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00:01I'm gonna pour my drink on her.
00:03Ah!
00:04Can you muzzle your woman?
00:05You're not coming for my husband.
00:08Dinner is served.
00:10Welcome to MAPS after the dinner party
00:13and we're out in the drama this week.
00:14Kick off with a bang.
00:16I am Jules, joined by Laura and Brittany.
00:19We're gonna be grown-ups.
00:20No, we're not.
00:21You're never a grown-up.
00:22We're back with the unseen moments,
00:24the off-camera confrontations
00:26and the questions you want answered.
00:27This week was a doozy.
00:29Every night felt like its own dinner party.
00:31What was meant to be a relaxing retreat
00:33turned into a full-blown disaster.
00:36It took just one comment to fracture friendships
00:37and divide the entire group
00:39and tonight we are jam-packed with content to unpack it all.
00:42Well, tonight, finger-bang-gate came to its climax
00:45and that pun was absolutely intended.
00:47Rachel and Stephen's sex life was a hot topic of retreat
00:50and I bet you they never expected
00:52to be the two people at the centre of this drama.
00:54But it is all because of Bec's very slippery lips.
00:57All three of them are gonna be joining us very soon
00:59on this couch.
01:00Plus, Danny and Scott's friendship
01:02officially went down the gurgler this week.
01:04They are collateral damage in their wives' ongoing feuds.
01:07They're both here. Tensions are high.
01:09I have a sneaky suspicion it's gonna get awkward.
01:12Well, as far as retreats go,
01:13this one was one for the history books.
01:15It had it all from declarations of love
01:17to dramatic storm-outs.
01:18But finger-banging wasn't something
01:20that I personally had on my bingo card.
01:22No.
01:22I have not heard the term finger-bang
01:24or finger-blast being used
01:26since I went to an under-18s disco
01:28when I was about 17 years old.
01:29Yeah.
01:29I also never want to hear it again.
01:31Well, unfortunately, we have a lot to unpack.
01:34Don't pretend like you guys are even offended.
01:36I've heard you say...
01:37I'm not offended.
01:37...far worse.
01:38No!
01:39I actually feel bad for giggling about it
01:41because, like, there's a part of you
01:43that wants to giggle at the word finger-bang
01:45and the fact that we are talking about it
01:47in an entire episode.
01:48Yeah.
01:48But there is a serious part to it.
01:49Somebody was very offended by the use of the term,
01:52the way it was thrown around.
01:54I know.
01:54And I give Bec about a 6 out of 10 for the gag
01:57but a 1 out of 10 for the apology.
01:59But an 8 out of 10 for delivery.
02:01Yeah, but do you think...
02:02I mean, the fact that it wasn't said with malice at all,
02:06and I know that the behaviour...
02:07We're gonna unpack it all,
02:07but the behaviour afterwards was definitely not great.
02:10Like, the whole making merch and everything else.
02:12No.
02:12But it went too far.
02:13Like, it just snowballed into something bigger
02:17and far more wild than what it ever should have been.
02:20There's two things, right?
02:21One, is it Rachel dragging it on a bit long?
02:23Two, is Bec going on about it too long?
02:25Three, is it Gia and the puppeteers?
02:27Oh, yeah.
02:27There's a lot to unpack.
02:28Well, I think we know the answer to that one.
02:30Well, appropriate or not,
02:31Bec's toast turned a picture-perfect escape
02:34into complete and utter chaos
02:35and it left Rachel and Stephen
02:37right at the centre of that storm.
02:39Last night, as our intimacy levels increased...
02:44Woo!
02:45We have not banged yet.
02:47It's really exciting.
02:48And, yeah, I just wanted to share that with you all.
02:51Cheers!
02:53It's the first night of retreat.
02:55We've had I love yous.
02:58And we've had finger bangs.
03:00So, like...
03:05I didn't think it was funny.
03:06I shared with you guys openly
03:08that we took intimacy to a new level.
03:10And you just made a joke of it.
03:12No, I didn't make a joke of it.
03:13Well, you did.
03:15You're very, very quick to turn.
03:20I'm celebrating you.
03:22Yeah, cool.
03:22Anyway, I'm done with her.
03:24She's going off her head nuts right now.
03:27She needs to calm down.
03:32It's just, yeah, it's just a vulgar thing to say.
03:34So excited to share it with everyone.
03:36I just didn't expect that someone
03:39would just stand up there and cheapen it.
03:42Were you by my merch?
03:43What is it?
03:44What's the merch?
03:45It's called finger bang merch.
03:47Oh, my God.
03:48Absolutely not.
03:49Becky humiliated me in front of the group last night.
03:52You made Stephen and I a punchline and a joke.
03:56I feel like she completely overreacted.
03:58Do you think she's blown it a bit out of proportion?
04:00I don't think she did.
04:01And this was special for her.
04:02Doesn't matter what you think about it.
04:04She's upset by it.
04:05You got to take that on board.
04:07Do you think that I did this purposely to hurt you?
04:11No.
04:11I've never said that once.
04:12Why is it such a big deal?
04:14A comment that was so minor.
04:16One word.
04:17One word.
04:18We're missing the whole point.
04:19It doesn't matter.
04:21Get over the word that you said.
04:23Rack is not understanding what's actually upset me.
04:28My relationship is now a topic of retreat.
04:31And that's not fair to us.
04:34Rachel, Stephen or Rachel.
04:37I'm already there.
04:37Sorry guys.
04:38No.
04:38I'm sure when you signed up to do this experiment,
04:41there's no part of you that thought we'd be sitting here discussing something like this.
04:45No.
04:45Absolutely not.
04:47Sorry, I've just got to stop myself before I keep going.
04:49No.
04:51Yeah, look.
04:52I was so excited to go to retreat and I was so excited to spend all this time with everyone.
04:58And I feel like I spent the entire time at retreat trying to like justify my feelings in something that,
05:06and I just felt so misunderstood.
05:07And watching it back has been really hard.
05:12And why does it make you so upset?
05:13Every time I was trying to speak about the way it made me feel, it always came back to, I
05:20just shouldn't have said those words.
05:21By Bec.
05:22By Bec.
05:23Um, Danny as well.
05:24You know, I just, that's what I felt like.
05:27It was just, well, they're just words.
05:29Get over it.
05:30Did you ever speak to Bec or any of the other girls, privately, on camera or off camera, about what
05:36happened between you two?
05:37I actually hadn't told Bec.
05:39I had told Alyssa actually earlier that day, because Alyssa's my bestie.
05:44How do you think Bec came to know that this happened if you didn't tell her explicitly?
05:47Because that's very, it's a very explicit thing to say that this is what happened.
05:51I think it's just assuming.
05:53I would love to know, Stephen, were you really offended in that moment?
05:57If Rach had have just like laughed it off and moved on, you would have also?
06:01Or do you think you became more offended by it because, you know, you want to support your wife?
06:06Yeah, 100%.
06:07When Bec even said, and I feel horrible about it, I sort of just went along with the joke and
06:11went,
06:12it's funny, didn't really bother me.
06:14But it did bother me that it upset Rachel so much and hurt her feelings so much with it.
06:19It's such a special moment.
06:20Why do you think Bec felt fine with calling it out?
06:23I think because Bec and I are friends.
06:26And so that's her humour and she's probably gone, oh, this is fine.
06:30Disregarding how important this moment was for us.
06:33And I think throwing back in our faces a lot like, well, we were celebrating.
06:39We were celebrating it.
06:40Making a joke of it is not a celebration to me.
06:43It should have been left with what I said and just left alone.
06:46Well, what better way to get to the bottom of it than go straight to the source.
06:50So let's bring Bec out.
07:00Hi, guys.
07:02Hello.
07:02You okay?
07:03Yeah.
07:05Hi, darling.
07:06Nice to see you.
07:07Likewise.
07:08Hello, Queen.
07:09Hello.
07:09Welcome back again.
07:10This is everything.
07:12Well, Bec, the old foot and mouth, eh?
07:15Nice.
07:15Here we go, Jules.
07:16Yeah.
07:17I actually thought the delivery was not too bad.
07:21But what made you feel so safe to be able to say that?
07:25You know, it was a situation where in that moment when I had done the speech, it was like trying
07:34to end it on a joke.
07:35But I didn't think.
07:37I didn't understand the weight of my words and what they would have on Rach.
07:41Because we joke around a lot and, you know, I'm just like very off the cuff, I never expected that
07:47what I said would hurt her so much.
07:50Even now, watching how you're reacting to the conversation, you can see it's still really affecting you.
07:56How do you feel now?
07:57Um, I feel like I'm again sitting here having to justify why it hurt my feelings.
08:05It was really layered for me.
08:07To say that and gesture towards someone, you think, I'm instantly in the spotlight.
08:15And I felt embarrassment.
08:17I felt, well, why would, yeah, I'm stupid for even sharing this.
08:21It's not even that big of a deal.
08:22Like, I just felt really, really stupid for saying anything to begin with.
08:26But Rach, did you know that Bec was making these jokes kind of with the other girls?
08:31And did that come as a shock to you?
08:33I found out about the merch from Gia and Juliet.
08:37To hear you then making a joke on top of a joke that had hurt me.
08:41Yeah.
08:41That did hurt, babe.
08:42Of course.
08:43I've got to be honest.
08:43That was when I still didn't understand quite how hurt you were.
08:48When you watch it back, do you realise what Rach was actually trying to communicate?
08:54Absolutely.
08:54And the hard part is you're a black belt in combat and confrontation.
09:00Yeah, it's extremely intimidating.
09:01I've got to be honest, babe.
09:03You know, it's hard to watch back.
09:05It was difficult to see my friend be so upset about it and me not take it seriously.
09:10I didn't understand the magnitude of the hurt that I had instilled on my friend.
09:15But it did seem like for three days you dug your heels in.
09:18I definitely dug my heels in.
09:19But it wasn't coming from a place of malice towards Rachael.
09:24Stephen, if you're, you know, sitting back saying that you didn't interpret it as much of a big deal,
09:29how is it affecting your relationship at this point?
09:32It was putting a wedge between me and Rachael because I can relate to Bec a little bit.
09:36We have something in common. We have this thing, you know, we say stupid shit and we don't mean it.
09:41So I sort of understood what Bec said was disrespectful, but there was no malice behind it.
09:50It wasn't evil.
09:51It does feel as though that there is a bit of a disconnect as to how this joke even came
09:54about.
09:55And people were also asking that question at the retreat.
09:58Let's have a look at this.
10:00You said to me, Rachael was finger banged.
10:03And then she said to me that you were going around telling her like all the finger band stuff.
10:08But then she said, oh, how many fingers?
10:10And then you kept being like, well, I bet it was like, let me tell you, it wasn't just one
10:15or something like that.
10:16Like in detail.
10:17No, Julia, she did not say that.
10:20Are you joking?
10:21I never fucking said that.
10:22It's recorded.
10:23Yeah, she said you were doing it the whole entire night with her.
10:24Fuck off.
10:25So then I guess, yeah.
10:26We weren't talking about it all night.
10:28She spoke to Stephen.
10:30She didn't speak to me one on one.
10:32Yeah.
10:32About it at all.
10:33Would Stephen have said that?
10:35Stephen, no.
10:36No.
10:36Absolutely not.
10:39Bec, to clarify.
10:41Yeah.
10:41Did you ever say that to Gia and Juliet that you'd been joking about this with Rach?
10:45I think I did.
10:46I actually do think I said at one point at the drinks, like, just me being my crass, disgraceful self.
10:53Like, was it one or two?
10:55Like, I think I may have.
10:56Well, Rachel, Stephen, do you guys remember having these conversations?
11:00I don't believe that we had conversations in detail, to be honest.
11:02I don't know if it was to you, to be honest.
11:04I definitely said something.
11:05Stephen?
11:07I mean, the drinks.
11:08Did you say anything to me?
11:09I don't know.
11:09I cannot.
11:11It just goes over my head.
11:12Something.
11:12I think it's important because it, I guess, gives context to try and figure out if there's
11:17a reason why it felt okay to make this pass.
11:20I swear, I probably, I'm telling you, I probably did say it.
11:23I just don't know who to.
11:24We have some more unseen footage that happened before your toast, Bec.
11:29I'm surrounded by the ladies now.
11:31You all right?
11:31I'm so glad you got stuck a finger in, babes.
11:34There you go.
11:35Sorry.
11:37Cheers.
11:37How do you know it's only one finger?
11:39I'm guessing it's true.
11:41Guys.
11:42Keep it PG, please.
11:50Steve, obviously having that joke opens up the doorway for that commentary to be made.
11:56Watching that back, I feel mortified.
11:58Like I'm even shaking just seeing that back and I feel disgraced about myself and feel ashamed
12:04that I'd even joke about that.
12:07Rach, how do you feel now seeing that and does it change anything for you?
12:11I thought I was supported and I thought my partner had my back.
12:15And so knowing that this potential situation has come because my partner has said it's a
12:22love, it's okay.
12:23If I had been told this, I would have been like, okay, this makes sense.
12:28But because it happened and I was like, where has this come from?
12:32I'm so perplexed.
12:34But you essentially gave a green light to it.
12:38Because in some ways it sort of does validate Bec.
12:41Yeah.
12:41It makes sense now.
12:43Honestly, it does make sense now.
12:45Like if my partner's having a joke with her about this, yeah, it makes sense that she's
12:50still up and felt comfortable to make that joke.
12:52I wasn't in on the joke.
12:54Steven, how are you feeling?
12:55Oh, I feel pretty fucking miserable right now watching that back.
12:59I thought it's very un-gentleman like.
13:01That was just me to say, look, I'm trying to embrace something and play into it and I'm
13:05not this cagey guy.
13:08I could have used a much better choice of words than that.
13:12Where I think the problem lies is what happens after.
13:15And that is where you sort of let Bec take a bit of a fall for it.
13:18I feel like this could have almost been avoided if you had said, babe, like I actually just
13:23said that to her.
13:24I'm sorry.
13:25Like that could have been me.
13:26But it seems like you sort of were like, eep, I'll let Bec take the fall for that one.
13:29Not really.
13:30I mean, me and Bec, they're just having a little one-on-one conversation.
13:33Oh, no.
13:33No, no, no.
13:34That's not private.
13:35When it is said in, you know, if it's the three of us discussing it and having a joke
13:38or there's someone else in there, that's not a private conversation.
13:41It's not a closed conversation.
13:42It doesn't give you permission to go up and yell it either.
13:43No, it doesn't.
13:44But it doesn't give automatic permission.
13:46But it does give someone the impression that we are joking about this and that it's lighthearted.
13:51Absolutely.
13:52And genuinely, like it kind of gives context because then I would have gone out of my way
13:56then to approach Bec and be like, I get why you've said it now.
14:00I could have squashed it.
14:02And like, yeah, I was overreacting.
14:05No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
14:08You're not overreacting because what you feel is what you feel.
14:11And you are allowed to feel what you feel.
14:13What I said was completely politically incorrect.
14:16I have the most vulgar sense of humour.
14:20I just do.
14:21But it didn't...
14:22Sorry, I'm so sorry.
14:23But I do not want you sitting here now blaming yourself.
14:26No.
14:26I'm not having it.
14:27She's not.
14:28What she's actually saying is Steve should have come to...
14:31But Rach, that would be pretty terrifying to come to you knowing what's at risk in the relationship.
14:39Nothing.
14:40It's a conversation.
14:42Yeah, but remember how you reacted when you just found out that he had a quick one-minute chat with
14:48Bec,
14:48even without the detail, you felt betrayed.
14:51So imagine he came and said, I gave the green light to possibly that joke.
14:54That was a very different situation, Jules.
14:56Okay.
14:57I literally thought that I was sticking up for myself and my husband
15:00and I thought my husband was supporting me and then I had the rug pull.
15:05There does seem to be a lot of mixed feelings between the three of you,
15:07but when it comes to the wider group, there are two people in particular
15:11who have very much latched onto this.
15:13Let's have a look.
15:15It was a joke.
15:16You know that I support you and Stephen.
15:18If you support the relationship, why are you going around at the pool with Juliet and I
15:22saying you want to get finger bang for merch?
15:26Last night, Bec took a quarter of the accountability she was supposed to.
15:30Bec needs to face the fucking music.
15:32And I'll fuck them up for you.
15:33I know you will.
15:35Stephen had a conversation with me, but because he didn't tell her,
15:40she was like, you've betrayed me.
15:42Bec said that you and Stephen had a massive fight.
15:44I thought you guys were done.
15:46Yeah.
15:47Were done.
15:47The retreats definitely opened my eyes on who I can trust.
15:51I can't trust Bec right now.
15:53All day.
15:54They've completely isolated me.
15:58Jira and Juliet have stuck their nose into this situation because they thought,
16:04oh, wow, this is an opportunity to get Bec.
16:06Cheers, you guys.
16:08Cheers.
16:08My friends can't be friends with her and neither come and partner.
16:11Done.
16:13Or else problems are going to be with you and me, by the way.
16:17What's about to happen is these women are going to come for me.
16:21Babe, every night you've been the dumbest f***er here.
16:25You're the puppeteer.
16:27I'm the puppeteer.
16:28I'm the puppeteer.
16:28Everyone can see what you're doing, babe.
16:30Stop beating her mouthpiece.
16:32Juliet f***ing owned it tonight and I'm loving it.
16:35You and I are having an issue.
16:37Was Jira's opportunity to have a puppet meet?
16:40Maybe I shouldn't have believed what I was told.
16:43Because Jira's the puppet master and there's Juliet.
16:46The puppet.
16:49Rach, why do you feel like Jira and Juliet had such an interest in this situation?
16:55In the moment, I genuinely believed Jira and Juliet were coming to me from a place of empathy.
17:01Because when it did happen in the group environment, they were who I locked eyes with.
17:06Everyone else was laughing and they're going, oh, no, this is Mr Mark.
17:10Do you think, though, that that is because they had a target on Bec?
17:14Look, maybe, unfortunately, I'm not that coded.
17:17But I do understand it is a pylon, right?
17:19And it's stoking a fire and keeping it going.
17:24Where I believe Jira and Juliet lost their footing was really that final night.
17:30I had addressed the group and said, this is done.
17:33And it should have been done.
17:37Yeah, but they also interacted on girls' night when it should have been you and I that had the conversation.
17:42And if it wasn't the two kookaburras coming at me and coming at me and coming at me,
17:47you and I would have been able to converse.
17:49Yes and no.
17:50Don't you reckon?
17:51Not really.
17:52I was at my wits' end.
17:53I couldn't cope anymore.
17:54Okay, but there's always a reason.
17:55Are you noticing?
17:56I was at my wits' end.
17:57I actually believe if Bec and I were to sit down and have a one-on-one conversation,
18:01I would have been bringing up, well, I've also been told about the merch.
18:04Yeah.
18:04I've been told about this.
18:05Who told you that?
18:07Jira and Juliet.
18:08And then we would have been back at the table.
18:10Well, you said this.
18:11But it seems like you did have a few of these conversations and they all went terribly.
18:15It does seem like...
18:17He's gonna sit here now and be like, you didn't have a chance.
18:19Yeah.
18:19But actually there was loads of chances as a viewer.
18:22Yeah.
18:22And they all ended awful.
18:24So Rach, just back to what we were talking about.
18:27Did you feel like a pawn?
18:28When you watched the show back, did you feel used by those two?
18:32Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
18:33Tell us about that.
18:34I do feel like maybe they've, they've kind of gone, well, if we can get Rach on side, then like
18:40it becomes like more of a girl group thing.
18:42And then, you know, we can isolate back.
18:44Yeah.
18:44It does make me feel like watching it.
18:47Yeah.
18:47It was felt a bit silly.
18:49Grown woman.
18:50Rach, can you talk to us a little bit about the dynamic that's going on between Gia and Juliet at
18:54the moment?
18:55Yeah.
18:55I'm just gonna say it.
18:57I really feel like, again, within the women, there was this real energy of like, I'm going to be top
19:02dog.
19:03And I do believe Gia wanted to come out and be, well, top dog, Queen B.
19:09And so she was essentially, yeah, attaching herself, making friends with the people that could get her there.
19:17There's nothing that is ever gonna change that Gia just wants to come for me.
19:20And I don't know why that is.
19:21I don't know what it is about me.
19:23Well, you do.
19:23I mean, you went for her in the first hens party.
19:26I mean, that's what happens when you're both threatened by each other.
19:29Yeah.
19:29And it's to the death.
19:31Look, I find it difficult because whenever I say something about Gia, I'm attacked, right?
19:36Like Gia?
19:37Yeah.
19:38In the media and in press and stuff like that.
19:40So I know I'm gonna sit here and say something and then I'm gonna have to deal with, oh, here's
19:44more screenshots.
19:45Here's this.
19:46She thinks this.
19:46Something that I don't understand and I get very confused on is it just seems like, Bec,
19:52you and Gia detest each other.
19:55You do not want to look at each other, be in the same room.
19:57But then we see moments where you're by the pool and you're sort of all, like the merch comments from
20:02the outside looked like you guys were sort of bantering and I can't work it out.
20:07It's almost like, for me, I feel like Gia likes to get the information to then be able to use
20:12it against me later.
20:13Like lull you into a false sense of security.
20:15Correct. And like, it's stupid of me because like, be a, like, be smart.
20:19Rachel and Stephen, this has been a lot and obviously we've had more revelations.
20:24Where do you think you guys stand?
20:26I think there are some conversations that Stephen and I need to have.
20:29I would like to think that I can create this safe understanding space for you to come and talk to
20:34me.
20:34If like something has happened, you're like, oh, I'm actually responsible or not responsible, but you know what I mean?
20:40Like, so I kind of played into that.
20:42And I think for me, like, that's what we need to work on. Yeah.
20:47There's been so much more to the story.
20:48Thank you so much, guys.
20:49Some big revelations.
20:51You might be sleeping on the couch tonight, Steve-O.
20:53Oh, yeah.
20:55Yeah.
20:55Plenty more to come.
20:56Danny's back alongside his new arch rival, Scott.
20:59And we're going to see if they can patch things up or if the tension between their wives has finally
21:03gotten too much.
21:04Plus, we're going to be picking John Aiken's marvellous brain about the fears Stella has had this week.
21:10Oh, no.
21:11Because if Stella and Phillip are on the rocks, no one has any chance.
21:14They're the only saving grace at this point.
21:16They're not allowed to fight.
21:17If they fail, humanity fails.
21:19Couldn't have said that better, Jules.
21:21Well, look, it's now time for everyone's favourite game.
21:24The brides and the grooms are diving headfirst into the comments section
21:27and reading out what the internet really thinks of them.
21:30And as we know, the internet does not hold back.
21:33Let's have some fun with it.
21:34Here is Posted and Roasted.
21:48I dose you up, girl.
21:50I got you.
21:50At full government name one.
21:54This must be someone from the government.
21:55Says, Scott is so submissive, he would be perfect for Tyson.
22:00Should we try it?
22:01Should we?
22:02Clarkey underscore 82 says, Danny could be cheating
22:06and Bec could still be telling her friends that he's the one.
22:09Dude, so true.
22:12I mean, like, the sun shines out of his ass, doesn't it?
22:15You know, in my opinion.
22:16All right.
22:17Casual Plant says,
22:19Steven's just out there to launch his Only Fans.
22:23Look, Casual Plants, you might know my secret,
22:27but I'll give you the subscription for free just for you.
22:31At Bell Makes Magic,
22:33Stephanie is like Elle Woods
22:34if Elle Woods didn't have any men fighting over her.
22:36Oh, come on.
22:37Is that all you've got?
22:38I mean, I can handle Tyson.
22:39So, surely you've got better than that.
22:41Showmany90 says,
22:42Steven is a thousand percent a virgin.
22:44Oh, that's not what your mum said, so...
22:48At Bozulik says,
22:50I predict Joel and Tyson will end up in a secret gay relationship
22:53and post-show will launch their joint Only Fans.
22:58Firstly, fuckface, I'm straight.
23:00Secondly, I've got way too much masculine energy for Tyson.
23:08They're good sports.
23:09Retreat had a big impact on many relationships this week,
23:13even the strongest ones that we're all rooting for.
23:15So, let's turn to the man with all the answers,
23:18the infamous, the wonderful, the legend,
23:20Mr John Aitken.
23:21It is time for Aitken's Insights.
23:23Can I just stop you there?
23:25No, no.
23:25All right.
23:26We've heard enough.
23:28How we doing?
23:29Good, John.
23:30Welcome back.
23:31It's good to be here.
23:32Yeah.
23:32Can you tell us why retreat is so critical
23:35for the couples in the experiment?
23:37Well, because it's another real-life challenge
23:41that we throw at them.
23:42But it gets them out of the bubble
23:44of those apartments that they're staying in.
23:46It gets them to mix
23:47with a whole lot of different people in the experiment.
23:50So, they're really put to the test
23:51in a totally different environment.
23:54And it's great,
23:54because they're halfway through the experiment,
23:56so they need a shake-up.
23:58Why is it that when we get to these retreats
24:01that some couples seem to unravel?
24:03It's like we really do see
24:04that the retreat becomes a pressure cooker
24:05for some relationships.
24:06Yeah, I think one of the big reasons
24:08is that it's up close and personal
24:10in a different setting
24:11where they're comparing themselves.
24:13You know, from the beginning when they wake up
24:16through the day and into the night,
24:17they are looking at other couples,
24:19and they're saying,
24:20well, where do we sit with these couples?
24:22They're all there for several days
24:24just really trying to mix and mingle
24:26in a totally different way.
24:28I would have thought as a viewer
24:29having them all in like, you know,
24:30the hotels or whatever they're in normally,
24:32that they are under that pressure cooker anyway.
24:34They may have spent a lot of their time
24:37at a dinner party or a commitment ceremony
24:39sitting next to a person or a particular group.
24:42Now at a couples retreat,
24:44they have to mix with people
24:45that they may not know that well.
24:48And so things start to really unfold.
24:50I think we can all agree that Stella and Philip
24:53are the strongest couple in this experiment.
24:55Yes.
24:55And you know that Philip did tell Stella
24:58that he loved her this week.
25:00Yes.
25:00But the knock-on effect was a little unexpected
25:03to say the least.
25:04Let's have a look.
25:06Falling in love, as I realised,
25:08when it's a right person
25:09and when I think you're ready,
25:11it's not that hard.
25:12What comes after that's becoming hard?
25:16Oh God, I feel like I'm going to cry.
25:18Oh.
25:19No, no, no.
25:20Good.
25:22Because the way I look at him,
25:24I do want him to be my forever partner
25:25and I do really want to work on those things
25:28to that level.
25:29Yeah.
25:29But it's so much more deeper
25:31and that's what I'm dealing with right now.
25:33Fear of rejection, not rejection, abandonment.
25:35You're right.
25:35So I'm dealing with that right now.
25:37Okay.
25:38Initially, I wanted to kind of distance myself
25:43and I was like,
25:44why do I want to distance myself from this human?
25:45He's such a beautiful human.
25:50Is this self-sabotage?
25:53It's almost like they're trying to pressure test it
25:56to see how strong it is.
25:58What's going on?
25:59Yeah, well, someone like Stella particularly,
26:01she's met a guy that she's starting to fall for
26:04and now she's thinking about,
26:06well, if I let him in, I've got to be vulnerable.
26:09I've got to let him influence me.
26:10We've got to move forward together as a team.
26:13Can I do that?
26:14And if I let down the walls,
26:16will he just have a look and go,
26:19no, thank you, and then leave her?
26:20So all of that is going on for her
26:23and she's worried.
26:24And so it's very easy just to sabotage it
26:26and keep someone at arm's length.
26:28Do you think with this, I mean,
26:29she talked about abandonment,
26:31this idea of like, I don't want to be abandoned.
26:33In this environment,
26:34do you think that that is something that is like
26:36a warranted fear?
26:37Because people put on their best behaviour on the show,
26:40their best relationship on the show
26:41and then they're left to go out in the real world.
26:44That's right.
26:44I mean, you can look at it two ways.
26:46Yes, it's sabotaging her chance
26:47of getting a fairy tale.
26:49The other side of it is that she's protecting herself.
26:51She's saying, I don't want to get hurt,
26:54let down, rejected or abandoned by this great guy.
26:57And so she, like all of us at some stage,
27:00when we're faced with a relationship that has potential,
27:04are we going to let it in?
27:05Are we going to get vulnerable or not?
27:06And she's hit that point.
27:08Tell me if I'm wrong,
27:09but I think she's about to say,
27:10I'm at that crucial point where I open the floodgates
27:12and once he's in, I have a lot further to fall.
27:15That's right.
27:15And that's one of the great things about this experiment
27:17is that if you want love,
27:19if you want the fairy tale,
27:21you've got to be prepared to risk it all.
27:22When you speak to Stella and you get to know her,
27:25she has this European upbringing.
27:26She's very self-reliant and independent
27:29and she keeps things pretty close to her chest.
27:32She's not going to give much away,
27:33but you did get a sense that she felt like,
27:37well, this guy's really into me now
27:38and I've got a decision to make.
27:40And what I can tell you is, you know,
27:41they seem to be doing very well early on in the piece,
27:44but like some of the couples that we see on this experiment,
27:48the really hard conversations start happening halfway through.
27:51And as it gets closer to the end,
27:54and Stella has some real decisions to make,
27:57as does Philip.
27:59Thank you so much, John.
28:00I think it's so easy for us to sometimes forget
28:02that there are very real love stories
28:04that are coming through here.
28:06Well, look, the tension between Beck and Gia
28:08has dominated the experiment
28:09and for a while their husbands managed to keep clear of it,
28:13but retreat forced the line to be drawn.
28:15At tonight's dinner party,
28:16we saw Danny and Scott's friendship officially unravel.
28:20I'll be honest, I was a bit disappointed tonight
28:22when I walked in
28:23how you didn't just get up
28:25and come say hello to me and Beck.
28:27I'll tell you straight,
28:28I won't be saying hello to your wife ever again.
28:31Scotty, to be honest.
28:32Yes.
28:33We're a package deal.
28:34Yeah.
28:34I'm not going to come up to you and say hello to you
28:36and not say hello to your wife.
28:38I won't, I'll never, I'm sorry,
28:39but I can't look at her in the eyes,
28:40I'm telling you the truth.
28:41Because my wife is very upset.
28:43We'll live with her.
28:44We'll live with her.
28:47Oh, Danny and Scott,
28:50do we need security on standby?
28:53Almost that night.
28:53That was spicy.
28:54Yeah.
28:55Well, we haven't managed to get your wives together
28:57on this couch yet,
28:58so kudos to you guys for stepping up to the plate.
29:02Can you give us a bit of an understanding
29:03into your relationship before all of their catfighting?
29:08Me, well, I thought we had a good relationship before,
29:12you know, we got dragged into this catfight.
29:15It's just unfortunate.
29:16Like Danny said,
29:16like we got along at the start
29:17and obviously our two wives have our differences.
29:20I'm always going to listen to Gio,
29:22I trust her
29:22and he's going to listen to Beck and trust her
29:24and that's what causes friction between myself and Danny
29:26that we just can't meet eye to eye.
29:29So do you feel like the only reason you guys aren't friends
29:31is because your wives aren't allowing you to be?
29:34Bec's never said to me,
29:35you can't be friends with Scott.
29:37There's never been a conversation
29:38of what's been said like that.
29:40Has Gio said that you can't be friends with Danny?
29:42Not those exact words,
29:43but her body language tells it.
29:44And I just think it's better off, you know,
29:46I want to keep the relationship strong,
29:48so I'm not going to interact with Danny
29:49because we're here and experience for our partners.
29:51What impact is their drama
29:53having on your relationships at the moment?
29:56A lot.
29:56For me personally, like,
29:58it's embarrassing.
29:59It's not what I do in my dating life.
30:01It's a day-to-day life
30:02and you sort of get dragged into it
30:05because you try and,
30:06you're damned if you do,
30:08you're damned if you don't
30:09because if you don't back your wife,
30:10you look like a coward.
30:11But then when you do get back your wife,
30:13obviously there's conflict with me and Scott.
30:15I have a question though,
30:16because it's not just about backing your wife
30:18and I know that the whole concept of
30:19right or die has come up a few times,
30:21but you're still allowed to call out
30:23terrible behaviour in your relationship.
30:25Scott, you've sat there at many dinner parties
30:26and let Gia say the things she said
30:29and behave the way she's behaved.
30:30And Danny, you've done the same.
30:32So, at what point do you sit there and say,
30:36actually, you know what, babe,
30:38the way you're speaking is not okay?
30:40I'll speak to her in private,
30:41not in front of everyone.
30:42So, yeah.
30:43But I challenge that
30:44because you have stood up for a lot of things,
30:46but in that instance,
30:47it makes you a bystander in poor behaviour.
30:49Yeah.
30:50Why?
30:51I don't know.
30:52I don't really have an answer to that.
30:53Like, if I have an issue,
30:54I think things are wrong or said a wrong way
30:57or disrespectfully to people.
30:58I wish I pulled her up a bit more,
30:59but sometimes I like to just not open up a can of worms.
31:03Yeah, looking back,
31:04I was ashamed of myself for not saying,
31:06Bec, you're acting like an idiot,
31:08but you live and you learn.
31:09Are you scared of your wife?
31:11I'm not scared of my wife, no.
31:12I'm just a people pleaser.
31:14I mean, yeah,
31:15it does kind of look like you're both scared of your wives
31:16a little bit.
31:18Danny?
31:19I wouldn't say scared.
31:20Well, this week,
31:21you both had a lot to say about each other
31:23and not all of it made it to air.
31:25Some of it was just too good to leave on the cutting room floor,
31:28so we thought we'd show you now.
31:30Here we go.
31:31Fucking hell.
31:32We got some security.
31:35I wouldn't be,
31:35I wouldn't really be friends with Scott or Jer
31:37in the real world.
31:39They're not my kind of people,
31:41so I couldn't,
31:42to be honest,
31:43I could not give a fuck.
31:46Do I like Danny?
31:49I think he's an alright guy.
31:51Can I trust him?
31:52No?
31:53He tries to like be an alpha male
31:55or tries to intimidate you,
31:56but I've never been less intimidated in my life.
32:00You know what I mean?
32:01Men under six foot tall don't intimidate me.
32:04Elephants don't turn around when ants make noise.
32:07So he shouted.
32:08Do I like to laugh?
32:09I could just hear like a squeak in the distance.
32:12Do you know what I mean?
32:13It was like a squeak.
32:14I was like,
32:15could someone fart?
32:17Don't get me wrong,
32:18I think Danny's funny.
32:19I think he's got good humour.
32:21He has good intentions,
32:22but
32:24he's lied about a few things.
32:26He's burnt my trust.
32:27I find he's not into his partner
32:29and I don't really want that person in my life.
32:32Like he just always says,
32:33don't disrespect my wife.
32:35It's like he's a robot,
32:36like that's the only sentence he can say.
32:38I don't like some of the things he said
32:39because I think he's lied a bit,
32:40but
32:41he carries himself well.
32:42He stands up for his wife.
32:44He does good things for her.
32:45He does right by his partner.
32:47Scott's a bitch.
32:49He's a bitch.
32:49Complete bitch.
32:52Danny.
32:53You're an arsehole.
32:54Do you know what though?
32:56I don't even care when people
32:56would take the piss out of me.
32:58I mean he called you a fart.
32:59Yeah, Scott, you were lovely.
33:00Danny, you're an arsehole in that.
33:02But the thing is,
33:04you're the one that's always talking
33:06about being a gentleman,
33:07like you know,
33:08doing something the gentleman way.
33:09And then it's interesting to see
33:12that you in the Voxies
33:14is the least gentlemanly version.
33:16Are you jealous, mate?
33:18No, I definitely, honestly,
33:20the way Bec got treated at the retreat
33:23was bad in my opinion.
33:24Very, very bad.
33:25I feel that the majority of it
33:27stemmed from Gia.
33:28I did feel that, you know,
33:30Scott would blindly back her
33:32when Gia sometimes could be in the wrong.
33:35That frustrated me.
33:36I think, like, a man would call
33:39the behaviour out more full on,
33:43which I haven't done in the past as well.
33:45That's, yeah.
33:45Yeah, 100%.
33:46Potcorn and kettle.
33:46Yeah, potcorn and kettle, black.
33:47I agree with you.
33:48It's pretty clear to everybody
33:49that Bec and Gia's issues
33:51have spilled over into your relationships,
33:53but let's take a look
33:55at this unseen moment from the retreat
33:57just to get a bit of a gauge
33:58of what exactly was happening
34:00behind closed doors.
34:02She's a fucking master manipulator.
34:05It's the fucking Bec show.
34:06I'm not playing this shit anymore.
34:08I'm done with it.
34:09I'm so angry.
34:10Like, I'm like,
34:11I want to go talk to her and fuck her up.
34:13No, I'm really angry.
34:15Can you not respect your husband for a second, please?
34:17No.
34:18No, but Gia.
34:18Stop.
34:19For a second.
34:20No, please.
34:20What?
34:21Like, Rachel and Steve are now going to bed.
34:24Right.
34:24Everyone's settling down now.
34:26And I want us to get a good night rest
34:28because you're very tense.
34:29Yeah, let's go to bed.
34:30Great, okay, let's go.
34:31Good night.
34:32Let's wait for everyone to fuck off
34:33so I can talk to you later.
34:35I'm actually so done with this fucking conversation.
34:40Gia.
34:43Gia.
34:45What are you doing?
34:45I'm waiting till the cameras go.
34:49Why can't we just have a shower?
34:51I'm waiting till the cameras go, that's right.
34:52Oh, what's wrong?
34:53I'm just waiting till the cameras go.
34:54I want to talk to you when the cameras are gone.
34:56I can't be fucked.
35:06Scott, was this what you were copying regularly?
35:10Yeah.
35:11Yeah.
35:12A bit, yeah.
35:13It wasn't because of the relationship.
35:14It was just, all she focuses on is just everything else.
35:19Bec, in everyone's relationship, she wants to be the perfect girl.
35:22She wants this, I don't know.
35:24Why didn't she want to have those conversations with you on camera?
35:28Oh, she just wants to look perfect.
35:30So it's just protecting her aura and her character?
35:34Her image.
35:34It's all about her image.
35:35That's all it is.
35:36Even watching that scene there, I felt sorry for Scott because he's being very calm, just
35:40trying to speak to her, and he's just getting shut down, shut down, shut down.
35:43So it's like, what's Scott meant to actually do there?
35:47Did you know that he was going through that behind closed doors?
35:50No.
35:50Of course not, because that's behind the scene.
35:53I suppose you both were very good at, like, coming across really good in a public space.
35:57That's the only time I saw you at dinner parties and commitment ceremonies.
36:00So I didn't know stuff like that went on, you know?
36:03It's a tough one.
36:04Well, guys, in this room, unfortunately, there is nowhere to hide.
36:07So let's play a game.
36:09It is time for the honesty box.
36:11Now, you'll be familiar with this, but we're going to do this rapid revelation-style quickfire.
36:15So you both need to answer as quickly as you can.
36:18And you've only got two answers to choose from, so it's not difficult.
36:21It's Scott or it's Danny.
36:24Alright, ready?
36:25Who's the biggest alpha?
36:27Danny.
36:27Scott.
36:29You're not much of an alpha, mate.
36:30It's Scott.
36:31Scott.
36:32I'm speaking calm.
36:32I'm in a quiet environment.
36:33Doing a bloody hell, mate.
36:35Who's more of a gentleman?
36:37Danny.
36:37Scott.
36:39Who earns more money?
36:41Scott.
36:43Who's wife is the better cook?
36:45Danny's.
36:45Easy.
36:46Italian, mate.
36:47Mate.
36:48I never saw a friggin' dish on your table.
36:50I got one every day.
36:51She'd give you food poisoning, bruv.
36:53You'd end up like that.
36:54And look how ripped I am.
36:55What's the...
36:56Sure.
36:57Because she cooks better, bruv.
36:59She's barely feeding you, mate.
37:01Whose wife would win in a fight?
37:03Ooh.
37:05That's a hard one.
37:06I'd go back.
37:07I'd go back.
37:08I'm going to support my wife, Gia.
37:10That would be a good fight.
37:12Who is better dressed?
37:14Gia.
37:15No, you too!
37:16Sorry.
37:17Who's forgotten the game?
37:18Scott.
37:19Scott.
37:20Scott, no idea, that's for sure.
37:21Scott.
37:22Who has the lower IQ?
37:24Scott.
37:24Scott.
37:26Who has more nudes on their phone?
37:29Scott.
37:29Danny.
37:29Oh, to be fair, probably me because he deleted all this.
37:33547 got deleted.
37:34That wasn't nudes.
37:35That's a lot.
37:35That was not nudes.
37:36Who is more scared of their wife?
37:39Scott.
37:39Scott.
37:41Are you allowed to say that?
37:42Oh, mate.
37:43It looks like it.
37:44You can see it.
37:45Oh, here's Gia.
37:47I'll be out the door if I can tell you that right now.
37:50Who is more likely to lie to their partner?
37:52Danny.
37:52Danny.
37:54Who lies more?
37:56That will rock the ball.
37:57Danny!
37:57Who lies more?
37:58Danny!
37:59Danny, you just said...
38:01Scott.
38:01No, we have to stop on that because...
38:03We're just pissing about.
38:05Whose type would Gia be in the real world?
38:08Danny's.
38:09She thinks I'm...
38:10What?
38:11No.
38:12She put me second on the photo.
38:14Oh, as in you would be her type?
38:16Yeah.
38:16Yeah.
38:16You would be Gia's type.
38:17Fuck me.
38:18You didn't do too bad, but I think you got it wrong.
38:21Who wants to go home?
38:23Can we all go home now?
38:24Fuck me, yeah.
38:26Tell you what, there's some revelations in there.
38:28Wipe your brow, everyone.
38:29Thank you so much.
38:30Wow.
38:30Danny and Scott, thank you so much for both joining us.
38:33One day, we do hope to see your friendship back on track,
38:35but if this sneak peek of Sunday's commitment ceremony is anything to go by,
38:40it seems the tension between your wives is only getting worse.
38:43Beck has gotten away with a lot in this experiment,
38:46so I think the screenshots, if they are aired out, they help me,
38:50because what I've been saying this whole time is she is a calculated evil person,
38:54and those screenshots show that.
38:58I'm just excited for the next four weeks and see where we end up.
39:02I do see a future with her, unfortunately.
39:05I love you.
39:07Yeah, put me on the spot a little bit.
39:10If you're so terrified of making someone pregnant, maybe just do a snip.
39:14Has anyone heard of condom?
39:16It's reversible.
39:17But it's a procedure.
39:19It's okay.
39:21If I'm being honest with myself and with Philip,
39:26this is a breakup.
39:29No.
39:31We do not like you.
39:32Don't lie about me there.
39:33You're trying to make me look bad.
39:34You're interrupting our couch session.
39:36Shut up.
39:36I don't think this experiment is for me.
39:39Jules!
39:40No.
39:41Did you just hear that?
39:44No, she's gone.
39:50Well, as much as we'd love to keep dissecting every side eye and slip up,
39:54that's all we've got time for tonight.
39:56Thank you for joining us.
39:57But don't miss next week for more unseen moments,
39:59more unfiltered reactions,
40:01whatever chaos the next dinner party decides to unleash.
40:04And you're going to want to brace yourselves,
40:05because Feedback Week is here.
40:07And the thing about feedback,
40:09not everyone likes hearing it.
40:10So expect fireworks.
40:12Catch it all Sunday to Wednesday on 9 and 9 now.
40:15And we'll be back at same place, same time,
40:18right after the dinner party.
40:19Ciao for now.
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