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00:12stop talking and listen no i am listening therapist said be a mom you just told me to ask
00:18you didn't you just ask me to explain it to you now you're telling me to listen so which one
00:23do
00:23you want you want me to listen or do you want me to tell you both communicate no you just
00:27told me
00:28to stop and listen so i'm listening well you had your i'm listening my mom and i just landed in
00:32colorado i'm hoping that this trip gives me a little bit of information answers about my biological dad
00:38but this trip is already hell because i don't want to be in the car anymore with my mom no
00:44it's just
00:44very toxic why didn't you ask him dakota why the fuck are you a fucking liar why wasn't anyone
00:50asking him that i don't know we didn't ask him that's why i'm asking we don't know i just told
00:54you an answer oh you don't know you shouldn't be with him that's the whole point sometimes i just
00:59want to be heard like just listen to and like there's always an opinion or advice and then maybe
01:05i just need to be more clear just listen and say nothing i'm sick of talking about dakota
01:10this isn't just about dakota no that's all that's all it is you're still hooked up on him no you
01:15are
01:15i hate no you you're hooked up on him you're still in love with him you are you want me
01:20to have respect
01:20for you but you never have respect okay but you want us to back you up but you can't even
01:26know
01:27i don't want you to back me don't back me up no then why are you pissed huh why are
01:31you pissed then
01:32i'm asking if you don't want us to back you up sir you haven't answered my goddamn question
01:35stop using the lord's name in vain please
01:40i want to go home so i'm going back to the airport i don't want to do this anymore
01:55i'm the one you've been dreaming of i've got everything you could ever want
02:03try me to see you out bring you to your knees baby you're gonna believe
02:17you
02:52Oh, it's busy today.
02:54I'm not going to lie, I feel like I would have a blast here.
02:56I know.
02:57This is one of those times where I'm like, yeah, I'll just go play with the kids.
02:59Then you're like climbing by myself, climbing up that thing.
03:03Dating as a single mom is incredibly challenging.
03:05My boys are my whole world, but things are going really good between me and Mason.
03:10We've been together five months officially, and I'm really happy.
03:14I let Mason see my kids maybe once a week.
03:18I just feel like until I know that he truly is in this for the right reasons,
03:22he's not in the place yet to be a father figure around them.
03:25What happened to your arms?
03:27You look like an elephant with your trunk right here.
03:31Okay, go over there.
03:32Go play.
03:34Go have fun, bro.
03:35Do the slide, this slide in the back.
03:37Do the rainbow slide.
03:42The child needs some milk.
03:44Good job.
03:46Are you excited for New York?
03:48Yes.
03:49It's going to be fun.
03:50I'm super excited because I'm going to New York tomorrow to pursue some things with modeling.
03:54Mason's also coming along with me to New York, and I'm really excited to have him come support me.
03:58I've been modeling since I was a little girl, and I've done small shows and modeled for boutiques and things
04:03like that, but I had to put a big hold on it.
04:06Being a mom, but I am excited to be able to put myself first for a second.
04:10I mean, I don't have these legs for no reason.
04:12You know, they need to be on a runway.
04:15I have a meeting lined up with Ford, like the modeling agency.
04:19Are you serious?
04:19Yeah.
04:20Are you nervous?
04:21I'm excited, but nervous.
04:23Just being able to get like a meeting with them is like a big deal, so.
04:26Is there like one of the bigger ones, like in the world or something, right?
04:30No.
04:31That's sick.
04:31I'm excited you're going to be there.
04:33It's going to be a fun trip.
04:34Five more minutes, okay?
04:36Okay, go.
04:37Okay, five minutes.
04:38All of the girls are getting such cool opportunities, like the girls dancing the stars and Taylor Lott Charette.
04:44Yeah.
04:44And I kind of get my chance now, just because I've been dreaming of doing modeling since I was little.
04:51I've got to get dinner soon.
04:54We should for sure go in five.
04:57They can have like ten.
04:58They're fine.
05:00I did say five minutes, a few seconds.
05:03Yeah, but.
05:04This is so.
05:07What?
05:09They're having fun.
05:10Dinner can wait.
05:11Maybe we should compromise, call it seven.
05:15No, ten.
05:16I just feel like with the kids sometimes, hey, can I have another five minutes, another five minutes, another five
05:21minutes.
05:23You know, like, I feel like they just like push you and see how far they can get away with
05:26you sometimes.
05:28And they just kind of get away with a lot.
05:31It's like, who's controlling who a little bit.
05:37Yeah.
05:39I guess I just feel like you should put your foot down a little bit more.
05:41There definitely has been a few times in the past that Mason seems very annoyed with my boys.
05:47I'm definitely scared to bring up these things with Mason.
05:50I'm afraid it would potentially scare him off or I would come off too strong and he wouldn't know how
05:55to handle it.
05:56But I just, I don't want to ruin the relationship before New York and I just don't want things to
06:01be awkward or heated or feel contention.
06:03So I just don't think right now is the time to bring it up.
06:25Let's just try to get along while we're here.
06:28We came all this way.
06:32Even though I did want to go home, I still want to learn more about my biological father, Brian.
06:37So I want to sweep everything with my mom that just happened under the rug so we can actually be
06:41present here and get the most out of what we came for.
06:44Hi.
06:45Hi.
06:45Thank you for having us.
06:55I'm Steve Lorenz.
06:58And he was probably the best resource for Taylor to ask any questions that she might have.
07:05So let me start from the top or?
07:06Yeah.
07:07Go for it.
07:07All right.
07:08So Brian was just a great person.
07:09Super, super, super intelligent.
07:11That's what everyone says about him.
07:13Super intelligent.
07:14He was a tough kid.
07:15He was also a Taurus.
07:16I don't know if that matters.
07:17Taurus?
07:18I don't know much about like the Taurus ones.
07:19They're like have an anger.
07:20Bull-headed, I guess.
07:21Yeah.
07:21Like a bull.
07:22Yeah.
07:23Just kind of like, you know, show them red and they may go crazy.
07:26I don't know.
07:26Oh, maybe that's where I get half of that from, maybe.
07:28And the other half of me, I guess.
07:32He used to fight a lot.
07:33All the fights he got into, they started it with him.
07:35Oh, really?
07:36Yeah.
07:36Why?
07:37I don't know.
07:37That's how I feel.
07:38Everyone starts fights with me and I have to fight.
07:41He ends up going to the Marines after the basic training.
07:45He comes back.
07:46That's two years before you were born.
07:47And he gets in a horrible car accident.
07:49And so he breaks his neck.
07:51And that just changes everything.
07:54He just never recovered.
07:55So we see you like pretty normal before that?
07:57It was super.
07:58So he didn't even do drugs before that?
08:00No.
08:01I think it would have been different.
08:02Yeah, because he was like really happy in high school, like that jock.
08:04Nothing.
08:05Super cool.
08:05Straight leg.
08:06Yeah, football.
08:08Healthy, smart, strong.
08:10How old?
08:10So when was the car accident?
08:11How old was he?
08:12Probably 19.
08:13Brian and I met when I was 15.
08:16The car accident he was in changed him completely.
08:19But I stayed with him.
08:20I felt like I was in love with him.
08:22Brian had that hold on me that I feel like Dakota has on Taylor.
08:27Brian got the worst of it.
08:28He was in the backseat, broke his neck.
08:3093 rolls around and he discovered cocaine.
08:34Yeah.
08:36And well, then crystal meth comes in at some point in the late 90s.
08:40It's just never.
08:40It's just.
08:42It breaks my heart.
08:43It always did.
08:44And I always try to help him out.
08:45I just know he had an overdose in 2015.
08:48Oh, wow.
08:48I didn't know.
08:49I think that just sent him down because he was gone about a year later.
08:53It's wild.
08:55It's a lot to take in.
08:56Yeah.
09:00I don't know.
09:00How is this for you?
09:01Is this just like a kind of a blur?
09:04No.
09:04I feel like you don't remember like anything about him.
09:06I remember him.
09:07I mean, I just I remember fighting most of the time.
09:10Yeah.
09:11And not good things.
09:11So maybe it's not something you like to talk about?
09:13I don't know.
09:15I just remember one incident.
09:16I'm not going to say that on camera though, but.
09:18What?
09:19What was it?
09:20In the reservoir.
09:21He was just kind of out of temper.
09:24Oh, yeah.
09:24I'll just say that.
09:25But I think he like kicked you in the stomach.
09:27Yeah.
09:29Work in front of everyone?
09:31Yeah.
09:32It was a really toxic relationship.
09:34I was very jealous.
09:35Very jealous.
09:36He dragged me out of a club one time.
09:39Hearing that my biological father, he would like kick her in front of everyone, you know,
09:44was really sad.
09:45I just didn't know it was that extent.
09:46So it makes me actually feel for her.
09:48Because I think she just gets triggered.
09:50And when she sees any toxicity in my life and my relationship,
09:54I think I need to give her that grace because I don't think she's ever been heard.
09:58When I found out I was pregnant with Taylor, we had just broken up.
10:01And then I find out I'm pregnant with her.
10:03I didn't want anything to do with him.
10:05And then after I had the baby, we kind of got back together.
10:08And then I'm like, oh, no.
10:10Because that's what he started doing.
10:11So I do recall when you met Jeremy.
10:14And then Jeremy ended up adopting you, right?
10:16Yeah.
10:16And Brian just, I think, at that point was just so far gone.
10:19He was just like, I'm just going to stay up.
10:21Let's kind of stay out of it.
10:24Jeremy came into our lives like at the lowest time of my life.
10:28Taylor was just a little over a year old.
10:31And I feel that he saved me.
10:35And I feel like that he saved Taylor.
10:38I brought some pictures here.
10:40I brought you a handful of them.
10:41Oh.
10:41But I've had a...
10:42That's so cool.
10:43That's his senior picture.
10:44You can kind of see.
10:46I have his little smirk.
10:47I do know that.
10:49He reminds me a lot of my son.
10:50That's crazy.
10:51Like my youngest, which is interesting.
10:54It would be his little mini if he was here.
10:56He walks like him, too.
10:58His same feet.
10:58Oh, yeah.
10:59It's weird.
10:59I would always have dreams about him.
11:02Like, even when I moved to Utah, that he was going to show up on our doorstep, like, for both
11:06of us.
11:06But he never did.
11:08I didn't know my mom feared Brian in that way.
11:13There is a part of me that, like, wonders what else she hasn't told me.
11:16What else was going on?
11:18What else happened that you're not saying?
11:20Or maybe never will.
11:21I think if he was still around, he would have made peace with you by now.
11:24Or just attempted to reach out.
11:27Just wasn't in his right mind.
11:28He's a great guy.
11:29I wouldn't take it personal, for sure.
11:44Oh, would you look at this?
11:46What?
11:47Looks good so far.
11:48No, I'm trying to be festive.
11:52I can't even pick these up.
11:53They're so heavy.
11:55Jordan and I have just been really stuck.
11:57I'm just trying to keep my head above water, trying not to make any drastic moves right
12:01now while we figure it out.
12:03But it is getting exhausting.
12:04And I genuinely don't know what the right decision is.
12:07Have you talked to Dakota lately?
12:08Yeah, I went over to his and saw his new house.
12:10Did you help him, like, decorate or anything?
12:13No, it's pretty much a bachelor's path.
12:16I mean, he did tell me he's seen somebody.
12:18Really?
12:19He told me that it's someone that we know, but we don't.
12:22But he won't tell me who it is.
12:23Huh?
12:24So this girl you're seeing exclusively, I've been playing a little bit with fire.
12:29Is she in Taylor's circle?
12:30Well, this isn't even, yeah.
12:32Yeah.
12:34He won't tell you who it is?
12:35He's being weird about it.
12:36And it's someone we know?
12:37Is he serious?
12:38Yeah.
12:39Dakota's single and he can do whatever he wants.
12:41But what worries me is Taylor's mindset when she hears about him doing things.
12:45Because we all saw what happened when she heard about the dad talk trip to England.
12:50I just want to know if you, like, enjoyed it.
12:53Taylor.
12:54So I'm freaking so sad.
12:56He just says he likes her.
12:57Wait, okay, did he think that whoever it is would cause a problem with Taylor?
13:00I said on a scale of one to ten, like, how bad is it?
13:05And he said a nine.
13:07Are you kidding?
13:09Yeah.
13:10Maybe it's Miranda.
13:12It's not Miranda.
13:13Shut up.
13:13It's not Miranda.
13:15I don't know.
13:16It's Shania.
13:17That was my first reaction was, like, is it Shania?
13:19And then he said no.
13:21Shania and Taylor are incredibly close.
13:24But they are close enough for Shania to know that Dakota's off limits.
13:27We were all just hanging out with Shania at Pickleball.
13:29Shania confided in Taylor about the guy she was seeing.
13:32And Taylor consoled her and hugged her and was giving her advice.
13:35Update me.
13:36What's the verdict?
13:37He got back with his wife.
13:38They moved back in together.
13:40Why?
13:41He found God.
13:42I really hope it's not Shania.
13:44It would rattle so many friendships within MomTalk.
13:47Do you have any other clues?
13:48I mean, I...
13:49The other day we were going to the gym and I was seeing where he was because we were supposed
13:53to meet there.
13:53And I saw that he was at this apartment complex.
13:55You have his location?
13:56Yeah, we all have each other's location.
13:58What do you mean all?
13:59Like, Jace?
13:59Me and all my friends have each other's locations.
14:01That is so weird.
14:02I don't have anything to hide.
14:03Oh.
14:04So, I saw that he was coming from this apartment complex in Lehigh and he was like, oh, it's
14:07just, you know, just this girl.
14:10Shania lives in Lehigh, I'm pretty sure.
14:12And if it's someone in the friend group, that's Miranda's best friend.
14:15And she's been around Taylor a lot.
14:17She comments on Taylor's stuff and Taylor comments on her stuff.
14:20I just don't know who else it would be.
14:21I'm starting to feel like the girl Dakota's seeing could very well be Shania.
14:26I didn't think Dakota would do something like this to piss Taylor off, but I'm also not
14:30surprised because everyone Dakota chooses is someone that would piss Taylor off.
14:35How dumb is he?
14:36Like, why does he keep doing shit like this?
14:47All the lights go out, I'm the new girl that you're talking about.
14:51I don't care for clout, and I'm what your man still dreams about.
14:59Hey.
15:00What are you going to see?
15:02Brett.
15:03I'm going to go grab them.
15:04Okay, perfect.
15:06I'm meeting with the agency Ford today to talk about my potential of signing with them.
15:10This is a very cutthroat industry to be a part of.
15:13Modeling agencies are looking at you up and down and judging you if you're good enough
15:16for them or not.
15:17And it's very hard, but it's something I really want for myself super badly.
15:21And being signed with one of the biggest agencies in the world would just be such an honor.
15:25Hello, Layla.
15:27Hi.
15:27How are you?
15:28Nice to meet you.
15:28Nice to meet you.
15:29I'm Brett.
15:29Hi.
15:30Nice to meet you.
15:30Nice to meet you as well.
15:31Hi.
15:31Nice to meet you guys.
15:33Welcome to Ford.
15:33Thank you for meeting with me.
15:34I'm so excited.
15:34Absolutely.
15:35Absolutely.
15:36Do you want to come on in?
15:36Yeah, of course.
15:38So welcome to Ford.
15:39Yeah.
15:40So I'm from LA.
15:41I'm on the Ford LA team.
15:42I'm the director over there.
15:43I'm Brett.
15:43So I work here on the women's board here at Ford.
15:46I've been here for like 10 years now.
15:47Amazing.
15:48Yeah.
15:48So almost a decade.
15:49Tell us a little bit about you.
15:51I'm a mom of two little boys.
15:53They're four and three.
15:54They're like my whole world.
15:56In terms of like modeling and those types of things, I've been freelance modeling for probably
16:00like five-ish years now.
16:02Just like things here and there, smaller boutiques here in Utah.
16:04But I've always had like a love for modeling ever since I was little.
16:07I've always had like a dream of like being on a runway.
16:10But I feel like I'm in the place right now that like I've done a lot of things, booking
16:13things on my own and getting things started for myself.
16:16But now I just feel like I need like guidance in this world.
16:18It's just such a big world to navigate.
16:20How was your book?
16:21Do you have like good images?
16:22I have some good digitals that I have gotten.
16:24Yeah.
16:24I haven't put together like an official book yet, but I have a couple sets of digitals.
16:28So that would be another thing that we would want to do.
16:30We'd have to test you, work with different photographers and put together a book that
16:33then we would show clients.
16:35Is me coming out once a month to New York like a good amount or do you think I would
16:39need
16:39to go more?
16:40I'll be honest with you.
16:40We really would need a commitment from you of three or four months here on the ground
16:45where you're able to run to test shoots, go on castings, really get your foot in the
16:49door.
16:50Totally.
16:50But it just takes a little bit of time to break into it.
16:53And I feel like if you just come here once a month, it's, you're going to go back and
16:57you're just going to kind of reverse everything that you just did.
16:59Kind of have to start over.
17:00Hearing that I would have to move to New York for three months to complete my portfolio.
17:05I would love to actually see your walk if you don't mind.
17:07I don't know how I would do it with my boys and my relationship with Mason, but I'm also
17:11kind of like excited at the thought of it.
17:12I think it would be worth it in the end.
17:14Moving forward, we're going to get together with the other agents and then figure out,
17:18you know, if we see you as a good fit for Ford and then we'll be in touch.
17:22Well, it was so great meeting you.
17:24Thank you so much for coming in.
17:26Signing with Ford would be life changing for me with my modeling career.
17:30I feel good about this.
17:31And I don't know, just fingers crossed that this goes a good way after you.
17:35Thank you so much for coming in.
17:46You look like a real man, honey.
17:47I think it's perfect.
17:48I'm coming for Whitney's job on the farm.
17:50On the farm.
17:51Oh, look at you, dude.
17:53You look cool.
17:56You look hella straight with that off.
17:57You look hella straight.
17:58You look like hella straight.
17:59I mean.
18:01Today is the first day of the Red West Festival, which is a country concert in Utah.
18:06Jacob helped with the marketing.
18:07So he got us all these tickets.
18:09He gave Dakota a VIP pass and I yelled at him for it.
18:12I'm like, huh?
18:13But Taylor is in Colorado right now.
18:16I'm really looking forward to listening to some music, having some fun without any drama.
18:21Hey, you guys, look at Dakota.
18:22Nice to meet you.
18:23I'm Dakota.
18:24Nice to meet you.
18:24Nice to meet you.
18:25On the way over, Jordan was like, yeah, Dakota has like a roster of girls.
18:29Jordan said there's one in particular that like I think would pause an issue.
18:33And I was like, what do you mean?
18:34And he's like, I can't say that.
18:35Let's ask him.
18:36Ask Jordan, not Dakota.
18:37Why not ask Dakota?
18:38Because I don't want Jordan to get mad.
18:41Jordan hasn't told me who this mystery person that Dakota's talking to is.
18:44And I feel like he's trying to protect Dakota.
18:46So for the sake of my marriage, I shouldn't be saying anything.
18:49But this is something that really could shake up Taylor.
18:52And how do I just keep this a secret?
18:54So I said that there was like girls.
18:56Who's the girl that I talked to?
18:58So who's the girl that Taylor was mad about?
19:01Oh, I'm not.
19:06Dakota's finally told me who he's been seeing.
19:08And after the aftermath of the villa.
19:10We can't tell you shit because you will tell her.
19:13100%.
19:14And she does every time.
19:16I'm keeping my hands out of this and keeping my mouth shut.
19:18So who's the girl that's going to cause issues?
19:21Issues?
19:22What, Taylor?
19:23They're trying to figure out who another girl is Dakota hooked up with or is dating or something.
19:27So it must be someone consequential then.
19:30Are you lying?
19:30No, I mean like there is like...
19:32Is Jordan lying or you don't care?
19:33I have like...
19:34Be clear.
19:34I don't know if Dakota is trying to play coy keeping the secret or if he's genuinely just terrified of
19:39us as he should be.
19:41But clearly he's hiding something.
19:42It's not like us to let that just slip under the radar.
19:46It's time to go full FBI on this bitch.
19:49Full FBI.
19:51So we're 100% going to get to the bottom of it.
19:53You guys know how Jordan is.
19:55Jordan be safe.
19:56Look at him.
19:56Look at him right now.
19:57He's over there probably gossiping right now about something.
20:01About what?
20:03About Shania.
20:04I feel like I have reason to believe it's Shania.
20:06I just don't know who else it would be.
20:08I feel like as I start talking to Dakota, I'm just going to pretend I know and call him out
20:12and see what happens.
20:14Okay, so who is this?
20:15Tell him the truth.
20:17How do you feel?
20:17I don't really want...
20:18I didn't say anything.
20:19Like I know it's going to come out.
20:21So I just...
20:22I don't want to be the one.
20:23I don't want to be the one though.
20:24I'll just say how I feel.
20:25Like honestly, it's been like kind of cool actually.
20:28So I'm kind of just like riding with it.
20:29I don't want to say no.
20:30To be fair, it actually happened very like...
20:33It doesn't matter how it happened.
20:34It's in a safe environment.
20:36It is not.
20:39Dakota, you could not.
20:40What?
20:41Jesse, you're going to tell us.
20:42Jesse, just say it.
20:44Can I say it?
20:45No!
20:46I'm happy.
20:47It's trying.
20:54I knew it.
20:55I knew it.
21:06Dakota.
21:07Dakota, that's so bad.
21:09I'm so mad.
21:11Why are you mad?
21:12She's going to be the bachelorette.
21:13That is so inappropriate.
21:15Yes, I've been seeing Shania.
21:18Yeah.
21:19Dakota confirms that I was right, so I knew.
21:22Right when I think Dakota couldn't get any dumber, he gets dumber.
21:27I do think Dakota is doing this just to get back at Taylor and to make her jealous and
21:31have her come running back to him.
21:32She's Miranda's best friend.
21:35Miranda knows.
21:36Wow.
21:36That makes it so much better.
21:38I'm more pissed at her.
21:39Because she's friends with Taylor.
21:40No, she's not.
21:41Yes, she is.
21:42Shania is not friends with Taylor.
21:44She is in stagecoach.
21:52I just didn't want this to come out before Taylor.
21:55Yeah, I agree.
21:56Taylor could fly off the handle over this, and I think she would.
21:59Yeah.
22:00And that's why I was scared.
22:02Am I scared for Taylor to find out?
22:04Of course.
22:06I'm afraid of Taylor finding out anything.
22:08It doesn't matter what it is.
22:09If I'm trying to talk to a girl, I'm scared of Taylor finding that out.
22:12I just think you're not doing anything wrong.
22:14You're single.
22:14Well, there is something else that comes out down the road.
22:17What does that mean?
22:18Taylor's in trouble.
22:18He just said, if anything else comes out.
22:20That just was dumb.
22:21I think I was just liking it kind of stupid.
22:23What else did you do?
22:24Do you want my help or not?
22:26Do you need help?
22:27Okay, then tell me what happened.
22:28No, no, I can't tell you what happened.
22:30I need to assess the situation.
22:32Taylor still reacts poorly to things that Dakota does, so I feel like his dating life is none of
22:38our business, but we just don't want Taylor crashing out and ruining her opportunity to
22:41go on Bachelorette and hopefully find a guy who actually makes her happy and live a happy
22:45life.
22:47Now I'm nervous.
22:48What is it?
22:48I got two years and four months.
22:50When it's over.
23:07Oh my gosh, this is so weird.
23:11This is just so wild.
23:12It's been, what, 12, 15 years for me?
23:15That's nuts.
23:16Where do you want to go?
23:17Where other places do you want to visit?
23:19Should we go where I met Brian for the first time?
23:23Yeah, we can.
23:24I kind of just want to see if anything will pop up in my head.
23:27I did initially meet my biological father once when I was four at this restaurant.
23:31You know, that was the one time I had met him.
23:33I don't really know necessarily what I'm looking for here, but I think it's just, let's just
23:37go and see, you know, what happens.
23:43Oh, wow.
23:46Like, it just looks so different.
23:47Yeah.
23:49I guess it's not the same blue building I thought it was going to be.
23:53It even looks different from the outside.
23:55It does, yeah.
23:57Yeah.
23:58So weird, huh?
23:59Yeah.
24:01Does that bring back any memories for you or no?
24:03What?
24:04That?
24:04This place?
24:05Did you know you were going to see him?
24:06No.
24:07So you didn't know he worked here?
24:08No.
24:08Oh, my gosh.
24:09So when you saw him, what did you say to him?
24:11I asked him if he wanted to meet you, and he said, yeah.
24:15So that's why I called you over.
24:16I remember like, hi, what's up?
24:18Yeah, that was pretty much it.
24:19That's probably like a huge thing to meet your kid that you haven't really talked to.
24:24Was that weird for you?
24:26Yeah, it was different.
24:27What did you think that day?
24:29I don't know.
24:30Going back to the place that Taylor first met Brian, I see him meeting her.
24:37I have this beautiful little four-year-old I want to introduce, and I would want him to
24:42feel the same feelings that I have for this person, but he never did.
24:48You don't like to talk about him?
24:49I don't know.
24:52I don't know.
24:53Do you kind of get embarrassed?
24:55No.
24:59I just, I don't know.
25:01It's just a long time ago.
25:03It wasn't a good part of my life.
25:05It's not something like, that I like to talk about.
25:08Taylor keeps asking questions about Brian, and I feel a little bit uneasy.
25:16I don't want her to hurt anymore.
25:18I guess I kept things from her because I want to protect her.
25:21But I'm curious about it.
25:22Like, I don't know.
25:24I know, but maybe I'm not ready for that.
25:27I would hope that you would respect that.
25:32Yeah, like just respect whenever you're ready to talk about it or if you ever will be.
25:36If I ever, I know, I might not ever be.
25:38The fact that he's like kicked you in front of people is very, I've gotten pulled.
25:42Yeah.
25:42There's just a lot of stuff.
25:44Concerning.
25:45I just don't want to talk about it.
25:48I think I need to take a walk.
25:51It is frustrating to have my mom say she might not ever be able to open up to me, but
25:56I do
25:56think it's healthy to do it.
25:58And so that's why I'm encouraging her to, because I just want her to feel hurt as well.
26:02That's all.
26:13One, two, three, all eyes on me.
26:15All eyes on me.
26:16All eyes on me.
26:16When I walk in the room like what you see.
26:19Like what you see.
26:21All I eye, make it look easy.
26:23Easy.
26:24One, two, three, all eyes on me.
26:27All eyes on me.
26:27All eyes on me.
26:31All eyes on me.
26:32How are you?
26:34I'm so good.
26:35How are you?
26:36Good.
26:36How's Dancing with the Stars?
26:38I'm not going to lie.
26:38I think this has been one of the hardest things we've ever done.
26:42I mean.
26:42Really?
26:43Yeah.
26:43I mean, think about it.
26:45Having to, you know, do late night feedings, breastfeeding while I'm gone dancing five to
26:51eight hours a day.
26:52Dancing with the Stars has been one of the greatest experiences for me.
26:56It's also been one of the hardest.
26:58Oh my gosh.
26:58I'm having a mental breakdown.
26:59You know, there's been a lot of times where I have felt inadequate.
27:03Eight.
27:05Seven.
27:06Eight.
27:06All right.
27:0732 out of 40 for Jen and Jan.
27:09Ten.
27:11First tens of the season.
27:12How are you feeling, Wendy?
27:14I'm out of breath.
27:14I don't know what to say.
27:15And I do have to remember that I just had a baby.
27:20But I can't help but, you know, be hard on myself when this is everything to me.
27:25How do you feel like yours and Whitney's relationship has been doing Dancing with the Stars together?
27:30You know what?
27:31It's been, it's been cordial.
27:32I think the thing that I'm struggling with the most is, you know, how like things were
27:38left at the reunion.
27:42Yeah.
27:42I do feel like Whitney's still in Denise's corner.
27:45She continues to call me a liar when she hasn't taken accountability.
27:49I think you both played a role in where you are today.
27:52Oh, I was defending myself.
27:54I never went out of my way intentionally to hurt her.
27:57It just feels like we're kind of putting on a fake front for the sake of not having drama
28:05and trying to focus on our journey.
28:08So Jen tells me that there's a little bit of tension between her and Whitney.
28:12MomTalk is at a good place right now, and I don't want it to affect the state of MomTalk.
28:16I just hope that they can sit down, have a conversation, and work out whatever issues
28:20they're having, just like Whitney and I did.
28:22I miss you, and honestly, I'm excited to reunite once all of this craziness is, is, is...
28:29I know.
28:30We need a good coming to an end.
28:31Okay, well, I love you.
28:32Okay, I love you.
28:39You hungry?
28:41Starving, yeah.
28:41I mean, can I get a glass of pina grigia?
28:43Of course, yeah.
28:44Yeah, to it, I was pleased.
28:45Yeah, you got it.
28:47Okay, tell me about the forward interview.
28:49I feel like the meeting overall went good.
28:50They had me take some digitals, and they filmed me doing my walk and stuff.
28:53If they were to side me, I would have to be here for, like, three months to, like, get
28:58things started.
29:00Taking digitals every day, doing shoots every day.
29:02I feel like I could make it work, but it's still kind of scary.
29:05Just because what if I have, like, something important, and then also still, like, MomTalk
29:10at the end of the day, like, I still love all those girls, and I want to be able to
29:13show
29:13up for them and all the things that they have going on, I feel like that would be kind
29:16of, like, hard on our relationship, too.
29:18So it's definitely something I need to, like, think about long-term, but New York is, like,
29:22my dream.
29:23I feel like, what things I want to do, high fashion, I want to do, like, the bigger names
29:27and things like that, so I don't want to get my hopes up.
29:30Definitely, there's a lot of anxiety around it.
29:32Two months away, that's a long time.
29:35Would you, like, come and visit me as much as you could?
29:39New York?
29:39Yeah.
29:40Oh, yeah.
29:42Oh, yeah.
29:43Or would you have to, like, stay behind to, like, be a stepdaddy?
29:47I'm just kidding.
29:49No, your kids are cute as fuck.
29:51I'll for sure watch them.
29:53I don't know if I'm ready for that.
29:55Like, all jokes aside, I don't know.
29:57I think the thought of having to move away for three months when I'm just at the start
30:00of my relationship with Mason is really hard, and I feel like right now we're in the state
30:04that we're still trying to get to know each other and kind of in the honeymoon phase.
30:07However, I definitely think I would need Mason's support to make this work, and this makes
30:12me feel like I need to talk to him about him and the kids' relationship.
30:15Like, when my boys get crazy, sometimes I feel like your patience is, like, smaller from
30:19sometimes.
30:20Yeah.
30:21I try not to overstep my bounds, because, like, I know they're not mine, they're yours.
30:25Like, I love being around them.
30:26Yeah.
30:27No, and I don't want...
30:27I, like, don't want to, like, be the one that's, like, cracking the whip either, because
30:30you're not comfortable with it, because I'm like, they're not mine, and it's your call.
30:33No, frankly, if you were to discipline them, I would tell you no.
30:36I just feel like sometimes around you, they just get away with, like, murder.
30:40I see them, like, not disrespecting you, but they throw shit at you sometimes, and I'm like,
30:44okay, they're four years old, I know, but, like, I also, you'll say, don't do that, and
30:49they'll, like, hit you, and I'm just like, okay, we don't hit mom, and I just want to,
30:52like, voice that from a place that comes with a little bit of, like, I'm a little protective
30:56of you.
30:57Yeah.
30:57Like, I've seen it.
30:58I'm not saying they're, like, bad at all.
30:59They're kids.
31:01I think Mason is completely overstepping right now with what he's saying.
31:04You're not a parent, you're an uncle, and you get to say bye when the kids start being
31:08annoying, so when you actually are a parent and you have to do it full-time, 24-7, then you
31:12can talk on it.
31:13I'm their mom.
31:14I don't want you to be their dad, and, like, that's not something that I would want you
31:19to even take on until we were far, far, far, far down the line.
31:36I'm never going to be the parent that, like, screams at my kids and, like...
31:39I'm not saying screaming's the answer.
31:41Yeah.
31:41I'm just saying sometimes it's, like, you ask them to do things.
31:44Yeah, they do.
31:45And they're always going to say no if you ask them to go to bed.
31:47You feel like I don't discipline them that well.
31:49I think already I carry a lot of guilt around the fact that, like, I couldn't...
31:53Why am I, like, emotional?
31:55I feel like I couldn't keep my family together for them.
31:59And, like, I don't know.
32:01I feel like coming from, like, a broken household, like, I thought that I would give my kids the
32:04opposite one day.
32:05So I feel like I'm, like, almost trying to, like, make up for the fact that, like, I couldn't
32:10give them what, like, they deserve.
32:11I just carry a lot of guilt.
32:12So I feel like I just need to, like, give them the best life that I can.
32:16I think growing up in a broken household with parents that don't coexist very well and fight
32:22all the time and can't be in the same room without bickering and glaring at each other,
32:25I know the impact that that can have on you as a little kid.
32:29And now kind of having a co-parenting relationship with my ex where we don't really get along
32:33that well.
32:34I'm very, very, very particular about who I bring around my kids and the negative energy
32:38that they possibly could bring into our family unit.
32:41I don't even know that's how you, like, looked at it.
32:44Like, I never thought about the guilt you have.
32:48But, um, it's not obviously your fault, and you know that, but...
32:51Why am I not getting emotional?
32:53They're just, like, little innocent babies.
32:54Like, they just want to be, like, loved and, like...
32:57And I don't want my kids...
32:58I don't want to feel like my kids are a fucking burden.
33:00And I feel like that's what sometimes, like, feels like sometimes.
33:04I just will, like, look at you sometimes, and you just seem, like, so pissed off.
33:06And, like, they're three fucking years old.
33:09Like, they're babies, you know?
33:11So...
33:12Okay, mom.
33:12Sorry, I don't mean to be...
33:13It's a new scene for me.
33:15I'm learning, like, how I am with kids, too, that are that age.
33:17So I'm sorry to make you feel like they're a burden because they're not.
33:20You want to be around your kids.
33:21They're fucking so fun.
33:22I would say something.
33:23I would say something.
33:24So, so you're such a good mom.
33:26It's okay.
33:27Right?
33:27It's like, no, thank you, man.
33:30I appreciate you telling me this.
33:32I had no idea I was giving off those vibes in the first place.
33:35Thanks for being understanding.
33:40Yeah.
33:41Understanding where I'm coming from.
33:42Me and my relationship with men is definitely very hard.
33:47I grew up around verbal abuse, so it's really hard and challenging for me to let down my barriers.
33:52I'm just really lucky to be able to have Mason's support as I continue to pursue my dreams.
33:56Just having someone in your corner that's rooting for you and cheering you on is just a really nice feeling,
34:01and I'm just super grateful for him.
34:03Thanks for coming, man.
34:04How are you?
34:05I'm fine.
34:06I'm smoking.
34:08I'm such a good wine.
34:09It's the wine.
34:10It's making me emotional.
34:12It is.
34:35I know, right?
34:38It's Dakota.
34:39What the fuck?
34:41It's like, who let you out of your cage?
34:43Dakota and I are back today for day two of the Red West Music Festival.
34:46The reason that we're here solo is the girls are at a photo shoot today, and we're unable to make
34:52it.
34:52So is Shania coming today or what?
34:55Yeah.
34:55Are you at all worried about it?
34:57Am I worried about it?
34:58Yeah, bro, I'm worried about it.
35:00Are you kidding me?
35:01Why do you think I've been freaking out?
35:02Whoa.
35:04Hey, where's the VIP at?
35:06Shania's coming today, and all of MomTalk knows now as well.
35:09So I feel like I just need to have a conversation with her and maybe try to figure that out.
35:19Howdy, everyone.
35:21Hi.
35:21Oh, my gosh.
35:22Hi.
35:23How are you?
35:25Are you sick?
35:27How did you know?
35:28I don't know what else.
35:29I'm not feeling my best.
35:30Both of my kids are sick.
35:32Oh, really?
35:32I came down with it, but I could be feeling worse.
35:35Right.
35:35I am attending Red West with two of my closest friends, Latia and Shania.
35:41I am sick as a dog.
35:43The weather is horrible.
35:44We decided to go to the VIP lounge and just kind of hang out.
35:48Turns out the storm followed us inside, that storm being Dakota.
35:58There's a shelter in place.
36:00Oh, out here?
36:01Yeah.
36:02For the concerts?
36:02I mean, I guess like a storm or something.
36:09Dude, that's crazy.
36:14So, now that everyone knows, like, I'm going to hear thoughts on the whole fucking Shania.
36:18I think it's bullshit.
36:19You think it's bullshit?
36:21I told her this is a horrible idea.
36:24Yeah.
36:24Taylor, like, is going to go be the Vacherette.
36:26And, like, clearly they're still toxic.
36:28It just feels very calculated.
36:30It feels like you're intentionally picking someone that's in the group to, like, keep, like, this, like...
36:37He wanted people to know.
36:39That's what I'm saying.
36:40Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:40He wants Taylor to know, to piss her off because she's about to go be the Bachelorette.
36:44And it's calculated.
36:45And it's gross.
36:47He is an addict through and through.
36:48Anyone who else is an addict?
36:49Taylor.
36:50Taylor is an addict to chaos and an addict to Dakota.
36:53Period.
36:54It's so unfortunate.
36:57Well, cheers.
36:59After I found out about Shania and Dakota, I made it very clear this will end badly.
37:04I thought that they would make it a one-time thing and it would be done.
37:10Obviously, that didn't happen.
37:12I'm very much a person where I can just, like, be in the moment with things.
37:16And, like, I feel like that's kind of what was happening.
37:18I was just like, I'm just going to, like, let this ride and see.
37:21So, Dakota, when were you guys going to tell me about your little escapades?
37:27What?
37:30I've heard brief talks.
37:33I mean, I probably was never going to tell you, but I was hoping she would tell you.
37:38I just wish if you were going to do this, you would have done a hell of a lot better
37:40job at hiding it.
37:43Truthfully.
37:44I mean, we tried not to, like, I wasn't trying to, like, freaking be out in public, like, with Shania
37:49somewhere.
37:49But you're telling him that you're seeing someone that's in proximity to Taylor?
37:53Whoa.
37:53You know she's going to be detective mode immediately.
37:58I'm praying for both of you.
38:00I wish you both the best.
38:02It's been actually so nice knowing you.
38:04Fuck.
38:05I will write your eulogy.
38:07Hey, hold on.
38:07I think you guys should do what you guys want to do is two consenting adults.
38:11I really feel like you should.
38:13Just realize, like, that there may be repercussions.
38:15That's all.
38:17It's going to be okay.
38:18We might be a little bumpy.
38:20I have to pee.
38:23Well.
38:25Is there a panic attack?
38:28Dakota wanted this to come out immediately.
38:30You can't convince me otherwise.
38:32He, like, tries to make it sound like, oh, it has to be so hot.
38:34No.
38:36Absolutely not.
38:37Absolutely not.
38:38It's all manipulation.
38:39It's all a ploy.
38:40It's all a game.
38:40I feel so wrong what I'm doing, of course.
38:43But, like, it's working.
38:46I actually like him.
38:48Well, of course you like him because he's been love-bombing the shit out of you.
38:51I know that he's been love-bombing the shit out of me, though.
38:53Love-bombing is gross, though, if you don't like the guy.
38:56That's what I'm saying.
38:57Hey, guess what?
38:57Every guy does that, though.
38:58Guess what?
38:59It's still gross if you like him.
39:01Yeah, Miranda was pretty hot and heavy about it.
39:03And I...
39:03Yeah, bro.
39:04She was way hot and heavy about it.
39:05Dakota wanted everyone to know about this.
39:08He doesn't care about you like that.
39:11He's not looking out for your best interest.
39:12You need to do that.
39:14Does he maybe have, like, a little bit of an interest in you?
39:16For sure.
39:16But the thing is, is, like, he does not know you.
39:18I know you could do a hell of a lot better than you do.
39:23Okay?
39:24You're so right.
39:25Actually, you're so right.
39:26Like, chill out.
39:27Miranda, you know exactly how fucking Taylor is.
39:29You've seen it literally happen a million times.
39:31I am always somehow the one that is always in wrong.
39:35Taylor thought she would get to seek Dakota's potential.
39:37Guess what?
39:38He had a baby with her.
39:39And look at him.
39:40He never looked up to her.
39:41He can prevent everyone wrong if he wants to.
39:44That's up to him.
39:44That's not your problem.
39:45I have a great idea.
39:46Let's wrap that up and move on.
39:50Being friends with Taylor, you know, being longstanding friends with Shania, it puts me in the middle.
39:57And obviously she knew everything that went on in the past between Taylor and I and that a man getting
40:04between our friendship, like, that's a sensitive thing for the both of us.
40:07And subjecting us both to that is just disappointing.
40:14Can we talk, please?
40:15Can we talk, please?
40:16Yeah.
40:16Are you okay?
40:17I don't know.
40:18I just genuinely, I just want to make this very clear to you.
40:22I have been enjoying hanging out with you, and I mean that.
40:28I just feel like Taylor kind of still can get to me.
40:32It's just so intense.
40:33Like, I just wish I didn't have to always deal with that.
40:36Why would you bring me into this show?
40:39That's so cool.
40:41I don't know if he should be dating yet.
40:43I want to, like, I think my issue is, is I am just in a shitty position in general.
40:51Like, I want to, like, move on.
40:52I want to try to move forward with everything, okay?
40:55Like, I want to make that very clear.
40:56Because I don't want, you know, like, Miranda or anybody to, like, convince you otherwise.
41:02Everyone, that's what everyone's saying.
41:03I know, I mean, I'm, look, I'm so sorry.
41:05I really am.
41:06I'm so sorry for me.
41:09What do you want to do now?
41:14What do you want to do now?
41:18What do you want to do now?
41:18What do you want to do now?
41:20What do you want to do now?
41:23What do you want to do now?
41:25What do you want to do now?
41:25My mom is taking a walk to clear her head, and she hasn't been answering her phone, so
41:29I drive towards our childhood home to see if that's where she was, because I had a feeling
41:34that she would, you know, gravitate towards that.
41:41Found you.
41:42You doing okay?
41:43Yeah.
41:45What are you trying to go back to your old house?
41:48Yeah, I want to go by there.
41:49Yeah?
41:50Yeah.
41:50Okay.
41:51Well, we can go over there.
41:52I actually want to go see it, too.
41:56Are you okay?
41:57Yeah.
41:58It's just hard.
41:59Yeah?
41:59I know.
42:00I'm sorry.
42:02This just brings back so many memories.
42:04It's wild.
42:04Oh, my gosh.
42:07That's crazy.
42:08Oh, look at these trees your dad planted.
42:10They're huge.
42:11Oh, my gosh.
42:11This is so weird.
42:13Oh, my God.
42:13It's not.
42:16Do you know who lives here?
42:18I don't remember their names.
42:19I don't know if it's the same people that I sold it to.
42:22We're about to find out.
42:23They took out the trees right here, too.
42:25You should stay with the Mormon missionaries.
42:27Can we have five minutes of your time?
42:28Okay, this is probably going to be so creeped out.
42:30Oh, my gosh.
42:31Yeah, this is so weird.
42:33Ladies, can I help you?
42:34Hi.
42:35Yes.
42:36Okay, so this used to be our old house I grew up in until I was 15, 16.
42:41Yes, I'm Leanne.
42:42I don't know if you were the...
42:43Leanne, where's Muldoon?
42:43I thought we met by...
42:45Yes, because was it like 15 years ago?
42:4716.
42:4816?
42:48Has it been that long?
42:49Oh, it's wild.
42:50Can we do a locker room in the house, like outside?
42:52Okay, thank you so much.
42:54I appreciate you.
42:55Cute.
42:57This is so crazy.
42:59Is it so sad for you?
43:01Sentimental, huh?
43:02Your dad just, like, planted every tree in here.
43:05Remember, you used to take pictures on this, like, rock?
43:08This rock.
43:08And dad would put helmets on us, and he would be like, okay, ready?
43:12And he'd throw balls at our heads.
43:13Yeah.
43:14I had my last party here, and I got in so much trouble because I went over here in the
43:18trees
43:18and was kissing, and dad saw through the window.
43:22Good memories.
43:24Bad memories to good memories.
43:25I guess you're right.
43:26Bad memories to good memories, huh?
43:29I think we came here more for trying to get answers of, do I have siblings out there?
43:32What is out there?
43:33I don't know.
43:34But at the end of the day, I feel like I have you, and I have my dad, Jeremy, that's
43:39been
43:39here since day one.
43:41And I've never called him anything other than dad, because he is my dad.
43:45You know?
43:45He raised me.
43:47I'm just grateful that Jeremy stepped in the role of being my dad, and I couldn't have
43:51gotten a better father.
43:52You've been through a lot, a lot of trauma, and I don't want to bring it up again, because
43:56I know it's hard to hear, but, like, all the abuse, I don't know the extent of that,
43:59and that is horrible to hear.
44:02And especially when he said that to you, like, you know, I got sick for you.
44:05And I feel really bad, and that's on me for not, like, you know, considering your feelings
44:10on that.
44:10So you share whatever you want.
44:13Continuing, moving forward, I'm not going to pray anymore.
44:14Well, I owe you that.
44:16Like, I understand where your curiosity and where you want to know, you know, who your
44:21biological dad is.
44:23Like, anybody would want to know that, right?
44:26It's just, you know, I would have loved to have had that, like, family, but it just wasn't
44:31going to happen.
44:31Like, I always just look out for your best interest.
44:34I always wanted you to be happy.
44:39I chose not to go with him.
44:43Because of you.
44:44We just would have went down the wrong road, all three of us, and it just wouldn't have
44:49been healthy.
44:50You made the right decision.
44:51I did.
44:52I think this trip overall helped my mother and I in our relationship.
44:55Definitely gives me some insight on different patterns I would like to break in my family.
45:01There's parallels with Dakota.
45:02The toxicity in the relationship, the recovering, being a recovering addict, and mom, you know,
45:07finding her happy relationship, her healthy relationship in my dad, Jeremy.
45:11It's something I long for, I want to find.
45:13So I think, you know, moving forward with The Bachelorette is, like, something I want
45:16to aim towards.
45:17I appreciate you even coming out here with me.
45:19I know it's been a lot today.
45:21I'm sorry for you.
45:23And I'm sorry for yelling at you the way I did all the way up here.
45:25I just, there's, yeah, a lot of anger in me, too.
45:28I know.
45:29There's a lot of anger.
45:29And you don't deserve that because I think you're an amazing mom.
45:32I think you're an amazing mom.
45:33It means a lot to be here and to feel Taylor's love.
45:38That makes me so happy that her dad is enough, and so am I.
45:42But I want her to feel like she's enough.
45:46No matter how Brian felt, like, she just deserves better.
45:51This is your story in your life.
45:53I know it brings up a lot.
45:54What's your story?
45:55I'm a part of it, but it's yours.
45:57We're a part of each other.
45:59That's true.
46:00I love you.
46:01I love you, too.
46:02A lot.
46:05I love you so much.
46:07I'm a little bit older.
46:09I promise.
46:10I'm the best gumbler.
46:11I love you, too.
46:12I love you, too.
46:13I love you, too.
46:20When you get a little older, you get a little boulder.
46:24That's right.
46:25And you don't really care what the people got to say, do you?
46:29No.
46:30Because you're going to do everything that you want to do your way.
46:33Yep.
46:34Hello.
46:35Hi.
46:36How are you?
46:36Good.
46:37How are you?
46:37Good.
46:38Just trying to get all this food ready.
46:40Ooh, yeah.
46:40That's good.
46:41I know.
46:42I just got back from New York, and Jessie invited us all over to her house to have a
46:46little mom talk meeting and discuss the pleasant news of Dakota and Shania and how we're going
46:52to navigate that for Taylor and letting her know.
46:55She leaves for the bachelorette in the week, and I would just hate to set her back when
46:58she's done all of this positive work to be in a better headspace.
47:01Hello.
47:02Hello.
47:03Is that the jacket Shania borrowed at stagecoach?
47:06How ironic.
47:07Yeah, no, literally.
47:08I know.
47:08I was looking through my coats last night, and I was like, wait, why do I have this?
47:12That's hilarious.
47:13Do you guys want to take your shoes off and there's toys upstairs?
47:15I'm going to sit because this might be a long one.
47:17Hi.
47:18Hello.
47:19Taylor is in Colorado with her mom, so she's kind of blue.
47:22She's blissfully unaware of what's going on.
47:24I'm wondering, do we tell Taylor right away when she gets back?
47:26Do we wait?
47:27It's really tricky with Taylor because if you tell her, she's going to crash out.
47:31But if you don't tell her, she's going to probably crash out later.
47:33We want what's best for her, and we don't want her sabotaging bachelorette because that
47:37is our priority is to get her on that show so she can move on with her life.
47:41I just want to eat you.
47:42I know.
47:43She's so cute.
47:44I feel like we always have meetings here.
47:45It's like, place.
47:46I know.
47:46I know.
47:47So I called you guys here because I feel like we all found out about this Shania stuff at separate
47:50times, and I thought coming together to make sure we come up with a plan about Taylor because
47:54I feel like if one of us tells her, it's going to blow up.
47:57Taylor is going to be representing MomTalk to a whole nother audience with the bachelorette
48:01viewers, and it could have consequences for not only her, but also MomTalk.
48:07I'm like, don't mess it up for us, Taylor.
48:10I am worried about Dakota telling her.
48:11Yeah, I've been curious.
48:13When did you find out?
48:14I only knew about the first night they hung out and, like, that night.
48:18I actually think they're both in the wrong.
48:19I don't think this is all Dakota.
48:20I think she also should have known better.
48:22It affects, because now I'm put in a bad position.
48:24Yeah, it's awkward.
48:24And I'm like, that's what pisses me off is you knew that this was going to put me in
48:27a shitty position.
48:28I know I will be put in the middle once Taylor finds out, and that is why part of me
48:35is screaming,
48:35you need to tell her.
48:37But the other part of me feels like I'm giving Dakota exactly what he wants if I tell her.
48:42What was her reasoning for that?
48:44Like, I'm just curious, because, like, she knows how shitty he is.
48:46I just think the stuff that he says to these women.
48:48Oh, he makes them feel like they are the most special person on the planet.
48:51I know, but we all dated a guy like that.
48:52It's love-bombing.
48:54It's like he did it to Taylor, and Taylor's still in it four years later.
48:57I know.
48:57So I'm like, what Dakota told Jordan is that him and Shania had made an agreement to
49:01only exclusively sleep with each other.
49:03Oh, no, she told me that that night, that first night, he goes, so what if we made, like,
49:07a sex pact?
49:08A sex pact?
49:09The next day, she told me about it, she was like, I don't, this feels really weird,
49:13and I'm like, Shania, that is, like, psychopathic.
49:16That is.
49:16He, like, wants everything, wants his cake, he wants to eat it, too.
49:19Like, he needs to have, like, lock him down, like, you only get me, and then he's gonna
49:22go, like, screw everyone else.
49:24Okay, I'm fine keeping this from Taylor, but if she straight up asks me, how do I lie to
49:27her face?
49:29But also, it kind of sucks, because she's gonna get pissed at us.
49:31If she knows every single one of us knows, she's going to be livid.
49:34I just lied to her face, I think you just said, like, we know, and we just, we're not
49:38telling you because you spiral, and we can't trust what you're gonna do with the information.
49:41No, I can't say that.
49:43We're always tiptoeing around her feelings, and, like, at the end of the day, you have
49:46to save yourself.
49:47We are all trying to save her, and she's, it's honestly just making her do worse things.
49:50I know.
49:51That's true.
49:55I genuinely can't decide, like, morally, if it's better for Taylor not to know her,
49:58or it's better for her to find out.
49:59Same.
50:00There's something else he did, though.
50:02And I feel like if he finds, she finds out about Shania, it's gonna spiral into the other
50:06thing, and I'm, if she finds out the other thing, she genuinely won't go.
50:11What is it?
50:12He hooked up with Jenna and, like, basically almost had sex with her, like, a couple weeks
50:16ago.
50:17Jenna was the girl that Dakota was hooking up with back in the beginning of Taylor and
50:22Dakota's relationship.
50:23He lied about whatever situationship he had with her.
50:26Jenna is such a huge trigger for Taylor.
50:30It's a complete slap in the face.
50:32He was, like, texting me all day this day.
50:33He came over to your house, and he's saying, thank you for letting me crash at your house,
50:36and he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me.
50:39So, yeah.
50:43Oh, my God.
50:45God, this is a mess.
50:46The man continues to stoop lower.
50:48We thought he went to hell, but hell has a basement.
50:51Shut the hell up.
50:58If this comes out, it's all gonna spiral.
51:01Taylor's still in Colorado.
51:02She's literally about to go be the bachelorette.
51:05Why do I get this opportunity out of all the girls that want this?
51:08Just because you come with some baggage.
51:10Some.
51:12I'm sorry.
51:13What do you want, man?
51:14I don't want to feel loved by my wife again.
51:16What would you do then?
51:17Like, just separate?
51:18Maybe we don't get back together until we can commit to our relationship.
51:22I'm not trying to hurt you.
51:23You're not vindictive, but I do think you're selfish.
51:25I just don't know what will happen.
51:26I'll probably lose millions.
51:27Do you feel like your relationship with Whitney has improved?
51:29I don't think you care about me.
51:31Jen, I was the one that vouched for you every fucking time.
51:36I'm over it.
51:38Hello?
51:38I'm gonna ask you one time.
51:40How long have you known?
51:41She's gonna get called out like the fucking hell she is.
51:43Once Taylor sees red...
51:45I'm gonna fucking fuck them up.
51:46What are you doing?
51:48It's the downfall of mom talk once again.
51:55You know what I'm doing.
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