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On The Alex Jones Show, Jay Dyer speaks with Stefan Molyneux about freedom, censorship, and cryptocurrency. Molyneux makes the case for Bitcoin, traces the connections between war and recurring economic crises, and examines how feminism has reshaped family structures. He ends by arguing that geopolitical tensions often serve as distractions from deeper domestic issues.

Chapters:
0:00:00 Introduction to Stefan Molyneux
0:00:44 The Impact of Censorship
0:03:09 The Money Problem
0:04:22 Early Influences on Economics
0:06:43 The Dangers of Government
0:08:42 War and State Control
0:11:00 Targeting of Online Voices
0:14:13 Bitcoin vs. Gold
0:17:27 The Morality of Bitcoin
0:19:50 Epstein and the Financial System
0:22:35 Government Manipulation and Control
0:28:53 The Failure of Political Promises
0:36:24 The Decline of Western Civilization
0:42:31 Feminism and State Power
0:45:58 The Iran War and Distractions

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Transcript
00:00It was about 2008, nine, and my best friend who passed away last year, he told me back then, he
00:07said, hey, you got to check out this guy. He has a podcast. His name's Stefan Molyneux. I remember watching
00:12a lot of these podcasts and thinking, oh, this is interesting. This is some good libertarian info.
00:16And I remember Stefan eventually blowing up and having a massive YouTube channel, having a massive reach, and then suddenly
00:24censorship hit hard, hit me. I know it hit Alex, and it hit Stefan tremendously. But thank God we got
00:33all of our channels and our stuff back, or at least most of us, except Alex have. Stefan Molyneux, welcome
00:39to the fourth hour of the Alex Jones Show.
00:41Thanks. I appreciate it. Nice to be here.
00:44So let's get into the track and the struggles that you had. I know that you had a massive channel.
00:52I remember watching it for a long time. You hit over a million subscribers. And then the censorship hit. How
00:58did that hit you?
01:00I mean, not as hard as some. Harder than others. I lost most online presence, payment processors, and so on.
01:09But you adapt. You kind of know it's coming.
01:12Like, I was in the game in 2005. I was like the third, maybe, user of YouTube or something like
01:18that. So you kind of get a sense that it's coming. I'm a philosopher. I've studied the history of philosophy
01:24extensively. And this is what happens to truth tellers, particularly when they gain some traction.
01:28What happens is you start to do good in the world. You start to encourage people to do good in
01:33the world. And that, boom, like that interferes with the designs of evildoers. And they wish to silence you. Those
01:40that they cannot answer, they wish to silence.
01:42Now, society has progressed to the point where we're not just dragged out onto a hill and hung or garretted
01:48or shot or set on fire. Now they just kind of silence us. But in those years, and they were
01:53amazing years, man, absolute peak humanity, 2005 to 2015.
01:58What a wild west, free range, liberty unleashed, no gatekeepers direct to the population, syllables thundering from the sky like
02:07the farts of Zeus. You could do anything, say anything. The power, the freedom was amazing.
02:13Of course, it's a party that can't last because you're allowed to have freedom as long as you don't affect
02:18change, right? You're allowed to have free speech. You know, you're allowed to say, well, I'm against the war. But
02:23if they can just print money and go to war anyway, you're allowed to have the syllables that surround you
02:28as long as they don't change anything that the powerful want to do.
02:30So the moment that people started actually changing things in the world for the better, man, you got to get
02:37that toilet plunger on the face and you've got to silence them down. So it's kind of something that I
02:42prepared for. I kind of knew that it was coming, but I was certainly very happy and proud of all
02:48that I did before and the stuff that I've been doing since.
02:52You had a tremendous influence. I mean, everybody I know, you know, from Sam Hyde to, you know, my best
02:57buddy that passed away, like everybody listened to stuff on Molyneux for years, a tremendous reach. Not that you don't,
03:03but I'm glad to see you back and many others, you know, getting their handle, getting their channel and whatnot.
03:10So so let's go back to the situation with the dollar and we'll get into Bitcoin and all that in
03:16a little bit. But, you know, I remember early on you were hammering this issue that we're never really going
03:21to get out of these problems until we fix the money, the money problem, until we fix the issues like
03:27the IRS and the taxation is theft.
03:29You were an early, early, early exposure of all that. What, what, how did you learn that? What was the
03:35thing that kind of tipped you off to the fact that we're actually controlled by the money printer and the
03:40wars? And we'll talk about this war as well, because I think it relates directly to this issue of the
03:45declining dollar. Like what, how did you wake up to that? Because you were way ahead of the curve.
03:49Well, it's funny, you know, I was thinking about this the other day. So it's a great question. Thank you.
03:53So when I was in my early teens, I know that sounds ridiculously precocious, but, but it is a fact
03:59that my early teens, I had a history teacher who was kind of interested in communism, capitalism, socialism, and he
04:04would describe these things fairly neutrally and so on. And I remember it's sort of an instinct that people have
04:09that when he said when I was maybe, I don't know, 13 or something like that, he said to the
04:15whole class, well, you know, don't forget,
04:18you're going to get your pensions when you get older. So taxation makes sense from that. And everybody laughed at
04:24him. Now, I'm not just talking about the mathletes who could do the math and understand that the pensions weren't
04:28going to be there, but everyone just kind of laughed at him. The very idea that in, you know, 50
04:34or 60 years, the government was going to keep its word to us was ludicrous. I mean, the idea that
04:42governments would do that because we all had the authoritarianism in school that was kind of unproductive.
04:48We had a school system that didn't care about what we wanted, a school system that teaches you absolute, complete,
04:55and total wasteful nonsense. The studies are that 98% of what you learn in school outside of basic reading,
05:02writing, and arithmetic is gone, baby. It's absolutely gone by the time you leave school. And by the time you
05:08leave school, I guess you know what an opposite angle theorem is and you know what a triangle inequality relation
05:13is, but you don't know how to start a business.
05:15You don't know anything about the system you live under, and you don't know anything about taxation. You don't know
05:21anything about morals, but you've learned a lot of useless administrivia. And of course, as society has fragmented, because we
05:28used to, of course, have a Christian enlightenment, a combination of Christianity and Greco-Roman reason, we used to have
05:35that society so you could teach those values.
05:37But as society has fragmented more, teaching moral values becomes more and more difficult and more and more people get
05:44upset when you teach moral values in school, because if you teach Christian values, then other religions get upset.
05:49And so you basically have to carve out all moral content from education and replace it with absolutely mind-numbing,
05:57useless stuff. So I remember thinking just even at the time, there's no way that the government is interested in
06:04our long-term interests as school kids, because they're not even interested in our short-term interest.
06:09I remember when I was a kid, the teachers all said the same thing, you know, if effort matched ability,
06:15man, you'd be an A+, which is kind of like, well, why am I not putting in any effort?
06:20Maybe there's something wrong with the system. Maybe the system that's completely unresponsive to what children actually want is emblematic
06:26of a government that doesn't really care about what citizens want.
06:30And, you know, study after study has kind of proven this, that governments, they do what they want. They'll give
06:35you the fig leaf of voting. Voting is a suggestion box for slaves. And so they'll give you the fig
06:40leaf of voting, but they're just going to do what they want.
06:42And most Americans don't want to go to war in Iran. Going into war in Iran, you don't have to
06:46go to the citizens and say, hey, man, I really want to go to war in Iran. Can you sign
06:50me a check for $15,000 so we can go do it? Because then people could say no.
06:54When I was an entrepreneur and I wanted to found a software company, I went hat in hand to people
07:00that I knew and asked them to invest money. And if they'd have said no, there wouldn't have been a
07:04business because it's voluntary.
07:05But if the government can just borrow and print and create out of thin air the money they want to
07:10pursue their agendas, what on earth would the votes of individual citizens or the preference of individual citizens mean at
07:15all?
07:16And it is coercive. If you say no, bad things happen. And I'm not a big fan of that kind
07:21of violence or any kind of violence for that matter, except maybe a little bit of self-defense.
07:26Yeah, I think, you know, the hardest thing for the public to understand and even for intelligent people, because they
07:33intentionally sort of wrap economics and a bunch of, you know, cutouts and scams and confusing terminology.
07:41But really, when you understand it as like a giant sort of onion ring of theft and that the war
07:47becomes the health of the state, I think we're at this juncture once again, we're kind of going back to
07:53like Operation Enduring Freedom or Desert Storm or whatever.
07:57Like we saw the same thing 20, 30 years ago, where when we have these significant economic downturns or problems,
08:03war becomes the health of the state.
08:05Why is the dollar declining? Why is war the health of the state, Stefan?
08:11So war creates a situation of unity. It creates a situation of being under threat. And when people feel scared,
08:20they flock to authority.
08:21This is why almost the entire business of government and the media is to constantly poke you with these little
08:26tasers of fear, anxiety, terror, you know, the global warming stuff and the deadly viruses stuff and the COVID stuff.
08:34Their purpose is to keep you constantly nervous, constantly anxious, constantly on edge, because then you feel like you need
08:41authority.
08:42And so war is the health of the state because it allows the state to grow. It allows the state
08:46to impose restrictions on the liberty of the individual that it never really would be able to do in peacetime.
08:53And the state is also the health of war, because I gave a speech in Europe many years ago, Bitcoin
09:00versus war, which basically pointed out that if the government can't just create money, but actually has to go head
09:06in hand to the population, you can find out if the population actually supports war or not.
09:10But if they can just create their own money, they can leap over. It's sort of like your boss tells
09:15you what to do.
09:15But if you win $20 million in the lottery, well, the boss doesn't really doesn't really tell you much because
09:20you've got all this money in the government can can type whatever it wants into its own bank account.
09:25So I can go and do whatever it wants. And of course, people love war. There are psychopathic sadists that
09:31are in charge of a lot of what we do, and they love disassembling human beings.
09:36There is a cruelty that is absolutely inconceivable to me, like I'm the guy who will swerve and endanger his
09:43life to avoid a squirrel on the road.
09:44But there are other people who enjoy raining down thunderblood Zeus tomahawks from the sky to people who have no
09:51control over their environment, i.e. the Iraqis, the Iranians, the Syrians, the Kurds, the you know, you name it,
09:57right?
09:57And so there are brutal people up there. And the existence of evil makes the state very challenging, because if
10:06we have evildoers who want to impose their will violently on others, what is the remedy to that?
10:11I don't think the remedy to that is to give them a virtually unlimited budget to achieve all sorts of
10:16violence throughout the world with no repercussions.
10:18And that's sort of a problem I've been puzzling over for many decades.
10:23I want to get to the issue with Bitcoin and perhaps why it's superior to gold, because I think a
10:28lot of people are going to immediately say when they hear you mention Bitcoin, well, that's that Internet money.
10:33That's that's that's not a thing. Every time I bring this up, well, it ain't a thing.
10:37Well, you know, Facebook's not a thing, right? You don't go, you know, find Facebook under a microscope.
10:42But before we get to the sort of the mechanics of that, what do you think was the main reason
10:50that they targeted your channel and your outlets?
10:54Do you think it was because you were going kind of hard into the necessities of what builds Western civilization,
10:59what builds a healthy civilization?
11:01For example, having borders, not allowing, you know, infinity migrants in was what do you think were the main things
11:08that were really tipping the establishment to take you down?
11:12Well, they didn't like Trump and they really, really, really, really wanted that 2020 election very, very much so to
11:21the point where they'd be even suppressing the Hunter Biden story, which, you know, people say, was the election rigged
11:26or whatever?
11:26Well, sure. I mean, we know that for sure in America, because the Hunter Biden story suppression swung the election
11:33to Biden.
11:34We know that from the exit polls, that 17% of people would have changed their vote if they'd known
11:38about the Hunter Biden story.
11:39So suppressing that changed the election. And that was an artificial form of censorship.
11:44So why did they target me? I mean, there could be any number of reasons.
11:48Lord knows I gave them a lot of excuses, so to speak.
11:50But I would assume it's because Trump won in 2020 by 70,000 votes and those who had every individual
11:59who had been pushing back against the lies of Trump.
12:03I mean, I certainly had some sympathies for Trump, but I thought Trump in particular was a great way to
12:09talk about the falsehoods of the media.
12:10I mean, the media lied about me a lot, as it tends to about, I mean, the media lies about
12:16good people all the time.
12:17It's for purposes a smear campaign. And so when I saw the media lying about Trump, I was like, well,
12:23let's expose these.
12:25So I did a whole series of videos called The Untruths about Donald Trump.
12:30And, you know, Trump won by 70,000 votes. And I suppose they targeted people that they perceived as pro
12:35-Trump, whereas I was more anti-lies than pro-Trump.
12:38So there was that. Of course, I was very passionate about Brexit and so on.
12:44And so I would assume it's just a wide variety of people who can count and run the math and
12:49were fairly unscrupulous about their aim at power.
12:54Let's get into a little bit of that Bitcoin topic there, because, you know, this one is always a challenge
13:00to try to convey the truths about Bitcoin versus the lies that are out there.
13:06Because every time, you know, Bitcoin takes a significant dip, it's over, it's dead, it's going to zero.
13:12Of course, we know that that's not going to happen. We've been we've been hearing that since the beginning of
13:15Bitcoin.
13:16I want to give you props because it was you and Max Keiser that were talking about Bitcoin way before
13:20I actually got into it.
13:21You were there 2011, very early. So you understood what this was.
13:26As you understood the mechanics of it, why it's actually the opposite of the Keynesian sort of, you know, Fabian
13:31socialist model that we have today in economics.
13:33What would you say to somebody who's still skeptical, who thinks, well, why would I want something like gold or
13:38physical?
13:39Not that you can't have gold. You can have gold. Gold has its positives.
13:43But why Bitcoin over gold?
13:45Yeah, I mean, both have their value. I mean, everything in life is a tradeoff.
13:50So there are benefits and costs to both.
13:52Gold, of course, is expensive to store. People spend about 3% of the value of their gold every year
13:58to store it.
13:59It's very expensive to transport. It's illegal to transport in most instances across any kind of borders.
14:06It's easily seized by the government. And it's all subject to fluctuations, of course, because if they find some big
14:13new deposit of gold or, you know, they go out to asteroids, something like that, or an asteroid crashes with
14:19a bunch of gold, then that's going to be highly variable.
14:22So, I mean, there are pluses to having gold, I get, that is tangible and physical and fungible and all
14:26that kind of stuff.
14:27But it's expensive to store. It's expensive to move. It's subject to seizure. And that's not even theoretical.
14:34That's happened a bunch of times in American history in the 30s and in the 70s and so on.
14:39And so there are pluses and minuses to gold. There are pluses and minuses to real estate.
14:44I mean, people who invested in real estate, say, in Tehran, are probably not feeling that their investment is doing
14:50very well at the moment.
14:52And of course, if you invest in real estate, then you have your property taxes, maintenance, and so on.
14:57And if you rent it out, then there are other costs with bad tenants and legal issues and squatters.
15:02And, you know, every investment has its positives and its minuses.
15:06The general criticism of Bitcoin is that it's based on nothing. It's based on nothing.
15:13You say, well, real estate, you can live in it.
15:14And gold is like dual or triple or quadruple uses electronics and jewelry and other sorts of things that people
15:21can use it with.
15:22But that's kind of odd to me.
15:24So saying that something is really specialized and that's a problem, Bitcoin is entirely designed to solve a number of
15:32problems in currency.
15:34Number one, it's capped at 21 million.
15:37There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins.
15:39And there's actually fewer because there are estimates that 20, 30 percent of Bitcoins have been permanently lost.
15:44People have just made mistakes or forgotten things or died with their seed phrases in the wind.
15:49And so, yeah, there's a bunch of stuff that has been lost.
15:52Bitcoin is fixed.
15:54It's limited.
15:54It's almost infinitely divisible.
15:56It is validated around the world by a bunch of networks.
16:01And you can walk across.
16:03You can have 100 million dollars in Bitcoin and you just have to remember 12 words and you can walk
16:08anywhere in the world and have your money.
16:10And there's no costs to store it.
16:13You don't even need to store it on a computer if you don't want.
16:16So there's lots of advantages to it.
16:19It's, you know, the difference between physical mail and email, right?
16:22Say, oh, email has no value because it's intangible.
16:24It's like, well, yeah, but because it's intangible, you can squirt an email from here to Dubai in about half
16:31a second, whereas a physical letter is going to take a lot longer and be more expensive and so on.
16:35So there are pluses and minuses.
16:38And I don't mean this with your audience at all.
16:41I actually have a great deal of respect for your audience.
16:43But generally, boomers feel uneasy around Bitcoin because how do boomers get their money?
16:48Again, you know, current audience accepted.
16:51Boomers get their money by stealing from the young.
16:54They get their money by not depositing much into their social security or pension schemes and then pillaging the entirety
17:03of the young.
17:04And it's the first time where we have this, you know, this is where the myth of vampires comes from
17:08or something.
17:08Ancient people sucking the blood of the young and so on.
17:11And that's all pension schemes.
17:13So why do boomers, oh, I don't know.
17:15I don't know about that Bitcoin.
17:16It seems newfangled and funny.
17:18It's like, well, yeah, because if you had a pension scheme based on Bitcoin, you couldn't pillage the young.
17:23Fiat currency, you can pillage the young.
17:24Fiat currency, you can print money.
17:27You can transfer money from the young to the old because, you know, there's nothing in the old age pension
17:32scheme,
17:32just a bunch of dusty treasuries and IOUs.
17:35There's no money there.
17:36The money that was taken by the government that people really supported the government taking.
17:40There's no money there.
17:41It's all gone, right?
17:42So where do you get the money to pay the pensions?
17:43You just tax the young.
17:44You inflate the currency.
17:46You borrow.
17:46You can't do any of that with Bitcoin.
17:50So Bitcoin's a little bit of, you know, this kind of thing to the slightly undead boomers that are enjoying
17:57feasting on the fading lifeblood of the young.
18:00So, yeah, Bitcoin is limited and Bitcoin fundamentally is moral.
18:04See, morality is based on scarcity.
18:07We don't really have property rights for air because air, except if I'm in the room rambling, air is largely
18:13an infinite resource.
18:14So we don't need to have property rights for air.
18:16We have property rights for things that are scarce.
18:20And Bitcoin is scarce, which means people have to weigh pros and cons.
18:25They can't just print money and do whatever they want.
18:27They have to ask for permission.
18:28They can't steal either directly or indirectly through the most vicious form of theft, which is inflation.
18:34They can't do any of that.
18:36They actually have to negotiate, be honorable, be virtuous, respect property rights.
18:40All of that is undermined by fiat.
18:43So Bitcoin, by reimposing limitations on currency, allows us to actually negotiate in society for our values rather than just
18:53have psychopaths type whatever they want into their own bank account and do whatever the heck they please.
18:59You actually have to go to people.
19:01You have to ask things.
19:02You have to negotiate.
19:03It's a fundamentally virtuous.
19:05Now, people say, ah, yes, well, we could have a gold standard.
19:08And it's like, well, yeah, but we tried that.
19:11We tried that.
19:13Humanity has been trying gold standards for thousands and thousands of years.
19:18I've got a presentation online, the truth about the fall of Rome, which is sort of pointing out that Rome
19:23had a gold standard.
19:24It had a bronze standard, a copper standard.
19:26And all it did was just debase the coins.
19:28And so the gold standard is you constantly dilute everything.
19:32And so the gold standard isn't magical.
19:34You need to return the power of currency, which is the biggest power in the world, really, since it drives
19:40all political power.
19:41You have to return control of the currency to the people or we're just shouting at clouds trying to get
19:46them to do what we want.
19:50On that point, one of the constant criticisms of late in regard to the fact that Epstein had a degree
19:57of involvement early on in funding some coding, and then there was the fake email where Epstein claimed with just
20:04laying to be the creator and to be Satoshi.
20:06We know that one was a fake one.
20:08Obviously, it had two twos in the email itself, which was obviously drawn.
20:14It didn't even look like a real email.
20:15But what would you say to the people who are bringing up the sort of recent Epstein emails in regard
20:21to Bitcoin and crypto?
20:23To me, it looks like Epstein was just interested in sort of spraying money everywhere to see what would hit.
20:28And if something popped off, then it worked.
20:30But that's a different thing from being able to, quote, control or to code Bitcoin.
20:35And Epstein had nothing to do with that.
20:37It's also a public protocol.
20:38So you can't really write a backdoor into it.
20:40Is that correct?
20:41That is correct.
20:42And there's a very powerful question.
20:46It's really the essence of philosophy in many ways.
20:49There was an old philosophy professor who was asked by a student, how's your wife?
20:53And he said, compared to what?
20:56And in philosophy, the question compared to what is really foundational.
21:01This is virtuous compared to what?
21:02Right.
21:03This is true compared to what?
21:04Right.
21:05So compared to what is really, really important.
21:07So if people say a bad guy put a little bit of funding into the foundation of Bitcoin, therefore, Bitcoin
21:15is immoral.
21:16You're saying, oh, so immoral people having something to do with currency makes that currency immoral.
21:23OK, that's a fine principle.
21:25Let's apply it universally compared to what?
21:27OK.
21:28How many virtuous people are currently running the fiat currency system, right?
21:32How many people are using the fiat currency system to create the largest thefts in human history, to transfer money
21:38from men to women, from the young to the old and so on?
21:43And what happens if you decide not to participate in the fiat system?
21:48See, you cannot do Bitcoin all day long and nothing bad will happen to you.
21:51Try stepping outside the bounds of the fiat currency system.
21:55And you get all kinds of Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan, and Saddam Hussein Iraq, and Lord knows what's happening in Iran,
22:02which doesn't have the general central bank of every other country.
22:06So if people are going to say, well, we have to look at the people who are running the currency
22:10system or are originating the currency system, and we have to make sure that they're perfectly virtuous, fine.
22:16Let's look at fiat a whole lot further and sooner and deeper than anything to do with Bitcoin.
22:23Welcome back to The Alex Jones Show.
22:25I'm your guest host, Jay Dyer, jaysanalysis.com, Jay Dyer on YouTube.
22:28We are talking to Stefan Molyneux, freedomain.com.
22:33You can also find him on Twitter under Stefan Molyneux.
22:36Stefan, let's get back to the topic.
22:37We were discussing economics.
22:39We're discussing wars held to the state.
22:42Did you get a chance to go very deep into the Epstein files?
22:46Do you have thoughts on this?
22:47Because it kind of suggests to me that the way government really runs is kind of a supra-international organized
22:55crime syndicate that's able to manipulate, compromise, and even assassinate those who don't go along.
23:02What do you think?
23:03Yeah, I was talking about this.
23:05Of course, Mike Cernovich and the Miami Herald were very fundamental in getting this information out, and we were talking
23:12about this way, way back in the day, and I've been following that quite closely because there is, of course,
23:19this great mystery.
23:20What kind of system do we live in?
23:21And there's what we're told about the system that we live in, right?
23:25The general narrative that we have a social contract because we have a vote, and we can choose our leaders,
23:32and we can change our leaders, and the leaders have to listen to us because we are the voters.
23:38And, you know, that's the general, I would say, fairy tale that we get when we are children, and it
23:44has about as much reality as any of the other Grimm's fairy tales.
23:47It's a very grim fairy tale, I suppose.
23:48So then we get to become adults, and we vote, and we notice that no matter what we vote for
23:58or who we vote for, the outcome generally tends to be the same.
24:01As they say, the Democrats are just the Republicans in more of a hurry.
24:06And so there's this general tendency towards more and more control, more and more regulation, more and more bureaucracy, higher
24:14and higher taxes, more and more debt.
24:16And there doesn't seem to be any particular way to stop or reverse this, particularly when a culture goes into
24:24what seems like terminal decline after about 250 years.
24:27It tends to be quite common across all cultures for reasons we can get into if we want.
24:31And so there's this disconnect between theory and practice.
24:36This is the way our system is supposed to work, but it doesn't really work that way at all.
24:41And we sort of feel like, this is an old reference, but, you know, Lucy in Peanuts with the football,
24:45she says, oh, Charlie Brown, come kick this football.
24:48And he says, oh, you're going to just pull it away.
24:50And so this sort of rug pull or this Lucy football pull is kind of what happens.
24:55And so we all have a question.
24:57Now, the leftists have this answer, which is not too bad, which is to say, the government doesn't listen to
25:03you.
25:03The government listens to sort of big corporate interests and so on.
25:07And the donors and the people who are heavily invested in controlling the government for the sake of their own
25:12economic advantage in particular.
25:14And that's not a terrible answer, but it doesn't really explain why the more free market aspects of the government
25:20would make their decisions.
25:22Now, of course, with the Republicans, you get much more fundamentalist Christianity.
25:26And with more fundamentalist Christianity, there is a weakness to the narrative about the Middle East and the protection of
25:32Israel and so on.
25:33And so that's partly why you get that foreign involvement, particularly in the Middle East.
25:39So I think Epstein came along and there was this fascinating window into why the system doesn't work the way
25:47we're told that it works.
25:49Or to put it another way, it works in exactly the way that it's supposed to work, but it's not
25:54the same as what we're told in the way that it works.
25:57And so the idea, if this is the case, and we probably will never find out for sure, but if
26:03it is the case that Epstein had his various houses and his ranch in particular was never searched,
26:07but, you know, his various houses and brownstones, if he had them wired for video and sound and the typical
26:12guess about how it works is something like you bring people over,
26:16you have underage girls that look older, they're made up, and then you get the men drunk, or women, I
26:23guess, for that matter,
26:24and then you end up with them in sexually compromised positions with these underage girls, and it's filmed, and then
26:30you own them.
26:31You just have them, because you say, listen, you can't quit, and you've got to do what we say,
26:36or, you know, unholy heck is going to thunder down upon you from the legal skies,
26:40and you will end up like Gollum in the base of the mountain.
26:43So, if that's the way the system kind of works, based upon blackmail and deception and control and so on,
26:53that would go a long way towards explaining why, for instance, in the Western world,
26:58the citizens have wanted a wide variety of things for quite a long time,
27:03including things like reducing mass immigration, improving the healthcare systems,
27:09and lower taxes, and so on, and less foreign involvement, and lower wars, lower foreign aid, and so on,
27:16because if you can't solve the problems at home, you shouldn't be spending money overseas.
27:20So, this is what the people want, and it all seems, you know, quite reasonable and normal,
27:24and exactly how society was not a few decades ago, and nobody gets it.
27:29So, who's getting out of the system what they want if it's not the citizens?
27:33And if we look at the Epstein thing, and it's just one of many possibilities,
27:38I don't think they need Jeffrey Epstein anymore, because everyone's digital fingerprint can be used to control them now,
27:43but it certainly would go a long way towards explaining to people why the system, quote,
27:49works the way that it does, why the general population is kind of ignored,
27:52and why people don't get what they vote for.
27:55And that was, and the big thing with Trump, of course, was to try, it was a last-dish effort
28:02by the population as a whole,
28:04to try to get something that they wanted, right?
28:06So, Trump's going to build a wall, Mexico's going to pay for it, he's going to deport all of these
28:10people,
28:10no more foreign wars, and so on, and lower taxes, and, you know, it's not, of course, the end of
28:18the term,
28:19so it's hard to know for sure, but certainly, so far, the deportations are relatively low,
28:24the border wall has not been completed, of course, the invasion of Iran, or at least the war against Iran
28:30is underway,
28:31which is absolutely brutal for a variety of reasons, and I think that people are processing,
28:36and I myself feel a sort of genuine wave of sadness about this whole situation,
28:42because people are saying, well, Trump was an outsider, Trump was independently wealthy,
28:47Trump has been investigated up the yin-yang, and they don't have anything on him,
28:51because otherwise he would have been locked up long ago,
28:54and he does seem to be a genuine populist, he's been talking about this stuff for decades,
28:59and you could not, in a sense, design a person who would break the cycle of ignoring the voters
29:05while promising the moon,
29:07and the fact that Trump appears to be crumbling into a deep failure to change things
29:14means that if one of the most popular guys in the world,
29:18who's incredibly charismatic, strong-willed, and a billionaire to boot,
29:22if he can't break the cycle and listen to the people,
29:26I think people are gonna, well, I think they already are,
29:30falling into a very serious state of despair and confusion,
29:35but don't worry, there are moral philosophers like myself to catch you when you fall,
29:39and to explain the way forward.
29:42Well, I want to see what you think about this,
29:45something that, you know, ties a couple themes together.
29:48For example, we have our first part of the discussion about banking
29:52and essentially fiat currency and the structure of that sort of swindle,
29:56I think you could say,
29:57and I was recently revisiting a Rothschild's biography,
30:02which discussed the famous Waterloo incident,
30:04and they were bragging in the biography, authorized biography by Morton,
30:07and that, yes, the story was actually true,
30:09we did get advanced intelligence,
30:10and this allowed us to then sort of buy up the London Stock Exchange
30:13for pennies on the dollar when it crashed,
30:15based on advanced intelligence.
30:17And then some of those emails, I thought, were very,
30:19like you said, a window into this system,
30:21how it works with advanced intelligence,
30:23where, for example, Epstein is describing to Ariana Rothschild,
30:27to others, that when there's this crisis in this region,
30:30we have advanced intel, we can get in, buy it up,
30:32we can, you know, get the bailouts,
30:35you know, when the bailouts happen,
30:37we can have a fire sale,
30:38we can buy up places in Greece for pennies on the dollar.
30:40So it seems like there's a connection
30:42between the oligarchical, nefarious intelligence operations
30:47that Epstein seems to be involved in
30:48and the banking system
30:50and the structure of that swindle
30:52for the last several hundred years.
30:54Obviously, as you said, this goes back to the ancient world.
30:57There's nothing new about money clipping
30:59and debasing the currency,
31:00and there's nothing new about sexpionage
31:02and this kind of honey trap stuff.
31:04But is there a connection
31:06between the banking fiat swindle
31:08and organized oligarchic intelligence crime?
31:13Well, I actually started my career
31:17in the tech world
31:18as a programmer
31:20at a stock trading place.
31:23And there was, you know,
31:24millions of lines of COBOL code,
31:25and I was fairly responsible for,
31:28you know, designing and implementing programs
31:30to attempt to give them any kind of advantage
31:32in the marketplace.
31:34And I'm going to try and keep this brief
31:36because, you know,
31:37it's a lot of information to compress and get across.
31:41But the stock market was originally not designed
31:44for the everyday person.
31:45The stock market was designed
31:47like professional poker players.
31:50You don't just wander off on the street
31:51and sit down across Ben Affleck
31:53and say,
31:54I'm going to take you on, brother.
31:55Right.
31:55So the stock market was designed
31:57for people who knew the business,
31:59who knew how to invest
32:01and who understood the risks
32:02and were able to hedge them
32:04and were financially
32:06and mathematically
32:07and numerically literate.
32:08Now, the problem is, of course,
32:10lots of people,
32:12billions of people around the world
32:13are forced into the stock market
32:15against their will.
32:16And they're forced into the stock market
32:17because you can't just leave your money
32:19sitting in the bank
32:20because the endless termites
32:21of fiat inflation
32:22will eat away your actual life,
32:25your actual life.
32:26You work for 40 years.
32:28And by the time the end of that 40 years has gone,
32:3120 years of those have been a slave.
32:32You've been eaten up.
32:34You've been torn down.
32:35You've been enslaved.
32:37Retroactively,
32:38that's what inflation does
32:39is it steals the excess of your past labor
32:42to use to feed the more of control and war.
32:45And so people have to go into the stock market,
32:49though they don't want to.
32:50It's like saying,
32:51well, why would you get into a lifeboat
32:53in the Arctic?
32:54It's like,
32:54because the Titanic is going down.
32:56You've got to go somewhere.
32:57You've got to save your money
32:59from somewhere.
33:00Our money used to be gold,
33:02which you could store indefinitely.
33:03Now it's like grain.
33:06You've got to use it.
33:07Use it or lose it.
33:08And so you have to go into the stock market.
33:10Now, because there's so many,
33:13many, many trillions of dollars
33:15in the stock market
33:16that have no business being there,
33:17but it's just fleeing,
33:19you know, like if there's going to be
33:20some sort of natural disaster,
33:22everyone crowds into the gym
33:23in the local high school.
33:25Well, that's people fleeing
33:26the natural disaster
33:27of fiat currency theft,
33:28and they're just herded
33:29into the stock market.
33:31Now, because there's trillions of dollars,
33:33like, you know,
33:34like a squid trying to feel
33:35for some food
33:36in the crevices
33:37of a coral reef,
33:39there are trillions of dollars
33:41sniffing for every short-term opportunity
33:44to make the tiniest sliver
33:46of profit,
33:47which means that information
33:48has become staggeringly valuable.
33:51And of course,
33:51you could just ask Nancy Pelosi about that.
33:53So if you have,
33:54you know,
33:55there are trading firms
33:57that have moved
33:59their entire office
34:00to be one mile closer
34:02to the data centers
34:03because it gives them
34:04a tiny nanosecond advantage
34:06in their orders, right?
34:08So the amount of information profit
34:13that is out there
34:14because so many people
34:15are herded into the stock market
34:17as refugees
34:18from the degradation
34:19of fiat currency
34:20means that information,
34:22and this is political information
34:24in particular, right?
34:25What the government
34:25is about to do.
34:27Are they about to pass
34:28some crypto bill?
34:29Are they about to raise,
34:30as they were threatening to,
34:32and I think they backed down
34:33to do,
34:34to tax unrealized capital gains.
34:36I think that was
34:37in the Netherlands, right?
34:38So the tiny slivers
34:40of information
34:40and literally being
34:41one one hundredth
34:42of a second
34:43faster than everyone else
34:45has meant that
34:46this information
34:47is worth more
34:48than the entire economy
34:49in terms of profit.
34:50And so when you have
34:52intelligence agencies
34:53and you have insider information,
34:55the amount of profit
34:56that you can make
34:56is so enormous
34:58and it seems like
35:00everyone except Martha Stewart
35:01gets away with it.
35:02And so with that level
35:04of profit
35:04and that level
35:06of unenforced accountability,
35:09you can't enforce it,
35:10you can't possibly
35:11know everything
35:12that everyone knows
35:14ahead of time.
35:15And so that is just
35:17such a massive amount
35:18of profit
35:18with such a minimal
35:20amount of risk
35:21that it seems to me
35:23that most governments
35:24and intelligence agencies
35:25now are largely focused
35:27on getting those
35:28tiny slices of information
35:30that can be the difference
35:31between making
35:32a hundred million dollars
35:33and losing a hundred million dollars.
35:34And it seems to me
35:35utterly unenforceable,
35:37particularly if it's worldwide.
35:38And of course,
35:39last but not least,
35:41Bitcoin fixes this.
35:44Yeah, exactly.
35:46And again,
35:47Bitcoin is the solution
35:48to a lot of these
35:50financial problems.
35:51And when you really understand
35:53the mechanics of it,
35:54not that I do,
35:55I've been studying it
35:56for, you know,
35:57since 2017,
35:58you much longer.
35:59There's always more to learn.
36:00There's always more
36:01to understand about
36:02this amazing protocol.
36:04It's almost like
36:05a gift from God,
36:06you could say,
36:07like Max Kreiser says.
36:08But I want to talk
36:09a little bit about
36:11the solutions
36:12that Western civilization
36:13offers.
36:15Only Western civilization,
36:16I think,
36:16could have produced
36:17something like Bitcoin.
36:18You wouldn't get it
36:18from an Islamic civilization
36:19or something like that.
36:21And I think there is this
36:22rush to destroy
36:24Western civilization.
36:25I know a lot of your podcasts
36:26over the last several years,
36:27going back to
36:28the late 20-teens,
36:30you covered a lot
36:31about Western civilization.
36:33Is it intentionally
36:34being destroyed
36:35by certain
36:36nefarious forces?
36:37Do they want
36:38to bring us
36:39into a kind
36:40of international
36:42socialist technocracy,
36:44you know,
36:44something akin
36:44to Brave New World?
36:46What are your thoughts
36:46on all that?
36:47Is that too conspiratorial
36:48or do you think
36:48there is a plan for that?
36:50Yeah, and it's funny,
36:50you know,
36:51because people talk
36:52about the term
36:52conspiracy theory.
36:53I'm sure your listeners
36:54know that this was
36:54just invented
36:55by the CIA
36:56to discredit things.
36:57So, the term conspiracy
36:59is a very real thing.
37:01It's an actual term
37:02in law
37:03and people can be
37:04charged and convicted
37:05of a conspiracy
37:06to commit crime.
37:06So, a coordination
37:07to commit some
37:08criminal activity.
37:09So, you can't say
37:10that there's no such thing
37:11as conspiracy theories
37:12when it's literally
37:13a term in law
37:14that is used
37:15to put people away
37:16for decades.
37:16Of course, powerful people
37:18are going to coordinate
37:19their interests.
37:20I mean, is it a conspiracy
37:21if two wealthy people
37:22say let's meet
37:23at this particular place
37:25for lunch
37:25at noon on Tuesday
37:26and they show up
37:27and they, oh my gosh,
37:28of course they coordinate.
37:29I mean, just to meet up
37:30and do things
37:31they have to coordinate.
37:32So, yeah.
37:32As far as destroying
37:33the West,
37:34I would say the West,
37:36yes, in general,
37:38but in more particular,
37:40it tends to be
37:40white Christian males.
37:43And I wish it wasn't,
37:45you know,
37:45so I hate to bring race
37:46into it,
37:47but it's inescapable
37:48because as a white male,
37:50white males tend
37:50to be small government
37:52while white males
37:53tend to be free market.
37:54And white males
37:54in particular
37:55tend to be free speech,
37:57which is really
37:58the absolute treasure
37:59of the West
38:00all the way back
38:01from John Milton
38:02writing Areopagitica,
38:03the first robust,
38:04full-throated defense
38:05of free speech
38:06in the 17th century.
38:07We have been working
38:08to develop free speech,
38:09currently, of course,
38:10under complete destruction
38:12in Britain,
38:14which has like 80 times
38:15the conviction rates
38:16than Soviet Russia does
38:18for, oh sorry,
38:18than Russia does
38:19for speech.
38:20So, white males
38:22in particular,
38:23you throw in
38:24the spicy Christian sauce
38:25and you get
38:26the most robust
38:27opposition to communism.
38:28Communism and Christianity
38:30have been opposing forces
38:32really since the mid-19th century
38:34when communism,
38:35which is the latest iteration
38:36of a wide variety
38:37of socialist schemes,
38:38there's a Spenumland thing
38:39that went on in England
38:40in the 16th century,
38:41which was from each
38:42according to their ability
38:43to each according
38:44to their needs,
38:45works great in the family,
38:46it's terrible in politics.
38:47And Spenumland,
38:49of course,
38:49destroyed various sections
38:51of Europe,
38:51sorry, of England
38:52in terms of economic productivity
38:55for hundreds of years
38:56in the same way
38:57that the mass inflation
38:58of the gold
38:58coming in to Spain
39:00from the New World
39:00destroyed the Spanish economy
39:02for about 400 years
39:03because it drives
39:04all of the smart people
39:05to other places.
39:07And so,
39:09as a whole,
39:10you have a big issue
39:14with the currency undermining,
39:16you have a big issue
39:17with Christianity
39:19opposing communism
39:20because communism says
39:21that there's economic determinism
39:23and Christianity focuses
39:24on a free will
39:26in order to have
39:26moral responsibility.
39:27You have to have free will
39:28whereas, of course,
39:30communism says
39:31that everything is determined
39:33by your relationship
39:33to the means of production
39:35and you're just a big,
39:36giant, copy-paste blob
39:37of, you know,
39:38Star Trek unitard
39:40indistinguishability.
39:41And so,
39:43Christianity is under attack,
39:45of course,
39:45as an individualistic,
39:46moralistic,
39:47universalistic philosophy
39:48and morality.
39:50White males,
39:51you know,
39:51white males in particular,
39:52and I'm thinking about
39:53England,
39:56has spent
39:57a couple of hundred years
39:58killing off
39:59its most violent,
40:00its most aggressive,
40:01its most sociopathic,
40:02its most psychopathic,
40:02like 1% of the population
40:04got wiped out
40:05every year
40:06and that weeds out
40:08the crazies
40:08and weeds out
40:09the super-violence
40:10which makes for
40:11a more peaceful
40:12civilization,
40:13of course,
40:13as we're finding out,
40:14a little bit susceptible
40:15to foreign invasion.
40:17And so,
40:18yeah,
40:18there is an absolute,
40:20if you want to gain control,
40:21Christianity is in the way.
40:22If you want to gain control,
40:23white males
40:23are in the way.
40:25So,
40:25of course,
40:25what do you see
40:26the most of
40:27is attacks
40:28upon white males.
40:30We are designed
40:32to be excluded
40:32from the economy.
40:33We are designed
40:34to be excluded
40:35from higher education.
40:36And,
40:37of course,
40:37excluding people
40:37from the economy
40:38and from higher education
40:39keeps us out
40:40of the seas of influence.
40:41We are excluded
40:41from the arts.
40:42There hasn't been
40:43a white male
40:44short story publication
40:46in some magazines
40:47for well over
40:4820 or 30 years.
40:50And so,
40:50keeping us out
40:51of the arts,
40:52keeping us out
40:53of the economy,
40:54if we can't get jobs
40:55because of
40:55DEI hiring requirements,
40:57you can't
40:57found families,
40:58you can't pay
40:59for families,
41:00which reduces
41:00the birth rate.
41:01So,
41:01yeah,
41:02it absolutely
41:02is a soft
41:03attack
41:04upon the continuation.
41:05As you know,
41:07white people
41:08a little over
41:09100 years ago
41:09were like 30-40%
41:11of the world population
41:11and now
41:13the number
41:14of white women
41:15of childbearing age
41:16are 2%
41:17of the world's population
41:18and half of those
41:19are going to remain
41:20single,
41:21so we're really
41:21down to 1%.
41:22It's an absolute
41:23catastrophe
41:25because if we value
41:26diversity,
41:26we shouldn't be
41:27diminishing
41:28any particular race
41:30in these artificial ways.
41:31So,
41:32yeah,
41:32it's a huge issue
41:34and the only thing
41:35that I can say
41:36is that it
41:37will encourage
41:38people to move
41:40more towards
41:40entrepreneurship
41:41and of course
41:42I've been encouraging
41:43all my listeners
41:43to look into
41:45Bitcoin
41:46and to become
41:47entrepreneurial
41:47and I've given
41:48lots of advice
41:49about all of that
41:50sort of stuff.
41:51But yeah,
41:51I mean,
41:51I think it's
41:52indisputable
41:52when you see
41:53the numbers
41:53declining
41:54and,
41:55you know,
41:55they say,
41:55oh,
41:56institutional racism,
41:56it's like,
41:57well,
41:58yeah,
41:58I mean,
41:58you don't need
41:59to make it up.
41:59The institutional
42:00racism is very
42:01clear.
42:02Don't hire
42:02white males
42:04in particular
42:04and if you fire them,
42:06never rehire them
42:06and that is
42:08very foundational
42:09to family formation,
42:11the continuation
42:12of European
42:13culture
42:14and,
42:14yeah,
42:15I mean,
42:15there is no question
42:16that we're in the way
42:17of what they
42:18want to do
42:19and unfortunately
42:20a lot of people
42:21are siding
42:23against
42:23whites and white males
42:24and the only thing
42:26I can say is
42:27if you get your way,
42:29boy,
42:30you'll miss us
42:30when we're gone
42:31because things get
42:31very bad
42:34It's going to be
42:34a very brutal
42:35situation
42:36where,
42:37you know,
42:38your local
42:39imam
42:40is telling you
42:41a much more
42:43top-down
42:44type of structure
42:45versus what you had
42:46when you had
42:47more liberty
42:48under Christianity.
42:50I want to ask you
42:51about feminism too
42:52because I know
42:53you've critiqued
42:54feminism for a long time.
42:56In fact,
42:56some of your
42:57first things
42:58that I heard
42:59from you
42:59back in the day
43:00were critiques
43:00of feminism
43:01which kind of
43:01opened my eyes
43:02to,
43:02wait a minute,
43:03I was seeing
43:03this in my
43:04university classes,
43:05you know,
43:05this anti-white male
43:09ideology being
43:10sort of browbeaten
43:11into the students
43:12by all the professors,
43:13male and female.
43:15How does feminism
43:16fit into this?
43:17Why is it so
43:17integral and crucial
43:18to this,
43:19you know,
43:20socialist technocracy
43:21that they want?
43:22Well, I mean,
43:23feminism is not
43:24about equality.
43:25Feminism is
43:26female supremacy
43:27because there's
43:27no limit
43:28at which women
43:29say there's
43:30too many of us,
43:30we need to
43:31bring more men
43:31back in like
43:3260-70%
43:33of undergraduate
43:34students are
43:34women and
43:35nobody's saying,
43:36whoa, whoa,
43:36we went too far,
43:37right?
43:37So it's just
43:37female supremacy,
43:38there's no top
43:40to it and it
43:40has nothing to do
43:41with female
43:42happiness for sure
43:43because as
43:43feminism has
43:44advanced,
43:44female happiness
43:45has declined
43:46significantly.
43:47Feminism
43:48fundamentally is
43:49about one thing
43:49and one thing
43:50only,
43:50which is that
43:51women who get
43:52married want
43:52smaller government.
43:53This is very
43:54statistically true
43:55across the West
43:56as a whole
43:56because when
43:57women get
43:58married and
43:58particularly if
43:59they stay
43:59home,
44:00then they want
44:02the government
44:03to tax their
44:03men less so
44:05that they have
44:05more family
44:05income and
44:06they can then
44:06provide a lot
44:07of the services
44:08that the government
44:08provides in their
44:09own community,
44:10a charity and
44:11support and
44:11healthcare support
44:14and so on.
44:15And so if
44:16women get married,
44:18they want smaller
44:18government and
44:19they want lower
44:20taxes.
44:20If women are
44:21single, one of
44:23the biggest voting
44:24blocks for leftism
44:25is women and
44:27of course sadly
44:27they were
44:28instrumental in
44:29the overthrow
44:29of the relatively
44:30free Iran in
44:31the late 1970s
44:32and the influx
44:33of the imams.
44:35And so if you
44:36keep women single,
44:37they want bigger
44:38and bigger government
44:39because they
44:40profit from
44:42taxation.
44:43So married women
44:44lose out their
44:44family income
44:45through taxation,
44:47single women
44:47receive government
44:49money through
44:49taxation and so
44:51if you want to
44:51grow the government
44:52you absolutely
44:53have to turn
44:54women against
44:55men because
44:56then the women
44:57will stay
44:57single and
44:58then the women
44:58feel vulnerable
44:59and they're
45:00nervous and
45:00anxious about
45:01the future
45:01and they need
45:02their healthcare
45:03and they need
45:04their artificial
45:05jobs and they
45:07need their
45:07retirement pensions
45:08and they need
45:09all of that
45:09sort of stuff.
45:10So keeping
45:11women single
45:11is foundational
45:12to growing
45:13the state.
45:14The war on
45:15the sexes or
45:16the war of
45:16women against
45:17men is
45:17foundational to
45:18the health of
45:19the state and
45:19I mean of course
45:21I'm married,
45:22I have a
45:22wonderful wife,
45:23I have a
45:23lovely daughter,
45:25I want all
45:25women to be
45:26happy and
45:26healthy and
45:27well off and
45:28the best way
45:28for them to
45:29do that is to
45:30get married and
45:31have children.
45:31That is by far
45:32the happiest
45:32metric that
45:33women can
45:34possibly achieve
45:35which is
45:35exactly what
45:35you would
45:36expect from
45:36how we've
45:37evolved as
45:37a species.
45:38We didn't
45:38evolve to
45:39create useless
45:40powerpoints,
45:41we evolved to
45:42create wonderful
45:42human beings and
45:43that makes both
45:44men and women
45:45happy and of
45:46course the
45:46happier people
45:47are the less
45:47than eat the
45:48government.
45:49Yes, amazing
45:51interview, last
45:52couple seconds
45:53here, thoughts
45:54on the war
45:55with Iran, was
45:56this a war to
45:57distract from
45:58the Epstein
45:58files, was
45:59this a war
46:00because the
46:00dollar is
46:00dying, was
46:01this a war
46:02merely because
46:02Israel said
46:03so, do you
46:04have any
46:04thoughts on
46:04the Iran
46:05war before
46:05we close
46:06up?
46:06Sure, so
46:08yes, certainly
46:09it seemed almost
46:09inevitable that
46:10once crimes in
46:12high society
46:13get exposed,
46:13you go to
46:14war.
46:14When governments
46:15start running
46:16out of money,
46:17which they
46:17always do,
46:18they always
46:18go to war
46:19because people
46:20will accept
46:20restrictions in
46:21wartime that
46:22they wouldn't
46:22accept in
46:23peacetime and
46:24of course there's
46:25a lot of profit
46:26that comes off
46:27of war and I
46:28think that society
46:28is like that
46:29Indiana Jones
46:31door coming
46:31down, you
46:32got to reach
46:32in and grab
46:33the gold before
46:33it all goes
46:34to heck.
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