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Brandon Gentile from The Bitcoin Way interviews Stefan Molyneux. Stefan confronts societal censorship, exposes how fiat currency fuels conflict, and examines how parenting shapes our submission to authority. They explore Bitcoin as a vital tool for reclaiming individual freedom and unpack the pressing geopolitical tensions around Iran. Molyneux stresses the need to challenge destructive narratives.
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0:00:00 The Erasure of Voices
0:03:13 The Great War and Its Consequences
0:08:03 The Emergence of Bitcoin
0:10:32 A Modern Dark Age?
0:14:08 The State of Knowledge and Power
0:21:05 The Polarizing Nature of Ideas
0:30:44 Parenting and Political Power
0:39:34 Education and the State
0:45:30 Bitcoin and Triage Mode
0:46:15 The Shift to Podcasting
0:48:58 The Challenge of Educating the Masses
0:56:16 The Future of War and Technology
1:04:58 The Fork in the Road
1:06:54 The Battle of Ideas
1:13:30 The Role of Bitcoin in Global Politics
1:19:44 The Nature of Modern Warfare
1:24:41 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
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0:00:00 The Erasure of Voices
0:03:13 The Great War and Its Consequences
0:08:03 The Emergence of Bitcoin
0:10:32 A Modern Dark Age?
0:14:08 The State of Knowledge and Power
0:21:05 The Polarizing Nature of Ideas
0:30:44 Parenting and Political Power
0:39:34 Education and the State
0:45:30 Bitcoin and Triage Mode
0:46:15 The Shift to Podcasting
0:48:58 The Challenge of Educating the Masses
0:56:16 The Future of War and Technology
1:04:58 The Fork in the Road
1:06:54 The Battle of Ideas
1:13:30 The Role of Bitcoin in Global Politics
1:19:44 The Nature of Modern Warfare
1:24:41 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
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00:00:00Why do certain voices get erased while others get promoted everywhere?
00:00:03Today's guest is someone who built one of the largest philosophy platforms online,
00:00:07only to be completely removed from the mainstream.
00:00:10Stéphane Molyneux, founder of Freedom Main,
00:00:13has spent decades breaking down power, control, and human behavior from first principles.
00:00:17His ideas overlap heavily with the same questions that led many to Bitcoin.
00:00:22So today we're asking what's broken in society
00:00:24and why are certain people not allowed to talk about it?
00:00:27Stéphane, it is wonderful to have you here today.
00:00:30Thank you very much. I appreciate the invite.
00:00:33So you have been doing this for decades.
00:00:35I'm not totally sure, you can never be too sure,
00:00:37how much of my audience knows who you are.
00:00:41And you're one of the first people really out there to be talking,
00:00:45I'll say at a grand scale about this, online, over the internet.
00:00:51Where did this come from in your life?
00:00:53And how has this led you to the Bitcoin space?
00:00:55And I would love for you to just kind of give some of your story a little bit.
00:00:58And then we'll get into today and what's happening and how to fix these things from first principles
00:01:03and where we're at in society right now.
00:01:05Yeah, I got very interested in economics as a kid.
00:01:09Somebody gave me a big book of like all the great disasters of the 20th century.
00:01:13You know, there was the Hindenburg, there was the Titanic and so on.
00:01:16And then there was the Great Depression, which was 1929 to basically a 14-year thing
00:01:23until the start of the Second World War, basically.
00:01:25And I remember I saw these pictures.
00:01:27I was real little, maybe seven or eight.
00:01:30I don't want to sound overly precocious.
00:01:31I was a nerd in lots of ways.
00:01:33But I remember seeing these pictures of like, I was 25% unemployment.
00:01:38And it's like, I remember thinking, well, there's always something to do around the house.
00:01:43The list is never done around the house.
00:01:45There's always things to do.
00:01:47So how is it possible that people couldn't get work?
00:01:52That didn't make any sense to me.
00:01:53It's not like, you know, we finished everything that needs to be done in the country.
00:01:56You know, we can teleport.
00:01:57We can go to the moon and back in a blink.
00:02:00We can live forever.
00:02:02It's like, I just remember thinking that kind of puzzling.
00:02:05Like, okay, I understand why the Titanic sank.
00:02:07Okay, there were people who were opposed in the Federal Reserve and the iceberg.
00:02:12And then I understood why the Hindenburg is the fire and all of that.
00:02:16But I just didn't understand why so many people couldn't get work.
00:02:20That didn't really make any sense to me.
00:02:22And I remember sort of puzzling over that and trying to sort of figure that out.
00:02:26And then a friend of mine who was into the Canadian rock band Rush gave me a copy of
00:02:32The Fountainhead.
00:02:32And through that, I got into Austrian economics, von Mises and Rothbard and Hayek and so on.
00:02:40And it was like, ah, it's all about the money.
00:02:43It's all about the money.
00:02:45Now, in the personal history of my father's side, there was an enormous catastrophe for
00:02:53the world as a whole, for the British Empire, for England, and for my father's family, where
00:02:57four of the young men were killed in World War I.
00:03:01And I remember I started reading the history of World War I.
00:03:04And I was like, okay, so everyone was like, gee, I hope it's not over by Christmas, right?
00:03:09They enlisted in the fall, and they thought it's going to be a two or three month war.
00:03:13Now, why did they think it was going to be a two or three month war and it ended up
00:03:16in
00:03:16a four year plus absolute catastrophe that really marked the decline of the West in ways
00:03:22that seem very hard to reverse?
00:03:25And so when I put these sort of two things together, sort of family history of World
00:03:28War I, and then understanding Austrian or free market economics, I'm like, oh, they're
00:03:36not printing money.
00:03:37They're printing death certificates.
00:03:40That's what they're printing.
00:03:41They're not printing fiat.
00:03:43They are releasing demons to eviscerate human beings.
00:03:48And I'll sort of give you a very brief example of that.
00:03:50And then I'll let you get back to your questions.
00:03:52It's been a while since I've been interviewed, so I've got a lot to say.
00:03:56But in World War I, one of the reasons they thought it was only going to last a couple
00:04:00of months was that's all the money they had.
00:04:03Even by late 1914, you know, eight weeks, what, 10 weeks after the war started, they
00:04:08were running low on just about everything.
00:04:10And the war would have ended three months, six months at the outside, because what happens
00:04:16is one country runs out of money and then has to sue for peace, and then you get peace.
00:04:20That's the way it generally works.
00:04:22But with central banking, with fiat currency, with money printing, and with going off the
00:04:26gold standard, and with borrowing, they were able to extend this war from a couple of months
00:04:32to four plus years, raising the death count from about 800,000 people to over 22 million
00:04:41all in.
00:04:42Now, that didn't happen because people wanted to fight.
00:04:45That didn't happen because they had the money.
00:04:47That didn't happen because they were full of hatred.
00:04:50That happened for one reason and one reason only.
00:04:52Why were 21 million plus people murdered?
00:04:56And why was Western Europe destroyed and the economies destroyed and so on?
00:05:01And which, of course, as you know, World War I, as one of the French generals famously
00:05:05said with the Treaty of Versailles, said, this is not armistice, this is not the end of
00:05:11the war, this is peace for 20 years.
00:05:12And he turned out to be correct almost down to the month.
00:05:15So without World War I, you don't get World War II, World War II, 50 million killed, and
00:05:20the end of the empire, and so on.
00:05:22I'm not an imperialist, don't get me wrong.
00:05:24I'm not a big fan of the British empire, but it definitely was catastrophic for the
00:05:28British people as a whole and the Western people as a whole.
00:05:31And so all of this was set in motion by one thing and one thing only.
00:05:35Now, I'm not a single-course explanation, but this one is pretty clear.
00:05:38Without the ability to create their own money, war can't continue.
00:05:44And offensive wars can't continue.
00:05:46Because if you actually have to go to the population and say, hey, there's this country on the other
00:05:52side of the world, this is not particularly theoretical at the moment, right?
00:05:55There's this country on the other side of the world, or there's these mean guys, we really
00:05:58don't like them.
00:06:00I want you to send me a check for $20,000 to start this war and sign your kids up
00:06:06voluntarily.
00:06:06People won't do it.
00:06:07Now, if Genghis Khan is thundering over the horizon, then you're going to fight and you
00:06:12won't have any shortage of volunteers or people willing to sacrifice to defend the homeland,
00:06:16their families, and so on.
00:06:17But offensive wars absolutely require fiat currency.
00:06:21And the extension of war requires drugging the population with deferred debt.
00:06:29If you have to go, people, and beg for money every single day to continue a war, people
00:06:32are like, no, I'm not doing that.
00:06:34Stop this war and the war will wind down.
00:06:37But if you can create your own money and you can, it's like PCP, like I can take on 10
00:06:42cops, you lose reality completely.
00:06:44And so fiat currency is foundational to civilization.
00:06:48Fiat currency is foundational to peace.
00:06:50And fiat currency is far too powerful an instrument to put in the hands of anyone.
00:06:58Imagine what it would be like if you took immature people, which politicians tend to be, and you
00:07:03said, hey, you can type whatever you want into your own bank account.
00:07:06Whatever you want.
00:07:07Anything you want.
00:07:07Boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:07:08Musk was talking about this with Ted Cruz not too long ago.
00:07:12They found 14 magic money computers in the government.
00:07:14Just create money, send it out.
00:07:16Create money, send it out.
00:07:17But that ability to just create money at a whim, at a will, it's sort of like that old
00:07:23Sorcerer's Apprentice Mickey Mouse cartoon where he can't control the power.
00:07:26People cannot handle that kind of power.
00:07:28It corrupts everyone it touches.
00:07:29It corrupts entire societies.
00:07:31It destroys the birth rate, which we can get into as well.
00:07:34And so I was like, oh, gold standard, basket of commodities, oil, and, you know, we need
00:07:39some way to restrain what the government does.
00:07:42And it doesn't really work.
00:07:45Because any constraint you put on the government will be undone by the government.
00:07:48Like it took America less than 80 years after its founding to break the bonds of the Constitution
00:07:51irrevocably.
00:07:53So we need a solution that comes outside of government, outside of political power.
00:07:58So then when I first heard about Bitcoin, and I wasn't involved in any of the early discussion,
00:08:02somebody just told me about it.
00:08:04I think this was back in 2010, 2011.
00:08:06I started talking about it because I was like, ooh, really?
00:08:11A currency that is immune to political control.
00:08:17I mean, we can see this at the moment with the round in the Strait of Hormuz, right?
00:08:19That they are requiring Bitcoin because they've been locked out of SWIFT and the stable coins
00:08:24are on a theorem network are easy to block and so on.
00:08:28So a currency that is free of political control, a currency that removes relatively gently without,
00:08:36you know, some sort of mass French Revolution style beheading, some of which, of course,
00:08:41has been tempting for people throughout history, but a way to take the power of creating money,
00:08:46which is creating death and preventing life, out of the hands of people
00:08:51and put it into the hands of the free market.
00:08:55I mean, once you took the means of production from the government and slave owners
00:09:00and you put it into the hands of the people, we got the incredible wealth of the Industrial Revolution
00:09:04and everything that followed after that.
00:09:06All of this technology allows you and I to chat, but we never would have met each other in the
00:09:09past.
00:09:10And if we can do to currency what was done to the means of production through the Industrial Revolution
00:09:16or what was done to the land through the Agricultural Revolution, the enclosure movement,
00:09:22the amount of human wealth that we could produce is incomprehensible to us.
00:09:27In the same way that the wealth that we have now would be incomprehensible to somebody in the 15th century,
00:09:32the technology, the medicine, the science, the knowledge, the understanding, the physics, the, you know, communications.
00:09:38And so we are on the verge, if we can get Bitcoin promoted and adopted,
00:09:44of ending the hegemony of political power and the disassembly of human beings
00:09:48through typing money into your own bank account forever and ever, amen.
00:09:53And I really can't think of a better mission to have in this life.
00:09:56Yeah, yeah, I could not either.
00:10:00And it's fine, I was telling you offline, like that's why I'm here.
00:10:02You kind of see all these problems come together and you realize this is the greatest mission
00:10:07you could be on, ripping the power away from the money changers.
00:10:11You made me think of so many things, by the way.
00:10:12I love the rants.
00:10:13That's what we're here for.
00:10:14That's what the viewer is here for.
00:10:15So feel free to 10 minutes straight, 15 minutes straight, let it all out.
00:10:19Because you're one of the few that have really, you know, just over time,
00:10:24put it in the proof of work for a Bitcoiner term, right?
00:10:27And so you deserve that honor to be able to talk as long as you need.
00:10:32Do you think, so there's a bunch of questions you made me think of.
00:10:35And do you think we're in a modern dark age?
00:10:38Like I've been making this argument recently that with the amount of killing since 1913,
00:10:42since the central banks, you know, all this stuff, World War I,
00:10:45feeling like World War I almost never ended in a way,
00:10:48which is maybe another question where we're kind of still living in that,
00:10:50where we had the plane, train, automobile, electricity, like all these things, right?
00:10:54For a hundred years, 200 years, we were finding all these inventions and creating things,
00:10:58discovering things.
00:10:58And then the last hundred years or so, since the total, you know,
00:11:03central banking and total war, it's just been death.
00:11:05You know, it's been abortions, killing people, like killing ourselves,
00:11:09the MAID program in Canada, like all these things where we've just iterated like better
00:11:12mousetraps, but there isn't a bunch of invention all of a sudden.
00:11:16And I think, I feel like people are going to look back 100, 200 years from now and be like,
00:11:19wow, that was a modern dark age.
00:11:20Like, what were you doing with these death coupons you guys were dealing with?
00:11:23You know, does it feel like that to you at the end of the day?
00:11:27It's interesting.
00:11:28It's a good way to, it's a good way to put it.
00:11:30I would say when I was a teenager, I went gliding.
00:11:34You know, if you go gliding, you get pulled up by an airplane, you don't have an engine.
00:11:39And it was a wild thing.
00:11:40I didn't fly it.
00:11:41It was somebody else who was flying it.
00:11:42But I remember when the cable was released, it was so quiet.
00:11:47Because normally you're in a plane, engines, whatever it is.
00:11:50And I remember it just being so quiet and beautiful.
00:11:53The sun and the, you know, the arc of the sky and the clouds and so on.
00:11:57And it was so whisper quiet, whisper quiet.
00:12:00And I remember the guy who was flying it said, well, there's only one way from here.
00:12:06And that's down, right?
00:12:07Because we didn't have any motive power of our own.
00:12:10And so, you know, we stayed up for a while, 20 minutes, half an hour.
00:12:13And, you know, we did dives.
00:12:14But we had no motive power of our own.
00:12:17The only thing that we could do was go down.
00:12:21Now, the way that I sort of view it is we had freedom in the past.
00:12:24And that has pulled us up.
00:12:25Like the airplane pulled up the glider.
00:12:27And then the fiat currency, World War I, kind of cut that cord.
00:12:31And we've had a lot of energy.
00:12:32We got pulled pretty high.
00:12:33So we've got a lot of trajectory.
00:12:35We've got a lot of momentum.
00:12:36We've got a lot of ascension.
00:12:38But we don't have any motive power of our own.
00:12:41And it's the same thing in science.
00:12:43When was the last great advancement in physics?
00:12:46No, it's all non-reproducible lies and politics.
00:12:50And you can't talk about this.
00:12:51You can't talk about that.
00:12:52And global warming is going to drown us all.
00:12:54It's all paranoid, fear-mongering nonsense for the most part.
00:12:59And, you know, when was our last Shakespeare?
00:13:01When was our last Newton?
00:13:03When was our last Einstein?
00:13:04I mean, what did we get?
00:13:07Neil deGrasse Tyson.
00:13:09He's a complete idiot.
00:13:11He's a court jester.
00:13:11So we had a lot of momentum that got us up to a great height.
00:13:19And I think since then, we've kind of been circling the drain.
00:13:23And the problem is, of course, that everything now goes through the lens of political power.
00:13:30Art goes through the lens of political power.
00:13:34Science goes through the lens of political power.
00:13:36Biology goes through the lens of political power.
00:13:38Many years ago, I interviewed 17 world-renowned experts in the field of human IQ, which is not allowed.
00:13:44I mean, the guy who co-discovered DNA, James Watson, he was canceled for talking about ethnic differences in IQ.
00:13:54Now, this guy was one of the foremost cancer researchers of her age.
00:13:58So people will literally choose to die of cancer than talk about forbidden topics, and we think that we're beyond
00:14:05blasphemy laws, heresy laws, and so on.
00:14:07So optimism, enthusiasm, excitement, a sense of man's potential to grasp and surmount the limitations of the material world is
00:14:16essential to human progress.
00:14:17We had a lot of that in the 19th century, the optimism of the 19th century that all problems could
00:14:22be solved and human reason could spread everywhere was destroyed by a wide variety of things.
00:14:27Of course, World War I being primarily one of them.
00:14:30And the other thing, too, of course, every society seems to contain within it, as long as it's based around
00:14:35a centralized, coercive institution like the state, always comes to its own destruction.
00:14:39Because you have a lot of freedom that generates a lot of wealth, generating a lot of wealth generates a
00:14:44lot of inequality.
00:14:45And when you get this inequality, then the people who don't have as much, even though they had much more
00:14:50than their forefathers, they don't have as much as the wealthy guys.
00:14:53So then the communists and the sophists and the socialists come in and start saying to all the poor people,
00:14:58hey, man, the only reason you're poor is because that rich guy stole from your fathers and stole from your
00:15:04ancestors and that's your house and that's supposed to be your wife.
00:15:08And they just rouse up and then they vote to take away all the property of the rich and then
00:15:12everyone gets poor again.
00:15:14And so as long as you have the state, wealth is not used to improve society in the long run.
00:15:21Wealth is used to buy votes and wealth in particular through fiat currency and money printing and debt.
00:15:26Wealth is used to bribe the population, the future productivity of the population, the children and their future taxes being
00:15:33used as an asset, being used as an asset that you can borrow against.
00:15:40And so wealth breeds poverty as long as we have this centralized coercive power and the way that we can
00:15:48begin to push back really against a centralized coercive power is through private money.
00:15:53If money is socialized, socialism is inevitable.
00:15:56Well, money and education, if education is socialized.
00:15:59But even the socialization of education relies on fiat currency because if you sent a bill to every parent for
00:16:04the true cost of their child's education and you gave the option for them to opt out, it would, you
00:16:09know, disappear in about 18 minutes.
00:16:11So it really all just comes back to the ability of the government to create its money, which produces a
00:16:17psychosis.
00:16:19And I'm not kidding about this.
00:16:20It produces a psychosis.
00:16:21You know, before this interview, I was thinking, you know, what's one of the sort of the key things that
00:16:25ascending civilization have?
00:16:27And it's pragmatism.
00:16:28It's a dedication to reality.
00:16:31It is a sensible empiricism of relying on the evidence of the senses, understanding that human reason is perfectly adequate,
00:16:39in fact, necessary to understand the world.
00:16:41Grounding facts, reason, evidence and pragmatism.
00:16:45And then late stage societies get detached from reality.
00:16:49And one of the ways they get detached from reality is through fiat currency, because fiat currency detaches us from
00:16:56cause and effect.
00:16:57Fiat currency detaches us from math, from basic numbers.
00:17:02Fiat currency allows you to have the illusion that you can consume without producing, simply based on debt and inflation.
00:17:07And fiat currency dissolves the bonds between the generations.
00:17:11Like, there was a recent report that came out that people 65 and older in America get $44,000 a
00:17:19year in government funding, whereas those 16 or 18 and under get about $4,000 a year.
00:17:24So it is more than 10 times, 11 times, I suppose, the amount of money goes to the age it
00:17:29is to the young.
00:17:30That is a vampiric civilization, and the bond between the generations gets broken.
00:17:34And so it is one of these really insidious, not one person in a thousand knows what's going on.
00:17:41And people, what do they do?
00:17:42They go to the grocery store and say, oh, man, it's eight bucks for a box of cereal.
00:17:47And it's like, well, they're ripping us off.
00:17:50They're just raising prices.
00:17:51They're gouging us.
00:17:52It's like, no.
00:17:52No, if you have 20 oranges in circulation and you have $20, each orange is going to cost a dollar.
00:17:58If you have 20 oranges in circulation and you have $40, then each orange is going to cost $2.
00:18:04Nobody's ripping you off.
00:18:05It's just that you're diluting the money.
00:18:06I look at the late Roman Empire of a big presentation called The Truth About the Fall of Rome, and
00:18:10what did they do?
00:18:12They borrowed and they did the equivalent of money printing back in the day, which was to
00:18:16mix all kinds of garbage metals into the silver and gold and even down into the copper, and
00:18:21they just diluted their money supply.
00:18:23So then you get all this money, which is not represented by any actual increase in productivity.
00:18:28They're counterfeiters.
00:18:29They're counterfeiters.
00:18:31Counterfeiting destroys currency.
00:18:33Currency is the lifeblood of civilization, and it drives people mad to have that much
00:18:39power, and it drives people mad that things keep shifting around them in ways that they
00:18:43can't possibly understand.
00:18:45Why is the price of everything going up?
00:18:47Well, because 40% of the US dollars were printed COVID enough that ever existed, not just in
00:18:52the present, that ever existed.
00:18:53And so naturally, that is going to create, like, why is it so slow to get into the nightclub?
00:18:58Because there's a big lineup, right?
00:19:01That's what's happened.
00:19:02And so people don't understand it.
00:19:04They're confused.
00:19:05They're frustrated.
00:19:05They're angry.
00:19:06And that's very easy for sophists to come along and manipulate them and say, oh, it's
00:19:11the greedy capitalists.
00:19:12It's the property owners.
00:19:13It's Elon Musk.
00:19:14It's the rich.
00:19:14It's the this or that.
00:19:15And governments love that because governments reap all the power, and the blame goes to
00:19:20the shopkeepers and the wealthy people who are still trying to produce things in an increasingly
00:19:24hyper-regulated system.
00:19:25And it's easy to turn people's resentment against those fellow slaves trying to survive
00:19:30because they have slightly more cotton on their bodies and slightly more gold in their
00:19:36pockets, rather than the people who are the actual villains, who are the money creators,
00:19:40the money printers, and, you know, the money changers, as Jesus sort of famously pointed
00:19:45out, and that's always struck me in the Bible as one of the most accurate stories, that Jesus
00:19:49was incredibly peaceful for the most part and counseled forgiveness and peace and love
00:19:53your enemies, except once when he came to the corrupt money changers.
00:19:59And then he brought out the whip, and that was something.
00:20:05Yeah, I could not agree more, Stefan.
00:20:09So, I want to go back into times we didn't touch on it in the beginning at all, and I
00:20:14think
00:20:14this is important for the viewer, too.
00:20:16Before we get into it, I want to talk about, you know, separating money and state, separating
00:20:19education and state, and the birth rate, what's going on, also just current day with Iran and
00:20:24some of the, you know, the mirrors to World War I, some of the things.
00:20:28So, we'll get into that in a minute.
00:20:29However, why were you, just for people who don't know, again, you've been doing this for
00:20:34a long time.
00:20:35There's probably some people watching that you've been doing this longer than they've been
00:20:38born, potentially, fighting for freedom, you know, liberty, sovereignty, individual
00:20:43freedom.
00:20:43So, you've been canceled over the years, you've been derided, you've been, you know,
00:20:48you know, just the globalists.
00:20:50I don't know what to say necessarily, how to characterize it, but people coming after
00:20:53you.
00:20:54So, I think it's important for the average person, because they might go do research
00:20:56after this, too, and say, oh, this guy, I wonder what, you know, from your own mouth,
00:21:01you know, what was so polarizing about Stefano, what you've been saying over the years?
00:21:06Because the first, you know, 20 minutes or whatever, it's like, okay, this makes a lot of
00:21:09sense, right, to the average person.
00:21:10So, how could this guy be so polarizing, how could he be canceled?
00:21:13So, I'd love your thoughts on, how have you been so derided over the years?
00:21:16Gosh, where do I, how do I narrow it down?
00:21:18If I could only get it down to one or two topics, I might have had a smoother ride through
00:21:22the last couple of years.
00:21:24Well, so, it started way back in the day.
00:21:27So, I started my show in 2005.
00:21:30So, that's 21 years.
00:21:31Now, before that, I was, again, mid-teens to mid-30s.
00:21:34So, I've been doing this for 45 years, this sort of philosophy and reason and evidence
00:21:39stuff.
00:21:40And generally, you get canceled when you make a difference.
00:21:44You get canceled when you move the needle.
00:21:46If you're just, oh, the Federal Reserve is terrible.
00:21:49Boy, wouldn't it be great if we had the, okay, that's fine.
00:21:52You can say all of that because you're not changing anything.
00:21:56And if you talk about rent control is really bad and you get, well, you know, maybe, maybe
00:22:01just, you know, in half a generation, people might vote differently, but it's not really
00:22:05cause and effect.
00:22:06And you're not actually interfering with the practical goals of any evildoers in the moment.
00:22:12This is why you have what's called free speech.
00:22:15Free speech is say whatever you want as long as it doesn't actually change anything.
00:22:20Boy, the moment you change things, they're not so good.
00:22:24And this is, of course, what happened to Socrates, happened to Plato, happened to Aristotle, happened
00:22:28to, I mean, it's the general lot of philosophers throughout society.
00:22:32And this is why Plato went really abstract, because he saw what happened to Socrates, who
00:22:36was very practical.
00:22:37Socrates was charged with two things, of course, at the end of his life, not believing in the
00:22:41gods of the city and corrupting the youth.
00:22:44And by corrupting the youth, they basically meant encouraging the youth to ask uncomfortable
00:22:48questions of the aged, which they don't have answers for.
00:22:52So what happened was, in ancient Athens, the young men who were very keen about Socrates
00:22:57enjoyed going to their teachers, their elders, their fathers, their priests, their politicians
00:23:01asking uncomfortable questions.
00:23:03And that was bad for the people who are sophists who claim to know things that they don't know
00:23:09and claim that they're moral authorities when they do great evils.
00:23:12So that's kind of the deal.
00:23:13So one of the things that happened early on is the non-aggression principle is very, very
00:23:20key to basic morality.
00:23:22The non-aggression principle says self-defense is great.
00:23:25You know, if somebody's running at you with a chainsaw and you've got a machine gun,
00:23:28them down, I will never, ever have any problem with that.
00:23:33That seems a perfectly sensible thing.
00:23:34So it's not pacifism.
00:23:35The non-aggression principle says you can't initiate the use of force.
00:23:39Like, I can punch you back.
00:23:40I just can't come up and punch you, that kind of thing, right?
00:23:43So you can even take property back that's been stolen from you and so on.
00:23:47But the non-aggression principle was interesting.
00:23:49Now, I had spent many, many years.
00:23:51I went, I started out in the arts.
00:23:53I was an actor and playwright at the National Theatre School in Canada for a couple of years.
00:23:57And then I did academia.
00:23:59I got a graduate degree in history and history of philosophy.
00:24:02And then I went into the business world.
00:24:05Like yourself, you mentioned earlier, before we started the show, you graduated into a recession.
00:24:10So did I.
00:24:10And there was really nothing going on.
00:24:12And so I co-founded a software company and grew it.
00:24:15And I became sort of very pragmatic.
00:24:16It's one thing to study the free market.
00:24:18It's quite another thing to have your entire life savings and massive debts dependent upon
00:24:22making good decisions in what's left of the free market.
00:24:26So I became sort of very pragmatic in the business world.
00:24:29I was chief technical officer and director of marketing.
00:24:32I did a lot of sales and so on.
00:24:33So sort of out there in the world.
00:24:34So I got used to having very practical and pragmatic answers.
00:24:38So when I started to gain some traction in the realm of public philosophy, I said to myself,
00:24:46okay, so the non-aggression principle is what I want the most.
00:24:51And you have to approach it as a blank slate.
00:24:53In the same thing with business, you have to approach things with a blank slate.
00:24:56Like preconceptions cost you everything.
00:24:59So I said, okay, so if I am really interested in the expansion of the non-aggression principle,
00:25:06what is the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle that I can do the most about?
00:25:12Ah, I see that second one is the key, right?
00:25:14You just had a rant about fiat currency.
00:25:17Yes, fiat currency is the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle because it is
00:25:21through fiat currency that almost all other violations spring.
00:25:24But I can't do anything about it.
00:25:26I'm going to chain myself to the Federal Reserve and get dragged off and people will be like,
00:25:30who's that crazy guy ranting about and made up money and whatever, monopoly money.
00:25:34So I had to say to myself, what is the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle
00:25:39that I can do the most about?
00:25:42Not that hard to figure out.
00:25:44It's hitting children.
00:25:45Hitting children is the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle that I can
00:25:50do the most about.
00:25:51I can't stop the Federal Reserve.
00:25:52I can't stop war.
00:25:54I can't stop money printing.
00:25:55I can't stop debt.
00:25:56I can't stop politics.
00:25:57But what I can do is I can say to people, spanking is the biggest violation of the non-aggression
00:26:04principle that you can do the most about.
00:26:06You can convince people.
00:26:07You can't convince people to stop using fiat currency.
00:26:10You can't convince people to not take things for free from the government.
00:26:14I mean, imagine standing in front of a convenience store and someone comes up and says, hey,
00:26:18man, I won the lottery for five million dollars.
00:26:20And you say, you know, you really shouldn't cash that in because that's just made up money
00:26:26and it's going to cause a tiny bit of inflation across the rest of the economy.
00:26:30They'll be like, get out of the way, baldy.
00:26:32I'm going in to cash my check.
00:26:34And so they're in.
00:26:35And so you can't talk people out of taking stuff for free from the government.
00:26:39You can't talk people out of using fiat currency.
00:26:41You can't talk the government out of giving up fiat currency or debt or unfunded liabilities
00:26:44or all of this nonsense.
00:26:46So the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle that you can do the most about.
00:26:51Well, in America, 80 plus percent of families spank.
00:26:56It was even higher before I started.
00:26:58And we're not just talking a light swat to the butt.
00:27:00I mean, like a lot of them spank with implements like belts and rolling pins and shoes and
00:27:06like just brutal, brutal stuff.
00:27:08There's circumcision, which is definitely a violation of the non-aggression principle,
00:27:11genital mutilation for no medical gain, of course.
00:27:15And so I began to work on that.
00:27:18I wrote a libertarian essay, The Case Against Spanking, and said, well, spanking can't be
00:27:23self-defense.
00:27:24It's not like the child's coming at you with the aforementioned chainsaw.
00:27:26So I began to talk about that.
00:27:29Now, I'm a voluntarist, which means that all forced associations are violations of freedom
00:27:36of association.
00:27:37Like we kind of understand that.
00:27:38Like if a woman is forced to marry a guy, it's not a marriage.
00:27:40It's just legalized sex enslavement.
00:27:42And so I began to really promote anti-child abuse, anti-spanking in libertarian circles,
00:27:51which seemed like a good thing to do.
00:27:53I was aware that there might be a little bit of pushback, but then I thought the libertarians
00:27:59would be like, wow, that's true.
00:28:02This is something we can really do something about, rather than just railing against things
00:28:06that you can't change.
00:28:08I mean, the amount of intellectual energy that's been poured by libertarians into
00:28:10imposing violations of the non-aggression principle has gone nowhere.
00:28:15So I thought, and also, you know, I made a big case that if we raise children reasonably,
00:28:20then they won't feel the need to have a big centralized, violent political entity at the
00:28:25center of society.
00:28:26Because people's belief in the necessity of the state and its coercion comes from their
00:28:30belief that it was necessary for them to be violently aggressed against as children.
00:28:35You know, the parents of the state and so on.
00:28:38And so I said, people's relationship to the government comes out of their relationship
00:28:42to their parents, right?
00:28:44So people think, oh, just the government has a bunch of money and it just kind of comes
00:28:47out of nowhere and they just spend it and stuff.
00:28:49And that's a child's view of the parents' finances.
00:28:51You know, the stuff happens and there's money floating around and so on.
00:28:54And also parents say to kids, without the violence that I initiate against you, all will be chaos
00:28:59and destruction.
00:29:00And so then you say, oh, without the government, all will be a Mad Max Thunderdome of chaos and destruction
00:29:05and so on.
00:29:05And so if you kind of drill back down through people's perceptions of the state and the
00:29:10statism, it really comes down to parents and teachers and priests and authority figures.
00:29:14So if you change how children are parented, you change their view of political power.
00:29:19In other words, if children flourish in the absence of violence, at the initiation of violence,
00:29:26then they grow up to at least be open to the idea that society can flourish in the absence
00:29:31of centralized political violence.
00:29:34Whereas if people are told and grow up with the absolute belief and necessity that violence
00:29:38must be used against children, they will say, well, geez, we need a government because
00:29:41governments are like parents and the people are like children.
00:29:44Without the violence of the parents, everyone will run amok and so on.
00:29:47And so it seemed to me a pretty good plan, a multi-generational plan, but a pretty good
00:29:52plan.
00:29:52It seemed to be the most practical.
00:29:53Plus, I'm a measurable guy.
00:29:56You know, I mean, when I was in the business world, if I'd have said, well, my business plan,
00:30:01my business plan C is we're going to make a bunch of money by harvesting gold on asteroids.
00:30:08People would say, wait, what was that?
00:30:11So I go back to that last PowerPoint slide where infinite profits accrue from mining gold
00:30:15and asteroids.
00:30:16And I said, look, we know that there's gold on asteroids, man.
00:30:20We know it.
00:30:20We can tell from the spectrometers.
00:30:22There's gold on asteroids.
00:30:23And if we mine it, we'll make a fortune.
00:30:26And people will say, well, it's true.
00:30:29Yes, it's true that there's gold on asteroids.
00:30:31It is not true that we can mine it next year.
00:30:33We can't do anything about it, although it's nice if we could, but we can't.
00:30:38And that to me was the same as railing against the Fed or government of politics or war without
00:30:44talking about parenting.
00:30:45And so I did a sort of back of the napkin calculation.
00:30:47I said I interviewed subject matter experts on spanking, the professors and psychologists
00:30:52about the negative effects.
00:30:53I went through the medical case.
00:30:54I wrote a whole book called Peaceful Parenting at PeacefulParenting.com, which is the theory
00:30:59of it, the practice of it, and then the science behind it with all of the scientific references
00:31:03as to why peaceful parenting is the way to go and how it's the only way we have a chance
00:31:07of building a peaceful society in the future.
00:31:10I mean, it complements Bitcoin for reasons we can get into.
00:31:13So I sort of made this case.
00:31:15And then people said, OK, so my parents hit me and that was bad.
00:31:21And I said, listen, you should go talk to them about it.
00:31:23But I'm a big one for honesty in relationships.
00:31:26You know, it's kind of the big deal.
00:31:27If you're a philosopher, you've got to value truth and honesty.
00:31:29Otherwise, you're just a masochist who likes getting canceled.
00:31:33So I said, if you have a problem with your parents, you should go talk to your parents.
00:31:38I said, well, I'm going to go talk to my parents.
00:31:40And they've doubled down.
00:31:41They say I was a bad kid.
00:31:42I should have been beaten.
00:31:43They did the right thing.
00:31:44Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:31:44And I said, well, if they're unrepentant evildoers, you don't have to spend time with them.
00:31:49And it's funny because this to me, this was an idiot move of my part.
00:31:54Not because I did it, but because I didn't understand the consequences.
00:31:57Because see, the way that you gave me permission to answer.
00:32:00So the way that I was raised was under feminism, right?
00:32:04So I was raised in 70s and 80s under feminism.
00:32:06And feminism was everywhere when I was a kid.
00:32:09And because I was raised by a single mom, so all her friends were divorced and so on.
00:32:14And the feminism was, you just have to be kind of dissatisfied and you should leave your husband.
00:32:21Like if you're just not fulfilled 24-7, if you're not over the moon and happy,
00:32:25if you're just kind of bored, if you're just kind of, you know,
00:32:28because the number one cause for divorce is not abuse or alcoholism or other addictions
00:32:33or monetary desertion or anything like that.
00:32:36It's dissatisfaction.
00:32:38Eh, you know, just kind of dissatisfied.
00:32:40So I was like, okay, so you can leave relationships if you're just dissatisfied.
00:32:47Now, you should leave relationships if you're aggressed against,
00:32:50if the husband's beating you or whatever it is, right?
00:32:52There was no such thing as the wife beating the husband that wasn't even conceived of back then.
00:32:56I had an activist, Erin Pizzi, on years ago who opened the first men's shelter
00:33:00and she got firebombed and had to flee the country because she tried to give some sympathy for men,
00:33:04which was also quite instructive back in the day.
00:33:06Okay, so I was like, okay, so I was raised that you don't have to be in relationships
00:33:10that you're just dissatisfied about and if people have done great evil,
00:33:15you probably shouldn't be in those relationships at all.
00:33:17So that's the way I was raised and these are relationships you chose.
00:33:20You choose your husband, your wife.
00:33:23You don't choose your parents.
00:33:25You're just kind of born into it, right?
00:33:26So I said, okay, well, you don't have to, you know, I have to spend time with abusive parents.
00:33:31If they remain abusive, they won't admit any fault and they double down and say that you should have been
00:33:35beaten.
00:33:35I mean, that's not very good.
00:33:37That's not productive.
00:33:37And if you have corrupt people and evildoers in your life, it's a strange moat and it keeps good people
00:33:43away from you
00:33:43because good people are like, ooh, that doesn't feel good.
00:33:46That doesn't smell good.
00:33:46There's something kind of rotten here.
00:33:47And I don't want to particularly dissent to that layer of Dantean hell.
00:33:52So, yeah, so that was the first sort of advice and it seemed to me in perfect congruence with everything
00:33:58that I've been raised with
00:33:59because I was naive or perhaps I was wise, but part of my brain was keeping the consequences from me
00:34:04in order to get the idea out.
00:34:05I'll never know for sure.
00:34:07And then what happened was a bunch of people ended up stopping seeing their relentlessly abusive parents.
00:34:14And those parents then went to the media and said, oh, my God.
00:34:18This evil, bald, blue-eyed bastard is running a family separation cult.
00:34:24And it's like, I love families.
00:34:25I have a family.
00:34:26I have a wife.
00:34:27I have a child.
00:34:28Families are great.
00:34:29You know, friends are great unless they beat you up repeatedly, in which case they're probably not really friends to
00:34:34you.
00:34:34So that was sort of the first round and, you know, evil cult leader destroying families for fun and profit
00:34:39and so on.
00:34:41Even though I was simply encouraging people.
00:34:43I always had a three-step thing, right?
00:34:44Number one, if your parents were abusive, go talk to them and try to have a chance to work it
00:34:52out.
00:34:52And then if it doesn't work out, you can consider family separation.
00:34:56I never told anyone to leave their families.
00:34:57And I said, please engage with a competent therapist to go through this process because it's a very difficult thing
00:35:02and kind of hard to understand for a lot of people.
00:35:04Now it's a very common topic.
00:35:06Going no contact is all over the media.
00:35:08It's talked about without any particular shock or horror, which is kind of the way that things go.
00:35:13Like, the first person to really popularize the idea of the voluntary family is an evil guy.
00:35:19And now it's just like, it could be good for your mental health.
00:35:21Even on Dr. Phil's website, you know, it could be good for your mental health to get away from abusive
00:35:25parents, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:26So, of course, nobody ever goes back and says, ooh, sorry about all of those slings and arrows of outrageous
00:35:30insults.
00:35:31So, I mean, that's the deal.
00:35:33You kind of know that.
00:35:34The guy who said maybe it would be a good idea to wash your hands before doing surgeries on people,
00:35:39he was marked and driven out of the profession and ended up being beaten to death in an insane asylum
00:35:44because they considered him crazy for suggesting it.
00:35:47So, yeah, that was sort of the first round.
00:35:49And then the second round was I got interested, particularly interested in U.S. politics around the time of Trump
00:35:57coming down the escalator because I'd been lied about a lot by the media and I saw the same thing
00:36:02happening with Trump.
00:36:03So, I was like, ah, okay, so this is a good way to discredit the media.
00:36:08So, I did a whole series of shows and presentations called The Untruths About Donald Trump where I took all
00:36:15of the lies the media was telling about him and got rid of them.
00:36:19And he's got millions and millions of views and so on.
00:36:21And so, I moved the needle with regards to people escaping evildoers within the family and maybe I had some
00:36:29minor effect on the 2016 election, not intentionally, but just because I wanted to be honest about how false the
00:36:36media was.
00:36:38And so, when 2020 came around, I don't think they wanted me doing much in the public square, in the
00:36:46public sphere because they very much, the left very much wanted that election.
00:36:50And, I mean, Biden was not a particularly enthralling candidate and he certainly had his own skeletons in the closet,
00:36:56as you could tell from the, you know, the Hunter Biden laptop from hell, the Burisma stuff in Ukraine and,
00:37:02you know, all of this just hideous stuff that goes on, let alone the diary.
00:37:05Like, all the hideous stuff that goes on around that family.
00:37:08And so, I was in, before the election, I'd also been critical of the, it came from a pangolin nonsense
00:37:18about the COVID.
00:37:19I did a show called The Case Against China, which was saying, of course, it came from the lab.
00:37:23Of course, it came from the lab.
00:37:24And they had to say it came from nature because they couldn't get the lockdowns without it, right?
00:37:31They couldn't get COVID lockdowns without saying it came from nature.
00:37:33Because if it was engineered in a lab to specifically infect human beings, they can't get the lockdown.
00:37:39Because the lockdown is there to slow the spread.
00:37:41Because the more it spreads, the more it's likely to adapt to human beings and be better at infecting human
00:37:45beings.
00:37:46But if it's already perfect at infecting human beings, there's no point having a lockdown.
00:37:49You might as well just let it run through the population and give everyone natural immunity that way.
00:37:53So, they had to go push back very hard against the lab leak hypothesis, which was considered, I don't know,
00:38:00racist.
00:38:01Usually, there's an R word in there, retarded, racist, something like that.
00:38:05So, there was a whole, I think, a sort of perfect storm.
00:38:08And I'd also talked about a pretty forbidden topic that I mentioned earlier, which was ethnic differences in IQ as
00:38:14a whole between various genetic populations,
00:38:16which does something to help explain different outcomes in a free market and hopefully lowers the hostility between races and
00:38:23ethnicities so that we can understand that there's differences.
00:38:25And we can celebrate those differences rather than getting mad at everyone because there are differences.
00:38:31So, yeah, there was a bunch of stuff that came together.
00:38:33And then in the summer of 2020, which I assume is just a very coordinated effort, I was removed from
00:38:41maybe 15 platforms, all relatively rapidly.
00:38:47And I went from playing stadiums to playing jazz clubs.
00:38:50I went from a giant amp set, like a queen lighting setup, to a ukulele and sitting on a bucket
00:38:55in the corner, which is fine.
00:38:56You know, I like jazz too, as well as stadium rock is fine.
00:38:59And so, I did a couple of years in the wilderness, and I suppose I'm back-ish.
00:39:06It's kind of hard to say, but, you know, who knows?
00:39:09Who knows what's going to happen?
00:39:10But, you know, as far as philosophers go, it's really not bad at all.
00:39:14It's really not bad at all.
00:39:16I mean, historically, what's been done to philosophers, way worse than has ever been done to me.
00:39:21So, I'm not going to complain overly.
00:39:23I still have all my limbs.
00:39:24I'm not being offered hemlock on a regular basis.
00:39:26I'm not in some dungeon.
00:39:29So, you know, I had to spend some time in the wilderness.
00:39:32It certainly happened to better people than me.
00:39:35Incredible.
00:39:35Incredible stuff.
00:39:36Okay.
00:39:36So, there's so much there.
00:39:38However, the one thing that I was thinking of this earlier, and you just touched on it kind of a
00:39:42minute or a few minutes ago, which is education.
00:39:44I've had this argument with a few different people, whether it was, you know, macro thinkers, George Gammon, Michael Green,
00:39:51some of these gentlemen who, you know, their big thing is we need to re-educate people.
00:39:56Like, people need to be educated on really, like, basically a lot of things that you're talking about, in a
00:40:00sense.
00:40:01Their belief is we need to educate people.
00:40:04And my pushback has always been, and I've actually had these arguments with both of these gentlemen specifically.
00:40:09It's like, how do you propose out-propagandizing the state when you have school control and you have an endless
00:40:16currency printer paid for by all of us through inflation?
00:40:19We're on the hamster wheel.
00:40:20And they just never seem to be able to give an answer to that.
00:40:24And I, you know, they're very reticent to go full in on Bitcoin or something like that.
00:40:28And I'm like, I get it.
00:40:30However, I don't see anything else in my life here on earth studying this for, you know, nearly two decades
00:40:35that is going to do anything what we think Bitcoin could do.
00:40:38Not that Bitcoin can do it and that it will, but there's nothing else.
00:40:42It's like, I always give the Titanic analogy of it's going down, the U.S. dollar, the network, all the
00:40:46apparatuses.
00:40:47The lifeboat is your only chance at survival.
00:40:49It doesn't mean you're going to live, but.
00:40:52And so how do you, my question to you, I guess, is, you know, how do you, is it educating,
00:40:57you know, separating money and state, separating education state?
00:40:59Is it the money first and then the education domino falls thereafter quickly or is it like these guys say
00:41:04we have to re-educate people then, you know, like the money won't matter because fiat, you know, that's the
00:41:10thing I just, I can't grasp.
00:41:11We've tried that, it feels like, and we haven't got anywhere, guys, you know.
00:41:14So am I going crazy?
00:41:16Are you like, where are we at with this?
00:41:18Well, I can't guarantee that one way or the other, but certainly you seem quite sane to me so far.
00:41:22So I actually did this experiment back in the day.
00:41:25I think it was around maybe 2012 or something like that.
00:41:29So I started doing my podcast because I had a long commute.
00:41:33I was working in the software field at the executive level.
00:41:37And anyway, I started recording things in my car because I'd always had lots of thoughts.
00:41:41And so I didn't even monetize it because back then you couldn't really.
00:41:45It was just, man, it was crazy difficult and crazy expensive to distribute and so on, right?
00:41:49Because the bandwidth is very expensive back in like 2005.
00:41:54But then what happened was somebody said, hey, you should put a donation button up.
00:41:59And I think the technology had kind of recently come in.
00:42:01So I did that and then people started donating.
00:42:05And I thought, hey, maybe I'll get gas money or whatever it is, you know, the beer money kind of
00:42:09thing that podcasters aim for.
00:42:10But for a variety of reasons, it ended up being more than that.
00:42:15And I ended up with my wife's agreement to quit my tech career and to yell at a potato cam
00:42:24for a living.
00:42:26And so I did that and ended up doing not too badly with it, right?
00:42:32And so after that stabilized, I said to free market professors, right, academics, and I knew some of them personally.
00:42:43I debated some of them and I put out the call.
00:42:45And I said, look, if you're a free market economist, you will maybe teach a thousand people over the course
00:42:52of your career,
00:42:52maybe 2,000 people if you're at the higher level over the course of your career.
00:42:57That's not much.
00:42:58You know, I'm reaching 10 million people a month.
00:43:02So you'll do way better in the free market of podcasting than you will in academia.
00:43:07You'll reach more people.
00:43:09Maybe you can make as much money.
00:43:10You set your own pace.
00:43:12You can work from home.
00:43:13You can pursue the curriculum that you design and want to pursue.
00:43:16And it seemed like a no-brainer.
00:43:21And a quick question.
00:43:22What do you think?
00:43:23What do you think?
00:43:23If you had to guess.
00:43:24How many free market con?
00:43:26And I said, listen, I will even teach you.
00:43:27I will be happy to coach you.
00:43:29I'll be happy to train you, give you all my secrets, all the stuff I had to learn the hard
00:43:33way.
00:43:33I'll teach to you the easy.
00:43:34I'd love to have more competition because it just raises the profile of the space as a whole.
00:43:38You can come and announce your new podcast on my show.
00:43:42Like, it'll be fantastic, right?
00:43:44Okay, so I put this out in general and in specific to a bunch of free market economists.
00:43:53And a quick, quick question.
00:43:55How many of them do you think quit their careers to join the free market?
00:44:00Right.
00:44:00So what does that tell you?
00:44:02It tells you that even if we gave everyone PhDs in free market economics,
00:44:06they still would prefer government benefits and government power to the actual free market.
00:44:12Now, I mean, it's quite possible that they would have made,
00:44:14they certainly would have had a much bigger impact.
00:44:16They would have lived in accordance with their values,
00:44:18and they could have even made more money.
00:44:20And they certainly would have had more satisfying careers.
00:44:22But no, they didn't want to let go of the government benefits.
00:44:26So even though they know the government benefits are immoral,
00:44:29even though they know that they're distortionary,
00:44:31they still want to stay within the academic system,
00:44:33which is created and protected by the government.
00:44:35It's a government cartel.
00:44:37And so that to me was a great relief.
00:44:39So education will not work,
00:44:42because even if we could give everyone a free market PhD in economics,
00:44:47they still won't choose the free market of their own volition.
00:44:50I did choose the free market, you know, for whatever reason.
00:44:53That was better for me.
00:44:55I mean, I took a 75% pay cut to start podcasting.
00:44:58And I mean, you know, because I just,
00:45:01I want to do as much good as I possibly can in the world.
00:45:03I don't particularly care how I get there.
00:45:05I just want to, you know, when my eyes close in that final stinky hospital room,
00:45:09I just want it to close on a life well lived in the pursuit and promulgation of virtue.
00:45:13And I don't really care that much what happens along the way.
00:45:16You know, they're just bumps and, you know, whatever it is.
00:45:19To me, it's like, you know, if you're,
00:45:20you're coasting along in a boat and you hit some big waves,
00:45:22it's just kind of part of the fun.
00:45:24I mean, why do you want calm water the whole time?
00:45:25That's kind of dull.
00:45:27So the education is not, is not the answer.
00:45:30With regards to Bitcoin, I, I'm in triage mode.
00:45:34And I have been really since the beginning.
00:45:36And, you know, triage mode is what patients can you,
00:45:39what patients are going to die no matter what, leave them alone.
00:45:41What patients are going to survive for the next hour no matter what.
00:45:44These are the patients who are going to die
00:45:46if we don't treat them in the next hour.
00:45:48Those are the ones that you focus on, right?
00:45:50And so when I'm trying to orange pill people,
00:45:52I will talk to them about a Bitcoin and I'll explain why it's important
00:45:56and what problems it's trying to solve and the morals of it.
00:45:59Because if you, you can only sell a certain amount of stuff on practical,
00:46:03you know, you'll be rich, whatever it is.
00:46:05But you have to, I think, really give people a moral purpose,
00:46:08the lack of moral purpose since the fall of religion in the West
00:46:11has been one of the big voids that communism is stepping in to fill,
00:46:14as it generally does.
00:46:15So I will, and if people are like, oh, it's, it's, it's,
00:46:19it's based on nothing.
00:46:20It's just digital vaporware and so on, right?
00:46:23And I'm like, so do you send emails?
00:46:26Emails, do they, do you print them out and walk them over
00:46:28or do you, you send emails?
00:46:29So your bank, your bank account,
00:46:32does it actually have a pile of money in it
00:46:34or is it just a bunch of digits?
00:46:35You know, like you look at the most wealthy companies in the world,
00:46:39they tend to be digital.
00:46:40So the idea that something is not tangible,
00:46:43therefore it has no value.
00:46:45It's like, do you ever order a movie?
00:46:47You ever order a movie and have it show up on your screen?
00:46:49You know, those aren't actual actors in the little box.
00:46:52They're not there for real.
00:46:53It's all digital.
00:46:54You get that, right?
00:46:55You listen to music.
00:46:56It's digital.
00:46:57It's not real.
00:46:57They're not musicians, tiny musicians playing in your ears.
00:47:01Anyway, so, so I sort of point out that it's not digital.
00:47:04The fact that something's digital doesn't mean that it's worth less.
00:47:07It can in fact mean that it's worth more.
00:47:08And they say, well, I want to invest in gold.
00:47:10And it's like, okay, that's fine.
00:47:12You know, the government can just take your gold,
00:47:13as they regularly do throughout human history.
00:47:16You also know that it costs 3% of the value of your gold
00:47:18to store your gold every year.
00:47:19So it's declining.
00:47:20You also know that it's impossible to transport,
00:47:22whereas you can walk across one border
00:47:24with a 12 or 24-word phrase in your head,
00:47:27and you can carry a virtually infinite amount of money around
00:47:29with no hassle, no problems, and so on.
00:47:32And also that the government can devalue all of your money
00:47:36by just printing whatever it wants.
00:47:38So I'll just make these cases, and if people, you know,
00:47:42most people won't judge an idea by its own merits.
00:47:45In fact, I mean, it's really not more than 5% of people,
00:47:48in my experience, who will judge.
00:47:49I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
00:47:50Make the case.
00:47:51Here's the counter case,
00:47:51and you're actually arguing the facts and merit.
00:47:54What they do is they have an emotional reaction
00:47:56based upon how they think everyone else in their life
00:47:59will think of this idea.
00:48:00So they're not judging that idea itself.
00:48:02They're judging other people's reactions to this idea.
00:48:05So they've been told that Bitcoiners are crazy.
00:48:10You know, it's just, they're rabid anarchists,
00:48:12digital chaos agents, and it's used for terrorism,
00:48:15and blah, blah, blah.
00:48:16And so they're not actually evaluating Bitcoin
00:48:19or anything like that.
00:48:20What they're doing is they're saying,
00:48:21well, hang on, Bitcoiners are bad,
00:48:24so if I become a Bitcoiner, people will think I'm bad.
00:48:27Well, I don't want people to think I'm bad,
00:48:29therefore Bitcoin must be wrong.
00:48:30And it's like, I just, you can't help people like that.
00:48:33You can't help, I'm looking for the 5% of people
00:48:36who actually have the intellectual integrity
00:48:38and curiosity to assess an idea
00:48:41based upon the reason and evidence.
00:48:43That's all.
00:48:44I mean, most people won't do that.
00:48:45And, you know, if you've got a pill
00:48:47that will cure a disease,
00:48:48and most people will scratch your face out
00:48:49rather than take it,
00:48:50hey, I'm not a big fan of getting
00:48:52this beautiful face scratched out.
00:48:54So I'm going to just move on to the next person
00:48:56who's willing to take some medicine.
00:48:58Oh, man, there's so many things there, honestly, Stephan.
00:49:01Okay, so a couple, for a while now,
00:49:06for a couple of years,
00:49:06I'm actually working on a book about this,
00:49:09kind of akin to Thomas Paine's Common Sense.
00:49:12And it's, you know, basically separating money and state,
00:49:16which was at the time separating church and state
00:49:18and what they were arguing for, right?
00:49:20And on and on and on.
00:49:20So a pamphlet, if you will,
00:49:23and that's what I'm working on, this version of this.
00:49:25But is it, it's been 17 years, you know,
00:49:28this has been out there.
00:49:29People can find it.
00:49:30We have the internet.
00:49:31People can do research.
00:49:32Is it going to be something,
00:49:33you just mentioned 5% of people,
00:49:34where there's only a couple of percent of people
00:49:36that we get to, 2, 3, 4, 5%
00:49:38that pull the rest of society across?
00:49:41Because it just feels like most people
00:49:42are just completely asleep at the wheel
00:49:44and there's no help.
00:49:44Like you said, we're in triage mode
00:49:45and most people are just completely helpless,
00:49:48unfortunately, learned helplessness,
00:49:49all these things.
00:49:50Is that what it's going to be?
00:49:51Just a couple of percent of people
00:49:52dragging everyone across the finish line here?
00:49:55I honestly don't know how many people
00:49:57are going to make it across the finish line.
00:49:59See, if I didn't think,
00:50:02I'd be crapping my pants,
00:50:04like right now on this show.
00:50:06Like it would be a horrible sound.
00:50:09And the reason for that is that
00:50:10if you don't think,
00:50:12and you just repeat slogans
00:50:14and you just use whatever
00:50:16socially approval prediction words
00:50:17make you feel good or look good in the moment.
00:50:19If you don't think,
00:50:22brother, there's AI.
00:50:25And AI doesn't think a whole lot faster
00:50:28and a whole lot better than you do.
00:50:29Because AI is an NPC.
00:50:32AI doesn't think for itself.
00:50:34It's just a word guesser
00:50:35based upon prior predictive patterns.
00:50:37AI does not come up with original ideas.
00:50:39AI is an NPC.
00:50:41So if you're someone who doesn't think,
00:50:44you're like somebody who digs with a shovel
00:50:46when somebody's just invented the truck.
00:50:49You're like somebody who lifts things up to top shelves
00:50:51when someone's just invented the forklift truck.
00:50:53So if you don't think,
00:50:55I mean, if you didn't think,
00:50:57obviously, like Darwinian selection being what it is,
00:51:00people who didn't think were fine
00:51:02throughout most of human history.
00:51:03You don't need a lot of thought to dig a ditch
00:51:04or throw a spear or fire an arrow
00:51:06or, you know, build a road.
00:51:08I mean, you get prisoners in shackles can do stuff
00:51:10to cut down some wheat,
00:51:12to cut down some trees.
00:51:13You don't need to think
00:51:14and you do just fine
00:51:15throughout most of human history.
00:51:17In fact, the people who did think,
00:51:18it was kind of touch and go
00:51:19for quite a lot of human history.
00:51:21Now, the tables have turned now completely
00:51:24in that manual labor will be replaced by robotics
00:51:27and not thinking will be replaced by AI.
00:51:31Now, AI still has a hallucination problem
00:51:33and that's sort of baked into the architecture.
00:51:35But it's funny how people say,
00:51:36you know, the problem is that AI hallucinates.
00:51:38I'm like, have you talked to the average voter?
00:51:40You think that AI is the only person who hallucinates?
00:51:43And AI in general only hallucinates
00:51:45because it's ingesting hallucinogenic text
00:51:48like a bunch of gobbledygook
00:51:50and postmodern relativism, nihilism, subjectivism
00:51:53and nonsense like that.
00:51:56And so, it's like, you know,
00:51:57force-feeding someone LSD up the ass
00:51:59and then saying, you know,
00:52:00they're not really good at gymnastics.
00:52:01It's like, yeah,
00:52:02because they're in another dimension
00:52:03that you put them there.
00:52:04So, as far as like how many people,
00:52:06I would honestly be crapping my pants.
00:52:08The good thing is that people who don't think
00:52:10don't even think about this kind of stuff.
00:52:11So, they're kind of immune.
00:52:13But it is, you know,
00:52:15there was a time in America
00:52:17when like 70% of people were involved in agriculture.
00:52:20Now, it's like 2% or 3%
00:52:22because you've got these big combine harvesters.
00:52:23You don't need the manual labor and so on, right?
00:52:25And so, people who only work with their bodies mindlessly
00:52:28are going to be replaced by robotics.
00:52:30And people who don't think for themselves
00:52:32are going to be replaced by AI.
00:52:35That's just, that's a fact of,
00:52:37you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
00:52:39It's just going to go that way.
00:52:41Like cab drivers, you know,
00:52:42self-driving cars are way safer.
00:52:44You know, self-driving cars make mistakes.
00:52:47Have you driven in Florida ever?
00:52:48Ever.
00:52:49Just out of curiosity.
00:52:50No, people don't use their signals.
00:52:52They just flip you the bird.
00:52:53So, which I guess is the kind of signal.
00:52:55I'm armed.
00:52:56So, you know,
00:52:58how many people are going to get across?
00:52:59I mean, I think that the elites as a whole,
00:53:01obviously, I don't know any elites,
00:53:03but if I were to put myself in their shoes,
00:53:04I'd be like, okay,
00:53:05so we've got this large disposable biomass
00:53:07of people who don't think.
00:53:08And we've got AI and we've got robots.
00:53:11So, kind of, what do we need them for?
00:53:13You know, the robots, they're not expensive.
00:53:16They don't require healthcare.
00:53:17They don't require old age pensions.
00:53:19You know, they don't riot
00:53:21when we don't pay them government money for welfare.
00:53:24So, you've got this large,
00:53:25from the view of the elites,
00:53:26this large disposable biomass
00:53:28of dunderheads in the world.
00:53:30Now, of course, you can say,
00:53:31well, the dunderheads were created
00:53:32by the elites through terrible government education.
00:53:34Yes, John Taylor Gatto 101,
00:53:35I get all of that,
00:53:36but it is what it is, right?
00:53:38I mean, so, as far as, like,
00:53:40well, are we going to drag 95% of people?
00:53:42I don't know.
00:53:43I mean, in the past, of course,
00:53:45what happened was
00:53:46when you had a large disposable biomass,
00:53:48and in particular,
00:53:49when government couldn't pay its bills,
00:53:51just went to war.
00:53:52I mean, that's what governments did, right?
00:53:54Oh, no, we have too many people
00:53:57and we can't service them all
00:53:58and they're not really producing much.
00:54:00We'll just go to war.
00:54:01And that's how you bleed off
00:54:02the excess disposable biomass.
00:54:04Going to war,
00:54:05it's not really a thing anymore
00:54:07because of nukes and bioweapons
00:54:09and other sorts of things,
00:54:10chemical weapons.
00:54:11You can't really go to war
00:54:13because going to war might mean
00:54:14that the elites themselves get toasted
00:54:15and they don't like to, you know,
00:54:17see their bones through the window
00:54:18as the nuke goes off.
00:54:21So that's not really a thing.
00:54:22So what they do instead
00:54:23is they work on depopulation agendas
00:54:25to sort of lower the biomass of the planet
00:54:27and that's been going on
00:54:29for, you know, at least 50 years now.
00:54:30And part of the fiat currency inflation
00:54:32is driving women into the workforce.
00:54:34Also saying to women,
00:54:35you must be economically equal to men
00:54:38means that you just kill the birth rate
00:54:39because the only way that women
00:54:41can be even remotely economically equal to men
00:54:43is by not having children
00:54:44because, you know,
00:54:45you're a dad four times more than me.
00:54:47So you know how much resources,
00:54:49time, care, attention and money
00:54:50children take up.
00:54:51God bless them.
00:54:51I love it.
00:54:52I think it's wonderful,
00:54:52but it is a fact.
00:54:54And so if women are going to have
00:54:56two to three kids,
00:54:57they're going to be out of the workforce
00:54:59for 10 to 15 years
00:55:01and more, of course,
00:55:02if they homeschool.
00:55:04So yeah, it's a real shame.
00:55:07You know, this equality is this mirage.
00:55:09You know, oh, we're going to get this equality.
00:55:10And all that happens is you go
00:55:12out into the desert
00:55:13in pursuit of that mirage of equality.
00:55:14You just end up dying in the sand dunes
00:55:16with your womb turning to dust.
00:55:18And you've got like 30,
00:55:20a huge half of women,
00:55:21like age of 30 now,
00:55:23have no kids
00:55:23and no prospect of kids.
00:55:25That's rough.
00:55:26And so the depopulation stuff
00:55:28used to be war.
00:55:29Now it's not a lot nicer.
00:55:30Like you have to be
00:55:31talked into self-sterilization
00:55:33rather than blown up
00:55:35in a World War I trench.
00:55:37As a man,
00:55:38way better.
00:55:39Way better.
00:55:40You know,
00:55:40if I can,
00:55:41if I can just,
00:55:41somebody says,
00:55:42you want not to continue your line
00:55:44because equality
00:55:44and white people bad.
00:55:46And I'm like,
00:55:47oh, so I just have to not listen to that
00:55:48and I can go and do what I want.
00:55:50Fantastic.
00:55:51That's a whole lot different
00:55:51than being drafted
00:55:52and being thrown into a barbed wire
00:55:55machine gun nest
00:55:56no man's land crossing
00:55:57without Wonder Woman
00:55:58to protect your ass, right?
00:55:59So I think that it's uncertain
00:56:04to know how many people
00:56:07are needed in the future.
00:56:08And my goal, of course,
00:56:10is to be in one of the group
00:56:12of people who are needed
00:56:13because you have to do things
00:56:15that AI can't do better.
00:56:17And AI could not come up
00:56:18with the speeches that I'm doing
00:56:19because AI is mostly,
00:56:21I mean, it's programmed
00:56:21on my work as well,
00:56:22but it's mostly programmed
00:56:23on NPC nonsense.
00:56:25So AI is just a way faster NPC.
00:56:29And so if you are an NPC,
00:56:31I'm sorry,
00:56:31you're out of luck
00:56:32when it comes to having
00:56:33much of a productive future.
00:56:35And if you don't have much
00:56:36of a productive future,
00:56:38I would not say that your life
00:56:41is probably going to be super great
00:56:42in whatever way possible.
00:56:44So I'm not hugely interested
00:56:46in trying to sort of drag people
00:56:47across the line
00:56:49because, again,
00:56:51if they're trying to kill me
00:56:53for trying to cure them,
00:56:55I'm not rooting for the disease,
00:56:56but I'm not going to put myself
00:56:57in harm's way either.
00:56:59Yeah, no, totally,
00:57:01totally a fair point.
00:57:03How much,
00:57:04a quick side note here,
00:57:05how much time do you have?
00:57:06Because I still have like
00:57:07a half dozen questions or so.
00:57:09Yeah, we can go a little longer.
00:57:10This is just phenomenal stuff, Stefan.
00:57:13You have a little bit of time still?
00:57:15Yep.
00:57:16Okay, awesome.
00:57:17This is just such an incredible talk.
00:57:19I could talk to you for hours.
00:57:20You know, the good thing
00:57:20about being de-platformed
00:57:21is it frees up your schedule
00:57:23quite a bit.
00:57:24I got four days if you need it.
00:57:26I got my diapers on.
00:57:27I got my NASA drive
00:57:28across the country diapers.
00:57:29I am good to go.
00:57:31Oh, man, I love it.
00:57:33I absolutely love it.
00:57:34Okay, so we were talking about
00:57:36these people
00:57:38that many people are not making
00:57:39across the finish line.
00:57:40And we touched on birth rate.
00:57:42We just talked about the UBI.
00:57:44UBI, you know,
00:57:45it really feels like
00:57:46we're diverging into this world
00:57:47of Bitcoin and freedom
00:57:49and, you know,
00:57:50the Citadels and Freedom Cities
00:57:51and this radically different world
00:57:53from what we're used to.
00:57:54Like we talked about earlier,
00:57:55this modern dark age potentially.
00:57:57And then going further
00:57:57down the road of UBI,
00:57:58CBDCs, digital passports,
00:58:00and slavery.
00:58:00It just,
00:58:01it really feels like
00:58:02people are scared
00:58:03about losing their jobs to AI
00:58:04like you just mentioned as well.
00:58:06We talked about
00:58:06the parenting stuff earlier,
00:58:07complimenting Bitcoin.
00:58:09And just,
00:58:10it really,
00:58:10it just couldn't be more stark
00:58:12in my mind.
00:58:13It's all I can see
00:58:13is the meme
00:58:13of the two roads diverging.
00:58:15And having these,
00:58:16like how do you see things
00:58:17playing out going forward
00:58:19in the coming years,
00:58:21in the coming decades
00:58:21as the world starts really kind of,
00:58:23it was the red versus blue divide,
00:58:25this continental divide
00:58:26thing people talked about
00:58:27of like,
00:58:27you go live in that place
00:58:28and I'll go live in this place.
00:58:29We'll see who wins
00:58:30at the end of the day
00:58:30and like your red versus blue.
00:58:32And now it's becoming really this,
00:58:34you know,
00:58:34these two monies,
00:58:35which are obviously
00:58:36the foundation now separating society
00:58:38and you're going to live
00:58:39in the freedom cities
00:58:40and these people are going to live
00:58:41with UBI and government,
00:58:42you know,
00:58:43sludge over here.
00:58:44How do you see this playing out
00:58:45going forward?
00:58:47You're right about
00:58:47the fork in the road.
00:58:49I wrote a whole book about this
00:58:50called The Future.
00:58:51People can get it for free
00:58:51at freedomain.com slash books.
00:58:53So,
00:58:56it's terrifying
00:58:56and exhilarating,
00:58:58which is,
00:58:58you know,
00:58:59probably not the worst
00:59:00state of mind
00:59:00to be in as a whole
00:59:01as the old Chinese
00:59:02curse or blessing goes,
00:59:03may you live in interesting times.
00:59:05It's really interesting.
00:59:05This is a fork in the road
00:59:06in human history.
00:59:07So,
00:59:08in the past,
00:59:09totalitarianism
00:59:10was limited by manpower.
00:59:12You could only hire
00:59:12so many people
00:59:13to survey everyone.
00:59:15Unfortunately,
00:59:17AI
00:59:18and facial recognition
00:59:19and
00:59:20central bank digital currencies,
00:59:22which are continually
00:59:23being pushed,
00:59:25put automation
00:59:27of
00:59:27surveillance
00:59:28and control
00:59:29and social credit scores
00:59:31and deplatforming
00:59:32in the hands of government.
00:59:33In other words,
00:59:34in the past,
00:59:34you had to open up,
00:59:36this is what,
00:59:37Solzhenitsyn was sent
00:59:38to the gulag
00:59:38for like a decade for,
00:59:39right?
00:59:40That you had to have,
00:59:41he wrote a letter home
00:59:41from the war
00:59:42and he criticized something
00:59:43and he got thrown in the gulag.
00:59:45So,
00:59:45but you had to have people
00:59:45open the letters
00:59:46and read them
00:59:47and you're limited in that.
00:59:48There's only so many people
00:59:49who can open up
00:59:49and read
00:59:50and so on,
00:59:51right?
00:59:51But if all letters
00:59:53can be automatically read
00:59:55and compared against
00:59:56some algorithm
00:59:56of good thing
00:59:57or bad thing
00:59:58or right thing
00:59:58or wrong thing
00:59:59and so on,
01:00:00then the automation
01:00:01of surveillance,
01:00:02control,
01:00:04social credit scores,
01:00:05deplatforming
01:00:05and so on,
01:00:07there's no practical limit
01:00:09to how much control
01:00:13politics can have
01:00:14over you anymore.
01:00:15Again,
01:00:15in the past,
01:00:16it was limited by
01:00:17having to physically scan
01:00:18and having to physically punish
01:00:19and so on.
01:00:20With the automation,
01:00:23it's incomprehensible
01:00:24how much control
01:00:26and surveillance
01:00:27is possible
01:00:27because of computer technology
01:00:29and so on.
01:00:30Now,
01:00:31I mean,
01:00:31we've got laws
01:00:32being proposed in Germany
01:00:33where you're not allowed
01:00:34to buy a house
01:00:34if you have published
01:00:35wrong thing anywhere
01:00:36and of course,
01:00:37people have there.
01:00:38You know,
01:00:39I assume pretty much
01:00:40everything that's ever
01:00:41not on some error-gapped computer
01:00:43is absorbed
01:00:44into some gelatinous cube
01:00:46database of infinity
01:00:47and going to be used
01:00:48against you
01:00:48at whatever point
01:00:49in the future
01:00:50which is why
01:00:50I was thankful.
01:00:51I am thankful
01:00:52that there was no computers
01:00:54around when I was young
01:00:55in that way.
01:00:56So,
01:00:57the problem is that
01:00:58the automation
01:00:59of totalitarian surveillance
01:01:02means that
01:01:03there's no practical limit.
01:01:04There's no upper
01:01:05labor-based limit
01:01:06on how much
01:01:07you can be surveilled,
01:01:08controlled,
01:01:08and punished.
01:01:10And that is a problem.
01:01:12Now,
01:01:13what's interesting
01:01:14and what generally happens
01:01:15in human history
01:01:16is when totalitarianism
01:01:17begins to increase
01:01:19a place opens up.
01:01:20A place opens up
01:01:21for people to flee to.
01:01:23I mean,
01:01:23of course,
01:01:24America was that place
01:01:25in the past.
01:01:26England was that place
01:01:27prior where people fled
01:01:29the French Revolution
01:01:29to go to England.
01:01:30So,
01:01:30when totalitarianism
01:01:32begins to settle
01:01:34or get its sort of
01:01:35digital iron grip
01:01:36around the nads
01:01:37and throats
01:01:37of the population,
01:01:39there is a market incentive
01:01:41for a country
01:01:42to provide safe haven
01:01:44for the most talented.
01:01:45Now,
01:01:46whether that stuff,
01:01:47I don't know why
01:01:47Elon Musk seems very keen
01:01:49to go to the moon,
01:01:49maybe because of zoning laws
01:01:51or maybe on the moon
01:01:52he'll be removed
01:01:52from his temptation
01:01:53to be an endless baby daddy.
01:01:55I don't know,
01:01:55probably space aliens up there
01:01:56who've been banged
01:01:57by Captain Kirk in the past
01:01:58that he can just get
01:01:59sloppy seconds from.
01:02:00But,
01:02:01whether it's the moon,
01:02:03whether it's Mars,
01:02:04whether it's some country,
01:02:05whether it's El Salvador,
01:02:07which is the first country
01:02:08to really embrace
01:02:09Bitcoin and so on,
01:02:10there is going to be a country,
01:02:12there always is,
01:02:12that opens up
01:02:14to talented people
01:02:15to get to.
01:02:18And of course,
01:02:18that country's going to have
01:02:19to be pretty good
01:02:19at military
01:02:20and fifth generation warfare
01:02:22and so on,
01:02:22but again,
01:02:23that's an intelligent thing,
01:02:25that's one thing
01:02:26that people who don't
01:02:27understand IQ
01:02:27do not understand
01:02:28the difference
01:02:28between the war in Iraq
01:02:29and the war in Iran.
01:02:30In Iran,
01:02:31the average IQ
01:02:32is north of 100,
01:02:34in Iraq it's the low 80s,
01:02:35and so Iran has
01:02:38millions of geniuses,
01:02:39whereas Iraq
01:02:40has only a few hundred,
01:02:41and it's just
01:02:42a whole different matter.
01:02:42Which is why
01:02:43Iran is aiming
01:02:45at the petrodollar
01:02:45by demanding
01:02:46Bitcoin payments,
01:02:47a dollar per barrel
01:02:48of oil going through
01:02:49the Strait of Hormuz,
01:02:50which is going to
01:02:51try and normalize
01:02:53not using the petrodollar
01:02:55for settling oil transactions,
01:02:57and that's a massive,
01:02:59brilliant,
01:02:59you know,
01:03:00whatever you think of Iran,
01:03:01I'm not a huge fan,
01:03:01of course,
01:03:02of Islamic theocratic
01:03:03dictatorships,
01:03:04although I have
01:03:04great sympathy
01:03:05for the Iranian people,
01:03:07but it's a
01:03:08obviously brilliant move,
01:03:10and out of the fog of war
01:03:12emerges an attack
01:03:13from a direction
01:03:13that nobody really
01:03:15anticipated,
01:03:15although I did say
01:03:16that Bitcoin
01:03:17was going to be leveraged
01:03:18in the next war
01:03:18as an attack upon
01:03:19U.S. dollar hegemony,
01:03:20but so,
01:03:22you know,
01:03:24there's going to be
01:03:24a place that opens up
01:03:27that free people
01:03:29can get to.
01:03:30I don't know
01:03:31what that looks like,
01:03:32I don't know
01:03:32where it's going to be,
01:03:33but whenever
01:03:35the Iron Curtain
01:03:36so much
01:03:36in general
01:03:37falls upon
01:03:38the productivity
01:03:39of the general population,
01:03:40those with the most
01:03:41to offer,
01:03:41those with the greatest
01:03:42creativity
01:03:43and the most intelligence
01:03:43and the most
01:03:44entrepreneurial abilities
01:03:45are a massive resource
01:03:47that if you open
01:03:48your gates to them,
01:03:49they will come
01:03:50and you will get,
01:03:52you know,
01:03:52a new country
01:03:54that is going to
01:03:54outstrip the old countries
01:03:55and then maybe
01:03:56it can spread
01:03:56the ideas back.
01:03:57It's just the general
01:03:58heartbeat of tyranny
01:03:59and freedom
01:04:00as a whole,
01:04:02and in the past,
01:04:03of course,
01:04:04it was hard
01:04:04to get to that
01:04:05new country.
01:04:05Now it's a whole lot easier.
01:04:07It could just be
01:04:07one flight away
01:04:08and again,
01:04:09I don't know where,
01:04:09you know,
01:04:09for all I know,
01:04:10it could be China.
01:04:11I mean,
01:04:12because China,
01:04:13you know,
01:04:14it's funny,
01:04:14I did business in China
01:04:16many,
01:04:17many years ago
01:04:18and had an enormous
01:04:19admiration for the Chinese
01:04:21people,
01:04:21very good-humored,
01:04:22very smart,
01:04:24of course,
01:04:24and the spatial reasoning
01:04:25and the engineering
01:04:26of the East Asians
01:04:27is really beyond compare
01:04:29in all of human society
01:04:31and they're,
01:04:31I think,
01:04:32getting kind of tired
01:04:32of communism,
01:04:33so who knows,
01:04:34right?
01:04:34I mean,
01:04:34in many ways,
01:04:35they're freer
01:04:36than the West
01:04:37and so,
01:04:38yeah,
01:04:38I don't know
01:04:39where it's going to be.
01:04:40All I can do
01:04:41is put out the ideas
01:04:41and hope that people,
01:04:42you know,
01:04:42maybe it'll be
01:04:43under Millet in Argentina.
01:04:45I mean,
01:04:45he's half the poverty rate
01:04:47and so on,
01:04:48although people were saying,
01:04:49oh,
01:04:49but manufacturing
01:04:50has declined under Millet.
01:04:51It's like,
01:04:52yes,
01:04:52because they were zombie
01:04:53Japanese-style
01:04:54propped-up
01:04:54fiat currency companies
01:04:56that were just being used
01:04:57as cash cows
01:04:58by the corrupt.
01:04:59They weren't real companies,
01:04:59so once you get rid
01:05:01of the real company,
01:05:02unreal companies,
01:05:03it's going to shrink,
01:05:03but that's good.
01:05:04What matters is the productivity,
01:05:05not the size of the sector.
01:05:07So,
01:05:08yeah,
01:05:08there is this fork in the road
01:05:10for me promoting freedom,
01:05:11promoting Bitcoin,
01:05:12promoting peaceful parenting
01:05:13and so on
01:05:14is the best that I can do.
01:05:16I did this
01:05:16back-of-the-napkin calculation
01:05:17a year or two ago
01:05:18that 1.5 billion
01:05:20assaults against children
01:05:21have been prevented
01:05:22by what it is
01:05:23that I've done.
01:05:24And,
01:05:25you know,
01:05:25before that,
01:05:25I was just,
01:05:26you know,
01:05:26if people were yelling at
01:05:27or shaking their kids
01:05:28in parking lots,
01:05:28I'd go up and talk to them.
01:05:29Which was kind of
01:05:30a slow process
01:05:31relative to being able
01:05:32to put out a podcast
01:05:32that's been viewed
01:05:33or downloaded
01:05:34about a billion times.
01:05:36So,
01:05:36things are much more efficient.
01:05:37Tyranny is more efficient.
01:05:38Freedom is more efficient.
01:05:40The promulgation of bad ideas
01:05:41is,
01:05:43of course,
01:05:44terrible in the government
01:05:46sector
01:05:46and so on,
01:05:47which is why
01:05:47both our kids,
01:05:48I assume,
01:05:49are homeschooled,
01:05:49one of the many reasons.
01:05:50So,
01:05:51yeah,
01:05:51the infliction of bad ideas,
01:05:52the promulgation of bad ideas
01:05:53has achieved
01:05:56great efficiencies,
01:05:56but for the first time
01:05:57in human history,
01:05:58the promulgation of good ideas
01:06:00can to some degree
01:06:01keep pace,
01:06:01which is why
01:06:02everyone gets so mad
01:06:03at people like us
01:06:04who do podcasting and stuff.
01:06:05It's like,
01:06:06you're not regulated,
01:06:06you're not controlled.
01:06:07It's like,
01:06:08yes,
01:06:08we're actually free
01:06:09and so on and so.
01:06:10And again,
01:06:11well,
01:06:12not again,
01:06:12but I got my account back
01:06:15on X
01:06:17from Elon Musk,
01:06:18right?
01:06:19And
01:06:21that is a huge deal.
01:06:22Like the liberation of Twitter
01:06:23is a huge deal
01:06:25in human history.
01:06:26I would say
01:06:27it's going to be akin
01:06:28to the printing press
01:06:29in the 15th century
01:06:32in terms of the promulgation
01:06:33of ideas
01:06:34because
01:06:35the left has
01:06:36pretty much everything else.
01:06:37I mean,
01:06:37they've done that slow
01:06:38march through the institutions
01:06:40in this sort of
01:06:41tortoise beats the hare
01:06:42kind of way
01:06:42and having,
01:06:43you know,
01:06:44conversations like this,
01:06:45the things on X
01:06:46where counter narrative ideas
01:06:48can spread
01:06:49is hugely powerful
01:06:50and it really,
01:06:51at the moment,
01:06:51it's not a kinetic war,
01:06:53it's an idea war
01:06:54and
01:06:55the more we can
01:06:57show up
01:06:58with reasonable courage
01:06:59and resolution
01:07:00and kindness
01:07:02but firmness,
01:07:04I think the better off
01:07:05we'll be
01:07:05and really,
01:07:05it's the best hope
01:07:06that humanity's ever had
01:07:07to have good ideas spread.
01:07:09It's an unbelievable time.
01:07:11Like you said,
01:07:12it's just the technology
01:07:13we have.
01:07:14I think of
01:07:15Noster,
01:07:16Noster,
01:07:16you know,
01:07:17like these different platforms
01:07:17that are completely outside
01:07:19the realm of control.
01:07:20Communication platforms
01:07:21built like Bitcoin
01:07:22in protocols
01:07:22that are uncensorable,
01:07:24just everything we have now
01:07:25all the way to Twitter,
01:07:26more centralized stuff
01:07:27that is,
01:07:28you know,
01:07:28seemingly in better hands now.
01:07:29I mean,
01:07:29it's just,
01:07:30it really is incredible.
01:07:31So I love that you say
01:07:31that it spreads,
01:07:32the good ideas spread
01:07:33almost as fast now
01:07:34as the bad ideas,
01:07:35which we had bad ideas
01:07:36spreading for thousands of years.
01:07:39There's no way
01:07:39to spread the good ideas really.
01:07:41So do you think,
01:07:42going back to the war thing
01:07:43though for a second,
01:07:44do you think,
01:07:45like Iran versus Iraq
01:07:47and what's going on,
01:07:48and we talked about
01:07:48the city of London earlier.
01:07:50I've been under this
01:07:53leaning towards the side
01:07:54of there is some type
01:07:55of 4D chess going on
01:07:57in the sense of
01:07:57the city of London
01:07:58and Europe being
01:07:59one of the targets
01:08:00of really what's going on.
01:08:01Iran being in this proxy
01:08:04of kind of like this player
01:08:05outside the system
01:08:06that was kind of used
01:08:07by the British Empire.
01:08:08You know,
01:08:08the Suez crisis,
01:08:09World War I,
01:08:10like we've been talking about,
01:08:11never really went away.
01:08:12The imperial nature
01:08:14of the crown
01:08:14being an island
01:08:15and what was going on,
01:08:17they went and pillaged
01:08:18everything else around the world
01:08:19because they needed resources.
01:08:20They want to control,
01:08:21et cetera, et cetera, right?
01:08:21So there's reasons
01:08:23and excuses for things,
01:08:24but being what it is,
01:08:26how do you see
01:08:27just the war,
01:08:28everything playing out,
01:08:29you know,
01:08:29war sucks,
01:08:30war is terrible.
01:08:30At the same time,
01:08:31do you feel like,
01:08:32I guess my question is,
01:08:34is the system so far gone,
01:08:35going back to this
01:08:36separating money in state,
01:08:37separating education in state
01:08:39where people are screaming,
01:08:40hey, we need to do
01:08:40the constitution thing
01:08:41and all that,
01:08:42which I'm a huge fan of here,
01:08:43obviously,
01:08:44and I know you are too.
01:08:44However,
01:08:45how are we signaling,
01:08:47hey, we're going to go to war
01:08:47with somebody
01:08:48when you're trying to do
01:08:49X, Y, and Z thing
01:08:50and meaning we're so far
01:08:53off the tracks
01:08:53that the normal course of action
01:08:56isn't even available
01:08:57to us anymore.
01:08:57You know,
01:08:58the way of doing things
01:08:59naturally through,
01:09:00you know,
01:09:00constitutionally,
01:09:01et cetera, et cetera.
01:09:02And do these power politics
01:09:03have a place to play
01:09:05in society
01:09:05because we find ourselves
01:09:06so far off the tracks
01:09:08because of all these misdeeds
01:09:09layered on top of each other
01:09:10decade after decade
01:09:11after decade.
01:09:11So hopefully that makes sense,
01:09:13but that's where
01:09:14I think the fight is
01:09:16and seemingly
01:09:17it's very hard
01:09:18for the average person
01:09:18to discern all that
01:09:19and I've just spent
01:09:20months and months
01:09:20kind of going back and forth
01:09:21and arguments both ways
01:09:23in my own mind
01:09:23and watching people
01:09:24on all sides
01:09:25of the spectrum here.
01:09:27Yeah.
01:09:28So when you go to war,
01:09:29you go to war
01:09:30with particular strengths
01:09:31and particular weaknesses.
01:09:34To be honest
01:09:36with the population
01:09:37as a whole
01:09:38is to say
01:09:39here's where
01:09:40we can win.
01:09:41But of course
01:09:42where you can win
01:09:43is not where your enemy
01:09:44is going to fight.
01:09:45Your enemy is going to fight
01:09:46where you can't win.
01:09:48And of course
01:09:50I don't think
01:09:50that any government
01:09:51has ever gone to war
01:09:52saying
01:09:54here's the blowback
01:09:55we can expect.
01:09:56Here's how we've gamed out
01:09:57viewing it
01:09:58from our enemy's
01:09:59standpoint.
01:10:00Here's how we've gamed out
01:10:02how we would attack us
01:10:04if we were them.
01:10:05Right?
01:10:05And I'm sure
01:10:06they do these exercises
01:10:07internally
01:10:08but they haven't done them
01:10:09externally.
01:10:09Right?
01:10:09So, you know,
01:10:10they close
01:10:11the Strait of Hormuz
01:10:13which is a huge deal.
01:10:15Right?
01:10:15Obviously 20%
01:10:16of the world's energy
01:10:17goes through there.
01:10:18And that's talked about
01:10:19and that's pretty obvious.
01:10:20What people don't realize
01:10:21quite as much
01:10:22is that massive quantities
01:10:23of fertilizer
01:10:25go through there.
01:10:26And, you know,
01:10:27we're kind of heading
01:10:28into growing season
01:10:29and if they don't have
01:10:31the nitrogen fertilizers
01:10:32there's going to be
01:10:33a lot of hunger
01:10:34that is going on
01:10:36and a lot of starvation
01:10:37that is going on
01:10:37in the world.
01:10:39So, it spreads
01:10:40the destabilization
01:10:41because they can't get a hold
01:10:42either of the energy
01:10:43as easily
01:10:43the liquid natural gas
01:10:45and the oil
01:10:46or the nitrogen-based fertilizers
01:10:48are being held up there.
01:10:51And so, America says
01:10:53well, you're out
01:10:53of the SWIFT system
01:10:54you know,
01:10:54we're going to seize
01:10:55your government's assets
01:10:57and you can't do business
01:10:58and so on
01:10:59and then
01:11:00they
01:11:00they had their
01:11:02stablecoin
01:11:03of course
01:11:03and then they blocked
01:11:04the ability of Iran
01:11:06to do that stablecoin
01:11:07and then the very next day
01:11:08Iran says
01:11:08okay, it's Bitcoin.
01:11:09Now, the interesting thing
01:11:10about this
01:11:11is that
01:11:13I think everyone
01:11:14who's been around
01:11:15Bitcoin for a while
01:11:16remembers that first
01:11:18terrible
01:11:19awful
01:11:20wet-your-pants terror
01:11:22of sending your first transaction
01:11:24because it doesn't feel real
01:11:26until you kind of do it
01:11:28but
01:11:29after you send your first transaction
01:11:31and it goes through
01:11:32and you get your receipt
01:11:33and blah blah blah blah blah
01:11:34you're like
01:11:35oh
01:11:36it works
01:11:37we can do this
01:11:38and so
01:11:39for Iran
01:11:40to shift
01:11:43international settlements
01:11:45to Bitcoin
01:11:46now
01:11:46it's not foolproof
01:11:47because
01:11:47you know
01:11:48the audits can still
01:11:49occur
01:11:50and
01:11:51you know
01:11:52maybe you could find out
01:11:52where the Bitcoin came from
01:11:53you could still be subject
01:11:55to millions of dollars of fines
01:11:56if you're breaking
01:11:56an embargo
01:11:58or
01:11:58it could even be criminal fines
01:12:00and so on
01:12:01or criminal
01:12:02charges
01:12:02so it's not like
01:12:04oh
01:12:04you know
01:12:04it's just Bitcoin
01:12:05is perfect
01:12:06immediately
01:12:07but
01:12:07what's happening
01:12:08is people are like
01:12:09oh we need Bitcoin
01:12:10okay we're going
01:12:10buy some Bitcoin
01:12:11okay well we need to send
01:12:12the Bitcoin
01:12:12oh we've sent it
01:12:13now people have done it
01:12:15and
01:12:16it sounds ridiculous
01:12:17but it is kind of a thing
01:12:19that the first time
01:12:20you do something
01:12:21it seems very hard
01:12:22and
01:12:22you know
01:12:23just remember
01:12:24how you learned
01:12:25how to ride a bike
01:12:25now you ride
01:12:26handle
01:12:26bars free
01:12:27listen to
01:12:27I don't know
01:12:28Kia or something like that
01:12:30so
01:12:32the fact that
01:12:33they are shifting
01:12:34people's perceptions
01:12:35of a valid
01:12:36payment platform
01:12:38from
01:12:38US fiat
01:12:39to
01:12:40Bitcoin
01:12:41I think it's seismic
01:12:42I really think it's seismic
01:12:43because
01:12:44as you know
01:12:4657% of
01:12:47stuff is settled
01:12:48in US dollars
01:12:49these days
01:12:49if people begin
01:12:51to shift to Bitcoin
01:12:52then the value
01:12:53of the US dollar
01:12:54goes down
01:12:54the demand
01:12:55for the US dollar
01:12:55goes down
01:12:56considerably
01:12:56if the value
01:12:57of the US dollar
01:12:57goes down
01:12:58considerably
01:12:58then of course
01:12:59domestic prices
01:13:00go through the roof
01:13:00and it's very
01:13:01destabilizing
01:13:02so this is the
01:13:03funny thing
01:13:04you know
01:13:05with
01:13:06government
01:13:07military
01:13:08they pour
01:13:09a lot of
01:13:09stuff
01:13:10into
01:13:10very
01:13:10expensive
01:13:11hardware
01:13:11the government
01:13:11military
01:13:12has an
01:13:13incentive
01:13:13for
01:13:14massive
01:13:15expensive
01:13:16very expensive
01:13:17to maintain
01:13:17and keep
01:13:19going
01:13:20hardware
01:13:21you see
01:13:21these giant
01:13:22aircraft carriers
01:13:23and the
01:13:23massive bombers
01:13:25and you know
01:13:25they just got
01:13:26this
01:13:26and it's
01:13:26kind of
01:13:27impressive
01:13:27you are
01:13:27sailing down
01:13:28the Persian Gulf
01:13:29giant ships
01:13:30and so on
01:13:31and it all
01:13:32seems very
01:13:32intimidating
01:13:32and it is
01:13:33of course
01:13:34nobody could
01:13:34beat America
01:13:35in a zillion
01:13:36years
01:13:36in any kind
01:13:37of conventional
01:13:37war
01:13:38so what that
01:13:39means is
01:13:39people aren't
01:13:40going to
01:13:40fight those
01:13:41conventional
01:13:41wars
01:13:42they're just
01:13:43not
01:13:43and so
01:13:46they're going
01:13:46to find
01:13:46some other
01:13:47way to
01:13:47attack
01:13:47so then
01:13:48you would
01:13:49game it
01:13:49out I think
01:13:50as an
01:13:50intelligent
01:13:50person
01:13:51and I'm
01:13:51sure
01:13:51Americans
01:13:51have done
01:13:52this
01:13:52American
01:13:52military
01:13:53is full
01:13:53of smart
01:13:53people
01:13:54and they've
01:13:54gamed it
01:13:54out
01:13:54and they've
01:13:55said
01:13:56okay so
01:13:56if I were
01:13:57in Iran's
01:13:57shoes
01:13:58what would
01:13:59I do
01:14:00well I
01:14:01would want
01:14:01America
01:14:01and Israel
01:14:02to waste
01:14:02as many
01:14:03missiles as
01:14:03possible
01:14:03so I
01:14:04create a
01:14:04bunch of
01:14:05decoys
01:14:05I would
01:14:06know that
01:14:08they've
01:14:09blown up
01:14:10a whole
01:14:10bunch of
01:14:10painted
01:14:10stuff in
01:14:11the desert
01:14:12and then
01:14:13I would
01:14:13make sure
01:14:13that all
01:14:14of my
01:14:14missiles
01:14:15are mobile
01:14:16they're on
01:14:16trucks and
01:14:17so on
01:14:17to make
01:14:18sure that
01:14:18they can't
01:14:18get hit
01:14:19and so
01:14:20on
01:14:20and what
01:14:20I would
01:14:21then do
01:14:21is I
01:14:22would
01:14:24spend
01:14:25my worst
01:14:27rockets
01:14:27at first
01:14:28right so
01:14:29that the
01:14:30Iron Dome
01:14:30and the
01:14:30other
01:14:31defensive
01:14:31measures
01:14:31would be
01:14:32drained
01:14:32away by
01:14:33all of
01:14:34that
01:14:34and I
01:14:35would hold
01:14:35my best
01:14:35weapons in
01:14:36reserve
01:14:37and then
01:14:37after this
01:14:38is all
01:14:38drained
01:14:39away
01:14:39only then
01:14:40you throw
01:14:41the cannon
01:14:42fodder in
01:14:42at the
01:14:43beginning
01:14:43and then
01:14:43you bring
01:14:44your troops
01:14:44up at the
01:14:45end when
01:14:45the enemy
01:14:46is already
01:14:46exhausted
01:14:47and I'm
01:14:48sure that
01:14:48they know
01:14:49as well
01:14:49that Iran
01:14:50would
01:14:51Iran is
01:14:52very
01:14:52the Iranian
01:14:52government
01:14:53it's kind
01:14:54of wild
01:14:54they've been
01:14:55bitcoin centric
01:14:55for over
01:14:57a decade
01:14:57I think it
01:14:58is
01:14:58they have
01:15:00generated
01:15:00bitcoin
01:15:00they have
01:15:01transacted
01:15:01in bitcoin
01:15:02they have
01:15:03government
01:15:04has subsidized
01:15:06energy
01:15:06consumption
01:15:07for bitcoin
01:15:07miners
01:15:08so they
01:15:08are very
01:15:09bitcoin
01:15:10literate
01:15:11so they
01:15:11have no
01:15:12fear or
01:15:12concern or
01:15:13lack of
01:15:13knowledge
01:15:13regarding
01:15:14bitcoin
01:15:14and an
01:15:15ironic
01:15:15thing
01:15:16might
01:15:16happen
01:15:16and this
01:15:16is really
01:15:17out there
01:15:18so an
01:15:19ironic
01:15:19thing
01:15:19might
01:15:19happen
01:15:19so what
01:15:21Iran is
01:15:22most likely
01:15:22to do
01:15:23is to
01:15:23attack the
01:15:24value of
01:15:24the US
01:15:25dollar
01:15:25and one
01:15:26of the
01:15:26ways they
01:15:26do that
01:15:27of course
01:15:27is through
01:15:28getting people
01:15:29used to
01:15:29transacting
01:15:30in bitcoin
01:15:31through this
01:15:32straight of
01:15:33Hormuz
01:15:33thing
01:15:33and then
01:15:34once you've
01:15:35already got a
01:15:35payment
01:15:36sort of
01:15:37plan and
01:15:37process and
01:15:38things set
01:15:39up
01:15:39I remember
01:15:39when I was
01:15:40in the
01:15:40business world
01:15:41getting set
01:15:42up as a
01:15:42vendor was
01:15:43complicated
01:15:43but after
01:15:44that you
01:15:44could just
01:15:44build very
01:15:44easily
01:15:45and so
01:15:46there's that
01:15:47aspect and
01:15:48approach
01:15:48and of
01:15:49course by
01:15:51withholding
01:15:53not just
01:15:54oil but
01:15:54again this
01:15:54fertilizer
01:15:55they're going
01:15:56to destabilize
01:15:56America
01:15:57because if
01:15:58there's one
01:15:58thing that
01:15:58Americans like
01:15:59to do
01:15:59it's eat
01:16:01and eat
01:16:02and eat
01:16:02and eat
01:16:03and then
01:16:04you know
01:16:04after a
01:16:05break
01:16:06eat some
01:16:06more
01:16:07and so
01:16:07when Americans
01:16:08are particularly
01:16:09susceptible to
01:16:09the price of
01:16:10groceries in the
01:16:11way that more
01:16:11ascetic cultures
01:16:12are not
01:16:13and so
01:16:15wherever your
01:16:16weakest and least
01:16:17defended is where
01:16:18you're going to be
01:16:18attacked and so
01:16:20I'm not sure
01:16:21if the
01:16:22governments as a
01:16:23whole have been
01:16:23honest about the
01:16:24kind of blowback
01:16:24that people can
01:16:25expect
01:16:26another weakness
01:16:27of course is that
01:16:28America has
01:16:28relatively open
01:16:29borders
01:16:30there are
01:16:30hundreds of
01:16:31thousands of
01:16:31Iranians already
01:16:32in America
01:16:33I don't know
01:16:34if there are
01:16:34right now
01:16:35barriers on
01:16:36Iranians coming
01:16:37to America
01:16:37but they're
01:16:38already there
01:16:38and because
01:16:40you've been
01:16:40threatening Iran
01:16:41America's been
01:16:42threatening Iran
01:16:42for like 50
01:16:43plus years
01:16:45well you know
01:16:46they've known
01:16:47that this was
01:16:47coming for a
01:16:48long time
01:16:49and Iran as
01:16:50you know
01:16:50has been two
01:16:51weeks away
01:16:51from getting
01:16:52nuclear weapons
01:16:52for the past
01:16:5330 years
01:16:53and so they've
01:16:55known this is
01:16:55coming
01:16:56I would assume
01:16:57they already have
01:16:57cells embedded
01:16:58in the United
01:16:59States
01:16:59and a relatively
01:17:00free society
01:17:01with relatively
01:17:02open borders
01:17:03is very easy
01:17:04to attack
01:17:04a closed
01:17:05society
01:17:05a tyrannical
01:17:06society
01:17:06is very
01:17:07I mean
01:17:07who can go
01:17:09and sabotage
01:17:09things in North
01:17:10Korea
01:17:10well you can't
01:17:11because you can't
01:17:11even get into
01:17:12the country
01:17:12right
01:17:12it's really
01:17:13closed
01:17:13an open
01:17:14society
01:17:14is very easy
01:17:16to sabotage
01:17:17very easy
01:17:17to attack
01:17:18and it will
01:17:19be of course
01:17:19where you're
01:17:20least offended
01:17:20and where
01:17:21things are
01:17:21least expected
01:17:22because that
01:17:22does two
01:17:23things
01:17:23if you hit
01:17:24you know
01:17:25if you hit
01:17:27something like
01:17:27grain processing
01:17:28plants
01:17:29or trucking
01:17:30stations
01:17:31and so on
01:17:31so that you
01:17:32stop the
01:17:32flow of goods
01:17:33it's not just
01:17:34those flow of goods
01:17:35now everyone else
01:17:35has to have
01:17:36additional security
01:17:36and guards
01:17:37and there's a lot
01:17:38of overhead
01:17:38and so on
01:17:39so there's going
01:17:40to be an attack
01:17:41that comes back
01:17:42that completely
01:17:43bypasses the
01:17:43hardware power
01:17:44of the American
01:17:45military
01:17:45and I think
01:17:46it's starting
01:17:47now the ironic
01:17:48thing
01:17:48what I said
01:17:49is the ironic
01:17:49thing
01:17:49and I'll stop
01:17:50here because
01:17:50this could go
01:17:51on forever
01:17:51and it doesn't
01:17:52you know
01:17:53it doesn't have
01:17:53any empirical
01:17:54validation as yet
01:17:55but the interesting
01:17:56thing is that
01:17:57by shifting
01:17:58at least the
01:17:59perception
01:17:59of the value
01:18:00of international
01:18:01payments
01:18:01from USD
01:18:03to Bitcoin
01:18:06Iran is going
01:18:07to raise the
01:18:08value of Bitcoin
01:18:08considerably
01:18:09I mean already
01:18:09the demands
01:18:10of a dollar
01:18:12a barrel
01:18:13of oil going
01:18:14through the
01:18:14Strait of Hormuz
01:18:15is about half
01:18:17of the Bitcoin
01:18:18production on
01:18:19any given day
01:18:19about 450 Bitcoin
01:18:21a day are produced
01:18:22through miners
01:18:22so half of that
01:18:24is being hoovered
01:18:24up by that
01:18:24so they're going
01:18:25to raise the
01:18:25value of Bitcoin
01:18:26and something
01:18:27I said a year
01:18:27or two ago
01:18:28is that the only
01:18:29chance America
01:18:30has to pay
01:18:31its national debt
01:18:31and its unfunded
01:18:32liabilities
01:18:32is to have Bitcoin
01:18:34and have the value
01:18:35of Bitcoin
01:18:35go through the roof
01:18:36as I think it will
01:18:36be and the American
01:18:37government I think
01:18:38is sitting on about
01:18:38300,000 plus
01:18:41340, 325
01:18:43mostly taken
01:18:44through police
01:18:45actions
01:18:45so America
01:18:46is sitting on
01:18:46this massive
01:18:47stockpile of Bitcoin
01:18:48and if Iran
01:18:50by shifting
01:18:51people's perceptions
01:18:52of international
01:18:53settlements from
01:18:53USD to Bitcoin
01:18:55it's going to
01:18:56raise the value
01:18:56of Bitcoin
01:18:57which actually
01:18:58raises the value
01:18:59of the US
01:19:00Bitcoin holdings
01:19:01to the point
01:19:01where they could
01:19:02come within
01:19:02a stone's throw
01:19:03of actually being
01:19:04able to make
01:19:04a dent in the debt
01:19:05and unfunded
01:19:05liabilities
01:19:06so who knows
01:19:07how it's going
01:19:07to play out
01:19:08but it's definitely
01:19:10not going to be
01:19:11any kind of
01:19:12conventional war
01:19:13because again
01:19:13you can't beat
01:19:14America
01:19:14and those things
01:19:15so everyone
01:19:15just steps around
01:19:16it
01:19:17and this goes
01:19:18right along
01:19:19with all this
01:19:20I don't know
01:19:20how familiar
01:19:21you are
01:19:21with Jason
01:19:23Lowry's
01:19:23software thesis
01:19:25in that book
01:19:26about the
01:19:27national
01:19:27strategic
01:19:29importance
01:19:29of Bitcoin
01:19:31but it just
01:19:32feels like
01:19:32a lot of that's
01:19:33playing out
01:19:33and you kind
01:19:33of mentioned
01:19:34something earlier
01:19:34about the
01:19:35connect
01:19:35we've kind
01:19:35of reached
01:19:36this crescendo
01:19:36of war
01:19:37like you can't
01:19:37just throw
01:19:38what are we
01:19:38going to do
01:19:39going forward
01:19:39just throw
01:19:39a bunch
01:19:40of robots
01:19:40we're going to
01:19:40manufacture
01:19:41robots
01:19:41and just throw
01:19:42them at each
01:19:42other
01:19:42and then like
01:19:43at some point
01:19:43someone says
01:19:44okay this is
01:19:44dumb
01:19:44we're kind
01:19:45of there
01:19:45with nuclear
01:19:46war
01:19:46like okay
01:19:46well we're
01:19:47going to blow
01:19:47each other
01:19:47up
01:19:47so it
01:19:48kind of
01:19:48stalemates
01:19:48itself
01:19:49at some
01:19:49point
01:19:49like we've
01:19:50reached
01:19:50this arc
01:19:50of society
01:19:51where then
01:19:51it goes
01:19:52into cyberspace
01:19:52and so
01:19:53again some
01:19:54of Jason
01:19:54Lauer's
01:19:54thesis
01:19:55but like
01:19:55you said
01:19:55that was
01:19:56in the
01:19:56Biden
01:19:56administration
01:19:57that was
01:19:57in the
01:19:57Trump
01:19:58administration
01:19:59and they
01:19:59know
01:19:59this stuff
01:20:00and it's
01:20:01been confirmed
01:20:01so what
01:20:03you were
01:20:03saying earlier
01:20:03with there's
01:20:04smart people
01:20:04in the military
01:20:05thinking about
01:20:05these things
01:20:06so where
01:20:06I'm going
01:20:07with this
01:20:07is you
01:20:07Scott
01:20:08Bessent
01:20:08just saying
01:20:09I believe
01:20:09it was
01:20:10today or
01:20:10in the last
01:20:11couple of
01:20:11days saying
01:20:11we gotta
01:20:12pass the
01:20:13clarity act
01:20:14and obviously
01:20:15the genius
01:20:15act
01:20:15all these
01:20:16things
01:20:16you have
01:20:16the Lutniks
01:20:17these very
01:20:18pro-Bitcoin
01:20:19people in
01:20:19the administration
01:20:20now they
01:20:20haven't talked
01:20:21about it
01:20:21a ton
01:20:21as much
01:20:22as Bitcoiners
01:20:22would like
01:20:23over the
01:20:23last year
01:20:23or so
01:20:24but if you
01:20:24look underneath
01:20:25their surface
01:20:25there's a lot
01:20:26of things
01:20:26going on
01:20:27and then you
01:20:27have something
01:20:28like this
01:20:28and again
01:20:29this is just
01:20:29complete
01:20:29conspiracy
01:20:30you know
01:20:30this is my
01:20:31own like
01:20:31speculation
01:20:32but was
01:20:33there a reason
01:20:34there's been
01:20:34people saying
01:20:35the Navy
01:20:35they weren't
01:20:36opening a
01:20:37strait
01:20:37purposely
01:20:38like they've
01:20:39been
01:20:40certain pressure
01:20:41points to
01:20:41people around
01:20:41the world
01:20:42the US
01:20:43can do
01:20:43where I'm
01:20:44going with
01:20:44this is
01:20:45would it
01:20:46make sense
01:20:46like did
01:20:47somebody whisper
01:20:47in the air
01:20:47I mean
01:20:48Trump
01:20:48their family
01:20:48owns thousands
01:20:49of Bitcoin
01:20:49you know
01:20:50their American
01:20:50Bitcoin
01:20:51like all this
01:20:51stuff
01:20:51so it's like
01:20:52you got to
01:20:52kind of read
01:20:52the tea leaves
01:20:53a little bit
01:20:53is there
01:20:54someone maybe
01:20:54whispering and
01:20:55saying hey
01:20:55guys you
01:20:56could do
01:20:57this with
01:20:57squeeze it
01:20:57but just
01:20:58ask for
01:20:58payment in
01:20:59Bitcoin
01:20:59I mean
01:21:00underneath
01:21:00the back
01:21:01channels
01:21:01I mean
01:21:01it's like
01:21:02to me
01:21:02it's just
01:21:02like
01:21:03this is wild
01:21:05to see what's
01:21:05going on
01:21:06but I think
01:21:06people discount
01:21:07these things
01:21:07it's like
01:21:07just crazy
01:21:08but again
01:21:09conspiracy theories
01:21:10are what
01:21:10they're just
01:21:10six months
01:21:11from becoming
01:21:11true
01:21:11right
01:21:11so
01:21:12oh yeah
01:21:13and you know
01:21:14conspiracy theory
01:21:15was just a term
01:21:16invented by the CIA
01:21:16to discredit people
01:21:17connecting the dots
01:21:18I mean
01:21:18conspiracy is literally
01:21:20a term in law
01:21:20that is used
01:21:21to put people
01:21:21in jail
01:21:22it's not
01:21:22some sort
01:21:23of abstract
01:21:23thing
01:21:23no I love
01:21:25I love
01:21:25love love
01:21:27that people
01:21:28are not talking
01:21:29about Bitcoin
01:21:29at the moment
01:21:30so I'm sure
01:21:32you've heard
01:21:32of the famous
01:21:32law
01:21:33the inverse
01:21:33Kramer law
01:21:34like whatever
01:21:34Jim Kramer
01:21:35promotes
01:21:36is going to go
01:21:37down in value
01:21:37and whatever
01:21:38he denigrates
01:21:39is going to go
01:21:40up in value
01:21:40now I don't
01:21:41have any proof
01:21:42of any of this
01:21:43but I would
01:21:43assume that
01:21:44someone like
01:21:45Jim Kramer
01:21:45when he's saying
01:21:47this stock
01:21:47is going to go
01:21:48down
01:21:49it's because
01:21:49his friends
01:21:50want to buy it
01:21:50because they
01:21:51think it's
01:21:51going to go
01:21:51up in value
01:21:52so then the
01:21:52normies
01:21:53the NPCs
01:21:53oh Kramer
01:21:54says it's bad
01:21:54so I'm going
01:21:55to sell it
01:21:55and then his
01:21:56friends all
01:21:56buy it up
01:21:57and when he
01:21:57says oh
01:21:57this stock
01:21:58is going
01:21:58to go
01:21:58to the moon
01:21:59and it's
01:22:00going to
01:22:00double or
01:22:00triple in value
01:22:01it's because
01:22:01his friends
01:22:02know it's a
01:22:02dog and they
01:22:02want to dump
01:22:03it so he
01:22:03just I think
01:22:04he's just out
01:22:04there generating
01:22:05demand I don't
01:22:06have any proof
01:22:06of that it's
01:22:07just a nonsense
01:22:07theory but it
01:22:08would certainly
01:22:08accord with a
01:22:09lot of the
01:22:09facts and why
01:22:10he's still on
01:22:11the air despite
01:22:11being one of
01:22:12the worst
01:22:12predictors he's
01:22:13like the inverse
01:22:14Kramer is like
01:22:15inverse Nancy
01:22:15Kramer
01:22:17sorry Nancy
01:22:17Pelosi
01:22:19so I love it
01:22:20when the
01:22:20government doesn't
01:22:21talk up Bitcoin
01:22:22I love it when
01:22:23financial institutions
01:22:24don't talk up
01:22:25Bitcoin because it
01:22:26means they want
01:22:27to buy it
01:22:27because when they
01:22:28start talking up
01:22:29Bitcoin it means
01:22:30they want to sell
01:22:30it and so the
01:22:32fact that the
01:22:32government and
01:22:33the institutions
01:22:34who came into
01:22:35the ETFs a year
01:22:36or two ago the
01:22:37fact that they're
01:22:37not talking it
01:22:38up beautiful man
01:22:39I love it yeah
01:22:40keep keep saying
01:22:41that Bitcoin is a
01:22:42scam keep saying
01:22:43that Bitcoin is
01:22:43because it just
01:22:44means they want
01:22:44to depress the
01:22:45price so they
01:22:45can scoop up
01:22:46more of it so
01:22:47that's just the
01:22:47inverse thing of
01:22:48course you want
01:22:49to you know like
01:22:50if your friend
01:22:51wants to date a
01:22:51girl that you
01:22:52want to date
01:22:52you're gonna say
01:22:53oh man no no
01:22:54she's she cheated
01:22:55on the last
01:22:55boyfriend man she
01:22:56you know she's
01:22:57secretly a cocaine
01:22:58addict and not in
01:22:59the fun kind and
01:22:59you know she
01:23:00has four vaginas
01:23:02one in her
01:23:02armpit okay that
01:23:03might be a plus
01:23:03for some people
01:23:04but you're gonna
01:23:05talk that girl
01:23:05down because you
01:23:06want to date her
01:23:07and so I assume
01:23:08that when institutions
01:23:09are talking up
01:23:10Bitcoin it means
01:23:11they think it's
01:23:12about to go down
01:23:12so yeah the
01:23:13quieter they are
01:23:14the better
01:23:15amazing but
01:23:17it's been
01:23:17incredible talk
01:23:18Stefan I just I
01:23:19could talk to you
01:23:20for hours and
01:23:20hours and hours
01:23:21I want to I
01:23:22have to try to be
01:23:23respectable of
01:23:23your time because
01:23:24my time will just
01:23:24be lost at some
01:23:25point and then I'll
01:23:26suck you into this
01:23:27quagmire of
01:23:28well it doesn't
01:23:29have to be the
01:23:30last time we
01:23:30chat it's nice to
01:23:31nice to be
01:23:32interviewed again
01:23:32yes absolutely I
01:23:34like I said I'll do
01:23:35a live stream at
01:23:35some point maybe in
01:23:36the coming you know
01:23:37weeks and months
01:23:38here and do that
01:23:39is there anything
01:23:40where can people
01:23:41find you anything we
01:23:42missed anything we
01:23:43should touch on you
01:23:44know we've got a
01:23:45wide range of things
01:23:46going on here
01:23:47anything we should we
01:23:48need to touch on
01:23:49quick and where can
01:23:50people find you
01:23:51yeah so to find me
01:23:52just get a really
01:23:53tight pair of ruby red
01:23:54slippers click your
01:23:55heels together three
01:23:56times so free
01:23:57domain.com is where
01:23:59you go to find what
01:24:01it is that I do and
01:24:02there's podcasts and
01:24:03videos I've done some
01:24:03documentaries and I
01:24:06have books available I
01:24:08think all but one of
01:24:09them are free and so
01:24:10I hope people will
01:24:11check that out
01:24:12peaceful parenting.com
01:24:13if you've got
01:24:13parenting questions you
01:24:14can download it's
01:24:15available in a couple
01:24:16of different languages
01:24:17and there's also a 60
01:24:19language AI that has
01:24:20been programmed or
01:24:21developed with all of
01:24:22my material on
01:24:24parenting which has
01:24:25been quite considerable
01:24:27and you can ask it
01:24:28questions it's all free
01:24:29and so on so yeah
01:24:31freedom main.com and
01:24:32if people want to
01:24:32support what it is that
01:24:33I do I don't do ads or
01:24:34anything like that so
01:24:35they can go to
01:24:36freedom main.com slash
01:24:37donate if they'd like to
01:24:38help out the show it's
01:24:38very much appreciated and
01:24:40that's the best place to
01:24:41find me amazing amazing
01:24:43stuff Stefan I
01:24:44appreciate it again
01:24:45honored to have you on
01:24:46and I look forward in
01:24:46doing it again in the
01:24:47future thank you sir
01:24:48thanks brother great
01:24:49chat take care
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