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Ramazan Sevinci 10. Bölüm | Üner Karabıyık & Mahmud Erol Kılıç (28 Şubat 2026)
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00:00:08In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:00:14In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:00:15Dear viewers, once upon a time there was a very wealthy merchant.
00:00:22The merchant was so wealthy that he could buy and sell whatever he wanted.
00:00:28The world was in his hands, everything was under his control, his resources were vast, but he also had a little bird named Dudu.
00:00:38Dudu was a very cute, colorful, and sweet little bird.
00:00:43He loved this bird very much, and one day his travels took him to India, its homeland, for business.
00:00:53And before leaving, the merchant gathered his household.
00:00:57He asked them what they wanted in terms of worldly possessions.
00:01:02When it was Dudu's turn, Dudu said,
00:01:06Sir, I don't want anything from you.
00:01:09It's only when you reach those emerald green forests that birds fly freely in the sky,
00:01:18They are my friends, my companions; give them my regards.
00:01:22And say that your brother is spending his life deprived of freedom in a tiny, cramped cage.
00:01:30Say, "Let my life, my experiences, be a lesson to you."
00:01:35After receiving this message, the merchant set off for India, and while wandering through the forests, he saw birds flying freely in the sky.
00:01:46The sweet words of Dudu the Bird came to his mind.
00:01:49And he called out to them and conveyed his greetings.
00:01:53He presented his situation to them.
00:01:56And the wisest bird among them descended, and when it heard these words while listening, it suddenly began to tremble.
00:02:05And its wings fell off, and it lay on the ground like a dead body.
00:02:12The merchant was very upset when he saw this.
00:02:15"What did I do?" he said.
00:02:16I just brought greetings from my bird.
00:02:19But he caused its death.
00:02:22Filled with sadness, he returned to his hometown and immediately asked the merchant about the Parrot.
00:02:29He asked, "What have you done? Have you seen my friends? Did you pass on my greetings?"
00:02:34The merchant, sighing again, said, "I wish I hadn't said it. When I conveyed his greeting, one of his friends who received it fell to the ground lifeless and died."
00:02:46Upon hearing this, the bird immediately began to droop its wings in a similar manner within its cage, started trembling, and its lifeless body fell to the floor inside the cage.
00:02:58The merchant became very anxious this time and exclaimed, "Oh no! Why did my precious bird become like this? Why did I cause such a death?"
00:03:07And he immediately took it from its cage with his hands and placed it on the window sill.
00:03:13After leaving the bird on the window sill, it miraculously came back to life, recovered, and began to flap its wings and fly away.
00:03:23It perched on a tree directly opposite the house and called out to the merchant.
00:03:28"O merchant," he said, "you have brought me not the greetings of my friends, but my freedom."
00:03:37Their situation was essentially telling me that if you want to die, you need to come alive or at least not appear alive.
00:03:48Death is actually a liberation, a revival, a resurrection.
00:03:54They showed you how I could achieve freedom.
00:03:58Dear viewers, here the merchant represents the love of the world.
00:04:04The cage represents the ego.
00:04:06The bird also touches our soul.
00:04:08So death is not falling to the ground, but breaking free from the bonds of the earth.
00:04:16It is about learning the ways to do this.
00:04:18This evening, we will be discussing the true nature of the ego and how to struggle against it in order to reach the truth.
00:04:29Our guests are Prof. Dr. Mahmut Erol Kılıç and Üner Karabıyık.
00:04:34Please don't leave us, sir.
00:12:03I would like to announce Dr. Mahmut Erol Kılıç.
00:12:07Welcome, sir.
00:12:10And our other guest is Üner Karabıyık, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Istanbul Family Foundation.
00:12:17You are most welcome.
00:12:19It's a pleasure to be here, sir/madam.
00:12:20Teacher, the holy month of Ramadan has now begun its journey towards forgiveness.
00:12:24So we're completing the first 10 days.
00:12:26How is Ramadan going, first of all?
00:12:29Honestly, the intensity is going well, thank God.
00:12:31So we have no problem.
00:12:33Of course, the current state of the Muslim community saddens us somewhat.
00:12:37Apart from that, thank God, we have no problems.
00:12:40Thanks, sir.
00:12:41Mr. Üner, how is Ramadan going for you?
00:12:43Hallelujah.
00:12:44We too are trying to benefit from the blessings of Ramadan through intensive work and activities.
00:12:52Our work at the Family Foundation continues at a fast pace.
00:12:56Thanks.
00:12:57Professor, today, within the framework of concepts such as struggle against the ego, striving, and self-improvement, this is also defined as the enemy within us.
00:13:09Mevlana Hazretleri describes it that way.
00:13:10But is that really the case?
00:13:12And what are the ways to wage this struggle?
00:13:15Because there's also an understanding that almost everything that happens in the world originates from this ego, as if it's its source.
00:13:24There is.
00:13:24Say what?
00:13:26Now, how exactly have you become the man you are?
00:13:28So, it's as if he's a completely pure man who has finished his struggle with his ego, but only to the extent that we can glean from encyclopedias, books, and the passages between the lines of wise men's writings.
00:13:41Let's try to answer your question to the best of our understanding.
00:13:44First of all, the word "self" (nafs) is not expressed in a single sense.
00:13:52Both in the Holy Quran and when we look at our literature.
00:13:56In the Quran, the word "nafs" is sometimes used to mean the essence or origin of something.
00:14:04For example, the area within the city walls of Istanbul is called "Nefsi Istanbul" (Istanbul's essence).
00:14:10So it means the heart of Istanbul, the essence of Istanbul, Istanbul itself.
00:14:16I was born and raised there, for example, so I consider myself a true Istanbulite.
00:14:20But according to the old topography of Istanbul, let's say Kadıköy becomes a recreational area, Mecliköy becomes a recreational area.
00:14:30It was.
00:14:30Of course, right now everywhere is Istanbul in that sense.
00:14:34This is its most common meaning, the ego.
00:14:38But there is also a technical use of the term "self" (nefs).
00:14:42It is also mentioned in the Quran.
00:14:44It is used here in the sense of the ego and the mare.
00:14:48And these are referred to as other levels of the soul.
00:14:51Inspired by this, our wise men and scholars developed definitions of the stages of the self.
00:14:59And to make it easier to understand, we can express it like this.
00:15:04We were once alone with half of ourselves.
00:15:07First, we need to know where we're starting from.
00:15:09So the question of where we came from actually solves everything.
00:15:14The secret to everything lies there.
00:15:16Where did we come from?
00:15:17Where did we come from, sir?
00:15:19I'll stay silent.
00:15:20The Quran says so.
00:15:22Inna lillahi ve inna ilayhi raciun.
00:15:26The 'lam' there means 'min' in Arabic.
00:15:30In other words, "Inna minallah" (We are from Allah).
00:15:31Let's do this.
00:15:32Inna minallah ve ilayhi raciun.
00:15:35Surely you came from Him, He says.
00:15:38He says so himself.
00:15:39And you return to him, he says.
00:15:42Therefore, it tells me where I come from.
00:15:45And it tells me where I'm going.
00:15:48You know, Muslims even have a special prayer for travel.
00:15:51A long prayer when we get on the plane or in the car.
00:15:54But what's in the final episode there?
00:15:56And indeed, to Him they will return.
00:16:01Surely we will return to Him.
00:16:04Where do we go back to?
00:16:05So, are we going back to our hometown?
00:16:07No, we'll go back to it.
00:16:08So, it's clear where we started.
00:16:11Actually, our origin is divine.
00:16:13My holy brother.
00:16:14We come from divinity.
00:16:16We've ended up in the countryside.
00:16:20So, because we've descended to the very bottom of the bottom, we've entered the realm of matter.
00:16:25Entering into the material world, but then distancing oneself from the beloved, doesn't happen suddenly; it happens gradually, step by step, step by step, step by step, and this is what we call gradation.
00:16:37Since we descended step by step, the ascent will also be step by step.
00:16:42Then, the levels and stages of the self, from the highest to the lowest, can be seen as veils, in a sense.
00:16:51First act, second act, third act.
00:16:54Scholars have generally grouped these into seven categories.
00:16:59Some have increased the number, but essentially they have considered them to be seven levels of the soul.
00:17:07The one at the very bottom, the one furthest from the source, the one most contaminated with the substance, the one most attached to the object.
00:17:18That is called the lower self (nafs al-ammara).
00:17:22What does "emmare nefsi" mean?
00:17:24So, you are actually good kids, but it's the lower self (nafs al-ammara) that tries to lead you astray, and it's also fertile ground for the devil to work.
00:17:35It puts up some barriers, some obstacles, at the front.
00:17:39As long as she doesn't go towards him, doesn't remember him, doesn't mention him.
00:17:44What is that I'm talking about?
00:17:45Where it originated.
00:17:46So He puts toys in front of him so that he will not remember his Lord.
00:17:51Let me tell you, he's including material things.
00:17:55He takes some of the faculties that humans possess and turns them towards himself.
00:17:59So, the things that are appealing to them...
00:18:01Of course, of course.
00:18:02For example, lust.
00:18:03Does it exist in humans? Yes, it does.
00:18:04Is it a divine faculty? It is a divine faculty.
00:18:08He's holding it, for example, trying to pull it in the wrong direction.
00:18:13So, trying to kill is also a devilish act.
00:18:17That exists in some non-Islamic movements.
00:18:20For example, in Christianity, Buddhism, and so on.
00:18:23This thing called lust is a very dangerous thing, and we won't be able to reach it without killing it, he said.
00:18:29Things like taking medicine, some priests have these strange practices, or killing someone through surgery and so on.
00:18:37This method is not considered appropriate in Islam at all.
00:18:41What is he doing with it?
00:18:42Because there are other mechanisms linked to lust.
00:18:45For example, courage.
00:18:46In our Islamic philosophy, courage and lust are siblings.
00:18:50When lust is taken away, courage follows.
00:18:53So what do you do with it?
00:18:55You are disciplining them.
00:18:57You are reforming it.
00:18:58And you're channeling it normally.
00:19:01You're showing how it should work normally.
00:19:04That was just an example, an example of lust.
00:19:07Apart from that, for example, love of the world.
00:19:11The world, that is, love, is a beautiful thing.
00:19:14But instead of directing that love upwards, towards that which is infinite, towards that which is eternity, you are gravitating towards rubbish.
00:19:25So today you're giving that love to something that will burn, disappear, and turn to ashes tomorrow.
00:19:31And when you give it to him, there is always, always, excuse me, a descent into ruin.
00:19:39So you inevitably encounter disappointment based on expectations.
00:19:46Nothing can fully compensate for that in this sense.
00:19:50Because absolute love, and unconditional love, is love that is directed towards its source.
00:19:56This is just the lowest level of the lower self (nafs al-ammara).
00:19:58The lower self (nafs al-ammara) comes after that, then the inspired self (nafs al-mulhima), the blaming self (nafs al-lawwama), the blaming self, the inspired self, etc.
00:20:06There are seven stages of the self, leading all the way to the perfect self.
00:20:11If you'd like, let's continue exploring the self.
00:20:14I'd like to get back to Mr. Üner shortly.
00:20:17Mr. Üner, as you know, these are always referred to as family years.
00:20:21And in the years to come, the topic of family will always be on our country's agenda.
00:20:25Extensive research will also be conducted on this matter.
00:20:28You also do extensive research in this field.
00:20:32Let's talk about these a little, if you'd like.
00:20:34Of course.
00:20:35As you know, 2025 was the year of the family.
00:20:39The period 2026-2035 has been declared the Decade of Family and Population by our President.
00:20:45We started operating as a family foundation in 2021.
00:20:512021-2022 was a period when our activities accelerated.
00:20:55Why were we founded?
00:20:56Because they have become aware of the threats directed at the institution of the family in recent times,
00:21:03Those who are concerned about such developments in Türkiye,
00:21:07carrying the concerns of its society, nation, and state,
00:21:10Operating in all sectors from A to Z,
00:21:14In other words, operating in all sectors from aluminum to glassware,
00:21:21Our businessmen, representing Anatolian capital, established the family foundation.
00:21:27And we conduct our work in this foundation along three main axes.
00:21:31On the one hand, we are striving to conduct academic research.
00:21:35International symposia, workshops, and publications.
00:21:40We publish a peer-reviewed journal.
00:21:42Because, unfortunately, the prevailing paradigm and understanding in the world is...
00:21:46It places individualism at its center, and we see that this is also dominant in the literature.
00:21:51So, is this leading to a breakdown in families?
00:21:55Why is this necessary?
00:21:56There is actually an existential threat all over the world.
00:22:00When you look around the world, in societies, modern city life,
00:22:06The sociology and climate brought about by modernization lead to individualism and loneliness.
00:22:12This presents us with social scenarios where the elderly population is increasing and the elderly population is becoming increasingly isolated.
00:22:22This stretches from England to Japan.
00:22:24A Ministry for Loneliness has been established in England.
00:22:28A ministry for loneliness has been established in Japan.
00:22:30This is because social ties are dissolving.
00:22:33The institution of the family is under intense pressure all over the world.
00:22:38This is why the Family Foundation works on solutions to all these developments.
00:22:43to create awareness in society,
00:22:45to concretize this awareness as a social demand and on this occasion
00:22:52To work to ensure that the public and political authorities implement solutions.
00:22:56How beautiful, how beautiful.
00:22:57Professor, the Ministry of Loneliness has really caught my attention.
00:23:01You know, those stars that wander alone in the sky,
00:23:05"I'm just as lonely as you are on this earth," he says.
00:23:07Doesn't it actually stem somewhat from how a person deals with their own ego?
00:23:13Being alone or letting one's ego get the better of them,
00:23:16without experiencing or sharing any difficulties or sorrows.
00:23:19Say what?
00:23:20How should we control our desires in order to combat this?
00:23:23Of course, there are different degrees of loneliness.
00:23:26You know the saying, "Loneliness belongs only to God."
00:23:30Absolute solitude, absolute seclusion, belongs exclusively to God Almighty.
00:23:38He has nothing with him except himself.
00:23:42The only being that exhibits unique and singular existence is God Almighty.
00:23:48Apart from that, because creatures are diverse, because they are numerous,
00:23:55The multitude, in fact, supports unity when they stand in solidarity with one another under the banner of unity.
00:24:00You can even delve into political philosophy from here.
00:24:04So, a society has multiple elements, multiple structures.
00:24:09There is no single, monolithic structure within society.
00:24:11But you need an overarching umbrella, a philosophy, an ideology, a religion, an encompassing shield that can unite it into a single entity.
00:24:21if,
00:24:22Those differences are not actually in conflict with each other, but rather they reinforce each other.
00:24:30A small example of this can be seen in the family model.
00:24:32Two different people, born to two different parents, perhaps from different nations, different cultures, or at least different genders.
00:24:45One is male, one is female.
00:24:47For in the holy verse, God Almighty says, "I created you from a male and a female."
00:24:52This is a divine principle.
00:24:54If something exists within divine principles, then it is a fundamental principle.
00:24:59So, it's impossible, it can't be, to derive a term like a third gender, a fourth gender, or a fifth gender from this.
00:25:08So removing it is unnaturally good.
00:25:11Because it's a deviation.
00:25:12Deviation is good, the unnatural is good.
00:25:13So, it's not possible.
00:25:15It can't be through hormones, it can't be systemic.
00:25:18Existence, at its creation, was created as a male and a female.
00:25:24The entire universe, the whole cosmos.
00:25:25The material world is like that too.
00:25:27Even in electricity, there's a ground, a negative and a positive.
00:25:32When the two come together, energy flows.
00:25:34That's how it is in the animal kingdom.
00:25:36That's how it is in the world of minerals.
00:25:38For example, it's like that in the plant kingdom.
00:25:40So there are female plants and male plants.
00:25:43The entire system is built upon this.
00:25:45So that you may get along.
00:25:48It means you should socialize and get to know each other.
00:25:51Not so that you may become enemies of one another.
00:25:53So, for example, a man has his own specific hormone.
00:25:57It has its own unique structure.
00:25:59It is a structure created by God Almighty.
00:26:01The female, likewise, has her own unique structure.
00:26:05And when those two structures come together, they actually become excellent teachers for each other.
00:26:10Oh, really? I mean, all my married friends say this...
00:26:13They complement each other, too.
00:26:14They complement each other and learn from one another.
00:26:17So, your perspective as a man on an event, a topic, in a certain way.
00:26:22But a woman's perspective can be different.
00:26:25For example, he can see things you can't.
00:26:27The opposite is also possible.
00:26:28For example, you can see things that he/she can't.
00:26:31So what happens then?
00:26:32As the saying goes, "Two heads are better than one."
00:26:37Two things bring strength and power together.
00:26:39Does this make life easier in this world, professor?
00:26:42The two of them came together.
00:26:43Something that makes your whole life, your whole lifestyle, easier.
00:26:48Solidarity is also a school of thought in education.
00:26:51So, from a Sufi perspective, family, establishing a family, is also a method of observation.
00:26:57Let's consider the most negative scenario.
00:27:00So, maybe we painted too rosy a picture, but...
00:27:03Let's say there might be couples who, for some reason, don't understand each other, who can't get along.
00:27:09Is it possible?
00:27:09It could be.
00:27:10Let's say this has different levels.
00:27:12But even in that disagreement, sometimes, let's say, if a man is going to achieve something,
00:27:19For example, he can also achieve it by enduring that woman.
00:27:23Or if a lady is to attain enlightenment, if she is to become enlightened,
00:27:28He can only achieve this by enduring that gentleman.
00:27:31For example, it helps with maturity and patience.
00:27:34For example, he is patient with certain things.
00:27:36Of course, they all have different levels.
00:27:38Of course, when things reach unbearable levels, different conclusions can be reached.
00:27:44But in our time, sir, it has been made much easier.
00:27:50When one spouse says something like, "Go too far," it can immediately lead to divorce.
00:27:57This is not a good thing.
00:27:59So you'll also learn to tolerate each other.
00:28:02For us personally, it's a family, a school, an institution.
00:28:07I personally learned a lot.
00:28:09So I thought I knew some things.
00:28:12For example, if I know anything, it's that I know nothing.
00:28:17For example, you can see it there.
00:28:19You are being so unforgivingly arrogant.
00:28:22We're professors, you know, we're lecturers too.
00:28:24You're saying this and that.
00:28:26Suddenly, madam, your husband says something.
00:28:29The entire system is collapsing.
00:28:32Yes, sir, we also ask people on the street about the atmosphere of Ramadan.
00:28:39And let's see what our citizens think about the holy month of Ramadan.
00:28:44We will be together again after that.
00:28:46Please come in.
00:28:53One characteristic of Ramadan is that it is a form of education, a school.
00:28:56So, solidarity, unity, sharing, bear.
00:29:00These are all related to the ego.
00:29:02So these are a form of training.
00:29:03For people who are hungry, fasting is a shield.
00:29:07So the devil flows through a person's veins.
00:29:10When he goes hungry, God creates barriers in his veins.
00:29:14Therefore, the month of deliverance from Satan is the month of self-discipline.
00:29:19So, throughout history, eating less, sleeping less, and talking less have always been recommended.
00:29:26These are the things we are trying to learn in this Ramadan school.
00:29:30Hopefully, we will experience this again after this Ramadan.
00:29:33During Ramadan, we will strive to make our lives a continuous Ramadan.
00:29:35The whole issue is about struggling with your inner self, your ego. What does the Messenger of Allah say?
00:29:40They're coming out of a great war, and he says, "Now that we've finished the heavy load, we're going for the big one."
00:29:44How, O Messenger of Allah?
00:29:45Of course, he says.
00:29:45He who struggles against his own desires is the greatest champion.
00:29:48Ramadan is something that the Lord of the Worlds has sent us to discipline our souls.
00:29:57Okay, we'll have to endure the scarcity.
00:30:00We will consider the scarcity and deficiencies of the poor and the needy.
00:30:07But we also need to discipline our egos.
00:30:11When hunger strikes, God Almighty reminds us of hungry people.
00:30:19For example, we are fasting, but then the evening call to prayer is heard, and it says "eat."
00:30:23Our mothers cook for us.
00:30:25But I mean, there are people who don't eat every day, not just during Ramadan, but throughout the year.
00:30:32God helps us remember them and things like that.
00:30:35I have been fasting since I was 7 years old, and I weigh 77.
00:30:39Hunger doesn't feel like anything if you get used to it; if you don't, that's a different matter.
00:30:46It is said that God called the 11 months "Sultaniye," meaning you eat and drink for 11 months and don't eat for 1 month.
00:30:53Why aren't you eating?
00:30:55You learn about worshiping God, about hunger and satiety, the hunger of the hungry, and the satiety of the satiated.
00:31:08Sir, our citizens also view fasting during Ramadan and the struggle against one's desires in this way.
00:31:15Mr. Öner, if you'd like, they said it's a school for Ramadan.
00:31:19Let's continue from here.
00:31:20Yes, my professor also emphasized it.
00:31:22The family is our first school, the place where we receive our upbringing, where our character and identity are shaped.
00:31:30And that's why we see the family as a target.
00:31:34So, essentially, this era is about identity.
00:31:37The age of identity crisis.
00:31:39In other words, identity is under attack; we are living through a period where movements towards de-gendering, secularizing, and de-nationalizing are at their peak.
00:31:51Our family is actually our shield against all of this.
00:31:56Who are the people in the school we call family?
00:31:59In the past, there were elders, wise elders who had seen much of life.
00:32:04There were the mothers, the fathers, and the neighborhood circle.
00:32:07Now, these are the things we are losing in big cities.
00:32:11Increasingly nuclear families.
00:32:14When you look at the statistics, the average household size in Türkiye is 3.
00:32:19The number of children has dropped to three; he was an only child.
00:32:22What does it mean to be an only child?
00:32:23We will lose the words uncle, aunt, and cousin in a generation.
00:32:28And this generation will grow up without knowing the word "brother" or "sister."
00:32:32This means a generation prone to egoism and narcissism is coming.
00:32:37How we will ensure this social solidarity then is a major issue for us.
00:32:43So, how can we improve multi-generational households in these areas?
00:32:49How can we bring extended families back to life, and how can we create suitable spaces for them in big city life?
00:32:57And how can we make it attractive to us again?
00:33:01We are working on it.
00:33:02What is our problem?
00:33:03Those who witnessed it, our elders, their grandchildren, grandmothers and grandfathers, the joyful homes, the homes that had become schools, are once again present in this climate under the pressure of modern life.
00:33:16We want to establish dominance.
00:33:18Thanks.
00:33:19They talked about egoism, they talked about narcissism, sir.
00:33:22So, there are actually a lot of storms raging inside a person's inner world.
00:33:26And within ourselves, we constantly struggle with our emotions, thoughts, and mental conflicts.
00:33:34And at the heart of it all is, indeed, the ego.
00:33:38What kind of delicious thing is this that takes us from one state to another like this?
00:33:45Now, my dear brother, Islamic philosophers, theologians, and members of various other schools of thought have offered different interpretations.
00:33:55However, according to the Sufis, the Sufi metaphysicians I've been trying to follow, there is actually only one mechanism within humans.
00:34:04So there's no such thing as a duality, a conflict between light and darkness, where the soul is separate from the ego.
00:34:13There is only one, only light, only truth, no falsehood, in that sense.
00:34:22So, these are positive qualities.
00:34:26There is a soul, but not a true ego in that sense.
00:34:30So, where do these negative traits come from?
00:34:35Don't they exist?
00:34:37Do the traits you just mentioned, such as narcissism, ego, etc., exist in humans? Yes, they do.
00:34:44Does it exist in society? Yes, it does.
00:34:45Sir, while we are having this Ramadan discussion here, Muslim countries are fighting each other, or being made to fight each other.
00:34:53For example, Muslim regions are being bombed.
00:34:56This is what we are currently witnessing as a manifestation of the lower self, the unruly ego.
00:35:02May God help the Muslim world.
00:35:04Amine.
00:35:04May unity be granted.
00:35:06Amine.
00:35:06Let us pray in the same way at this blessed hour.
00:35:10In reality, the soul, the part of a person closest to God, gradually becomes the ego, the name it takes on as it descends from the lowest levels.
00:35:22So, let's list some bad traits within the self, for example.
00:35:26Just a moment ago, for example, we talked about lust.
00:35:29Now, let's say, for example, narcissism.
00:35:31What is it?
00:35:32Khotbinlik.
00:35:33For example, having a high opinion of oneself, right?
00:35:35That's a bad thing.
00:35:36Arrogance.
00:35:37That's a terrible thing.
00:35:37Actually, it's not Sufism that kills him.
00:35:41This is a skill you already possess, he says.
00:35:44He's disciplining it.
00:35:45It works.
00:35:47How he derives courage from lust.
00:35:50Similarly, when you tame what might appear as narcissism, egoism, it can actually give you something called self-confidence.
00:36:01For example, its positive aspect.
00:36:03The negative form is narcissism.
00:36:05What do you mean, "me, me, there's no one else but me, who are you to think I know everything, I know everything"?
00:36:12The downside of doing it, the negative aspect, is that I'm doing it this way.
00:36:16But you can only learn this by being educated and trained in the school, hearth, and at the feet of a wise man, in the light of the lessons you have received, of course, if...
00:36:28If there is such an intention, such a desire, such a will—and being a disciple requires that will—then...
00:36:35So what happens then?
00:36:36You're slowly progressing from that rawness to maturity.
00:36:40Some of them are saying the wrong things on their way out.
00:36:42We killed the ego and brought the spirit in its place.
00:36:46The ego never dies.
00:36:47You cannot kill the ego.
00:36:49It's impossible.
00:36:50So, they couldn't even kill Christian mystics, you see.
00:36:53Fats are coming from somewhere.
00:36:54What will you do?
00:36:55You will process it, transforming it from the ego into a spiritual entity.
00:36:59Because the ego is the hardened, ossified form of the soul.
00:37:03The ego is the manifestation of the soul in matter.
00:37:06When you spiritualize and polish it—what the ancients called the stages of purification, cleansing, and refining—that's when it truly becomes spiritual.
00:37:14They explain how to polish it.
00:37:18As we often say in an analogy, in Cappadocia, tourists are put inside a hot air balloon, and after a while, the balloon rises due to the gas.
00:37:27It's starting to turn out to be true.
00:37:28However, the sandbags inside the basket are trying to pull it down.
00:37:33And it is caught between two forces.
00:37:35The more sandbags he throws, the higher he gradually starts to rise.
00:37:40Thus, as you gradually shed one bag, two bags, four bags, five bags of bad qualities from your ego, the soul slowly finds its own path.
00:37:50He already finds it.
00:37:51Because God says, "I created you."
00:37:55Brother Mustafa, this verse is very important.
00:37:57I think we should ponder this verse morning and evening.
00:38:01I created you.
00:38:05I breathed my spirit into you.
00:38:07This is amazing!
00:38:09God breathed His own spirit into me.
00:38:12I carry the spirit of God.
00:38:13You carry the spirit of God.
00:38:15When a person knows this, then, you see, a sense of self-confidence emerges.
00:38:20But this isn't narcissism.
00:38:22This isn't arrogance.
00:38:23A sense of self-confidence gradually begins to emerge, and one starts to draw closer to God.
00:38:28Once one begins to find joy, light, and illumination from their Lord, other things and objects begin to fade away.
00:38:38It isn't happening.
00:38:38We will not kill worldly life.
00:38:41We will live life on Earth.
00:38:43But it descends to the second, third order.
00:38:46Then a model of a perfect human being emerges.
00:38:48Professor, you're saying that Yunus Emre's words, "I have found the sweetest honey, let my beehive be plundered," seem to become even more meaningless.
00:38:57Of course, of course.
00:38:58There are hundreds of examples.
00:38:59This is what the wise men wanted to say in all their divans, speeches, and poems.
00:39:04Let's talk about Niyazi Mısri, let's talk about Mevlana, let's talk about Hacı Ahmet Esebi, let's talk about Hacı Bektaşi Veli.
00:39:12That's what they're focusing on.
00:39:13I was raw, I was burned, I was cooked.
00:39:17So how can I transform a mature, unrefined person—a person dominated by their ego—into a spiritual person?
00:39:26That's the story, that's the summary.
00:39:27Thanks.
00:39:28Mr. Üner, of course, the problems our families face also have a universal dimension, as you mentioned.
00:39:36Because we are under the influence of a grand objective or a malicious idea.
00:39:44But that's a very large aspect of the issue.
00:39:47There is also something to be considered in terms of protecting the members of the family itself.
00:39:54And Boden says that the age has produced substances and practices that devastate our bodies and enslave our souls, using a number of tools.
00:40:05What do you have to say about this?
00:40:07Let's come this way, broadly, just like you did.
00:40:11We talked about an identity problem.
00:40:12We said that in this era there is an identity problem, an identity crisis.
00:40:15There is a crisis of meaning.
00:40:17We don't know why we're doing what we're doing.
00:40:19Or we forget.
00:40:20In other words, the blessings of a task that we begin with "Bismillah" (in the name of God) and finish with gratitude and praise are worlds long.
00:40:30But when you forget this, why did you do what you did?
00:40:33Starting and carrying out a task in the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, is one thing.
00:40:39It's one thing to act like a loose cannon without knowing why you're doing it.
00:40:44Do you know where we don't see this identity crisis?
00:40:48Gaza and Palestine.
00:40:50Our brothers and sisters in Gaza are so aware of who they are, why they are there, and what they are fighting for.
00:40:59And they pass this down from generation to generation within the family.
00:41:03It is this identity, this awareness, that enables them to demonstrate that upright stance.
00:41:10What are the consequences of this?
00:41:11They are paying the price there with their blood and lives.
00:41:14Humanity is beginning to awaken all over the world.
00:41:19Seeing this, the terrorist state of Israel declares media and social media as its 8th front.
00:41:26And there, they declare that they will target people's minds and hearts.
00:41:32Now, let's get to your question.
00:41:33How does this eighth facade enter our house?
00:41:37They access it through the screens.
00:41:40Especially in the digital age, people access work through phones, tablets, and smart TVs.
00:41:48Last year, we, as the Family Foundation, conducted a field study.
00:41:51With approximately 5,000 people in 26 provinces.
00:41:54And there's a very interesting point we discovered in this field research, Mr. Mustafa.
00:42:00As parents' screen time increases, children's levels of pressure, distress, and anxiety also increase.
00:42:06Children who experience increased pressure, distress, and anxiety levels have a reduced sense of belonging to their country and are more likely to say, "I will seek my future in another country."
00:42:17Therefore, if we, as parents, want to reduce the levels of pressure, stress, and anxiety our children experience, we need to reconsider our relationship with screens.
00:42:29A second point is that we are now in an era where children are nurtured by screens.
00:42:35We are giving our children screens instead of pacifiers.
00:42:38So that she'll be quiet, so she won't cry, so she'll be distracted.
00:42:42The biggest mistake we're making is leaving our children digitally orphaned.
00:42:47We have to bear the responsibility of being digital parents.
00:42:52And in the digital world, we have to stand guard over our children.
00:42:57Allow me to mention one more point.
00:43:01We are in the spirit of Ramadan.
00:43:03Families come together at iftar meals.
00:43:06We mentioned that pressure, stress, and anxiety levels are increasing in children.
00:43:10The thing that makes children feel happiest and most peaceful is at the dinner table.
00:43:15Unfortunately, we are losing this in our homes.
00:43:18What guarantees our independence is our burning hearths.
00:43:23But today, in modern city life, our hearths have gone out.
00:43:28Home delivery food orders have started to be placed through various applications.
00:43:33Who cooked that meal?
00:43:35What was his state of mind while cooking?
00:43:37We don't just get food, material nourishment, from that meal.
00:43:42We are also exposed to certain spiritual influences.
00:43:45We need to rethink all of this from scratch, to find a way out of this climate that city life has trapped us in.
00:43:53Yes, professor, they mentioned belonging, but as you stated at the beginning, we, as human beings, come from God and will undoubtedly return to God.
00:44:02But it seems we are witnessing our ego plunging us into a crisis regarding our sense of belonging.
00:44:07Because the modern age constantly encourages us to satisfy our desires, to pamper and inflate our egos, and so on.
00:44:16The qualities you mentioned, which will bring our souls closer to God and guide us on our journey to our true homeland, can only be attained by distancing ourselves from these things.
00:44:28What do you think about this sense of belonging thing?
00:44:32This is the era called the age of the lower self (nafs al-ammara).
00:44:34So, this modern age we live in is an age in which the lower self (nafs al-ammara) is strengthened and refined.
00:44:41The lower self (nafs al-ammara) also conceals the existence of other levels of the self, spiritual levels, above itself.
00:44:49He knows, but unfortunately he's keeping it a secret.
00:44:52He's holding onto her so she doesn't leave, so she doesn't rise any higher.
00:44:57Because "emmare bis sui" is how it is described in the verse.
00:45:00People want him to do evil, they want him to do wrong.
00:45:04And as I mentioned earlier, the modern age, with its screens and digital environments, is practically pouring sewage into our homes.
00:45:20They provide role models for young people.
00:45:23If you remove the role model of the perfect human being from that equation, then for people in general, but especially for young people, the ideal of being mature and competent becomes irrelevant.
00:45:35If you exclude the societal goal of becoming a complete human being,
00:45:40They find a role model for themselves.
00:45:43There is no vacuum in the universe.
00:45:44As role models, they are actually a group adorned and embellished with deficient qualities, I don't want to express it...
00:45:59As is the case in any society with low morals, people will take those individuals as role models.
00:46:05I don't know, if you show mafia series that glorify or promote gang activity, unfortunately, those kids...
00:46:18Today, for example, even in the games of children, of very young children, what are the commands based on?
00:46:23Kill, kill, kill.
00:46:26You even earn bonuses and points as you kill.
00:46:30Now, when playing so many games, if so many subliminal messages enter that child's brain in a simple game,
00:46:39Let's say that child is 3 years old, 5 years old, or maybe 10 years old at most.
00:46:43And the word "kill" becomes so soft to him, it seems like something simple.
00:46:50But Sezai Karakoç says, "May you be resurrected even if you come to kill yourself."
00:46:55In our culture, the one who comes to kill you should also be resurrected; how can messages like resurrection, love, and revival be conveyed?
00:47:06Unfortunately, this is experiencing a deadlock in our country.
00:47:09So, some want to give, and some don't want to be given.
00:47:13So what alternative does someone who doesn't want it, who says "no, no," offer?
00:47:20He can't offer an alternative either.
00:47:22So, it's about rakı literature and the more flesh I show, the more flesh I display from my body, and the more rakı I drink.
00:47:31literature.
00:47:32Beyond that, it could be a model, something we can all benefit from together, for example.
00:47:38That's also missing.
00:47:39So, it has now been medically proven that even the smallest amount of alcohol is harmful during the blessed month of Ramadan.
00:47:48So some people say that even in very small amounts, it's good for the heart.
00:47:52No, in Western cultures, there are many health problems, primarily fatty liver disease.
00:47:58But go to airports today, and you'll see them while browsing in duty-free shops.
00:48:05Or the alcohol product, the things made from alcohol, are packaged in such exquisite packaging.
00:48:13I don't want to mention their names during this blessed month of Ramadan.
00:48:15But their bottles, their glass, their designs are magnificent.
00:48:21They've made it so appealing.
00:48:23That's what the modern world is like.
00:48:25Everything that appeals to the ego is actually made to look so appealing.
00:48:29The world of packaging, the world of visuals.
00:48:33But tear up that image.
00:48:34Go inside and see if what's inside is true.
00:48:38So that's the main point.
00:48:40So, in the digital world, what we're experiencing today is also called screen civilization.
00:48:46All of these things actually serve the desires of the ego, its tendency to become a hindrance.
00:48:52It serves a purpose, yes, unfortunately.
00:48:54But this is a tool.
00:48:55Therefore, it's like having a knife, or rather, the same bread.
00:48:58You can cut bread with that knife too.
00:49:00Sir, you can also kill a living creature unjustly.
00:49:03This isn't directly against digitalization, and we shouldn't be.
00:49:08But we need to use this wisely.
00:49:11May it serve you, truth, and the soul.
00:49:13Thanks.
00:49:14Teacher, it's time for iftar in Ankara.
00:49:18Enjoy your meal, dear friends, in our beautiful Ankara.
00:49:20May Allah accept your fasting.
00:49:23May your tables be bountiful.
00:49:26We also say Amen to this beautiful prayer.
00:49:29Dear viewers.
00:49:31Our Ramadan Joy program continues on TRT1 after the call to prayer in Ankara.
00:49:37I'd like to turn to Mr. Üner in our studio.
00:49:42In terms of family, our goal, what we want to achieve, is clear.
00:49:48So what have we done?
00:49:50What kinds of activities do we offer?
00:49:51What concrete things have we done?
00:49:52What concrete things are we doing?
00:49:53Let's pick up where my professor left off.
00:49:55So, my professor talked about captivating illusions.
00:50:00This is how it will take the lower self to its peak.
00:50:03October 7th in Gaza shattered those illusions.
00:50:07Hallelujah.
00:50:08Yes.
00:50:08It is precisely at this point that we are holding our workshop on sociocultural risks and threats to the family.
00:50:15We did it at Boğaziçi University.
00:50:17That was also a meaningful event, and the outcomes of that workshop are there, Mr. Mustafa.
00:50:26Speaking of screens, we are living in an era where we are launching Turkish satellites into space.
00:50:33We feel so proud.
00:50:34We are broadcasting through those satellites in a way that makes us blush.
00:50:38Today, in some countries, people insult each other by saying things like, "They saw your mother in a Turkish TV series."
00:50:46We're spending so much money, putting in so much effort, and look where we've ended up.
00:50:50In Russia, there is talk of banning Turkish TV series due to the harm they cause to Russian society.
00:50:56There's some deterioration on the screens.
00:50:58We started a petition about this.
00:51:01We collected 105,000 signatures.
00:51:03This contains name, surname, Turkish Republic identity number, and contact information.
00:51:07That's 105,000 petitions.
00:51:09We received these and took them to our parliament.
00:51:11We signed a cooperation protocol with RTÜK (Radio and Television Supreme Council).
00:51:14We are working together with RTÜK (Radio and Television Supreme Council).
00:51:16We are examining family representations in Türkiye.
00:51:20We are conducting an academic study on the highest-rated television series.
00:51:25We will crown all of this with the digital maelstrom summit in April.
00:51:29But we have a concrete proposal.
00:51:30We are saying that when a factory or facility is being built, we require an environmental impact assessment report.
00:51:38When this factory is built, what harm will it cause to plants, what harm will it cause to animals, will it block the migration routes of birds, will it pollute the water?
00:51:47We're working, aren't we?
00:51:48Yes.
00:51:48Let's do something similar in productions as well.
00:51:51Let's conduct a social impact analysis.
00:51:55There's no point in punishing someone after the damage has been done.
00:51:59The impact any construction will have on society before any damage occurs...
00:52:05So we're talking about preliminary accounting.
00:52:06Of course, sociologists, psychologists, field experts should work on it, and educators should be involved in the scripts of the productions…
00:52:13Do you think this is a coincidence?
00:52:15This year, all the TV series feature stories about women cheating on their husbands.
00:52:19Now, this will have an impact on society.
00:52:22Daytime television programs generalize isolated examples to the whole of society, portraying the family as the center of the problem.
00:52:30Then we wonder why young people aren't getting married.
00:52:33Because when young people watch television, family problems become central.
00:52:37But when you look at field research, 94% of the public says that family is the center of solutions for them.
00:52:44If we have a problem, we go to our family.
00:52:48Publications that once portrayed the family as the center of problems need to adopt a perspective that presents the family as the center of solutions.
00:52:58That's what we're working towards.
00:52:59Family problems are also very much related to our inner maturity and personality maturity, professor.
00:53:08The holy month of Ramadan, by forcing us to go without food through fasting, actually provides an example of how to purify our souls.
00:53:18Because simply fasting during Ramadan doesn't automatically reform our souls.
00:53:24To extend this throughout the year and to strengthen our devotion, we constantly need certain things.
00:53:31Going hungry isn't the only solution; sleeping less and talking less are also part of the "less is more" formula, as you know.
00:53:39When we think this way, what exactly should we do within our families to successfully overcome our own desires and achieve results?
00:53:51So we need to have a suggestion for today's people.
00:53:54Do this so that we can see these positive developments both in your family and in yourself personally.
00:54:00The family is essentially a tiny cell.
00:54:05This family, of course, consists of at least two people, but the number increases when children are included.
00:54:14The extended family, a characteristic we have unfortunately lost, is one of the most significant blows of modernity, which invented the concept of the nuclear family.
00:54:23to do.
00:54:24In this structure, it all ultimately begins with the individual.
00:54:30So, parents are very important here.
00:54:34The mother will receive her own education, her spiritual education, and she will find nourishment from somewhere.
00:54:40Father likewise.
00:54:41Here, only in our tradition do we have the concept of a father as the pole of a tent, the head of the household.
00:54:52The aim here is not to create a male rival to the mother.
00:54:58Here, the man has more responsibility, and the woman plays a supportive role to the father, the head of the household, but especially regarding the children.
00:55:11While they were raising their children, it was more of an internal education, a kind of Enderun education, because the father was at work, outside the home, so the mother, for example, had a different role towards her children.
00:55:21The training is much warmer and much more firsthand.
00:55:26But the father needs to act as a supervisor, a kind of control mechanism.
00:55:31The father is a symbol of authority.
00:55:33The father's authority is essential.
00:55:36In some modern perspectives, there are even types of fathers who are allowed to do whatever they want.
00:55:43So no, the father needs to assert a certain authority.
00:55:48This is a sweet kind of authority.
00:55:50The opposite is true because chaos is true.
00:55:54In that sense, you can actually turn your family into a kind of school.
00:55:59You can create a beautiful, warm home with your family, your children, and your spouse.
00:56:06But this also requires spiritual nourishment.
00:56:10What kind of diet are we talking about, professor?
00:56:11Spiritual nourishment is a long topic.
00:56:14So, it's necessary to engage with spirituality.
00:56:20A person should have a separate life path depending on their mother and father.
00:56:26After a certain stage, their twins will eventually merge.
00:56:30Thus, the two spiritual journeys become one spiritual journey.
00:56:35We have such examples in our tradition.
00:56:37For example, a woman might want to become a disciple of a sheikh,
00:56:42She takes part in the entertainment with her husband.
00:56:45That is, they give names to themselves in their journey.
00:56:48But husband and wife walk that path together, for example, without separating.
00:56:53Such methods existed in the past as well.
00:56:55Nowadays, we have somewhat reduced what we call spiritual education to just psychology.
00:57:05We have somewhat excluded or removed spirituality from religious education.
00:57:09Our religious messages are also becoming more material, more tangible, more physical.
00:57:14Religion took on a physical aspect.
00:57:16In other words, the physical aspect, the apparent aspect, let's say.
00:57:19In other words, we have become content with merely providing information about its shape or direction.
00:57:24But religion is spirituality.
00:57:26But religion is the art of establishing a connection with God.
00:57:30We need to teach this.
00:57:32However it is taught.
00:57:33So the Quran says, "I am closer to you than your own rebellion."
00:57:37For example, he says, "Wherever you are, I am with you."
00:57:40How will we teach this sense of community to our young people?
00:57:44So, to prevent peer bullying, for example in high schools and middle schools...
00:57:50My son, my child, look, that child whose face you slapped, that child's face is the face of God.
00:57:55It is a face created by God.
00:57:58When you hit him, you're actually hitting yourself.
00:58:01We need to make them aware of it.
00:58:03That child should see him not as an enemy, but as a brother.
00:58:07To increase human respect for one another, and fear of the Creator.
00:58:10Of course, of course, of course.
00:58:12So, Yunus Emre hasn't been revealed to us in a social sense; he's not someone who has been internalized within our society.
00:58:17Yunus is an object of Turkish classical music, Turkish folk music, or Turkish Sufi music, only with some of his hymns.
00:58:25Beyond that, we need to turn them into social architects.
00:58:28Let's take Yunus Emre, Hacı Bektaş Veli, and Mevlana.
00:58:31Yes, so you're saying spiritual role models are important here, my esteemed professor.
00:58:36Yes, sir, tonight on our Ramadan Joy program, we will be discussing both family and the struggle against the ego, and by relating the two, we will show our viewers how to attain truth.
00:58:50We tried to explain how it could be done or what kind of journey could be made to achieve it.
00:58:55Thank you very much. It was a really nice conversation, watching on screen.
00:59:01I hope our viewers think the same way.
00:59:05Thank you so much for your visit!
00:59:07Iftar time is approaching in Istanbul.
00:59:10There is very little time left.
00:59:12Let's say a short prayer and then head towards iftar together.
00:59:17Here you go.
00:59:17Amine
00:59:20Praise be to Allah, praise be to Allah, praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
00:59:24Ve salatu wa salamu ala Resulina Muhammad ve ala alihi wa ashabihi ajma'in
00:59:31O Lord of the Worlds, at this blessed time of breaking the fast, we raise our hands in prayer for your pleasure.
00:59:39We believe that prayers are answered at this time, and we humbly request your forgiveness.
00:59:49O Lord, do not let us follow our own desires, do not let us follow Satan, do not let us become playthings of our ego, our passions, and Satan.
00:59:58Remove all animosity and discrimination between us and our brothers.
01:00:04Under the umbrella of our noble religion Islam, and within the framework of the Prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) concept of community, we love, support, and care for one another.
01:00:17May God grant us the strength to continue our lives as siblings.
01:00:21Make us among those whom You are pleased with. Amen.
01:00:24All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
01:00:26Yes, dear viewers, it's time for iftar in Istanbul.
01:00:31May Allah accept your prayers and bless your joy of breaking your fast.
01:00:35Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.
01:00:42I bear witness that there is no god but Allah
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01:01:19I bear witness that there is no god but Allah
01:01:37I bear witness that there is no god but Allah
01:02:06I bear witness that there is no god but Allah
01:02:18There is no god but Allah.
01:02:33Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar
01:02:37La ilahe illa Allah
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01:03:47We will be here at the same time again.
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01:03:57Dear viewers
01:03:58Our guests
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01:04:09Until we meet again, may God protect you.
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