on that D.
04:19He gives you that at linebacker.
04:23And, you know, his ability to disguise blitzes, I think, is – or his ability to blitz is big.
04:29Being able to drop – and he's improved in – he's improved in coverage.
04:33But he is more of a thumper.
04:35And – but he's fast.
04:37And, like, he can spy.
04:38So, I guess – he gives you an element you have not had for, you know, in a while.
04:42So, John, you know, every time they make a move, people always want to assume that this move means this
04:49or means that.
04:51They've made a lot of moves.
04:52And at the point right now, I don't think – I don't think they've shown me you can lean one
04:57way or the other what they're going to do in a draft.
04:59No.
05:00Have you picked up anything, or are you just as confused as I am?
05:03I think – I think what they've done is – first of all, I'm always confused.
05:07So, I don't know if that's any different, right?
05:09Like, anything they – but I think in this case, it's more that –
05:13what option isn't – I mean, I think almost every option remains on the table, right?
05:17You know, you got – you filled the edge rusher hole with Chason and Owe, and you bring back Dorrance.
05:25But Chason and Armstrong are in the last year – Chason's a one-year guy, and Armstrong's in the last
05:30year of his deal.
05:31So, if there's an edge guy there you like, it's a premium position.
05:35And if that's the best guy, you take him.
05:37You know, if you sign a linebacker, but if Sonny Stiles is there, I mean, he gives you something else
05:41you don't have in the middle.
05:42Because that's what he would be.
05:45You take – you know, if that's a guy, you take him.
05:47Now you have this incredibly fast group.
05:49So, you know, cornerback.
05:51Like, they signed Amik Robertson, but do you have that – you know, you have a chance maybe to get
05:56a premium corner.
05:57Again, an expensive position.
05:59And you only have three guys right now that you can say they'll be on the roster.
06:03So, you know, I think that would make sense as well.
06:07I mean, receiver, of course, we know that they have a hole there.
06:10Jeremiah Love, they haven't done anything at running back that would stop me from saying, oh, yeah, take – you
06:15know, just let him pass.
06:17You know, because you signed these guys.
06:18Like, I think they put themselves in position at each of those spots to be able to play and have
06:24depth there.
06:25But they haven't done anything to make me say, like, oh, you don't have to address this area.
06:30Totally, man.
06:31And, like, the social media reaction to Jerome Ford signing a one-year vet minimum that now you can't draft
06:37Jeremiah Love is so asinine, dude.
06:40Yeah, no.
06:40No, I mean, you draft – here's the – like, if you have a chance to get a blue-chip
06:44guy, you draft a blue-chip guy.
06:46Right.
06:47And so it's – you know, you want to surround Jaden Daniels with more talent.
06:51Well, there aren't many offensive players in that draft who are more talented than Jeremiah Love.
06:55And I know it's positional value, but you look at the numbers on the contract, given what running backs are
07:01starting to get like,
07:02he doesn't get over $10 million until, like, I think year four.
07:06Right.
07:06So if he hits, like, you have pretty good value there.
07:10Totally.
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07:22Not that all roads lead back to Columbus, but specifically in the draft, there's two prospects I wanted to ask
07:28you about.
07:30Caleb Downs, it may have just been fake news, but there was, like, some medical reporting coming out of the
07:37combine.
07:37And then Carnell Tate, probably not the 40th time he wanted to run.
07:42You – I know how you watch Ohio State games, and yet you actually, like, study the tape, not just
07:47watch them live.
07:47What do you make of both of those players?
07:49Because I think, honestly, both those guys are options at seven.
07:52Oh, for sure.
07:54And, I mean, obviously with Carnell Tate, they need another guy opposite Terry McLaurin.
07:58And he gives – he will give a team someone who tracks the ball well down the field.
08:02He's a very good route runner, and he's a good blocker.
08:05So, he gives you all that.
08:06I think the question will be, can he be a number one guy?
08:09And I say that because, like, if you're drafting someone top ten, they need to be – they need to
08:13become that guy.
08:14And then you look at Terry's contract, he's going to count 34 mil on the cap in 27.
08:19Like, you – I don't see any way he does that.
08:22Now, you can restructure or you move on, right?
08:25One or the other.
08:26You can do that.
08:27So, but would you get a guy that can ascend to that number one role if you needed him to
08:32be that guy?
08:34But I think Tate gives you a lot of playmaking ability.
08:37The 4-5, I think it was 4-5-2, something like that.
08:40You know, that was a little bit – I thought he'd be, like, upper 4-4s.
08:44But he plays to his speed, and he does – you know, he's a very good receiver.
08:49Now, of course, he's opposite Jeremiah Smith.
08:51But he also – he was excellent with contested catches and tracking the ball.
08:57And, again, they need another guy, whether it's him, Jordan Tyson, whomever, right?
09:01Caleb Downs, like, in watching that team over the years, was very few times you look and see, like,
09:09oh, that guy's a legitimate coach on the field.
09:12And that's the guy that – that's him, right?
09:16And I think when he's out there, I think, like, okay, it's a third down play.
09:20Well, you know you've got Caleb Downs.
09:21You cover this guy.
09:22Like, you feel really good about what they will do, right?
09:25And, you know, he can play multiple spots where he's a very – you know, he's a bring-your-briefcase
09:31-to-work kind of player.
09:33I mean, that's just who he is.
09:34I talked to Dan Quinn about him at the Combine, and he's like, you know, the quote was along the
09:40lines of, like,
09:41you watch him on film and you say, wow.
09:43And then you talk to him in person and you say, wow.
09:46So, like, there's a lot that he offers, and especially, like, in Durante Jones' system, you're going to want a
09:52guy's safety that has some versatility.
09:54Now, the other part of this, J.B. and B. Mitch, is that this draft is very good at safety.
10:00So, if you – same with the receiver.
10:02So, you don't have to take one there if you think, like, oh, maybe you can get another guy in
10:06the third round and take something else up here, whatever.
10:09But, yeah, I think both those guys have to be in play because they both fill spots that I think,
10:15you know, you could strengthen on this team.
10:17Yeah, it's interesting, and I've been making the argument.
10:19I think from a straight roster construction looking both short-term and long-term, receiver at seven makes the most
10:28sense.
10:29I just don't know – and I know people really like Tate.
10:33I mean, this draft doesn't have one of those, like, true alpha, pencil men, wide receiver one wide outs.
10:39I think there's a lot of good players that can help a team.
10:44And I think, you know, Mendoza's going to go one because he's quarterback, all that.
10:47But I've had multiple talent evaluators tell me the two best players in this draft are Love and Downs.
10:53Yes, I've heard the same.
10:55And so, that's why I say if Love is sitting there at seven and you have a chance to get
10:59one of the two best in the draft,
11:00if that's how they view it.
11:03Like, you know, I don't know how they're going to view it at this point, right?
11:07But if that's how you view it and you get that guy, like, you race to get that guy.
11:12I mean, you know, or if it's Caleb Downs and you feel like he's a difference maker for you,
11:17then, again, it transcends the, quote, positional value.
11:22And this is a team that was willing to go over $20 million for Tyler Linderbaum at a position that
11:27you typically would never go that high.
11:29Nobody has gone that high.
11:30But they viewed him as not center, but Tyler Linderbaum, impact player in their run game, right?
11:37So, if you're looking at it like that, like, then if you see Caleb Downs or Love as that guy,
11:42then yes, I can see it.
11:43And I agree with you on receiver.
11:44That's a question that Colonel Tate will have to answer is can he be that number one guy?
11:50Like, Jordan Tyson, his film is great, but, like, he's hurt a lot.
11:53So, you take a chance on someone with that injury history at number seven, I think that's, you know, might
12:00be awfully tough to do.
12:01So, yeah, I think, you know, I agree with you on that.
12:05John, as you look at what they've done thus far this year, and I know, like, I'm the main one.
12:10I always say we don't play football until September.
12:13There are a lot of moves to go again.
12:14Yes.
12:14But do you think that this team put themselves in a better position than they were last year at this
12:19time?
12:21Well, you know, it's funny because you get that recency bias.
12:24So, last year at this time, you're thinking you're building off a 12-5 season.
12:28Yeah.
12:28But I think where they've been better this offseason is more, they have a few more multi-year deals, but
12:36also with younger guys.
12:37And so, you have a chance to maybe build a stronger foundation for the next couple years as opposed to
12:44last year we had way more one-year contracts that you brought in.
12:48And so, I think from that standpoint, you're better in terms of roster building than you were.
12:53So, as a team overall, well, we'll see because we thought they were pretty good at this time last year.
12:58And you just, you never know.
12:59I mean, shoot, at this time last year, I was looking at this just recently, Seattle's win-loss total going
13:05into the year was like 8.5.
13:06And they were like middle of the pack.
13:08And then they go, look awesome, right?
13:10So, you never know.
13:12But I like the moves.
13:14Like, one of the things they want to do is get younger, more multi-year deals, and get more faster
13:19and more athletic.
13:20And I think they've accomplished that.
13:22Now, the question is, you know, who is your other weapon you're going to add for Jaden?
13:27Can Jaden, can Jaden Daniels, is he going to be durable?
13:30Like, that's one year, plays every game.
13:33Next year, gets hurt a few times.
13:34Like, that's going to be the question, too, is, and then, you know, so I think that's the big thing.
13:39If you can keep him durable, I think then you can say, yeah, they're in good shape.
13:44Well, dude, it's funny.
13:45I did, uh, Galdi, a friend of all of ours, right?
13:49Al Galdi's podcast.
13:50And he asked me, you know, with all the moves and the additions on the defensive side of the ball,
13:55do you think this is a playoff contender again?
13:57And my answer was, I think if Jaden's healthy last year, they're probably still at least a playoff contender.
14:04You know what I mean?
14:05Like, I think it's perhaps unfair to the young man, but even with a better roster, so much still hinges
14:13on Jaden's availability.
14:15And I think last year, if you look at it, it was so fluky.
14:18I know people now want to bring up, like, durability questions.
14:21I also think he probably could have played, like, the last three games of the year if they wanted him
14:26to.
14:27My only coaching point for Jaden from a health standpoint from last year, don't chase the dude if he picks
14:34you off.
14:35Let your O-line, let your receivers, you know what I mean?
14:38I do, but I also, I do, but, I mean, that's, I think that's also why players like him because
14:46he's a competitor.
14:47Totally.
14:48But, I mean, I know, yeah, I know.
14:50And, yeah, and, you know, his, it was the durability or the injuries, like, you're right, like, it wasn't like
14:57it was the same injury over and over.
14:58But then it's like, you know, that plus, you know, Terry McCoy getting hurt and missing all camp and et
15:03cetera.
15:04You know, so I think, like, all that added up.
15:06And if you have, I mean, health is a, if you probably ask most teams, like, what's the number one
15:12factor in getting far in the playoffs, they'll probably say health.
15:16Yeah.
15:16You know, and quarterback play, right?
15:18And so they had, you know, they didn't have that.
15:21They didn't have the depth.
15:22Like, look at receiver.
15:23They're better at receiver now than they were last year.
15:26One of the hardest hit places for injuries.
15:28Then defensive end, better right now than they were last year.
15:31Another hard hit area by injuries.
15:34So, you know, like, those are premium positions for them.
15:37And you've still got to get another guy opposite Terry, but the depth is way better.
15:42So I think you're in better position in some areas to withstand that.
15:47You know, clearly need more corner help and, you know, but et cetera.
15:52But, like, I think, you know, with Jayden, I don't worry.
15:56Like, I haven't talked to anybody who says, like, geez, I don't know what's going to happen with him.
16:01You know, like, you know what I mean?
16:03Nobody is expressing that kind of doubt.
16:04But I think more of it is, like, just that the roster was kind of exposed when he wasn't out
16:11there.
16:12And I think the goal for these guys is to get in, you know, as they've said,
16:15they don't want him to always have to feel like he has to put the cape on to get them
16:19across the finish line.
16:20And that's why there's more work to be done on that offense.
16:23See, that's what I've always felt, where if you have a quarterback who's capable of being Superman,
16:28you don't want him to be it all the time because if he has to be it, he's going to
16:32get hurt.
16:32So, if he can just go out there and do what he needs to do and then use that ability
16:37when the time calls,
16:38he's less apt to get hurt.
16:40So, last year I felt that it was a situation when Terry wasn't in and Terry got hurt
16:45and a lot of things going on, he had to try to be Superman.
16:48Yeah, for sure.
16:49And I think that's why we go back to if Jeremiah Love is there, you know, like, yes.
16:56Because then how can you take some of that pressure off, hand it to Jeremiah,
17:00watch him run 50 yards.
17:02You know what I mean?
17:03Yeah.
17:03They don't, and that's not like, you know, can Bill Crosby advance as a runner?
17:08Of course.
17:09Sure.
17:09You know, but I think when you're looking at difference makers, like Jeremiah Love is a difference maker.
17:15I mean, they're clearly at center.
17:17They wanted to get Linderbaum, but they're okay with having Alec Reddy and whomever else battle out for center, right?
17:25Like, you know what I mean?
17:25Like, get the difference makers that when you can, if you can.
17:29And so, like, that's one way to help Jayden Daniels.
17:33Like, you can't, it's not about sitting there and telling him, don't run here, don't run there.
17:37It's about letting him hand it off to a guy who can do what he does as well.
17:42For sure.
17:43All right, John, next time I see you, I'm guessing we'll be in Arizona at the league meetings.
17:47One old-fashioned, one glass of red.
17:49Does that sound about right?
17:51The Monday party is the best, baby.
17:54Thank you for the time, Kime.
17:55Appreciate you, bud.
17:56Thanks, guys.
17:56Bye, John.
17:57Take care, brother.
17:57All right, that's our friend, Mr. John Kime.
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