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00:00Definitely get a listen right before Area 45,
00:03which I know many of you listen to Texans All Access.
00:06And last night, there is nothing better for me, Clinton Tyler,
00:08when John Harris gets himself good and passionate.
00:11And just like a great one in Mark Vandermeer,
00:15he knows how to stay out and then kind of throw in some things
00:20that kind of wire John up a little.
00:21Squirt a little lighter fluid on that.
00:22I could see, and I watched it yesterday on YouTube.
00:26I could see that Vandy knew John had his spatula out and was going.
00:35Oh, he was cooking.
00:36I could see him.
00:37And Vandy said, here, go ahead, baby.
00:40Turn up the heat.
00:41Turn up the heat.
00:42And John's a guy that, in his mind, you can hear him thinking,
00:45can get himself riled up even more.
00:47I know it from experience as a person who does that as well.
00:50But here was John Harris discussing the biggest point outside of C.J. Stroud
00:58that people are looking for in free agency, which is the offensive line.
01:02We expect our general manager to hit on 80% of picks.
01:04It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:06That's not the way this thing works.
01:07A good three-point shooter hits between, what, 40 to 45?
01:11If your general manager hits at that rate,
01:13he should sign a lifetime contract.
01:16So the fact that, well, he gets everything right other than the offensive line.
01:20Look at the Ravens.
01:21The Ravens have not gotten squat right on the edge.
01:25No Mahdi.
01:25Odafe Owe.
01:27David Ojabu.
01:28They kept drafting edge.
01:29Mike Green.
01:30Bust, bust, bust.
01:31They let Judon walk.
01:32They let Judon walk.
01:34Like, they couldn't get it done.
01:36There are teams that can't get it right at quarterback.
01:39There are teams that can't get it right at defense.
01:41We're watching the Bengals.
01:42They can't have drafted a defensive player worth a damn in who knows how long.
01:45So, we haven't gotten the offensive line right.
01:48But we sure have gotten corner right.
01:49We sure have gotten nickel right.
01:51We sure have gotten safety right.
01:52Edge.
01:53Wide receiver.
01:54I hope.
01:54I mean, going forward.
01:55I mean, look at it now.
01:56So, if you don't, I mean, you're not going to get every position absolutely right.
02:01That said, you keep taking wax with a hammer.
02:04And you're right.
02:04You didn't get it right with Juice.
02:06You didn't get it right with Kenyon.
02:08Okay.
02:09Are you going to stop?
02:10Stop.
02:11Drop the offensive line, man.
02:13Can't do it.
02:14Just don't do it.
02:15Like, no.
02:15You keep finding and changing your methods until you get the right five going forward.
02:20To get the right mix going forward.
02:22Bust.
02:23Bust.
02:23Bust.
02:24That's clearly Tyler's favorite part.
02:26I love it.
02:27I love the passion, baby.
02:28Go ahead, John Harris.
02:29I love it when he gets after it.
02:31And I don't even think that he was factually wrong on things, right?
02:36I think the Texans have done a really good job in the secondary.
02:39I think edge, whatever he's talking about with Baltimore, the Texans, they got that one down.
02:45This Dominique Robinson guy, I'm sure he'll probably play well for him on the edge.
02:49Yeah.
02:49Wide receiver's been pretty good for the most part.
02:52Except for two for 20, Christian Kirk.
02:54But other than that, they've done a pretty good job.
02:56Drafted, too.
02:57We'll see what these young guys do.
02:59Um, but John, you know the importance of the offensive line.
03:07You know the importance of that.
03:09We're not going to talk about the offensive line like safeties.
03:12Nobody gives a damn what M.J. Stewart does.
03:15Bust.
03:15Bust.
03:15Because M.J. Stewart is not connected to the most important piece.
03:21The offensive line, and John knows this, the offensive line is connected to the quarterback.
03:27And the quarterback is having issues.
03:30And one of the issues for the quarterback is them keep getting misses and misses.
03:36And John probably stopped probably a little quicker than I would have stopped on just Juice and Kenyon Green.
03:41I think they got a guy over there right now who's probably about to get cut.
03:44And Blake Fisher, that's probably a miss in the second round.
03:48Some free agency guys that they've missed on.
03:52Like, yeah, you can miss on some spots.
03:54But if you miss on offensive line, especially with the quarterback situation because they are so connected and affected,
04:01yeah, there's going to be some concerns.
04:04Some nervousness.
04:07And some, yeah, they've got to keep taking cracks at it.
04:10I hear you.
04:11But we've got to start hitting some of these cracks at this point.
04:15Right?
04:15That thing is the offensive line is connected to the most important piece.
04:19Nothing, and you tell me if I'm wrong with this.
04:22Maybe a coordinator, you've played the position at the highest level.
04:26Nothing is more effective that affects the quarterback than that up front.
04:32And, like, they've got to stop missing.
04:36Like, it's not just like, hey, just, yo, yes, they've been good at the other spot.
04:40But is it fair to say maybe some of the regression that we're seeing from C.J. Stroud could be
04:47connected
04:47with how he has reacted to the offensive line coming down year in after year?
04:53If you appear that he's a little bit more skittish from year one, could that have an issue with?
05:00That's why you talk about offensive line of importance.
05:02How many damn offensive line coaches have they had since we've been here?
05:05Eleven?
05:06Bust, bust, bust.
05:09Hey, hey, it don't matter what the running backs do around here.
05:11Oh, Barrett survived four or five regimes.
05:14It doesn't matter.
05:15The offensive line is connected to the most important thing.
05:19All right?
05:20Like, I'm with you.
05:20He's got to start hitting, but it ain't just like, all right, man, you can blow through
05:25and just absolutely have awful, awful success with the offensive line.
05:31But then, like, yeah, but he did that.
05:33You want to know why they ain't talking about the edge no more in Baltimore?
05:38Because they didn't go out there and get the equivalent of Ed Ingram.
05:42They went out and got Max Crosby, damn it.
05:44So they're not talking about the edge anymore.
05:47They fired the edge up.
05:48They ain't talking about it.
05:49They went out there and just said, F it.
05:51We're going to go ahead and take care of the edge thing with some what we know.
05:54But I just, I love John, and I think what he was saying was factual.
05:59But I think the context is, like, we've got to understand what the offensive line is connected to
06:04and why that's so important that they have missed that so much.
06:09Well, it's connected to the quarterback, and it's obviously has everything to do with the run game.
06:14And here's the deal.
06:15There's no sugarcoating how bad they've been up front.
06:19There's no sugarcoating that Jew Scruggs was a bust.
06:22There's no sugarcoating that Kenyon Green was one of the worst busts we've seen in the history of the organization.
06:27There's no doubt that Blake Fisher is on his way to being an absolute bust.
06:32There's no way to avoid that Lakin Tomlinson and Cam Robinson were probably your two most accomplished offensive line signs
06:39last year.
06:40And they didn't make the things together.
06:41And neither one of them, yeah, one of them, did Cam even play?
06:45But they damn sure didn't.
06:46He got us the first game of the season.
06:47There you go.
06:48I mean, there's just no sugarcoating that.
06:50I mean, there's no way around it.
06:54You know, you like to lean into Ed Ingram, had a good year, cool.
06:59You know, but you like to lean into Trent Brown, played seven games, cool.
07:02I mean, there's a – I guess there's an argument to be made that they did end up landing in
07:08a spot, Jake Andrews, picking him up off the streets.
07:11And it worked out okay for them.
07:13But there's no way – there's no sugarcoating what – you know, how bad they've been really all the way
07:18around with the offensive line for an extended period of time, not just Nick.
07:23Now, I think John's point of you don't – you obviously don't run from it and not draft it now.
07:27I mean, that's obviously not an option.
07:30You've got to keep taking swings at it.
07:31But, boy, I mean, we've – fact of the matter is with where they're at, you know, on the offensive
07:38side of the football,
07:39they've got to either hit some guys that they sign, more guys than just Ed Ingram, obviously, that are staying.
07:45And they've got to draft over a handful of years.
07:47They've got to draft more than just Ariante Ursary that can play, that can literally play, right?
07:52They've got to be better with the offensive line.
07:57Any way you slice it, any approach that you want to talk about, they've got to be better at evaluating
08:04and developing offensive linemen, period, point blank.
08:07There's no way around it.
08:08So, to me, any level of frustration that I hear in and around the offensive line,
08:14whether I agree with the specific details of, you know, what's being discussed,
08:21I completely understand why Nick Casario and this organization is under the microscope
08:27for the offensive line decisions that they've made over – I mean, really, this has been a –
08:32I mean, hell, the only reason I like the Laramie Tunsil move when they traded for him
08:36was that they put themselves in a position where they had to to protect Deshaun Watson.
08:40I mean, that's so – yeah, I mean, there's no way around it.
08:42This organization has not handled offensive line decisions well.
08:48They've not hit on enough guys.
08:50And it's more important than other positions.
08:53Yeah.
08:55And you can argue, I mean, look, they – you know, with the exception of a couple of guys,
09:01I mean, because you do – everything that is true that we just mentioned,
09:04the missing on the draft picks, the missing on the free agents,
09:06and then you also shipped your Laramie Tunsil and Titus Howard up out of here in that process.
09:12That's a lot of turnover.
09:14That's a lot of swing and misses.
09:16That's a lot of talent leaving the building by choice when you're swinging and missing.
09:20He's played with a lot of linemen.
09:22Yeah.
09:22A lot of different offensive linemen.
09:23Several different offensive line coaches.
09:25So, yeah, it's – I mean, any way you slice it, I mean, there's no defending
09:33or supporting Nick Casario or anybody in that organization when it comes to the
09:37offensive line decisions that they've made.
09:39I think they're – I think they're very, very suspect,
09:43and I think that's putting it nicely, to be honest with you.
09:45Yeah, I know we've got to get out of here.
09:47Isaiah, a guy who is with us on YouTube, a lot, you can't just – what do you say?
09:52The comparison to the Ravens getting Max Crosby was silly.
09:56You can't just go out there and get superstars to fill a need.
09:59That isn't normal.
10:00No, damn it.
10:01Everyone does it.
10:03What are you talking about?
10:06Yes, you can.
10:08Why can the Ravens do it and you can't?
10:10I'm not saying that's what you have to do.
10:12But, man, there are so many people who feel like, oh, no, no, that's –
10:17no, you can't do it.
10:18The Texans couldn't do that.
10:19No, everybody – no, you can.
10:21They could have easily said, all right, we are going to go and come hell or high water,
10:28we are going to sign three guys that are right there.
10:32It doesn't have to be Tyler Lindenbaum.
10:35It got that crazy.
10:36They could have said, we're going to go and sign Mays or Badass or whatever his name is.
10:42The guy from the Steelers, the guard from the Steelers that went.
10:47They could have – they could have – they could have done that.
10:50Or they could have traded for a great offensive line.
10:53They could still go trade for Trent – for Trent Williams.
10:57They could still go do that.
10:59They could do all of these things, just like they went and got Daniil Hunter,
11:04a superstar who came and helped solve their problems.
11:07Yeah.
11:08No, they can't.
11:09Look, Ron, that's – but that's another – that's another, like –
11:12I mean, you're just not – you're just not willing to admit what's going –
11:17I mean, look at the defense.
11:18I mean, they're signing – re-signing guys, developing guys, signing superstars,
11:23bringing guys in that D'Amico knows are plug-and-play, bloodlines of the defense.
11:27And, I mean, they're – defensively, they got one approach,
11:31and offensively, they got a total different approach.
11:32Now, you can agree with it.
11:34You can be okay with it.
11:35But, yeah, I mean, clearly their idea of fixing problems
11:38is to ship out the highly paid guys and bring in solid across the board.
11:42That's what they're attempting to do.
11:44Now, they swung and missed in that attempt several times as well.
11:48So, I'd argue that they're taking the more risky approach
11:51because you don't know drafts.
11:53You don't know lower-level free agents,
11:55older guys that don't have much left in the tank.
11:57Like, your risk is they're not near good enough to fill your void.
12:01If you pay for a guy that's in his prime, that's got a resume,
12:04that's got pelts on the walls, you know what you're getting.
12:06I think Braden Smith, you know what you're getting.
12:08I think Ed Ingram, it could be a little bit of a toss-up,
12:10but I think you've got at least one-year sample size
12:12of knowing what you're getting.
12:13We'll see.
12:13We'll see.
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