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The K&C Masterpiece broke down recent NFL free agency news, starting with the rumor that the 49ers might trade Trent Williams. They discussed his contract, performance, and what a potential move could mean for the league. They also broke down Alec Pierce’s new deal with the Colts, how it sets the market for George Pickens, potential contract implications, and more.
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00:00A developing story in legal tampering as it is now kicked off right here on 105.3 The Fan, your
00:05home for legal tampering.
00:08We would never do illegal things here at The Fan.
00:10Kevin, Ian Rappaport is Rappaporting, as you like to say.
00:14Yeah.
00:16The San Francisco 49ers are now said to be open to trading. Pro Bowl left tackle Trent Williams.
00:24Are they?
00:24A resolution has not been easy, and Williams is frustrated with the process. He's due.
00:30$32 million in salary with a $38 million-plus cap number, Kevin, according to Ian Rappaport.
00:39Here's, before we get to any of your numbers, which I know those are significant, Alec.
00:43Kevin and I are going to play a quick game.
00:45I am somebody interested. I'm in the Cowboys organization.
00:49Okay.
00:50I am interested in pursuing Trent Williams.
00:53Okay.
00:54And I'm calling my cap people. You are my cap people.
00:57Got it.
00:58Ring, ring, ring.
01:00Hello.
01:01Cap person.
01:02I would like to get Trent Williams. How much is that going to be?
01:06Nope.
01:07What's the number that we're...
01:09Nope.
01:09I want Trent Williams, though.
01:11Nope.
01:11Are you sure there's no money available?
01:13Why do you keep saying no?
01:16That's right.
01:16Okay.
01:17So, Trent Williams, a big no from the Cowboys because we're planning on spending $30 to $38 million on a
01:24left tackle in this free agency as you're trying to build the rest of your team?
01:28I do not think so.
01:30And to Corey's point, we checked.
01:33Yeah.
01:33So, when you hear the report that the Cowboys checked in on Trent Williams, we just recreated that for you.
01:38Now, the reason why he says $30 to $38 million is because I tried to play a positive role in
01:44the break, right?
01:45Yeah.
01:45Kevin was like, hold on, Corey.
01:46I may have found a little scenario here.
01:49And I looked at it and I was like...
01:50Save you some money.
01:51I was like, I hear what Rappaport's saying, but the 49ers are going to have to eat that signing bonus.
01:56So, that drives the price down to $30 million.
01:59Yeah.
01:59There you go.
02:00So, Alec, do you think anything has changed?
02:02If I pick up the phone now that I know it's $30 million and I call cat people, do you
02:08think that they're going to change their tune?
02:10You know, I like where your head's at, but no.
02:13Okay.
02:13Well, let's find out.
02:14Do you want to do another phone call?
02:15You know what?
02:15Ring, ring, ring.
02:16Hey, can you check in on this?
02:17Still no.
02:18Goodbye.
02:19All right.
02:20So, the legal tampering period has now begun and things are going to start getting...
02:25Wheels are going to start being in motion.
02:26That being said, though, would you just run the ball to the left side every time?
02:31Do this right now.
02:32You've got Trent Williams.
02:33Stop this.
02:33You've got Tyler Smith.
02:35Would you just run to the left every single time?
02:38Trent Williams...
02:39I mean, I can't afford it.
02:41But if I could...
02:4237 years old.
02:44He's still awesome, though.
02:46And last year, only started 16 games.
02:50All right?
02:52That's...
02:52What?
02:53The year before, only 10.
02:55All right?
02:56That's fair.
02:56But he consistently starts about 14 games for you.
02:5914 to 15, 16 games for you.
03:02Every year, over and over, he is sturdy, and he is still a Pro Bowl All-Pro.
03:07Yes!
03:08Let's go to the Alec Medford News Desk.
03:10Whoa!
03:11That would be different.
03:12We're going to keep it with the name Alec.
03:14Alec Pierce is returning to the Colts on a $116 million deal across four years.
03:23Oh, this is bad.
03:25This is very, very bad.
03:29Now, is this dumb on the part of the Colts, or is it the Cowboys should have gone ahead
03:34and set the market with Pickens, because now this looks like this number will be a little
03:40wild for George Pickens down the road?
03:43This is not good.
03:46And that's $29 million per year.
03:52What did we think the market going in for him was?
03:54$25?
03:55$22, yeah.
03:56Okay, $25?
03:56$25 max was where I was.
03:59He's getting...
03:59But I kept hearing $30 million in that range, and I kind of thought it was laughable.
04:04So, let's just take a look at it, because you know how the market works.
04:09Signing happens.
04:10People act accordingly.
04:12George Pickens is better than Alec Pierce.
04:16Perhaps definitively better than Alec Pierce.
04:19Yay or nay?
04:20Yes, definitively.
04:22All right, so the guy that you're definitively better than just got $29 million per year.
04:29Which, I mean, it does set the tone for, like, you're going to make $30 million no matter
04:36what.
04:37Pickens is going to make $30 million.
04:38You're going to make more.
04:39But now how much far more than that?
04:43And, Kevin, this number, because this was very similar to what happened with Miles Garrett
04:47last year.
04:48He set the number so big because he's the best.
04:51Yeah.
04:52And then Micah said, I want more than that.
04:54And the number got very skewed, and it was like, hold on, is that really what the market
05:00says you're worth?
05:01Well, the market says that Pickens is a, what, $33, $35 million receiver compared to Alec
05:06Pierce?
05:06Yep.
05:07Working their way to $40 million, like Florio said.
05:10Like, that's what...
05:11Again, if I'm the agent, that's what I'm asking for?
05:13Hold on.
05:14This Alec Pierce kid just got this much.
05:16Sure.
05:17Micah client's definitely worth $40 million.
05:19You know what's kind of interesting about that, because we've heard rumblings this morning
05:23too, that the Daniel Jones camp was a big old fat pass on what they offered, and he
05:29might be looking for somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million per year.
05:33And so, like, first of all, I think that's laughable.
05:36But then again, I would not have thought that Alec Pierce would get $29 million per, and
05:42so...
05:43It's interesting that that's the first, like, big move.
05:47This is a significant move.
05:48A lot of people might be asking, Alec Pierce, we've been talking about him for a while, he's...
05:53He was the top free agent wide receiver.
05:55Yeah.
05:55Because George Pickens is under the tag, so technically not a free agent.
05:59He was the top free agent wide receiver, and he just got $29 million per year.
06:03If I'm George Pickens' representatives, don't you come in and you say, all right, look,
06:08man, I want four for $140 million.
06:10I want to see what that guaranteed money is, because obviously that can change things.
06:15But I absolutely, four for $140 million, I would think, would be a viable number for
06:21Pickens, and CeeDee Lamb's already come out and said he doesn't mind if Pickens makes
06:26more money.
06:26And I want to go back to this one more time.
06:28You have the guaranteed money on that.
06:29Oh, how much?
06:30So $84 million in guarantees, $60 million fully guaranteed at signing, according to Rappaport.
06:36All right.
06:36So that's not an absolute disaster for the Cowboys.
06:41I'm trying to see what percentage that is of the overall money.
06:47So he got essentially 72.4% guaranteed.
06:51So if you, so, all right, George Pickens' deal, as I'm estimating it right now, four years,
07:02$140 million with $100 million guaranteed.
07:06That's my guesstimate, based off of the Alec Pierce number.
07:10And somebody from the 443, Pierce is getting $29 million.
07:14Why is that a problem for us?
07:16George was always going to get between $30 million and $35 million.
07:19Because I don't think $30 million is in the picture anymore.
07:21That's why I think it's an issue.
07:25So if Alec Pierce would have come in at $23 million, $25 million, oh yeah, George Pickens,
07:30he's better than that.
07:31Hell, let's give him $30 million, $32 million, whatever.
07:33Alec Pierce comes in at $29 million, I feel like $30 million isn't even a discussion point
07:38anymore.
07:38Like, I don't think you can reasonably go to George Pickens and say $4 million for $120 million
07:43anymore.
07:44Because I think you will get scoffed at.
07:46And so I think that just puts you at least on the high end of that.
07:52And that's just a bad thing if you want to, obviously, save money.
07:56Or, maybe another team comes in and they're like, ooh, man, that makes that George Pickens
08:04deal a lot more palatable to us if he's willing to sign.
08:08And I don't know.
08:09I still don't think you're ever going to get two firsts for him.
08:12But I think that price just went up.
08:15You're going to pay some significant amount of money to him.
08:17And you probably were going to anyway.
08:19You were.
08:19And now the decision is, are we going to really fight over $2, $3 million?
08:25Sure.
08:25Or is the agent going to say, no, we're fighting over $7, $9 million?
08:30Yeah.
08:30And that's your concern, right?
08:31Is that you say $33 million and he says $40 million.
08:34Yeah.
08:34And then the discussion is, well, how do we close that gap?
08:37Yeah.
08:37And then you start looking at the Mike Evans of the world and say, well, that closed the
08:41gap for us because the number for him is going to be far smaller.
08:44Yeah.
08:44Far less significant in shorter years.
08:46Now, you still have the rights to Pickens and you don't want to necessarily play that
08:50game because that's going to be a pain in the butt.
08:52Agreed.
08:53But you would love to say, we have Pickens available to us.
08:56We did a deal for, let's say it's $33 million.
08:59You don't have a thumbs up on $33 million for George Pickens.
09:02Right now.
09:03Right now.
09:04And this is kind of what we discussed last week.
09:06How will Pierce and Pickens affect each other?
09:10And we just see it right here.
09:11This is exactly the scenario we were putting out last week of which one will affect it the
09:17most and which one is going to be least affected to the Cowboys.
09:20If they go ahead and do something now, they get to set the market.
09:24But they waited and so the market changes.
09:27Yeah.
09:27I mean, because if you're George Pickens' group and you're sitting there, and let's
09:31use your numbers.
09:32The deal was four for $132 million.
09:35Oh, well.
09:36Maybe you got to talk about it.
09:37You see Pierce come in and now you're like, all right, tell him no.
09:42Tell him no, no, no, no, no.
09:45So that's something.
09:47By the way, people continue to ask this.
09:49We'll go ahead and throw it out there one more time with some specifics.
09:51And then hopefully we can move on from this idea.
09:54The issue of trading OSA.
09:56I think Alec broke it down well earlier.
09:59But the other part of it is you're just one year into his deal.
10:03That makes it you're always going to carry.
10:06The theory is the further you get into the deal, obviously, the less dead money you should
10:11have.
10:11Now, there are some restructures that can kind of mess that up.
10:13But that's the essential rule of thumb.
10:15Right now, OSA carries a dead money hit of about $33 million.
10:19Now, you could probably do some work on that.
10:21But, Corey, like if I told you in a vacuum, no numbers involved, you get OSA, you trade
10:27OSA for a second round pick.
10:28Well, yeah.
10:29Okay.
10:30Maybe.
10:30But then I told you also you have to eat $33 million on your cap.
10:34Oh, thank you.
10:34Yeah.
10:34Well, if you're the Cowboys now, you're like, well, that's stupid.
10:37I want two first.
10:38And every other team's like, not my fault you gave him that deal.
10:41And so I think therein lies the essential issue with the idea of trading OSA today.
10:47If you traded him in a year, I think that's a much more viable conversation.
10:51But right now, it's just too much.
10:54From the 901, the Gary deal will be the biggest defensive moves the Cowboys make.
10:59That would be disappointing.
11:00That would be extremely disappointing.
11:02And at the moment, it's the first deal that they've made.
11:06It kind of looks like that Jadavion Clowney is left on the outside in that conversation.
11:11But I don't, Kevin, I think it's a move.
11:14But I think that the draft moves that they make defensively could be bigger than this by far.
11:20Make a far bigger impact.
11:21Again, in this legal tampering period right now, there are three names that we'd love to
11:27see happen all in order.
11:30And Jalen Thompson, Jane, was just pointing out on NFL Network that that's still one of
11:35those that you need to keep an eye out for.
11:37She's a total.
11:38N'Kobe Dean, also one of the names that you need to keep an eye out for.
11:42And our dream, our pipe dream is Devin Lloyd.
11:44Cowboys, I think, are currently looking at it and saying, we still have to fix our linebacker
11:49position no matter what, because it was weak sauce last year.
11:51Yeah.
11:52And then when it comes to your safety position, you're losing Donovan Wilson.
11:55You can't just say, we're going to go draft one and make that happen.
11:58You have to fill the position right now so that you at least have some bodies, just in
12:03case your draft doesn't fall the way that you want it to.
12:05Adding a Jalen Thompson, I think, would probably be, it would be that order for me.
12:10Jalen Thompson, N'Kobe Dean, then Rashawn Gary in those top three for me at the moment.
12:15Ooh, okay.
12:16All right, interesting.
12:17Now, a couple of deals that happened right before the free agency period opened up.
12:22Conor McGovern, four years, $52 million with the Bills.
12:27Khalil Mack, one year, $18 million fully guaranteed with the Chargers.
12:32And then the Eagles, who are in the midst of maybe doing several fascinating things,
12:37three years, $78 million extension with the Eagles and Jordan Davis.
12:42But I wanted to go back to the Tua thing.
12:44I had not thought about it like this whatsoever, but a couple of different spots pointed out
12:50that they gave Tua the extension, right, while he still had his fifth-year rookie option,
12:59which means with all the dead money they're going to eat, they essentially paid Tua $123 million
13:07for one extra year.
13:09Okay.
13:09At least when it comes to their cap hit, they ended up essentially doing a one-year, $123 million extension
13:16because of the $99 million in dead money they're going to eat, though they are going to post June 1st.
13:23And in case you missed that discussion from earlier, it essentially gives you the opportunity
13:27to break that in two.
13:28It's not always exactly half down the middle, but more or less the opportunity to break it in two.
13:34And the Raiders did sign a three-year, $30 million deal with Eric Stokes.
13:39So there are things that are cruising right now.
13:42We are in cruise control.
13:44And there's going to be some deals today that you're going to, like, I don't care.
13:48So let me ask you this.
13:49I know, I don't know that he, here's the only gamble with Pickens,
13:55is that he says, I'm not playing on the franchise tag.
13:59Yep.
13:59That's the gamble.
14:00But if you got him for $27.6 while Alec Pierce played for $29.
14:05Yeah.
14:06Is that the way the Cowboys think right now is, hey, hold on, we're getting a deal.
14:10This is a steal of a deal.
14:12How much hardball would you want to play?
14:14Because you could just sit there and be like, yes, you will.
14:17You could say you won't, but guess what?
14:18If you don't, it carries over until next year and the next year,
14:22and then eventually your career is going to be over.
14:24You really want that.
14:25And then George Pickens' team can come back and be like, I'll show up halfway through the season
14:30when I'm mandatory required.
14:31Or, man, my hamstring's been kind of bothering me as of late.
14:36Hope that doesn't pop up again during the season.
14:39You better have a backup plan.
14:40And I have no doubt that those kind of discussions, not just with the Cowboys,
14:44but with teams everywhere, have happened again and again over the history of the franchise tag.
14:49Can I totally rule that out?
14:51That happened just this last year with the Bengals?
14:53No.
14:53No, I can't.
14:54So, look, it's a game of chicken that either one could win, but don't you see them both losing?
14:59Oh, yeah.
15:00Like, George Pickens, if he waits until July, guess what's happened with all the other Cowboys players like that?
15:04They've gotten off to a slow start.
15:06So, George Pickens, is he going to get off to a slow start?
15:09Is that going to affect his money?
15:10For the Cowboys, if you make a whole bunch of defensive moves,
15:13and your offense starts to sputter a little bit because you screwed around with one of your top offensive players,
15:19that's a lose-lose situation.
15:20But it feels like a good day for George Pickens, and the price probably went up.
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