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00:11so i called you guys here because i feel like we all found out about this jenna stuff at
00:14separate times if she finds out the other thing she genuinely won't what is it he hooked up with
00:21jenna and like basically almost had sex with her like a couple weeks ago shut the hell up
00:26jenna is the girl that dakota lied about early on in their relationship he was like texting me all
00:30day this day he came over to your house and he's saying thank you for letting me crash at your
00:34house and he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me so yeah and
00:37on top
00:38of that i have a pickleball tournament shania was like pouring her heart out to taylor and then that
00:42same night shania goes and sleeps with taylor's baby daddy update me he got back with his life
00:47this is why i can't trust people anybody oh my gosh this is so bad if this comes out it's
00:54all good like
00:54i just feel like it's gonna spiral and i also think dakota wants everything to come out he does
00:58once again i'm caught in the middle between two friends and betrayal going on there i have known
01:04shania for nearly a decade truly like a ride or die type of friendship was this a massive lapse in
01:13judgment for her absolutely but at the end of the day even though i don't agree with her i obviously
01:18love and care for her she's gonna find out there's no way she's not either he's gonna tell her we
01:23are
01:23you guys we have your party tomorrow and we're with her how is it not coming out like i think
01:27the truth will always come out and i just feel like if we can possibly cushion her finding out
01:31i think it possibly could be better i think the best person coming from is shania for sure i'm
01:36actually scared i am too i'm scared for her she's gonna get eaten up is shania going to the center
01:41sunday i mean i don't know i didn't invite her because i'm not like she would that be the time
01:46to tell
01:46taylor it might be the time i think it's a pro to do it while people are around because then
01:52she won't
01:52overreact oh yeah that actually might be a good idea then we can also explain why we didn't tell
01:57her taylor's still in colorado but she's coming home soon so with the bachelorette coming up
02:02macy's center sunday event and the main title shoot to be honest this news could really shake
02:07her up and we have to handle it the right way miranda you need to ask her if she'll come
02:11and
02:11tell her tomorrow well since when she called me this morning she's like i want to tell taylor i feel
02:14like she should know i was like i gotta get going because i need to stop by home depot and
02:18get a
02:18bigger shovel so i can get a head start on both of your fucking graves you're a dead man both
02:22of
02:22you you're dead and there's nothing i can do to save you
02:37i'm the one you've been dreaming of i got everything you could ever want try me in your sleep i'll
02:48bring you to your knees baby you're gonna believe
03:02you
03:27i feel like the scooter is more work than a bike well it's easier to carry home too when it's
03:33well you don't carry it home you say you brought it you're gonna carry it home you don't listen to
03:38me
03:38i just took this trip to colorado it was healing overall helped my mother and i in our relationship
03:44i think we came back to like family and love and it's just really giving each other that grace
03:48before the bachelorette so i can actually go out there and not like choose someone that's not for
03:52me sabotage it you know i really think it'll be good for me obviously i got married jumped into the
03:58first guy i went out with i ended up being in a relationship with had a baby with it's like
04:01i think
04:02it's gonna be such a cool experience regardless of the outcome yeah obviously fingers crossed it's
04:06always good and like you meet your person but if not it can teach you a lot of learning lessons
04:10too
04:10i think it's gonna be something that is gonna change your life after all everything that you've
04:16been through and all the pain and suffering that you've been through i think that's something that
04:22you deserve i i don't know i'm like why do i get this opportunity out of like any like all
04:28the girls
04:28that want this like i come with so much baggage like who's gonna want me i do feel like a
04:33lot of
04:33guilt all the time for that just because you come with some baggage some you do have like a lot
04:40of
04:40amazing qualities and someone's gonna see that and they're gonna want that well look at all the
04:45people that follow her like millions of followers don't follow you because you're this horrible person
04:51like you need to give yourself credit when somebody is looking for love and they're looking for that
04:57wife to me i would think that they that's what they're looking for that quality of a mother
05:02yeah and to me you're the best mom there are good guys out there you're not all like mr they're
05:08not
05:08all i know sometimes you have to go through things and things happen for a reason for you to end
05:15up
05:15somewhere much higher yeah i think it's time for you to choose taylor
05:23yeah
05:35do i look exhausted to you yes you look very exhausted i've been rehearsing non-stop with dancing
05:43with the stars and working my ass off and i also have to fly this week to utah for our
05:49main title
05:49shoot so it's nice that zach and i get to decompress catch up and spend time together
05:58how are you feeling about the contestants and the whole everyone oh i love the cast the cast is
06:03awesome i feel like i've equally gotten close to everyone the pros have been so helpful yeah it's
06:09been awesome how do you feel like do you feel like your relationship with whitney's improved or
06:13where do you feel like that's at no if anything i feel like we've got we've become more distant
06:26i have like 30 minutes okay and then i have to leave again all righty no problem
06:32well how was your day i just had a really bad camera block day like it was a horrible day
06:37and mark and i were talking in the hallway i was just like letting out all my emotions and jen
06:41walked out and was like hey are people talking shit about you on social media i'm like that's
06:47not why i'm crying but thanks oh man i did not think i was even going to be making it
06:53this far
06:53through the competition which is crazy but can be very hard because you're seeing the comments and
07:00stuff online for me it can be very emotionally taxing i just want you to say hey like i'm here
07:07for
07:08you what can what can i do yeah her hyping me up in the background saying vote for jen
07:14when she like never reaches out it's never call you or text you all week and then when the cameras
07:20are on and millions of people are watching suddenly she's your your biggest fan that bothers me i was
07:27expecting that our friendship was going to grow through this process but we haven't talked to each
07:32other throughout dancing with the stars like there hasn't really been any relationship i mean we
07:37barely talk i don't know if i told you this but when i went out and took the kids out
07:40with connor i
07:41don't know if you've heard but whitney got offered a spot on broadway
07:47yeah on chicago i think to be the the main character like the leading role so i think she's
07:53planning on moving out there come january dang she can't be the main character of mom talk she'll be the
07:59main character for broadway it's perfect
08:25hey hi what's up
08:27oh just got done working out nice you want to help me yes i don't realize until i see you
08:34next
08:34to the bedding that this is really pink yeah it's pretty pink i feel like the lds upbringing i had
08:40does make it a lot easier to sweep things under the rug and just pretend that things are good when
08:45they're not jordan and i are still struggling a bit but i don't think i'm ready to take the next
08:50step of like filing for divorce at this point but i definitely wonder okay what are the repercussions
08:55i have to be smart about this for my kids and my future and my business well lady world was
09:00fun i'm
09:01sad you weren't there oh but i didn't tell you what they announced me and us when they announced
09:06to me and i came out she said jesse nasty car that's hilarious it's funny but it's also like hard
09:15for me
09:16because i feel like in this industry having a name that's easy like makes sense like taylor paul that
09:20rolls off your tongue you remember it yeah when taylor gets married she'll change her name no that's her
09:25ex-husband's last name she's keeping it because she has been taylor paul since she had a following
09:32the reason i wanted to talk about that is because i i told you this before that i do feel
09:36like going
09:37by draper would be better i'm not trying to do it to hurt you it's not a dig at you
09:41it's really
09:42just about the name you're not vindictive but i do think you're selfish that's great it's just the
09:48way i feel it's not being condescending okay it's not condescending it's just genuinely the way that i
09:53feel if i was condescending i would say other things that's what scares me is i feel like it's always
09:58under the surface like the stuff you want to say and you're just not you know because that's not
10:01who i am anymore and i've proven that a lot of my issues coordinate with you making decisions that
10:06are selfish you know deep down i think we both know that going by my maiden name draper gives me
10:12freedom again which i feel like i haven't had in a long time if i start going by draper now
10:17if we did
10:17get divorced in the future it wouldn't be a huge change for my career so i do just kind of
10:23feel like
10:23it's the safest thing to do right now it feels selfish and that's okay you told me it was selfish
10:34yourself
10:35you ready to hit some balls sure am ready to whoop your out
10:50oh you did hit the curb oh well it's fine it's fine my center sunday event is tonight and honestly
10:57my stress levels are at an all-time high because i know that shania is coming and she's about to
11:01confess her wrongdoing with dakota so i definitely need to blow off some steam so i'm taking a little
11:06tennis lesson i thought it would be fun for us to just you know hit some balls and grunt a
11:12little bit
11:12i'm just kidding oh hi danny let's go cougs you call us cougs cougars oh cougar not too
11:21all right now that i have been kind of far removed from tennis for the last seven years i kind
11:26of
11:27stopped once my college career ended and i honestly miss it so much my prime is here
11:31no way you don't even know what i got this is the start of my new career right you ready
11:38for this
11:38prepare to be amazed all right and it came so fast and it's time for my tennis career
11:46to take off once again are you gonna start playing again yeah there we go
11:56oh you're there ah give me another yep you're doing great thank you there we go there we go there
12:04she
12:04is how does it feel to be back out here feels good but it's like i'm in slow motion did
12:10i tell you i'm
12:11back to therapy you did well we did like a couples therapy thing how was that i mean it was
12:16fine i
12:17feel like i just i feel like i'm at a point where like when i get really angry i'm like
12:22okay fine then
12:22go have sex with someone like leave me alone almost like no like actually like i'm like i feel like
12:27i'm
12:28working on so many different things outside of just sex and i know that obviously he can't just be
12:32like okay well we can just go without that we both get to a point where we feel really helpless
12:35about
12:35it because he's like i feel like you don't have the motivation to do it i'm like i don't think
12:39i have
12:40motivation to do it right now because i know that it's really hard to work through jace and i
12:44haven't made really any progress as far as our intimacy and our sex life goes i'm obviously very
12:49attracted to jace and i want to be married to him it makes me sad that i'm not able to
12:54meet his needs
12:55and i know that there's only so long that he can be patient with me for
13:04hey there he is what's up my guy how are you doing i'm not bad how are you so i
13:12just wanted to um
13:14get your advice it's between mikaela and i we're still kind of dealing with the same struggles that
13:20we've been dealing with for a long time the intimacy side of our relationship it feels like
13:25we both kind of feel like we're stuck i mean yeah man that's a scary thing to be in right
13:29now
13:30and i feel for you kissing is harder for me than sex because i think kissing is more intimate for
13:36me
13:36and i obviously have triggers with kissing sometimes i'll go through the day and i'm
13:40i'm holding down the fort like you i'm holding down the fort at home and then also we just had
13:45this
13:45newborn i'm doing everything i can sometimes when mikaela will come home and she'll want
13:50for me then to start taking care of her which i want to do but i need to to take
13:58care of my needs
13:58also but also it's not fair for me like if i'm not feeling like working on it to like keep
14:03dragging
14:04it along like yeah i'm gonna work on it eventually like what would you do then like just separate
14:09i don't know what are you wanting what do you want man
14:25i'm sorry
14:31more than anything and more than like the actual sex i just want to feel like i can connect with
14:38my
14:39wife again yeah and i want to feel um i want to feel loved by my wife
14:48that's got to feel incredibly lonely and isolating we're stuck in this place that we've been stuck in
14:54for like four years should i just go away from the house for a couple weeks and not have the
15:00pressures of trying to fix the intimacy issues right now but i have this baby i want to focus
15:06on being the best mom for her and being the best wife but i'm also lost because i don't know
15:11how to
15:11handle it and part of me is like i want to be done but i also know i don't want
15:14to be done so i'm
15:15like what do i do i don't know
15:37hello hi i'm gonna ask you one time how long have you known a week i took this trip to
15:43colorado it
15:44was healing i was feeling better she's such a slut bag hoe to me like i almost thought it was
15:48a joke
15:49i thought it was a joke because i'm gonna fucking ruin her dakota and i were texting and i find
15:53out
15:54that dakota sleeping with shania i'm sorry i don't even care what this does to me i i act on
15:59impulse
15:59unfortunately so i don't give a fuck after he told me everything i was like it's all on purpose it's
16:04not
16:04like he's trying to go out and move on it's who it is to get at me and it's disgusting
16:08again and it
16:09takes me back again it's fucking gross you have to admit you have to admit i haven't i i i
16:16couldn't i
16:16could not agree more with you and she knows that and i've said that why did she do it i
16:20wish i knew
16:25and i'm sorry for what that i didn't say anything sooner but i also
16:33well so you guys all left to dakota to tell me
16:38right before i leave i thought there was maybe loyalty on mom talk and like to me it's the
16:43sneakiness of it if you know you're sneaking it that means you know how bad it is i cannot believe
16:47that mom talk would protect shania a snake over me is she going tonight i don't know i guarantee she
16:57doesn't show up i will fucking call you out so just let you know cat yeah be ready for it
17:02i'm gonna
17:03have to have a discussion with all my fucking so-called friends because this is what i fucking
17:07found out from him and all my friends knew and i don't want to fucking hear oh we knew you're
17:14going
17:14we don't want to hurt your feelings you guys fucking knew i would know you knew that you guys
17:19all knew you're not you've got to be smarter than that i'm sure you guys are i also i don't
17:24think i
17:25knew dakota the way that you do and i genuinely thought that he would would want to keep it under
17:30wraps and then to know that he didn't and he wanted but this is your nasty asshole friend
17:36yeah and i'm not i'm also pissed at her taylor and i have both worked really hard to rebuild our
17:42friendship it would be so beyond disappointing if a man were to be the downfall of us once again
17:53i hate her and so right now i am very busy because i got to edit some videos because i
17:58fucking ate her
18:19hi
18:24oh my goodness lucky me you're all ready to sin center sunday is basically a page where people
18:33can anonymously confess their sins and it gets very juicy and so this event is going to be really fun
18:39because it's my center community coming out to just have a fun time
18:43it is her
18:44your hair looks so good
18:46did you run it
18:48i did
18:48what kind of a makeup look are you doing
18:50i like the one from the picture i sent you
18:52i'm so excited that's going to look so good
18:54you're like a little dramatic you know
18:59are you kidding
19:01dakota i think told tooler
19:03miranda just texted and said just got off the phone with taylor
19:05she hates all of us for not telling her are you serious
19:11that's so unfair when we're all just trying to look out for her not being a
19:14mental patient and not being able to go to the bachelorette because of it
19:18taylor just called me
19:19shit
19:20okay
19:21just call her back
19:22because i could see her not on it
19:24it's fine
19:24i'll hold you
19:25okay
19:26hi
19:26hey how are you
19:27uh horrible what's up
19:29um so i just want you to know that the rest of us found out about this just recently
19:34and i know um i just want you to know that we just weren't going to tell you
19:39quite yet just because we didn't want your mental state
19:42to be
19:42it's fine my mental state's fucked now so what does everyone want to say now
19:45hey taylor you need to understand that we've been nothing but good friends to you
19:48and i'm trying to be there for you so will you please not be like that
19:50go for it
19:52there is something else to code has done that you need to know about
19:55how do you feel
19:57i mean are you coming tonight
19:58just can you just say it
19:59i'm tired of being tortured at this point can you just say it
20:02okay
20:04he hooked up with janna and like basically almost had sex with her like a couple weeks
20:08ago
20:09okay
20:10so he's a piece of shit and i hope you really see that
20:13and i found out about this a day ago and it was after the shy stuff and i was like
20:18yeah
20:18i'm not hiding this from taylor like he's a piece of crap so
20:21you deserve to know that's what i'm telling you
20:25okay thank you for telling me
20:27no it's fine i'm gonna fucking light them all up
20:32and it's coming for fucking jenna too jenna
20:35she tried multiple times to get me on her podcast and like begging me and like
20:39trying to help me and then does that behind my back
20:43it's disgusting really
20:44the fuck is wrong with people they also look so stupid too
20:48your feelings are valid
20:49i know i know that they're valid and i have every right to call her out
20:53no taylor jacota's a piece of shit for doing this
20:55we're not talking about jacota we're talking about the bitch
20:57i already posted about shania
20:58i just did a video with her
20:59with a fucking little sneak
21:00but i don't want you to compromise
21:10i come back to this bullshit again about who the mother effing girl is and it's disgusting
21:19because there's so much like history emotion
21:21it's just like oh here we go again
21:24i just yeah i want to let it go
21:26because like i'm literally just suffering
21:27like i'm suffering because i won't like i resist letting it go
21:30obviously it controls like my decisions and my emotions
21:33and i'm just like tired i'm like physically exhausted
21:35take a night i get that but like don't let this ruin the bachelorette for you
21:39that'll be the biggest regret you ever do
21:41because you know you're not going to be with me ever again
21:43you've said that
21:44we all want this for you taylor
21:45like we all want you to move on and be happy
21:47yeah i know i hear you guys um
21:49we're on your side though just know that
21:57but i am sorry and shania sucks
21:59and i can't believe she did this and same with jenna
22:03i hope you guys have fun tonight
22:05this has been happening for three years
22:06dakota definitely purposely hooks up with friends in taylor's circle to piss her off
22:10and like i feel like it's almost an isolation tactic too
22:12like sleep with all her friends so she no longer has those friends
22:15and then she'll come running back to him
22:17i think it reeks of desperation if i'm being completely honest
22:20we'll leave you alone but i just i want you to know we love you and we're here for you
22:23and if you need anything we're here
22:26okay thank you
22:26all right bye
22:29okay bye
22:34i'm sorry
22:37i already did it
22:39we need to look at the video she posted
22:41just found out the snake in the middle is sleeping with my baby daddy
22:44meanwhile crying to me because she just got dumped by a married man
22:48i think this doesn't look good for her to post things
22:50that's what i'm saying
22:50like what are you doing
22:52what is she doing
22:52and taylor gets comments
22:53ooh keep being petty queen
22:55and people vibe her up
22:56and that's why she keeps doing it
22:57and she's known for that
22:58but it's getting to a point
22:59where it's not okay
23:00oh this is a nightmare
23:15i'm walking into macy's center sunday party with jace
23:19and i feel like i'm in a pressure cooker with the separation issue
23:22because i feel like i'm also a little bit lost of what to do right now
23:26and so i don't fully know what to communicate to the other girls in mom talk
23:30so i'm just trying to put on this
23:32we're good
23:34we're here to support macy
23:36oh spooky
23:37oh my god
23:39oh this is kind of scary
23:40so good
23:41hey
23:42like should we do a praying one
23:44or is that religious
23:46oh damn
23:47a little satanic
23:48more than i expected
23:51oh all right
23:52shopped in
23:53oh my god
23:54you went straight from akilah
23:55how is everyone
23:56not great
23:57i'm not great
23:58taylor she's
23:59oh yeah she's
24:00oh she's a mess right now
24:01she's already still
24:01why is she not a mess
24:02i want to have you
24:03we were doing it for you
24:05so that you wouldn't ruin this experience that you're leaving for in four days
24:08she's like i'm gonna call everyone out i'm gonna ruin their lives
24:11i think taylor is valid in her feelings
24:13however doesn't feel good as a friend
24:15that i continue to have your back time and time again
24:18but the second i do you wrong in your eyes
24:22i'm a shit friend and you don't want to be around me
24:25and it's just
24:26it's really
24:27it's really hurtful
24:33hello
24:35how is everyone thriving
24:38i'm just frustrated
24:39i'm over this whole situation
24:40i am too
24:41how do you feel about that
24:44okay so what do we do
24:46after i found out about shania dakota i did not withhold that information with malicious intent
24:53but once taylor sees red it's hard to reason with her
24:57oh you guys i'm bit drained
25:29it's so hard to approach to the story
25:30it's hard
25:31i understand her being upset but the thing is what are you supposed to do when you're put in a
25:35situation like this and shania's been your best friend for how many years
25:38it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong
25:48it's all the guys that shania's walked in
25:50who shania did
25:50oh my god she has a lot of balls
25:52she does
25:53i'm like scared
25:54so she doesn't know taylor's not coming
25:56i think so
25:57so what do we do now like
25:58shania sit down
25:59yeah we need to talk to you
26:00oh
26:02wait who's calling you
26:03oh taylor
26:04speak of the devil
26:05hello
26:06hi
26:07hi
26:08how are you doing
26:10we're here with lila miranda and jesse
26:22i don't know
26:23shania just walked up here so i'm like we'll call you after
26:25yeah we'll call you
26:26i'll call you after
26:27and i'll give you an update
26:28okay bye
26:33you guys pull up the chair
26:38hi
26:38hi mom
26:39ah
26:40macy
26:40mind if i squeeze in here
26:42hi
26:42hi
26:43i want to understand shania because i really don't know what her intentions are but i also don't
26:48understand why she's going for dakota like what's wrong like seriously like salt lake isn't that small like can we
26:54not find someone else
26:55is it not gross to you that he's like slept with other girls in between all this
26:58well he also makes it sound like he hasn't
27:00that's what i'm saying like he's lying to you
27:02he's like let's have a sex pact but i'm gonna go fuck the next day like
27:05already been seeing each other for what like a week and a half
27:08and he's and he's literally lied to you at least
27:12at least at least like 10 pounds in that span
27:15no i think that's like ridiculous i don't know why he's trying to do that i'm like that's
27:19extra like this is dakota like we've seen him do it to taylor for years i just want you to
27:22know that like
27:23yeah you're not an exception i think he's gonna do it he did it already
27:27do you see a potential future of him
27:31to a point like with him yes with dakota
27:35this is the first time i'm hearing this okay him as a person yes
27:41so i guess my question is if you were gonna talk to taylor tonight but you still plan on seeing
27:45him
27:45like what was that conversation gonna go like
27:48i never meant it to her taylor like i saw her with ben and i saw her she's going on
27:53the bachelor i knew all the things but i'm just like i don't
27:58i don't know i didn't i didn't think it would be like this
28:02taylor just tells me
28:04and he's gonna literally like you
28:07oh okay sorry we'll be right back
28:11taylor's blowing up my phone right now and i can't answer because shania is right across the
28:14table so we have to go outside so that we can see what's going on
28:18hey mom talk
28:22yeah hi okay we're outside i think she thought you were coming because she was going to tell you
28:27about all of this and what world is there to say anything at this point like i guess i don't
28:32know
28:32the agenda there what is she coming by now there's nothing that she could possibly fucking say and i
28:36want to know if miranda's gonna be friends with this bitch so because she just posted a video for
28:40three days ago and you're telling me if miranda if you can hear me you've been you've known for a
28:44fucking week and you just post what so yeah i can hear you loud and clear
28:47okay good bottom clear so you posted with her oh well just three days ago when you knew this
28:52about her and you're like saying i'm sorry you got caught in a fucking video it's disgusting by the
28:56way i didn't know i didn't know i found the rest of it out when everyone else did the rest
29:01of what
29:01i knew about the first night they hung out that's all i knew about you knew that they fucked don't
29:06lie don't lie that's what i'm saying i just knew about that night i didn't know that they kept
29:09seeing each other i don't care about how many times and what night you knew taylor i think at the
29:14end
29:14of the day like it doesn't change it doesn't matter the time frame that everyone knew her
29:18intention of not telling you was not malicious it was to protect you absolutely does as a friend
29:23absolutely i'm like oh you chose shania's little sneaky snake ass over mine do i agree with that
29:28no because i think shania's true colors will come out as they always do and let's see this is a
29:34hard
29:34situation for miranda and she's trying to navigate it i you have i don't care what's fucking fair i can't
29:40people can make a mistake taylor you've played plenty of mistakes before in your life
29:44you know no matter what taylor this would have hurt you no matter when you found out
29:53it's painful it's shitty it's sucks it's fucked it's disgusting truly call you after
29:59so you feel like you feel like you have to like choose now yeah one is triggering i'm sure it's
30:03triggering for you in that friendship yeah i guess she's heated but also like
30:08well you see shania's been a better friend to me than taylor ever has yeah and that's what
30:12is hard taylor giving me an ultimatum on choosing her or shania is frustrating because i'm not your
30:20partner and i'm not your child i'm your friend and i'm pretty sure that taylor is not gonna like my
30:25decision from where i'm standing right now maybe just use this as an opportunity to give her space
30:30i think you guys have been through a lot worse and have come back for a minute you're a good
30:34friend
30:44lock the pack up because macy's gonna be hurt whoa
30:48say hi daddy hi sweetie you are so pretty i don't even know what i'll need honestly
30:57so how are you feeling about everything um so jason i stayed up late last night talking out the pros
31:05and the cons of separating between all of the mom talk drama and the pressure that i feel to get
31:11my
31:11marriage in a good place i'm definitely reaching a breaking point i'm feeling very maxed out today
31:19just because my freaking nerves are hurting so bad we both agreed to do a separation
31:29what are you looking to get out of this
31:34i think just working on my stuff separately at home you feel like you can't focus on your
31:43on your skin and your health because i'm also here well i think it's hard with the
31:49like anytime you bring up the stuff with like the sex and intimacy i feel like it's hard
31:54on me because i feel like again my nervous system's already in fight or flight and i'm already maxed out
31:58like my bucket is full i know but for me it seems like the solution to that would be to
32:04commit to trauma therapy until you're at the point where it doesn't make your nervous system freak out
32:10i know i feel like i've done a lot of therapy work already and my stuff is still bad and
32:16again i
32:17don't think it's like with the intention of being separated forever and i think we're obviously still
32:22going to see each other like every single day i'm not trying to go even a day away from the
32:26kids
32:26anyways should we get her a bottle
32:31move those fingers for something like this to feel effective for me maybe we don't get back
32:38together until you feel like you can commit to our relationship
32:46i don't know just the pressure of like when it's going to be fixed
32:53i think that's what's hard i think it's definitely hard to put a timeline on the situation because it
32:58could take weeks it could take months to be healed there's part of me that is definitely scared
33:04to lose him because i feel like our marriage is so good outside of the sexual intimacy part of it
33:10which it's ironic because that's his number one need and that's my number one wind
33:16i think it would be better you know
33:19for our kids though for us to work it out
33:23i definitely want my kids to see their parents with having a good intimate connection
33:30yeah emotional connection
33:33yeah both
33:34yeah
33:49hi honey i'm home
33:53yeah you want to put laudy in and meet me out there
33:55yeah it does make me very sad to know that jace and mikaela are separating for a little bit
34:00and i'm going to try my best to be there for her in any capacity that she needs me
34:06i'll give you a moment
34:08i love you
34:09i love you
34:10i'm talking to you okay
34:11mm-hmm
34:16your beard's all pokey on my neck
34:17sorry i'll shake you
34:20i'll take good care of her don't worry
34:22if you want to talk too i'm i'm all ears too and jacob is as well
34:32okay
34:33i think as sad as it is i do take comfort in knowing that i do have
34:37such a great support system in mom talk
34:39i don't want to have to tear our family apart
34:42but i also know that i have to be selfish for a period of time so that i can heal
34:59today is the main title shoot and this is the first time mom talk is back together again
35:03since the situation with taylor
35:04and since whitney and jenny didn't show up to my book event
35:07things do feel a little bit awkward and contentious in the room
35:11so we'll see how this goes
35:13hello
35:13good morning
35:15good morning
35:16how are we
35:18thriving
35:19you know i'm definitely allergic to horses
35:21why are we doing it on a horse farm
35:23how are you
35:24good
35:26it's more red
35:27no she got extension
35:28i gotta
35:28no but the color is more red
35:30i got it done
35:31i got it done yesterday
35:32yeah
35:32thank you
35:33i don't think it's fully hitting me the gravity of the situation of being separated
35:38but i don't like to sit in the sadness and just feel it
35:40so it's nice to have a distraction to go do the main title shoot
35:43where's jessie
35:44she's doing her individual shot in the cocoon
35:48in the cocoon
35:49yeah
35:50we're like butterflies
35:50and you have to get out
35:51i heard it's actually us coming out of the womb
35:54shut the fuck up
35:55i love you
35:57did taylor talk to you at all after the event or did you reach out
36:00i texted her and i basically was just like saying like i understand that like your
36:04feelings are like heightened and like
36:05you're the way that your feelings valid but
36:08go easy on miranda
36:09this is like a really hard place for her to be in right now
36:11like you are two of her good friends
36:13and she's having to like basically like pick between you guys
36:15which is hard
36:16that's what's so crazy is that like i
36:19genuinely don't know how i ended up here again
36:20because i'm like
36:22part of the reason the whole situation is triggering for me as a whole
36:24is because
36:25i feel like i'm in the exact same position that i was in in 2022
36:28yeah
36:29where i'm finding out about taylor's affair
36:31and now i have to then decide how i'm gonna go about handling that information and it's just
36:39like the exact same situation only taylor's on the other end of it this time
36:42during the swinging scandal i was the middleman and felt expected to
36:49keep taylor's affair a secret from the other wife and now i am the middleman between shania and taylor
36:57there is a little bit of a double standard there and all in all it feels like i'm doing a
37:02lot of
37:02giving and not a whole lot of receiving here
37:05oh there she is speak of the devil
37:09morning
37:10hi guys
37:10is that the devil
37:11holy shit you're fully ready
37:13we need to be here at eight
37:14eight
37:15wait why
37:15because we're not taylor we don't get the latest call time on the cast
37:18oh damn
37:19there are perks to being the favorite
37:21are you going to crash out this morning
37:22i mean i crash outs almost every day but i think i'm just overwhelmed like
37:25well yeah i was just saying that about you
37:27i was like you're just at your tipping point
37:29yeah
37:29what are you overwhelmed with just leaving
37:33yeah everything what was yesterday that i was
37:36everything was a blur
37:38uh i feel kind of like
37:42like just a little awkward
37:44i was in that moment like so angry but i think my anger towards dakota and myself
37:50definitely gets redirected to other people that is for sure i can admit that
37:54hi hi love me good do we love each other still
37:57we do i've never stopped loving you
37:59okay i still stand by what i said that like i think the name calling can be like hard you
38:03know
38:04but i understand that your emotions were high at the same time i would still say it today
38:07and that we handle things very differently
38:09i think she's a gross disgusting bitch
38:11why
38:12because to me it doesn't seem like you were close
38:15so i'm like why was she so hurt by it
38:17because if you're trying to be friends with me and get close to me
38:19instead you go and fuck my baby daddy
38:21you don't think there's something wrong with that
38:26that's odd she knows the pain i've gone through because we've confided in each other about breakups
38:30okay
38:30i think it's sneaky
38:32okay
38:33i'm very confused why taylor is so amped up
38:36i'm really trying to understand why she's reacting this way
38:39i've learned filming two reality shows at the same time can be very overwhelming
38:45and it's very important to have that mental clarity
38:47so i'm starting to feel a little bit worried for her
38:50because she's literally about to leave to go be the bachelorette
38:54i'm gonna get you dressed for
38:56yes
38:56yes
38:58wait last night what
38:59dakota was saying he felt bad actually
39:01yeah
39:02he's like this was so wrong and to be honest like everything hit me like i lost you i lost
39:06my child
39:07and he's like i'm just like so sad
39:10but if you want to be with him then go be with him
39:12but you don't
39:14i think everything dakota does is a complete red flag i feel like he's a walking red flag
39:19so it does not shock me that he decided to love bomb her right before the bachelorette
39:22but i feel like he's definitely hurt at the concept of her coming back and being in love
39:26and engaged and moved on from him
39:28so i feel like he's doing anything possible to ruin this experience for her
39:31and i hope that she can see through that
39:33we just don't want to see you allowing yourself to get bored again
39:36well no he said that he was like it sucks because he's like i know you love me
39:38and like you can't be with me
39:40and i'm like i don't want to talk about it because i can't grab him
39:42if you're gonna go do the bachelorette like you have to be in it
39:46well i do think that's my only way out of this
39:47i do agree with that
39:48i worry if you don't find someone that you're gonna come back and be stuck in it again
39:53like he just said like a lot like yeah he was just like i feel like you just need to
39:57marry me
39:57that's oh perfect
39:59i mean dakota was definitely apologizing for what he did with shania
40:03and do i believe him no
40:04he knew how this would affect me
40:06and he was like well maybe if i make her like crash out hard enough she won't go
40:10to the bachelorette and i think that's deliberately jenna and shania
40:13hmm if it takes everything in me to get up and go i'm going to do that
40:18there's times you can bleed with your heel
40:20yep
40:21heel
40:22heel
40:23like i just i love how it's so you get to glide
40:26glide
40:26okay
40:27this is my new favorite dance
40:28yeah
40:29i have really exciting news
40:30why
40:31it's not official yet
40:33okay
40:33but chicago reached out to my team
40:35i did hear
40:36i did hear
40:37from zach
40:37zach to another
40:39can i take you girl sorry
40:40yes
40:41we're ready for you
40:41okay okay okay
40:42oh
40:42i don't know
40:43ready for your
40:44that is incredible
40:45yeah
40:46why didn't you tell me that you knew
40:49i feel like there's just so much happening
40:51it's hard to keep up
40:52i see jen almost every single day
40:54i text her
40:55we talk
40:56a lot
40:58and she hasn't said anything once
41:01everybody's telling me
41:02i gotta act right
41:04sit right
41:05talk right
41:06to me
41:07that's very weird
41:08and i find that very off-putting
41:10the only thing that i can think of
41:12is things that i have felt
41:13from way long ago
41:15is it just makes me feel like
41:16you just don't care
41:19oh my god
41:23that was brutal
41:29thank you macy
41:30what is the state of mom talk right now
41:32who's in
41:33who's out
41:35denise have you officially left mom talk
41:40i feel like everyone's kind of just like doing their own thing
41:43like spreading their own wings
41:44like butterflies
41:46what do you mean
41:47well besides jesse being in the other room
41:49this is the first time that
41:50mom talk has been together
41:52for a minute
41:53we survived
41:53i'm not just saying that
41:54i genuinely
41:55have missed being with you guys
41:57do you hang out with anyone in california
41:59no
42:00what about you and whitney
42:02yeah what the fuck
42:03we never talk
42:04we literally never talk
42:08to be honest
42:09i have been hesitant
42:10to get close to her
42:12because
42:12i do think her being nice to me too
42:14on dancing with the stars
42:16is transactional
42:17i do think at the end of the day
42:20whitney only cares about whitney
42:21and
42:22you can't tell me otherwise
42:26i'm just kind of like at my wit's end
42:28yeah
42:29i mean that's what i thought
42:30but then i heard that
42:31and i was like oh great
42:32like
42:33jordan's still really upset
42:34about the name change
42:35even though i know
42:36it's what's right for me
42:37so even though i haven't made a decision
42:38about jordan and i
42:39i met with my dad
42:40to go over this prenup
42:42but it's been over five years
42:43and i do not remember what's in it
42:45oh yeah
42:46this is really long
42:48i i definitely feel like
42:49i need to have like a divorce lawyer
42:50look at it
42:51i keep saying like
42:52jordan's a hard person to be married to
42:53but i think you'd be a harder person to divorce
42:55yeah
42:56after looking at my prenup a bit
42:58we discovered that me and jordan
43:00did not have witnesses sign it
43:01so that could mean that the prenup is voided
43:04yeah
43:06yeah sorry
43:08yeah it's fine
43:09no i'm okay
43:10okay i'll come out
43:11okay thank you
43:13this information has really rattled me
43:15because i just don't know what that could mean
43:17for me my business
43:18and the security of my family
43:19before we go i just
43:21i need to say an announcement
43:23i wanted to apologize
43:25oh thank you
43:26for being mean to everybody
43:28i just feel bad
43:29and i think i'm also about to start my periods
43:32i'm a little wack
43:33i hope you are
43:34but i'm sorry for being mean to all of you
43:37i've been snappy i know
43:38yeah you have
43:39i agree
43:40i know but you know that we're all coming from a place of love
43:42i don't want you to ever feel attacked
43:43like yes we judge a lot of the things you do
43:45but it's from a place of love
43:47so we hate to see you hurting
43:48and it's been like this for a long time
43:50i think too just being like
43:51if you don't want to hear it
43:52that's fine
43:53that's fair
43:53just being like
43:54like i hear you
43:55like i like i don't want to be receptive right now
43:59i mean i just have no
44:00nothing else to say anymore
44:01yeah you know
44:02and i think neither do we
44:03like about it
44:04amen
44:05because you know where we all stand
44:06great
44:09i do feel like taylor's apology
44:11is genuine
44:12but i think at this point
44:14i'm feeling a little bit weary
44:15and we'll be proceeding with caution moving forward
44:19jessie are you okay
44:22okay
44:23i'm sorry
44:23um
44:25uh
44:26i went over my prenup with my dad
44:28and i found out it wasn't finished
44:30and so
44:31fuck
44:31wait what
44:32um
44:33what does that mean
44:34so me and jordan signed up
44:35but we didn't have witness signatures
44:36so it could be all voided
44:37and
44:38i've just been struggling with that
44:40because it's just like
44:41i don't know what my decision is
44:42but i feel like if i make that decision
44:44of putting my business
44:44and my family
44:45in like
44:45a terrible situation
44:50i just don't know what will happen
44:51i'll probably lose millions
44:52so
44:52i'm kind of confused
44:53what does that mean
44:53that means that you can take half of her business
44:55half of everything
44:56that she has
44:56can't they like do that now
44:58can't you do it now
44:59no
44:59like it's a prenup
45:00like he's entitled to anything
45:01in the last five years
45:02that i've created
45:03and when we got married
45:04i was worth
45:04a lot less than i am now
45:07so it just sucks
45:08and i'm just like
45:09i don't want to do that to my family
45:10and my dad's like
45:11my business partner
45:12i mean i've told you
45:13how much i'm worried
45:14like
45:15do you think he would do that
45:17i don't know
45:17he's entitled to it
45:18so like
45:19he would
45:19i could see him doing it
45:20to just
45:21and i would owe him child support
45:22or to keep
45:23and i would owe him alimony
45:24i'm just like terrified
45:25that i'm putting my family
45:26in a bad situation
45:27and i'm like
45:27i'll just stay
45:29you can't stay
45:29because of this though jess
45:30you're gonna build that money back
45:31no i know
45:32right away
45:33you're so successful
45:34there's a reason why
45:34you have a multi-million dollar business
45:36you're not dumb
45:36when it comes to these things
45:37you're gonna build it back
45:38you can't stay in a marriage
45:40that you're miserable in for money
45:41like your happiness means way more
45:44jordan has made a lot of changes
45:45but if i'm basing it off of the jordan
45:48that i was married to for four years
45:49that jordan would be a very hard person to divorce
45:51i think he would be spiteful and vindictive
45:53and i think he would play a little bit dirty
45:56so i just kind of have to prepare myself
45:58that if we do get divorced
45:59i wish it could go that way
46:16are you feeling better
46:17switch you
46:19me?
46:19yeah
46:21i'm feeling okay
46:22i'm gonna be honest
46:23i was a little mad that
46:26when you told me that you knew about chicago
46:28but didn't say anything to me
46:30i can totally see
46:32why that would frustrate you
46:33like when did zach tell you about it?
46:36um
46:39sometime last week
46:40i see you almost every single day in the studio
46:42and it wasn't like
46:43i even told connor
46:44i was like i had no idea that she knew
46:47not one thing in the studio
46:48not a text
46:49not anything
46:50okay well i was also very sick
46:52and
46:54i'm sorry not at every given point
46:56i'm thinking about
46:57that's how it always is jen
46:59you always have all these expectations
47:00for everyone else to be
47:02to be supportive to you
47:03and that expectation
47:04is never received
47:05ever
47:06okay well maybe i don't think
47:07we're actual genuine friends
47:11okay
47:12i mean
47:13if you truly were my friend
47:15you wouldn't have
47:17then became friends
47:18with the one person
47:19that was bullying me
47:20during the hardest stage
47:21of my life
47:23so
47:23okay let's not deflect
47:25let's talk about
47:25the one thing at hand
47:27i'm not deflecting
47:28you knew about chicago
47:29and you never said
47:30one thing to me
47:31ever
47:31you asked me
47:33why
47:33i don't really trust whitney
47:35she is best friends
47:37with demie
47:38you guys kiss
47:39like what if she's holding
47:41that
47:41oh
47:41so how could i be
47:43genuine friends with her
47:44i even text you
47:45after i found out you were sick
47:47because i wanted to make sure
47:47you were okay
47:48no response
47:49nothing
47:50zero
47:50okay well maybe
47:51it's because i don't think
47:52we have a genuine friendship
47:56i don't think you actually
47:58care about me
47:59i actually don't think
48:00you care about anyone else
48:01in this group
48:02what is going on
48:03you were nice to me
48:04during season two
48:05because it benefited you
48:06and the minute i left
48:08you went and became
48:09friends with the one person
48:11no one wanted you around
48:13i was the one that vouched for you
48:15every fucking time
48:16you didn't vouch for me
48:17yes i did
48:18every time
48:19when everyone was talking shit about you in arizona
48:22jen it's true
48:23me
48:24i did
48:25question of the day
48:26where's jen
48:27she is pregnant
48:29a band-aid baby
48:30yay
48:30what
48:31the babies don't band-aid anything
48:33i am so shocked
48:35right now there needs to be
48:36more understanding
48:37for the love of god
48:39for the love of god
48:40you wouldn't have come back to mom talk
48:42no
48:43just to take dancing with the stars
48:45you knew
48:45with a dream of mine
48:47first of all jen
48:47why didn't i reach out
48:48you don't own that dream
48:50you don't own it
48:51i'm not saying
48:51anyone can have that dream
48:53i'm not saying
48:53anyone in this cast
48:55can go on dancing with the fucking stars
48:57i'm just saying
48:58it's how you did it
49:00that matters
49:01because no one wanted me around
49:03and then i came back
49:04and i built relationships again
49:06well yeah
49:07i built a relationship again
49:08with michaela
49:09with every fucking person in this group
49:11okay
49:12stop deflecting
49:13i support you
49:14i'm so sick of you having this expectation
49:16of every single person in this group
49:18i haven't had any expectations
49:19yes you do
49:19do you guys feel like i've had an expectation
49:21well
49:22i will say that
49:24i feel like if we weren't to show complete support for you right now
49:26dancing with stars
49:27i feel like we would hear it later
49:29you know
49:29no not at all
49:31it definitely feels like there's a major disconnect with whitney and jen from mom talk as a whole
49:36sometimes they kind of lose sight that they wouldn't get these opportunities if it wasn't for mom talk in general
49:40remembering to connect with the people that brought you to where you are is in my opinion very important
49:46like from what i remember it very much felt like whitney was there for you at that time
49:50if you were truly there for me
49:52then why become friends with the one person
49:55dude shut the fuck up
49:57i can separate the two
49:58i can be friends with someone and be friends with someone else
50:00i can do that
50:01i can do that
50:03and we had a talk
50:04at my house
50:05when i invited your family
50:07to stay with me
50:08we had that chat
50:09i said
50:10does that make you uncomfortable
50:11and you said
50:13no
50:13i didn't want there to be any underlying
50:16contention or hard feelings
50:18just because you guys know that
50:19we get along with demi and brett
50:21yeah
50:21it's honestly
50:22i would rather not even talk about it
50:24i'm over it
50:25i'm just telling you my honest feelings
50:26it's not your honest feelings jen
50:28you're being manipulative
50:29i'm not
50:29that's what it is
50:30yes you are
50:31i'm just telling you
50:31yes you are
50:32we started the conversation with me
50:34sharing how i felt
50:36how you knew about chicago for a week
50:38yeah i do
50:38because i'm so fucking pissed
50:40i'm over it
50:41do you see the way that you're screaming
50:42yes i do
50:43everyone can see
50:44how are we supposed to have a healthy conversation
50:46this isn't a healthy conversation
50:48exactly
50:49i'm letting it out
50:49because i held it in for so fucking long
50:51i have been there for you
50:53you have not been there for me
50:55no you don't
50:55i texted you
50:55i said how are you doing
50:56you ghost me
50:57how are you doing
50:58you ghost me
50:59you sent me one text
51:00it's almost like deja vu
51:02that i'm sitting here watching this happen
51:04everything that whitney is saying to jen
51:06was the issues that i was having with whitney
51:08so i'm like whose side am i on here
51:10the chicago thing was the tipping point jen
51:13okay
51:13i see you every day
51:15and not once
51:16could you have said hey
51:18congrats
51:19that's so exciting for you
51:20because we're not friends
51:23what the fuck is going on
51:25i definitely feel like sometimes
51:27there's a battle between
51:28friendship and fame
51:29within this group
51:30and with taylor
51:32and her toxic relationship
51:33with dakota
51:34sometimes i worry about
51:36mom talks future
51:37what the fuck
51:38you just said that to me
51:39that you don't feel like we're friends
51:41okay then fuck you
51:42holy shit
51:55what the fuck is going on
51:57fuck you
51:57whitney only cares about whitney
51:59and she knows that i hold power
52:01someone needs to hold her accountable
52:02this isn't easy for anyone zach
52:04all of us
52:05all of us are mentally unwell
52:07i can tell
52:10i'm so exhausted all the time
52:12because i don't need
52:12i know that it's going too far
52:14and i can't stop
52:14this is taylor's last night
52:16before she flies out for the bachelorette
52:18i would love to be with taylor
52:19but is that your plan
52:20is to wait for her
52:21she filled my head with all this hope now
52:22and i don't know what to think
52:23do i choose me
52:24and what makes me happy
52:26there's a lot of pain
52:27i think there's a lot of things
52:28we've done to hurt each other
52:29it doesn't have to be this way
52:31her plane leaves in an hour
52:32maybe there's a chance
52:33that she just
52:34ends up choosing me at the end
52:36can you just admit
52:37that you still love me
52:42wait where's taylor
53:06i'm into you
53:07and all of your flavors
53:09i'm not surprised
53:11cause i felt it
53:12on the inside
53:13i knew one day
53:14that our hearts
53:15would collide
53:25cause i'll see you
53:25you
53:25You
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