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00:01This program documents actual homicide investigations.
00:05Criminal charges are often dropped or reduced,
00:07and all suspects shown are presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
00:20A quiet afternoon in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
00:25A woman finds her brother on the floor of his home.
00:30Dead.
00:31And calls 9-1-1.
00:49On the wall, it looks like you were stumbling.
00:52I didn't see any force in you.
00:55Not on the front door, not on the back door.
01:00There is a little bit of one on his bed frame.
01:03It looks like where he may have hit it and then fallen over.
01:06You know, after he got cast.
01:08I'll check him out.
01:10The medical examiner's office will conduct an autopsy
01:13to determine cause of death.
01:15You want me to call Sergeant Ricker or tell him?
01:17No, I'm going to call him.
01:17At once I knew him.
01:23This is Corporate York.
01:29When they did the autopsy, they actually noticed some wounds in the area of the neck.
01:34Dr. Terry said she's going to deem it a homicide.
01:47For homicide detectives, their chance of solving a murder is cut in half if they don't get a lead within
01:55the first 48 hours.
02:02Due to the fact that this happened over the weekend, we're going to pull in other members of the unit
02:06because I'm behind the eight ball and got a little catch-up to do.
02:20Saturday night, we had a suspicious death.
02:23Guy laying face down.
02:24Uniform goes out, sees him.
02:25He's laying at the foot of his bed.
02:29His name's Ray Neal.
02:3361-year-old Ray Neal, known to friends as Raybone, was born in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
02:40He had a daughter and three sons.
02:44Recently diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver, Ray had been relying on help from friends and family for day-to
02:50-day tasks.
02:53This guy's got 47 stabbing.
02:56He's got two to the back, one on the neck, one to the left shoulder.
03:00One actually goes through and through, but all the wounds are two and a half to three inches deep.
03:06It's personal, I mean, stabbing him like that.
03:10What uniform got when they went out on a Friday evening?
03:13His sister picks him up at the Chevron on Langley Drive around 4 p.m., brings him back to the
03:18address on Lexington.
03:21Saturday morning, his sister, they go inside and find him obviously face down next to the bed.
03:26And his body is covered up with two blankets.
03:29Like, intentionally covered up?
03:31Probably.
03:33And then they call police out.
03:35There was no bloody knife in the bedroom.
03:39There was a knife on the TV stand, but it was clean.
03:45Maybe he was face down, stabbed him in the back.
03:48I don't know.
03:50The family took the guy's phone, so they started going through the phone themselves.
03:55There are a few calls around like 5.19 a.m.
03:59Hegwood's working on getting the phones downloaded.
04:01I'm doing the search warrant.
04:03Focus on the scene and redo the scene and we'll get all your stuff there and then interview you people
04:08later.
04:10At this stage in the game, we're going to do another secondary search warrant out the house.
04:14I want to do some additional fingerprint.
04:16Maybe do some blue star.
04:19You comfortable with the sister?
04:21She's going to meet me out the house anyways.
04:31This guy, as old as he is, I'm just wondering if he's established himself in the community to where we
04:37might get some tips.
04:39Once people learn that, you know, it was a homicide, people may know who he hangs out with.
04:45I believe that right now, whoever stabbed our victim, it was personal.
04:49It's just a matter of figuring out who he was with or who would have had a beef with him.
05:01Walk through and then I'll go talk to the sister.
05:06He was dead next to the bed.
05:09He did not have a wallet or ID card, no cash, nothing.
05:15I mean, that's blood, right?
05:16Yeah, that was blood.
05:19Blood evidence in the bathroom.
05:22The light plate.
05:24Let's pull that light switch and process that.
05:28Bridge detail, maybe four fingerprints.
05:32And then blue star.
05:34The bedroom, the hallway, and the bathroom.
05:36I'm going to go out there.
05:45Hey, I'm sorry to bother you.
05:47You live here?
05:47Yeah.
05:49We're investigating a homicide over here.
05:51Friday into Saturday.
05:52Uh-huh.
05:53Did you notice anything suspicious?
05:56There's so much traffic be in and out that place.
05:58I don't know what be going on, sir.
06:00OK.
06:00You know, like, it's just me and my son live here.
06:02Right, right.
06:03Now mind my own business.
06:05How long does the people want more hanging around?
06:08It's not very, very long.
06:10You know, I just noticed, like, cars come, leave, come.
06:15OK.
06:16Two, three minutes leave, go in, come out the house.
06:20OK.
06:20You know.
06:21All the way up to, like, sometime 1230, 1 o'clock in the morning.
06:25OK.
06:26I hope you find out what's going on up there,
06:29but that's pretty close to my house.
06:31Yeah.
06:32We're going to do everything within our means
06:33to figure out what happened.
06:43I believe there's drug activity going on in this house.
06:45OK.
06:45I'll just put it out on the table.
06:49I'm going to talk to the sister.
06:51Hi, Ms. Smalls.
06:52Can you entertain me for a little bit?
06:53Yes.
06:54OK.
06:59My name's Corporal York, and I'm sorry for whatever occurred.
07:03We're going to do everything we can to, you know,
07:05answer the question that you guys had.
07:07Can you just kind of tell me as a vet's go?
07:11So let me go back to Friday.
07:13He had been drinking.
07:15Did your brother have a problem drinking?
07:18Or was that a problem?
07:18Just last six months, he was going back and forth to the doctor,
07:21something about the doctor told him he was like borderline
07:24having cirrhosis of the liver and he need to stop drinking.
07:27OK.
07:28Well, he was drinking beer.
07:31I brought him home.
07:33It was about 5.30 or so.
07:36And I told him, I said, don't leave this house no more today.
07:40He's OK, bye.
07:42And I locked the door and closed it.
07:43OK.
07:44That was the last I seen out of him.
07:49Is there anyone else you can think of that would have any reason
07:52to want to harm your brother?
07:54That's just it.
07:56I don't know who would want to hurt him.
08:01Whoever knew that he always had cash money on it.
08:04How much does he normally keep it?
08:06I'm sure he had a couple of hundred dollars.
08:10Because we looked for it and there was no money in there.
08:15They took his money because he always had money and he had dough.
08:20What kind of?
08:22Crack.
08:22OK.
08:25He's a little nickel and dime kind of guy.
08:28So he had a couple little rocks that he sell just enough to get by and pay the bills.
08:35I feel like there's somebody that he knew, he's not the type person,
08:39that just let anybody in.
08:41So he knew who he was.
08:43And whoever he was locked the door and came out.
08:48You might want to talk to it over here?
08:50She gives the name of a friend of Ray's
08:52who had been staying with him until a few days ago.
08:56He had spent the night Wednesday night.
08:59He might be able to tell you a lot more than I can do,
09:01because he might be on the end scale of that side of him.
09:07Do you have a phone number for him?
09:09I can get a phone number.
09:12Thank you. Uh-huh.
09:20There may be some missing money.
09:22There may be some missing drugs.
09:26But, I mean, the manner of attack, it's personal.
09:31It's extremely personal.
09:34Corporal Dallas York calls the man who had been staying with Ray.
09:39Hey, good evening.
09:40My name's Corporal York at the Grant County Police Department.
09:43Yeah.
09:44I was wanting to see if you could meet with me.
09:47I just want to talk to you in reference to an individual named Ray Neal.
09:54Uh, what's convenient for you, sir?
09:56Uh, tomorrow.
09:57Yeah, that's fine.
09:59Okay, thank you.
10:00All right. Thanks, everybody.
10:03But, all in all, I think we're still in a pretty decent position,
10:07given the fact we had such a delayed start.
10:11So we'll see. We'll see what it foretells.
10:14We'll go at it in the morning.
10:26I want to look at the blue star.
10:29York pulls up crime scene photos from Ray's house.
10:33Blue star is a chemical that makes the iron content in blood.
10:37It'll show up bright blue when the lights are turned off.
10:43There's the blue star coming out.
10:47Yeah, definitely showing.
10:51That's in the kitchen.
10:54Look at that.
10:56With your naked eye, you couldn't tell a majority of that, especially on the scene.
11:02Look at this.
11:03Oh, no kidding.
11:05On the washing machine.
11:06Now, that's interesting.
11:09Zoom into the washing machine.
11:12That's a significant amount.
11:17There was clothes in it.
11:20There's a pillow in there.
11:22Oh, that's interesting.
11:24The pillow that was on his bed.
11:30Look at all the drops.
11:32Oh, no.
11:32Oh, no.
11:53Look at all the drops.
11:56Oh, smokes.
11:58So it was probably dripping off the knife and dripping off his hands.
12:05There's this print, remember?
12:07Yeah.
12:08And we took that, so maybe they can print that thing.
12:18Our victim's friend.
12:20He was evidently staying with the victim.
12:23Let's see what he's got to say.
12:27All right.
12:28I'm going to have a C right here.
12:29Hey, I'm Corporal Allen.
12:33Great.
12:34So how do you know him?
12:35My whole life, well, I was raised up together.
12:38Okay.
12:39As kids.
12:41Played in their backyard.
12:44Normally about, about every other day, I'll go over there.
12:47I'll call him and tell him I'm coming.
12:49He might need to go pay his water bill or go get money ordered for us.
12:53Okay.
12:54Might want me to go grab some beer or something like that.
12:58When's the last time you stayed over there?
13:01Thursday night, Friday morning.
13:04That's where my wife said, we're kind of like going through something right now.
13:07Because I've been staying there with friends.
13:10It was getting to be daylight.
13:11And I told him, I said, I've got some things I've got to do with something, but go ahead and
13:15leave.
13:15He said, all right.
13:17I said, but call me at home if you need me.
13:19And that's the last time I talked to him.
13:25What about as far as his whatever money he had?
13:28I don't know about that.
13:30He never put money in his body.
13:33When we were in the store, he would always put his money out of the right pocket.
13:37It seemed like he would just always put his money in the right pocket.
13:40How much money do you typically see him like?
13:43A few hundred?
13:45Nah, I can't tell you.
13:48So do you know where Greg's getting that money from?
13:51I don't know.
13:53Do you know him to use crack cocaine?
13:56Back years and years and years ago, yeah, but I ain't seen great high other than drinking in years.
14:03I'm talking years.
14:06Like either in the past or currently, do you ever use crack?
14:09No, I used to.
14:11Okay.
14:12Done every drug in this book.
14:13You know what I'm saying?
14:15Yeah.
14:15I got kids and grandkids now.
14:20It's going to be sort of bolts on it, but did you have anything to do with this?
14:26Hell no.
14:28I would never rate.
14:31Do you mind just giving me a sample of your DNA?
14:34Sure.
14:35Yeah.
14:37I mean, I ain't got no problem doing that because I wasn't there.
14:41I didn't do this to Ray.
14:42I wouldn't hurt Ray ever.
14:44You know what I'm saying?
14:48I mean, he's got no injuries.
14:50He gave us his DNA, his fingerprints.
14:53We've got a lot of that type of evidence at the scene.
14:56You need to eliminate him.
14:59The prints are in blood on the sink.
15:01How many prints of value did you get last night?
15:06The fingerprints on the light switch and sink do not have enough detail to make a comparison.
15:12The DNA and stuff.
15:13That's going to take, what, four or five months to get back?
15:26As the clock winds down.
15:29I thought we'd be a little bit further.
15:31At least someone will kind of push us in the direction that I feel we need to go.
15:37Somebody had something out for him.
15:39We just got to figure out who it was.
15:41I just think it was the she.
15:42Um, it just seems more like a female thing to stab somebody in the neck like that and then clean
15:48up immediately in the bathroom right outside the bedroom.
15:53Guys would have had a gun.
15:55The knife is personal.
15:56Like, they came over there, she saw him sitting there and she just couldn't take it no more.
15:59She grabbed a knife.
16:01And what's the motive?
16:03God, they got to be angry at him.
16:05Or if they're in cocaine psychosis, you can do a lot of crazy stuff in cocaine psychosis.
16:11I hope that blood on the sink is your perfect.
16:13Yeah.
16:14There's no way they're that good with a knife in order to do that much damage and not have a
16:20single cut on them.
16:24Have we seen anything on the phone yet?
16:27There's not a lot of content in it.
16:30Trying to identify some of these individuals that our victim was talking to on his phone records.
16:38Is this one on there for Boo?
16:44Blue had sent a message about needs $60.
16:49Blue was the last cop.
16:54My phone number, see if that guy is associated with a person.
17:02Carmen Hunt.
17:16I'd like to bring her in.
17:22Kind of get another feeler interview.
17:25You know, and obviously look for any lacerations.
17:31Yes, this is Corporal York County Police Department.
17:33I'm trying to reach Carmen Hunt.
17:34It's in reference to an investigation involving a subject named Ray Neal.
17:40If you would give me a call back, I would appreciate it.
18:01Boo's trying to call.
18:04Corporal York, Dorette County Police Department.
18:08Are you familiar with Ray Bone?
18:11No, I don't know anybody about Ray Bone.
18:14Okay, let me ask you.
18:16The reason I'm calling is your phone number is coming up in his call records.
18:22And I'd like to meet with you and show you this guy's picture, see where he knows you from.
18:28Is that a possibility?
18:33Do you want to come to me, or do you want me to come out to you?
18:37Okay.
18:41No, ma'am.
18:42Like I said, you're going to come up in the phone records, and I've got to figure out where this
18:45guy knows you from.
18:47Thank you, ma'am.
18:57They're coming over here.
18:59That's her.
19:01Carmen arrives with her girlfriend.
19:06Hey, Miss Carmen, I appreciate you meeting with me.
19:08I'm York.
19:12I'm working that homicide investigation.
19:14Okay.
19:15And basically, one of the phones that we downloaded had you as a contact and the number.
19:20Ray Neal.
19:21Goes by Ray Bone, Ray Bones.
19:24I do not know my body body.
19:27What does that do?
19:30He said one.
19:32You know, sometimes I go check on him, and he might have him wash his clothes or cook him something,
19:38because I cook.
19:40I always liked him.
19:43Okay.
19:44Let me show you, just to confirm.
19:48Is this your number?
19:50That's my number.
19:52And what was the point of that?
19:54I took him some food.
19:56Did you go in the house?
19:58I did.
19:58I was there for like 15 minutes.
20:01I always straighten that up for him.
20:02That's what I used to do for him.
20:04Did you do, do you remember doing any laundry or anything while you were over there?
20:08Yeah, I think he had to do a set of, he wanted some towels, whatever was in that basket.
20:13He wanted that washed.
20:16There was a text message that you sent him Friday evening, basically saying he needed $60. What was with that?
20:24He was supposed to let me borrow some money.
20:27I know this guy is a crack dealer, okay?
20:30That's confirmed.
20:32Can I ask you something too?
20:34I'm not trying to offend you or anything, it just sort of helps with the investigation.
20:38When's the last time you used crack?
20:40It's been a little while.
20:43I'm, I'm asking...
20:45Go ahead.
20:45Yeah.
20:45What, what happened?
20:47He's dead.
20:49Somebody killed him.
20:52How did he die though?
20:54He was stabbed.
20:57You know why they killed him?
20:59It's what we're trying to figure out.
21:04Obviously this is, this is emotional for you.
21:09He didn't do nothing to nobody.
21:14So when you went over there, did you notice any blood?
21:17No.
21:19What was that call about?
21:22They ask about her last phone call with Ray.
21:25I called him back and I told him what was coming and I never went back.
21:28He wanted me to bring him some more beer and she started tripping.
21:32She said we weren't going back over there.
21:35She says her girlfriend refused to take her back to Ray's house that night.
21:40So you weren't in Lawrenceville at that time?
21:42No.
21:43I swear I was not in Lawrenceville.
21:45I was with her.
21:47If you want to ask her and talk to her, you can.
21:50You want to step over there and ask her?
22:13Give us some clarification on the day?
22:14Yeah, she said it was Friday.
22:15Okay.
22:16Said you guys were there.
22:18Seems like a really nice lady.
22:23She tries to keep me straight because I'm not a bad person.
22:26I got an education.
22:28I work hard.
22:29I work basically every single day.
22:31I'm not out here taking or doing something for people.
22:35Like I work.
22:36And I work hard every single day.
22:40Sounds like she's a good person to have around.
22:42She is.
22:43She is.
22:45Did you hurt your hand there?
22:47Your right hand?
22:48Yes.
22:48Yeah.
22:49Yeah, it's a burn.
22:50It's a burn?
22:51Yeah.
22:52Oh, when did that happen?
22:54About maybe a week and a half.
22:57Would you be okay with me?
22:58They asked Carmen to submit DNA and fingerprints.
23:02Okay.
23:10I appreciate you calling me back.
23:12Bye, guys.
23:13Thank you, ma'am.
23:16Probably a good chance that Carmen was the last one that he saw that wasn't killing him.
23:22I tend to believe her, man.
23:24Yeah, I do.
23:25I didn't get a bad vibe of her.
23:27I think we could probably write her off.
23:30And the friend's very calm and of a very sane mind, it appears.
23:36We need help from people that know him.
23:44I'm basically just making contact with every person that's ever made contact with your dad within the last two, three
23:50months.
23:50You know, your dad didn't have any peace with anybody.
23:52I mean, no, man.
23:56Have you guys kind of heard anything?
23:58Three-thin-seated with a girl that knocked around where we're from.
24:03She was locked up months before all this went down.
24:07I mean, what do you think?
24:09He's so dope.
24:10Any of his people he may have sold it to would have had any reason to come back on him?
24:15I don't know.
24:17I'm getting frustrated.
24:24Two years into the investigation.
24:27This case was transferring to the cold case unit.
24:32Sergeant Micah Hedwood is assigned as lead investigator.
24:36York did a ton of work on this case.
24:39He went to the crime scene multiple times.
24:41He interviewed probably 30 people.
24:44York obtained a lot of fingerprints and DNA, but they did not hit anything.
24:49You have to go into these cold cases like a jigsaw puzzle.
24:52And there's always a missing piece or two and you're trying to figure out what those pieces look like.
24:57All the physical evidence, we've had it.
25:00We just don't know what to do with it.
25:02That's true with a lot of cold cases.
25:04You got to figure out what to do with the pieces that you already have.
25:12Detectives continue to work the case for three more years.
25:17Until finally.
25:19A break.
25:23I got a call from a family member of Ray Neal.
25:27And this family member says Carmen Hunt did it.
25:31And she did the same thing to somebody else.
25:34She's in jail right now for that.
25:36Carmen Hunt, she had stabbed a very low level drug dealer in the back with a very large kitchen butcher
25:44knife.
25:44It's almost the same exact knife that was used on Ray Neal.
25:48Same circumstances.
25:49The only thing that was different is the second victim was up on his feet and was able to get
25:55away.
25:56The victim of the second stabbing is one of Ray Neal's friends.
26:01She was, you know, on our list of people since the day it occurred.
26:07But right now we're going up to Hall County.
26:09We're going to try to find a woman.
26:11She was driving around Carmen Hunt the day Ray Neal was murdered.
26:16Hopefully she's not going to protect Carmen if she does know something.
26:27I'm Sergeant Higwood.
26:29Higwood finds the girlfriend.
26:31It was with Carmen the night Ray Neal was killed.
26:34This is Purple Quarter.
26:36Let me preface this with I'm investigating homicide.
26:42This incident happened in 2019.
26:45When did you start to meet Carmen?
26:47And y'all were dating at the time, right?
26:50We started dating in 2019.
26:55The incident we're looking at is July 19th.
26:59He's talking about older gentlemen.
27:02Did you know the gentleman at all that passed away?
27:06I did not.
27:08On that day, me and her, I picked her up.
27:14So the older gentleman in the house we went to, she came back out.
27:19We went to the Chevron.
27:22She went into the bathroom.
27:24She had totally smoked up the whole stuff.
27:27So she was like, I need to go get more.
27:31So I was like, okay.
27:34So I took her back over there.
27:38And the next thing I know, she told me to pull over the quick trip.
27:42She went into that bathroom.
27:45I was like, okay.
27:47I don't know what the hell is going on, but I'm done.
27:51And so at that point in time, I left her there.
27:56She says she didn't see Carmen again that night.
28:01So at what point did you start hearing from Carmen again?
28:04When did I lose about Ray?
28:07She says four days later, after the media reported on Ray's death, Carmen called her.
28:13She had called me with this crazy story about how she had been into a fight.
28:20The dudes tried to attack her.
28:23When you saw the news and you saw Ray was killed, and like you knew you had already taken her
28:29over there twice that day, did you suspect anything?
28:34No, never did I think at that time that she did him like that.
28:39Did you ever just ask her if she knew what happened?
28:42I didn't want to know. I didn't ask.
28:46Well, I thank you for your time.
28:47You're welcome.
28:49I think that was good.
28:52It's good. It's not perfect.
28:53I wish she had seen some injuries or like sore after the murder.
28:57I would like for CSI to look at that print.
29:05Crime scene actually had a bloody print from the bathroom light switch.
29:10You can see the blood actually swipes like somebody's trying to reach for the switch.
29:15But what you can't see from the naked eye is the print is actually right there.
29:22In 2019, they needed eight points within the print, you know, eight markers.
29:29Since then, as technology has gotten better, their techniques have gotten better.
29:34They've actually cut that number down and now it's seven points.
29:39And now we do have two bloody prints from the crime scene that are comparable.
29:44And it does match two Carmen Hunts.
30:02They actually identified Carmen Hunts, right ring finger, as the match.
30:08I'm going to transfer her over here to police headquarters to try and interview her.
30:12But I'm going to approach it as I'm interviewing everybody in this case.
30:16Get a statement out of her and then start confronting her.
30:27The next day, Carmen is brought from Gwinnett County Jail to headquarters.
30:33All right. Just to be clear, I'm not here about your criminal cases.
30:38I'm here because you were listed as a witness and friend for Ray Nill.
30:43This ain't no setup right.
30:46Well, you were listed as a witness.
30:49Let's just kind of go backwards and let's just go over what you do know.
30:54And just for reference, you know, when he was killed, it was like July 19th or July 20th, 2019.
31:01The reason I tell you that day, because I kind of want to work backwards.
31:04When did you see him?
31:07I think I see him the day before the injunction.
31:12What made you start using?
31:15I was getting high with a friend, weed.
31:17I was smoking weed with a friend that we were drinking.
31:19And this is honestly not true.
31:21I never wanted to try crack.
31:22I'm not a person that's like, oh, I want to try this drug.
31:24It's new.
31:25We were smoking weed. I went to use a bathroom.
31:27But when I came back, I hit the bowl, the weed for the weed.
31:31And it had crack on it.
31:33And I remember how it made me feel.
31:35And it just took me, man, it took me, it took me fast.
31:39And about what age do you think you were when that happened?
31:43Maybe 30s.
31:45I'm 50 now.
31:47What all have you done in your past, in your lifetime, to get the crack?
31:52Oh, I don't do things.
31:53I don't have sex. I don't steal.
31:56And Ray's phone, you were actually texting him on July 19th.
31:59It was around 6.30 p.m.
32:02And you asked him for, you needed $60, was crack?
32:06Yes.
32:07Do you remember what you did when you went over there to Ray's?
32:13No, I just got the stuff in there.
32:15Because I think when you leave Ray's, you actually go to a gas station.
32:19Do you remember that?
32:21It was a long time ago, probably.
32:24And you went back to Ray's again after the gas station.
32:28Okay.
32:30Except this time, you go to the quick trip.
32:33And I got stuck in the quick trip.
32:35And you went to the bathroom again.
32:37Yeah. Yeah, I remember.
32:40Okay.
32:42So that night, though, on July 19th, you actually called Ray again at 10.56 p.m.,
32:50which is going to be after the quick trip.
32:53I didn't go back to his house after that other thing.
32:57You sure?
32:59I don't think I did.
33:02Carmen, here's my concern is,
33:04I'm worried something happened on that third trip to Ray's with you.
33:09There's always two sides to every story.
33:12And I know Ray likes to drink too, right?
33:15But I don't know what happened between you.
33:18I mean, nothing happened to you, right?
33:21Mm-hmm.
33:22No.
33:23Nothing happened between me and Ray.
33:26Well, so here's the deal.
33:29I've had my crime scene technicians go back,
33:32and they've been looking at prints.
33:34This is the light switch in Ray Neal's bathroom.
33:37It's right outside the door.
33:39And that's blood.
33:41Okay?
33:42Ray Neal's blood.
33:43So here's the same picture,
33:46but this is using different lighting,
33:48and they've put powder on there.
33:50And when you zoom in,
33:52your print is right there in blood.
34:00I can even tell you which finger it is.
34:03That's how precise this is.
34:07So here's the deal, Carmen.
34:10I know you were there.
34:13I'm not watching your print in Ray Neal's blood.
34:17But this is your chance to tell me what actually happened?
34:22Explain it to me.
34:23Because I can now put your print literally in Ray Neal's blood.
34:30Which means you were there when he died.
34:35There's no way around that.
34:38Can you just tell me what you remember?
34:43Did he do something to you?
34:55He was trying to have sex with you?
34:57He was trying to have sex with you?
35:00Okay.
35:01What was he demanding from you?
35:03He was saying that I give him some .
35:05And I said, you know I'm not going to do that.
35:08Okay.
35:09And he's like, he waited for me to take a hit.
35:12Because he knows he started trying to follow me.
35:15Very uncomfortable.
35:17Okay.
35:18He made me feel disgusted.
35:20And it enraged me.
35:23He was trying to get up under my shirt and go down my pants.
35:28I'm like, I'm not going to with you.
35:31He's like, I'm drunk, I'm tripping.
35:34And I said, you told me that I can chill here.
35:37I don't have anywhere to go.
35:40I know this is really uncomfortable.
35:41I'm so sorry.
35:42I'm so sorry.
35:43I just need to understand clearly what happened.
36:03He was grinding into me.
36:05He was on top of me.
36:07He was like, you're going to give this up to me.
36:10That's what I remember him hearing.
36:12I remember his breath stinking like alcohol.
36:15And he kept telling me that I was going to give it up to him.
36:17And I basically, I owed him.
36:21When he was on top of me, I just stabbed him.
36:25Okay.
36:26Where did the knife come from?
36:28He had it on the dresser.
36:30Okay.
36:30Do you remember?
36:32Do you remember where you stabbed him?
36:34No, I just stabbed him.
36:35Well, how did he react?
36:38He was like, bitch, you stabbed me.
36:40And I was shocked.
36:42I was shocked. My eyes are big.
36:45He comes for me and I just pushed him.
36:48Was he dead at that point already?
36:49I don't know.
36:50Oh.
36:51Was he on the bed or did he fall on the floor?
36:53He fell on the floor.
36:56Okay.
36:56And I was just looking at him.
36:58And I couldn't look at him anymore when I did the cover on him.
37:03I was scared.
37:04Okay.
37:06After you left Raves, where did you go?
37:11Okay.
37:14I mean, it does sound like, you know, you're remorseful.
37:17What happened?
37:18And I'm definitely going to tell everybody that you were honest with me.
37:22It's not right.
37:24I was in a bad situation.
37:26Like, if I didn't defend myself, I know what was going to happen.
37:32I couldn't let that happen to me.
37:35I don't think I could live my soul.
37:37If that would have happened to me.
37:40If it went down the way you say, how come you didn't report it?
37:44I was scared. I was just scared.
37:46I was on drugs. I didn't think nobody would believe me.
37:50When you left, did you leave with the crack that you came for?
37:55Yeah, I had it, I think.
37:57You had it?
37:58Yeah.
37:58You remember how much it was?
38:00No.
38:01I do have to charge you with murder, okay?
38:05And I understand, right now, in your mind, there's a self-defense issue going on.
38:11But I think that's something that I'm going to have to let the courts decide on.
38:16You understand that?
38:22I understand.
38:23Okay.
38:25We'll be back in just a second, okay?
38:37When this case has come to the cold case unit, we never close them.
38:42They stay in this active state, always.
38:45and we're always just waiting for that little spark
38:47that can lead us in a direction towards a suspect.
38:51And that's what happened in this case.
38:55I just needed that little piece to let me focus on one person.
39:00I had a feeling confronted with the fact
39:03she was probably going to at least change her story.
39:07The fingerprint really did its job.
39:10I showed the pictures instead of just telling her
39:12so she couldn't think I was bluffing.
39:14She came off of it pretty quickly after that.
39:17I think she had been carrying this weight on her
39:19for four or five years now.
39:23And not that she wanted to confess,
39:25but at the same time, I think it was a load off of her.
39:52That's his arm.
39:54He had this little blue hat that he used to wear
39:56and he looked like Paddington one day.
39:58And so that name kind of stuck with him.
40:00So when he did pass away, we had a Paddington bear
40:04and we took the hat off the bear and we put it on here
40:06and this is Paddington.
40:08And he sits up there and he chills.
40:14That's him, his daughter, and both of his granddaughters.
40:20That was back in 2016.
40:25Yeah, you had to know him.
40:26He was an excellent chess player.
40:30He would go sometimes up to the courthouse
40:32and sit with the older man up there and play chess.
40:37I talked to him as a dad, I talked to a son
40:40and tried to tell him what to do,
40:43how to go about life and things.
40:46I loved him.
40:48He kept it strictly old school, loving, family man, you know.
40:54We always get together.
40:56It's here at my house.
40:58We're going to get together, have fun, laugh, love each other.
41:01Regardless of whether you hated each other two days ago,
41:03it's time to eat, it's time to ball,
41:05and it's time to have fun.
41:06Let's love it out.
41:07So yes, that is what we do.
41:10It's not the same.
41:11It's not the same without Ray here.
41:15My uncle's not here to tell his story.
41:17My uncle didn't live to tell his story.
41:19My uncle didn't live to say anything.
41:22Somebody went to my dad's house
41:24and killed her for no reason.
41:28Michelle was my mom,
41:29which was Ray's baby sister.
41:33Ray's sister, who found him in his home,
41:36died three years later.
41:39Their bond was just unbreakable.
41:41And my mother, I think, to be honest,
41:44my mother died slowly of a broken heart.
41:47She kind of blamed herself,
41:48because why did I take him home?
41:49I shouldn't have took him home.
41:51Or what could I have done?
41:54Ray passing away in 2019.
41:56Then his mother passing away in 2022.
41:59And then six months later,
42:00his sister passed away in October of 22.
42:05You have to somehow or another find yourself
42:10to get through it.
42:12We ain't recovered.
42:15I know I struggle.
42:16My dad struggles.
42:18My brother struggles.
42:20Phil struggles.
42:21We all struggle on a daily basis.
42:26We're just grateful that, you know,
42:28it finally came to an end.
42:29It was five years waiting,
42:31just hoping that something would happen.
42:34And it happened and got some closure.
42:36So we're good.
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