00:00We got Bobby. It's good enough for me in the 6 o'clock hour to admit hypothetical defeat over our
00:07George Pickens value debate.
00:10I don't think it's ever going to come to fruition, but after yesterday, should it?
00:14Jalen Waddell is traded to the Denver Broncos for an absolute haul.
00:19I think everyone basically agrees that it seems like it's way too much.
00:24It's a first and a third, and you're exchanging a fourth-round pick swap, basically.
00:32So Jalen Waddell and a fourth to Denver.
00:35Miami gets 30 in this year's draft, third-round pick at 94 in this year's draft, and a fourth in
00:43this year's draft.
00:45Now, I would have guessed, as the cock king, king of compensation, that Waddell...
00:53So you're the king of compensation king.
00:56Oh.
00:58That sounds better, actually.
00:59Yeah, because I would think that you would want to be the cock master instead.
01:03That way, you're the king of compensation master.
01:05Okay, I like that.
01:05Yeah, you're the cock master.
01:06Cock master.
01:07I'm the king of compensation and guessing...
01:09You're the cock man.
01:10You're the man.
01:12Work on your syrup jokes.
01:14Yeah, you missed, by the way.
01:15They were very upset.
01:15The fan text was like, you missed the easiest one, which was you poor saps.
01:19I said poor saps.
01:20I don't think you did.
01:21I said these poor saps are sitting in traffic.
01:23That was the second one I said.
01:26See, I do trust him in remembering his own jokes, not remembering anything else.
01:30I don't think he doesn't have to reference the email for it.
01:32And Aiden is saying that the Baywatch actress looks like a bird.
01:36Oh, God.
01:37Tell me how to get to Sesame Street.
01:39So I would have thought Waddell, at the most, went for a second.
01:43I probably would have said third.
01:45I probably would have settled on third.
01:47Sean Payton said, we'll give you that one.
01:48And so now you look at the market.
01:52What's that?
01:52And that third.
01:53What would this have you lead?
01:56What would this lead you to believe on Pickens' possible value if the Cowboys went down the micro road again?
02:02Well, it's evident now that the Cowboys do not get a first-round pick for George Pickens.
02:07They probably get two first-round picks.
02:09Two firsts.
02:09For George Pickens.
02:11Six if it's Denver.
02:13Well, the market's been set.
02:15I don't care who it is.
02:17The market's been set.
02:19Jalen Waddell and George Pickens don't even play the same sport.
02:24Like, one of them is a bona fide number two receiver.
02:29And the other one is a top six receiver in the NFL.
02:33They don't even play the same sport.
02:35This is completely different.
02:36This is like saying that Patrick Mahomes and fill in your spare quarterback play the same position.
02:45I mean, yeah, maybe.
02:48But then it's different.
02:49They play it in a different way.
02:51If you're the Cowboys, I don't know if this makes you change your viewpoint on what you do with George.
02:57Whether you now are more motivated to trade him.
03:00Whether now you're more motivated to sign him.
03:02Because if this also, if this raises his value from a trade perspective, does that not also do anything to
03:11his value from a money perspective?
03:13Maybe something changes for them.
03:15I think they are, like, I don't think they're even willing to listen to teams right now on him.
03:21I don't want to trade him.
03:22I thought there was a chance they'd entertain it when they got to the offseason.
03:26I think they're rolling forward as like, nope, nope, this is where he's moving forward.
03:31He's here.
03:32And so unless something just got bitter and, like, could not be salvaged a la Micah.
03:40Which is a very large possibility of happening.
03:43It's possible that it gets to that point.
03:44But, like, I don't think they're entertaining trade offers right now.
03:46Like, I think if you called and said two ones, I think they'd be like, we're not dealing with him.
03:50So you guys just...
03:51Well, wasn't that the Micah mistake in terms of the timeline?
03:54That we waited too long?
03:55I mean, some...
03:57There's thought that it might have been.
03:59Then there's other...
04:01I think that...
04:02There was a lot of thought that they waited way too late.
04:04I think there was a lot of communication.
04:05I think Dallas's options were limited to who they could trade him to.
04:09I think they knew they could trade him to, like, three teams.
04:11And so that narrowed it and made it easier for teams to be a little more...
04:16Well, how much can you really...
04:18If the market's this narrow, you can't just hold us hostage for, like, five picks.
04:22All right, so me, Jerry, and Steven, after the Waddle deal, someone calls you and says,
04:28What would you take for George?
04:30What's your answer back now?
04:33I, like...
04:34I don't know that they even pick up the phone right now, but if they did...
04:37No, I know what I'm saying, but if they did...
04:38Through the exercise.
04:39Yeah, if they did, then it's probably, like...
04:41No, it's...
04:42Even before Waddle, it's like, you gotta give us three firsts to move us off of...
04:46We're planning on this.
04:47This is...
04:47He's supposed to be here.
04:48He's part of the plans, and we've got a very specific plan that we're trying to execute.
04:51You would have to make it so worth, like, even above...
04:54But you said you'd do it for two firsts.
04:56I would.
04:57You'd do it for a first.
04:57I would do it for a first.
04:59I think right now to move them off of, like, what is...
05:02This is what we're planning.
05:02We've built a team around this idea and these guys being here.
05:06I think right now it's like, well, to disrupt that, you're gonna have to give us so much capital
05:09that it makes sense for us to be able to move stuff around.
05:12Why that type of thought, if you're right,
05:15versus the Micah thought, when Micah, you know, is a better player.
05:19Micah had the ability.
05:20Micah was...
05:21I think that Micah's side was very much like...
05:24When Micah's side is George's side.
05:26Yeah, but I mean, specifically with Micah as a player, there's no extension.
05:31Unless we go to one of these places.
05:33Like, I think it was a narrow list that the Cowboys had to pick from.
05:37No, but...
05:38If your options are Philly and Green Bay...
05:41Yeah.
05:42...and you are saying you will not trade him to Philly,
05:45then your option is Green Bay.
05:46And Green Bay is then going, okay, well, we're the only player in town.
05:52Two ones and a little bit extra.
05:54But what I'm trying to ask is, the way you just presented it,
05:58like, we are so in love with him, this is the way we're building,
06:02and you have to completely blow us away.
06:04While, you know, the same thought should have been there,
06:07except even more for Micah defensively.
06:10No, so that's...
06:11Because this negotiation, I mean, I would bet that it gets uncomfortable and ugly.
06:17I think it should be an easier number to settle on than Micah,
06:22because Muligheta has less of an argument to make.
06:25He doesn't have a tip-top of market player, like he did with Parsons.
06:29And I want to be clear.
06:31Dude, nobody go clipping this and saying,
06:33Bobby says Pickens is worth three first-rounders.
06:35That's not what I'm saying.
06:36I'm not saying he would fetch three first-rounders.
06:38Yeah, it's like moving you out of your house.
06:39Yeah, it's like...
06:40Like, I don't...
06:40Like, if you gave me...
06:42I mean, tell me about it.
06:43I don't know.
06:44If you gave me a...
06:46You got to completely blow me away to make me go through the hassle of moving.
06:50Like, you got to...
06:51It has to be...
06:52I take a second to think about it.
06:54I can't say no.
06:56Yes.
06:56That's kind of what you're describing.
06:58Yeah, or I can't refuse.
06:59Just anything...
07:00It's like, that is such an inconvenience on my day-to-day life,
07:04or that's such an inconvenience on...
07:06For the Cowboys, what we're trying to do.
07:09Like, we're spending money to do something right now.
07:11So, getting rid of him would be such an inconvenience
07:16that you have to, like, pay us so much above the market for us to say...
07:20Like, I think if the Cowboys looked at it realistically,
07:23let's say they had a receiver setup similar to the one they had
07:26when it was Gallup, Coop, CD, and they felt like,
07:29yeah, we got guys who can stand up.
07:30And then if you call it, they would be probably flirting with the idea of,
07:33yeah, don't want to sign him to an extension.
07:36Sure, you'll give us a one.
07:37Sure.
07:37Like, I get digs, and maybe I draft someone to go along with Lamb.
07:40I have all these picks now, and I throw one at Crosby.
07:46Yeah, at this point, they have built to a point where it's like,
07:48if they were to open up that hole,
07:50when they have clearly restructured all of their finances
07:55to basically say, in three years, the tax man's coming.
08:00If they've restructured all their finances that way,
08:02with the idea of part of this is,
08:05we know what our offense is for the next little bit,
08:09and then you're taking a big piece of that out,
08:11well, then it's like, well, now we've set ourselves up financially to,
08:15you're setting us back in what is already a very narrow window.
08:17We would need so much capital to be able to make that worth it.
08:20That's why it's different than Micah.
08:21They didn't have a window really last year when they traded Micah.
08:23Like, they knew where they were at.
08:24They thought, well, we can scheme up some pressure.
08:26He doesn't even defend the run.
08:28It's different in the way they've structured things.
08:30Let's talk realistically now.
08:32Even after yesterday, basically a one and a three for Jalen Waddle.
08:35Do you think it is totally impossible that someone would ever offer two ones for George?
08:41No, I think.
08:43You think it's like, you think it's a, it would be possible?
08:46I mean, just for S's and giggles this year,
08:49I think someone would probably be like, oh, one this year, one next year.
08:52If that were to happen.
08:53I don't, I don't think someone's giving up two ones for him.
08:55I, you know, I would love to have that as an option, but.
08:59I think it's a minimum one and a two now.
09:01The Jets have two and 16.
09:03Now the Jets need receiver, but they don't have a quarterback to go along with Garrett Wilson
09:07and their offense.
09:09The Browns are at six and 24.
09:11They need receiver.
09:13Kansas City's at nine and 29.
09:16You got us and now Miami.
09:20Miami needs receiver desperately.
09:22They're at 11 and 30, but they're blowing it up.
09:27So you have, here's, here's one of the reasons why I said three firsts.
09:31So he does have the non-exclusive tag on him.
09:35Somebody can go sign him and give up two firsts for him.
09:39No team has even been rumored to be interested in talking to him.
09:45So what that tells me is the entire league knows if we negotiate the deal, they'll just
09:50take it.
09:51They'll match it.
09:53Because they're not like two first round picks.
09:55They're not even wanting to do.
09:56They're just wanting to do this.
09:57Or the league is telling you, I wouldn't give up two firsts for him.
10:00So it's one of the two.
10:00It's either the league doesn't want to give up two firsts for him, or they know Dallas
10:03wouldn't take two firsts, which means Dallas wants three.
10:06It's just like blow off their plans.
10:07They would need at least three.
10:08So if they called you choppy and they go one and a two, and you're comparing that to
10:14Waddle, are you insulted?
10:16I'm not insulted.
10:17I mean, I'm not taking it, though.
10:20Like, I love George.
10:23I think George is just a complete game changer.
10:26He was riding around with CD the other day?
10:28Yeah, I think he's a complete game changer for the offense.
10:30The offense without George Pickens is still a good offense, but it's nothing like earth
10:34shattering.
10:34It's not a game changing offense.
10:36But it's not an offense that can withstand whatever defense this is.
10:41You know, if you don't have George Pickens on this team, I think you genuinely need a
10:44top eight defense to sniff a title.
10:47With George Pickens, I think you need just a top eight team defense.
10:51By the way, they are not completely tearing it down in Miami because Adam Schefter reported
10:55a little bit ago that once teams started seeing the burning fire, they're like, hey,
10:59Devon H, and y'all going to trade?
11:01And Miami is telling people, uh-uh, he's not going anywhere.
11:03So, Miami's not completely getting rid of everybody.
11:06Yeah, but they said the same thing about Waddle.
11:08They've been saying that Waddle was not going to be touched.
11:118-hand, 24.
11:13That is a dangerous weapon.
11:15What are we doing to Denver after this?
11:18Oh, before we get to that, what are the Tolo's saying about this exercise?
11:22Let's see.
11:238-5-8 says Pickens is better than CD.
11:268-5-8 also says a one and a four for CD he would do.
11:298-1-7 says a first two seconds and a fourth for Pickens.
11:329-5-6 says if someone offered Steven Jones two first-round picks, he would run for that
11:38for cheap labor.
11:39Okay, so if that's the case, again, that means that the league is telling you they don't
11:42want to give up two firsts for him because nobody's trying to sign him.
11:46True.
11:47So, you're saying we wasted 12 minutes.
11:50No, I'm just saying that that means that either Dallas has a super high threshold or the league
11:54doesn't think he's worth two firsts.
11:558-7-7-8-8-1-1-0-5-3.
11:57Franklin LaFranco fan text.
11:58We can all think that Denver overpaid, but where does this put the Broncos now?
12:05Yeah, look, I do think they overpaid, but I like that.
12:08Pay-pay texted immediately, Kansas City, say goodbye to any hopes of the West.
12:13Yeah, I do think they overpaid, but I like the thought of just going all in when you
12:18got a quarterback at a rookie deal.
12:20I think they're, I mean, they were, if they had Bo Nix, they'd probably beat New England
12:25last year anyway in the AFC title game.
12:29That was pretty bad weather.
12:31It was.
12:31It was bad.
12:33He could run around better than, who was it?
12:36Jarrett Stidham.
12:37Jarrett Stidham.
12:38Bo would have ran a little bit more.
12:40Yeah, he's a better passer, too, I think.
12:42Yeah, but no one was throwing in that.
12:44Right, no, yeah, you weren't going to throw a ton of that.
12:46Yeah, I mean, they're probably right there with, behind Buffalo, with Buffalo.
12:51But who are they leapfrogging past for you, or anyways?
12:54Nobody.
12:55Nobody.
12:56Nope.
12:56They did not get better than anybody else yesterday.
12:59But they got better, but they didn't create any separation.
13:03They didn't leapfrog anyone.
13:05They may have created a little bit more separation with the Chargers.
13:07Okay, so, but you still have them behind Buffalo and Baltimore?
13:11I don't know.
13:11Why would I automatically have them behind Baltimore?
13:13I mean, everybody's saying, I mean, everybody's got Baltimore 10 and a half wins, 11 wins,
13:17and they're over-under.
13:18They did last year, too, and Baltimore was terrible.
13:20So, who's your top three AFC?
13:23Probably Denver's in there.
13:24So, it's probably Denver, Houston, Buffalo.
13:28Maybe New England.
13:29Maybe New England.
13:30It just depends on, I don't know what's sustainable about New England.
13:34Maybe New England.
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