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Como evitar uma guerra comercial com a China? Debate no Parlamento Europeu
A guerra comercial com a China está a aproximar-se? Nesta edição do nosso programa de debate semanal The Ring, Sakis Arnaoutoglou (S&D) e Nicolás de la Parte (PPE) discutem aquele que poderá ser um dos temas mais importantes da agenda política da UE.
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A guerra comercial com a China está a aproximar-se? Nesta edição do nosso programa de debate semanal The Ring, Sakis Arnaoutoglou (S&D) e Nicolás de la Parte (PPE) discutem aquele que poderá ser um dos temas mais importantes da agenda política da UE.
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00:08Olá e bem-vindos ao The Ring,
00:10Euronews's weekly debate show
00:12broadcasting from the European Parliament
00:14here in Brussels.
00:16I'm Stefan Grobe.
00:17On The Ring,
00:18members of the European Parliament
00:19go face-to-face
00:21on some of the biggest issues
00:23facing Europe.
00:24Today, we want to talk about
00:26EU trade relations with China,
00:28which risk becoming so bad
00:31that the European economy
00:32may be seriously hit.
00:34Luis Alberto has more.
00:38Trade tensions between China
00:40and the European Union
00:41are escalating after Beijing
00:43called on EU member states
00:44to revise the bloc's proposed
00:46Made in Europe legislation.
00:49The draft proposal
00:50of the European Commission
00:51seeks to tighten the rules
00:53for foreign companies
00:54that want to participate
00:55in EU public procurement contracts
00:57or benefit from investment opportunities.
01:00The initiative,
01:01which aims to bolster
01:02Europe's industrial capacity,
01:04was met with criticism
01:05by China's Commerce Ministry,
01:07who affirmed that if the EU
01:08quote,
01:09insists on this punishment
01:10and treats China's enterprises
01:12in a discriminatory manner,
01:14Beijing would respond
01:15with countermeasures.
01:16In other words,
01:18retaliation.
01:19While Europe is trying to navigate
01:21a world of aggressive tariffs
01:22by Trump's administration,
01:23is it heading toward
01:24a full-scale trade conflict
01:25with China
01:26or can it still strike a balance
01:28between protection
01:29and cooperation?
01:32A lot to unpack here
01:34for our contenders
01:35and here they are.
01:39Sakis Arnautoulou,
01:40a Greek MEP
01:41from the Socialists
01:42and Democrats group.
01:43He's a member
01:43of the Delegation
01:44for Relations
01:45with the People's Republic
01:46of China
01:47in the European Parliament.
01:48Advocating a pragmatic approach
01:50to global tensions,
01:51he cautions against escalation
01:52and said
01:53Europe must remain open
01:55to cooperation with China
01:56but it cannot remain naïve.
01:58We need a relationship
01:59based on fairness,
02:00reciprocity
02:01and transparency.
02:02The aim is not confrontation.
02:05Nicolás Pascual de la Parte,
02:07a Spanish MEP
02:07from the Central-Right
02:08European People's Party.
02:10A career diplomat,
02:11he served as ambassador
02:12of Spain to NATO.
02:13As an MEP,
02:14he's a member
02:15of the Committee
02:15on Security and Defense.
02:17A strong transatlanticist
02:19with a geopolitical outlook,
02:20he warns about
02:21the global power shift
02:22driven by Beijing,
02:23stating,
02:24China's export restrictions
02:25are an escalation
02:26of the weaponization
02:27of trade policies.
02:28We have to confront
02:29this in a smart way.
02:31That means we cannot
02:32decouple from China
02:33but we have to de-risk.
02:36So let me welcome
02:37to the ring
02:38Sakis Anautoglu
02:39and Nicolas Pascual de la Parte.
02:41Great to see you
02:42and thanks for coming
02:45on the show.
02:45Thanks for having us.
02:46So the aim of the ring
02:48is to offer our viewers
02:50a glimpse
02:50at European Parliament debates.
02:53So you should feel
02:54right at home here on set.
02:56Are you ready?
02:57I am.
02:58Yes, indeed.
02:58Okay, let's start
02:59with the thing
03:01that made headlines
03:01just a few days ago.
03:03When Brussels presented
03:04its Made in Europe proposals
03:06to strengthen
03:07our industrial base,
03:08China reacted
03:09with unusual harshness,
03:11threatening retaliation.
03:13Should we now be scared, Sakis?
03:15Of course not.
03:17I mean, we have
03:17what we did
03:18was actually the logical thing
03:19to do
03:20because China started it.
03:22I mean,
03:23it started some kind
03:23of a weird,
03:24let's say,
03:25unfair competition
03:26and unfair trade
03:27that we have to answer back
03:29because otherwise
03:29we're not going to be able
03:30just to defend
03:31our industry
03:32and defend
03:32what we actually
03:33have reached so far.
03:36This prosperity
03:36that the European Union
03:37has,
03:3827 countries together,
03:40this is not something
03:41that you can achieve
03:42just like that.
03:43so we have our methods
03:45and so we're going
03:46to defend our methods.
03:47Niklas,
03:47this is a proposal
03:49coming from
03:50the European Commission.
03:51Is it dead on arrival
03:52after all these
03:55debates we had?
03:56I agree with my colleague.
03:57I think that
03:58the initial,
03:59the initiative
03:59from the Commission
04:00is based on
04:01the principle
04:02of reciprocity.
04:03That means
04:03that we have
04:04to relate with China
04:07on a real basis
04:08and to demand
04:11from them
04:11the same treatment
04:12as we deliver
04:13to them.
04:13So far China
04:14has been
04:16taking selectively
04:17some norms
04:18of the World Trade Organization
04:19and disregarding
04:20other rules.
04:21From now on
04:22I think that
04:22we have to keep
04:23with them
04:23a fair,
04:24transparent relationship
04:26based on reciprocity
04:27and nothing else.
04:28So the Commission
04:29has taken
04:29a much more
04:31assertive stance
04:32towards China
04:33recently.
04:34Is this the way
04:35to go forward?
04:36There is no other way
04:37to go forward
04:38because
04:38as I said before
04:40and it's a critical
04:41situation
04:42geopolitically
04:43where we also
04:43have a lot
04:45of new challenges
04:46to face
04:47and if we don't
04:49find a solution
04:50or we won't
04:51deal with that
04:51now
04:52because some people
04:53and some
04:54would say
04:55that Europe
04:56has been naive
04:57so far
04:58so we had to
04:58start at it
05:00years ago
05:01just to find
05:02some kind
05:03of solutions
05:03in a way
05:04that we're not
05:05going to bring us
05:05into this difficult
05:06situation.
05:07So it's the only way
05:08I think
05:09that's my opinion.
05:09Tough on China
05:10the right way?
05:11Not tough on China
05:12realistic on China
05:13so far
05:13we have been
05:14dealing with them
05:15in a way
05:16that it is not
05:17any more sustainable.
05:19As I said before
05:20China is disregarding
05:21some rules
05:22of the World Trade
05:22Organization
05:23they subscribe to it
05:25but they select
05:26pick up selectively
05:27what benefit them
05:28and disregard
05:29those who doesn't.
05:30China has to get used
05:32to deal with
05:33the European Union
05:33and with other
05:34international partners
05:35on a basis of
05:36reality and reciprocity
05:37and what we are
05:38trying to do now
05:39is to send
05:40a clear message
05:40to China
05:41we want to
05:41engage with you
05:42we want not
05:43a dependency
05:44relation
05:44we want a relation
05:46on the same footing
05:47but please
05:48be transparent
05:49please respect
05:50the international law
05:51and don't use
05:52commerce and trade
05:52as a coercive weapon
05:53against anybody.
05:55The Chinese have said
05:56that made in Europe
05:57is just a vehicle
05:58to reduce
05:59China's influence
06:01I mean
06:01they're right here
06:02right?
06:03In a way
06:04I mean
06:04everybody's right
06:05from his own position
06:06let's say
06:07but the way
06:09they just
06:10manage to do things
06:11a little bit
06:12secretive
06:12and a little bit
06:13you know
06:14the way
06:14they just
06:15proceed the whole time
06:16is just
06:17a way that
06:18we cannot
06:19let it happen
06:20as I said
06:23we're not
06:23against China
06:24we have to be clear
06:25we want China
06:26as a partner
06:27I'm not saying
06:27that we don't need
06:28China
06:28and China needs us
06:30so we're a huge market
06:31so China
06:31needs also to consider
06:33that if it loses us
06:34then it's going
06:34to have problems
06:35also
06:36do we want
06:37another China?
06:38we don't want
06:40another
06:41I mean
06:41it's very difficult
06:42to say
06:42China is exactly
06:44what it is
06:44we have to adapt
06:45and they have to adapt
06:47both sides
06:48because reciprocity
06:49is the main thing
06:50adapting
06:51is a nice word
06:53Nicolas
06:54because it's ironic
06:55the Chinese
06:56are accusing us
06:58of doing things
07:00practices
07:00that China does
07:02at home
07:03or is promoting
07:04at home
07:04for example
07:06restricting access
07:07to key industries
07:08limiting public procurement
07:10pursuing aggressive
07:11industrial policies
07:13that support
07:14and finance
07:15strategic sectors
07:17so why should we
07:18not hit back?
07:20the reality is that
07:21the access
07:21to the public procurement
07:22in China
07:24is nearly zero
07:25for European enterprises
07:26because there are
07:27a lot of obstacles
07:28a lot of restrictions
07:29legal and non-legal
07:30in addition to this
07:32they use
07:32a kind of
07:33state-run economy
07:34in which
07:34they have
07:35state-run banks
07:36which give
07:38financing
07:39to the enterprises
07:40at zero cost
07:42zero financial cost
07:43so that they can
07:44dump us
07:45out of the market
07:46and once they have
07:47the monopoly
07:47of this product
07:48they increase
07:49the prices
07:49they have done
07:50many times
07:51aluminium
07:52steel
07:53batteries
07:54electric cars
07:55they follow
07:56all the same pattern
07:57they can have
07:58financing
07:59at privileged rates
08:01obviously
08:01because all the banks
08:02in China
08:03are state-run
08:03it is the communist party
08:05will decide
08:05where the money
08:06goes to
08:06and once they
08:07dump us out
08:08because they can
08:10compete with
08:10lower prices
08:11they increase the prices
08:12when they have
08:13the monopoly
08:13of the market
08:14it cannot continue
08:15like that
08:15so is that
08:27depending on them
08:27in strategic inputs
08:30and so far
08:31we still depend
08:32in many sectors
08:34mainly on rare earths
08:35critical minerals
08:36and so on
08:37and so forth
08:37we should reduce
08:39this dependency
08:40in order to have
08:41a fair relationship
08:43doesn't de-risking
08:44mean
08:44also
08:46protectionism
08:47I mean
08:47we're dealing
08:48with a country
08:49here
08:50maybe we have to
08:50deal with a country
08:51where we need to
08:52play nice
08:53but the country
08:54is not sharing
08:55our set of values
08:56isn't that the core problem
08:57it's okay
08:57that's a new era
08:59that everybody
09:00wants to rule
09:01the world
09:01in a way
09:02I mean
09:02as far as
09:03the trade
09:03is absurd
09:04but it doesn't
09:06it doesn't mean
09:06that we
09:07Europe
09:07has to let it
09:08happen the way
09:09that some countries
09:11want it
09:11to protect
09:13your values
09:14to protect
09:14your principles
09:15is not bad
09:15because
09:16if you just
09:17let China
09:18do what it wants
09:19then
09:19there's a huge
09:21possibility
09:21in the coming years
09:23that the cheap
09:24products
09:24are going to be
09:25affordable
09:25for the
09:26for the citizens
09:27of Europe
09:27because we're not
09:28going to be jobs
09:28they're not going to be
09:30industries
09:31in order to produce
09:32things
09:32so we have to
09:33face it
09:34and we have to see
09:35are we going to let it
09:36happen the way
09:37the Chinese want it
09:38or are we going to
09:39enforce our industry
09:41so that the citizens
09:42the European citizens
09:43are going to be able
09:43in the long run
09:45basis
09:45be able to
09:47buy
09:47produce
09:48and buy products
09:48from wherever they want
09:49so if we
09:51as Europeans
09:51as
09:52as a union
09:54act as a sovereign
09:55bloc
09:56the way China
09:57acts as a sovereign
09:58country
09:59doesn't that make
10:00a trade war
10:01inevitable
10:02not at all
10:03I think that
10:04once we
10:05are able
10:06to act
10:07united
10:07against
10:08vis-a-vis China
10:09we will have
10:10a better
10:13standard
10:13to deal
10:14with them
10:14China
10:15is always
10:16trying to divide us
10:17China prefers
10:18to deal with us
10:19on a bilateral
10:19basis
10:20and it's fair
10:20they try to get
10:22benefit
10:23dealing bilaterally
10:24with all of us
10:25we have to offer
10:26a common
10:27consensual
10:28strategy
10:28vis-a-vis China
10:29which is not
10:30either offensive
10:31or defensive
10:31it is fair
10:32we ask for fairness
10:34and to
10:35I mean we have to be clear
10:36in China
10:3730-40 years ago
10:38had no technology at all
10:39I mean we
10:40Europeans
10:41and the Americans
10:41we have been
10:42exporting
10:43and transferring
10:44to them
10:44a lot of
10:45technology
10:46because it was
10:46a request from them
10:47you could not
10:48invest in China
10:49you could not
10:50sell in China
10:50unless you
10:51transfer technology
10:52and they have
10:53benefited from
10:53this transfer
10:54in order to
10:55compete with us
10:57disregarding
10:57sometimes
10:58the world
10:59WTO rules
11:00alright
11:01so let me
11:02stop you
11:03just here
11:03as we're getting
11:04warmed up
11:05right now
11:10now it's time
11:11for our viewers
11:11to get a real
11:12flavor of the
11:13European Parliament
11:14chamber
11:14where members
11:15ask each
11:16other questions
11:17and sometimes
11:18it can get
11:19heated
11:19that means
11:21it's time
11:21for you guys
11:22to challenge
11:23each other
11:24directly
11:24just as you do
11:25in the
11:25hemicycle
11:26behind us
11:27so let's
11:28get started
11:29Sakis
11:30fire off
11:30so I just
11:31wanted to ask
11:32Michael
11:32because
11:33EPP
11:34says
11:35all the time
11:36we have to
11:37enforce
11:37interest
11:38to which
11:38I agree
11:38but I have
11:40the feeling
11:40that the
11:40citizens
11:41everyday
11:42citizens
11:42for EPP
11:43is not
11:46included
11:47the way
11:47that should
11:48so if
11:48the market
11:49works so
11:49well
11:50why
11:50the
11:51citizens
11:51the European
11:52citizens
11:52are complaining
11:53still
11:53because I mean
11:54because the market
11:55is working
11:56well when the
11:57participants
11:58in the market
11:59wants to
11:59play fair
12:00the Chinese
12:01have not
12:01played fair
12:02so far
12:02sometimes they
12:03do
12:04sometimes they
12:04don't
12:05and the only
12:06request
12:06we demand
12:07from them
12:08is that they
12:08have to
12:09respect all
12:10the WTO
12:11rules
12:11and to deal
12:12with us
12:12on a fair
12:13basis
12:13that is all
12:14the market
12:15normally
12:17reassign
12:17or readjust
12:18the differences
12:19but in this
12:20time not
12:21because China
12:21is not
12:22a normal
12:24commercial
12:25partner
12:25it is
12:26a state
12:27capitalism
12:28in which
12:28the Communist
12:29Party
12:29take decisions
12:30on its own
12:31that normally
12:32in our country
12:32is taken by
12:33the market
12:33this is the
12:34difference
12:34follow up
12:35Sakis
12:37what about
12:37the wages
12:38are stagnated
12:39and so there is
12:40no prospect
12:41that the wages
12:42are going to be
12:43to be reason
12:44the way that
12:45you
12:46sometimes
12:47you say
12:47in the European
12:48Parliament
12:49that you
12:49are going to
12:50be able to
12:52raise wages
12:52in a way
12:53according to
12:53your plan
12:54but I don't
12:55think that it's
12:55possible
12:55the way that
12:57geopolitically
12:57is what's going
12:58on at the moment
12:58well I think
12:59that the wages
13:01are dependent
13:02on the
13:02international markets
13:04I mean
13:05capitals
13:05jobs
13:06and wages
13:07travel across
13:08the world
13:09and it's very
13:09difficult to
13:10fix a wage
13:11in Europe
13:11which is not
13:12competitive
13:12vis-a-vis
13:13China
13:13vis-a-vis
13:14the US
13:14nowadays
13:15we have not
13:16to compete
13:16among ourselves
13:17in Europe
13:17as used to be
13:18the case
13:18now we have
13:19to compete
13:20internationally
13:21very toughly
13:22with the US
13:23with China
13:23and with other
13:24competitors
13:24the wages
13:25will be the
13:26result
13:26of many
13:27factors
13:27as you
13:27know
13:28it's not
13:28a question
13:29for us
13:29Europeans
13:29to decide
13:30which is
13:30the perfect
13:31level
13:32of wage
13:32the wage
13:33is the result
13:33of income
13:34of technology
13:36of the
13:37workforce
13:38training
13:38of input
13:40of the prices
13:41of the raw
13:42materials
13:42of many things
13:43but it's clear
13:44that in an
13:44international
13:45trade scenario
13:47the competition
13:48will be much
13:49tougher than before
13:50and the wages
13:51will reflect
13:52this reality
13:53ok
13:53Nicolas
13:54carry on
13:55and ask
13:55Sakis
13:55a question
13:56well
13:57I have a couple
13:58of them
13:59I mean
13:59to what extent
14:00can the
14:02gulliness
14:02to engage
14:03in dialogue
14:04as you say
14:04with China
14:05be interpreted
14:06as a lack
14:07of firmness
14:08in the face
14:09of unfair
14:09trade practices
14:10you know
14:11we always have
14:11to try
14:12I mean
14:12the dialogue
14:13must always
14:14be here
14:14because otherwise
14:16misunderstandings
14:17can crop up
14:18in a way
14:18that cannot
14:19be reversible
14:20so I think
14:21we have to
14:21stick on our
14:22values
14:22I have to
14:24I mean
14:24I've been in contact
14:25with Chinese people
14:26and stuff
14:27and they're also
14:28willing to understand
14:28but we have to
14:30to make
14:31clearer
14:31that it's not
14:33that we have
14:34we're targeting
14:35China
14:36this is
14:36absolute
14:37what we should do
14:39we just
14:40want to
14:41protect our
14:41values
14:42in
14:42within
14:43a dialogue
14:44that can
14:45bring us
14:45closer
14:46and closer
14:47for the benefits
14:48of our nations
14:48follow up
14:49yes
14:50in the European
14:52Union
14:52if the European
14:53Union
14:53does not
14:54respond
14:54with strong
14:55measures
14:56toward China
14:57what alternatives
14:58do you propose
14:59to prevent
15:00the loss
15:00of competitiveness
15:01in key sectors
15:03such as
15:03electric vehicles
15:04for instance
15:05yes we've already
15:06trying it
15:07with Mercosur
15:07for example
15:08just to find
15:09some other
15:09markets
15:10but we have
15:10to be very
15:10careful
15:11because
15:11EPP
15:11is a little
15:13bit too
15:14open to
15:14markets
15:15but we have
15:16to also
15:17take into
15:17consideration
15:17that we have
15:18citizens
15:18we have
15:20producers
15:20that might
15:21be affected
15:23by those
15:23openings
15:24to other
15:25markets
15:25yes to
15:26opening
15:26to other
15:27markets
15:27it's
15:28necessity
15:29it's
15:29necessary
15:29but not
15:30with every
15:31cost
15:32all right
15:33well we've
15:34heard the
15:35views from
15:35our guests
15:36now it's
15:37time to
15:37bring in
15:38a new
15:38voice
15:42for our
15:43quote of the
15:44week I would
15:45like to bring
15:45in Maro
15:46Sefcovic
15:46the EU
15:47commissioner
15:47for trade
15:48and economic
15:48security
15:49a few days
15:50ago he told
15:51Euronews
15:51how he
15:52believes we
15:53should deal
15:53with China
15:54take a
15:55listen
15:55we are not
15:56interested in
15:57any trade
15:57wars and I
15:58made it
15:58clear from
15:58the day
15:59one and I
16:00engaged from
16:01the day
16:02one with
16:02our Chinese
16:03counterparts
16:03I was in
16:04Beijing we
16:05had a
16:05meeting with
16:06Vice Prime
16:07Minister
16:07and I'm
16:08in regular
16:08contact with
16:09my
16:09counterpart
16:09we cannot
16:10have a
16:11trade
16:12deficit
16:121 billion
16:13euros a
16:13day
16:14we cannot
16:14have
16:15deficit
16:15360
16:16billion
16:17a year
16:18it's
16:18simply
16:18unsustainable
16:19I think
16:19what we
16:20need is
16:20indeed
16:21patience
16:22lots
16:23of
16:23courage
16:23to
16:24deal
16:24with
16:24difficult
16:25issues
16:25because
16:26the
16:26war
16:26is
16:27easy
16:27to
16:27declare
16:27but
16:27it's
16:28very
16:28difficult
16:28to
16:29stop
16:29and
16:30therefore
16:30I
16:30think
16:31what we
16:32need
16:32is to
16:33have
16:33regular
16:34structured
16:34talk
16:35also
16:36with
16:36China
16:36I
16:37I
16:37say
16:37crystal
16:37clear
16:38that
16:39we
16:40would
16:40fight
16:40a
16:41tooth
16:41and
16:41nail
16:41for
16:41every
16:42european
16:42job
16:42for
16:42every
16:43company
16:43for
16:44every
16:44sector
16:44if
16:45we
16:45see
16:45that
16:45they're
16:45treated
16:46unfairly
16:46that's
16:47that's
16:47our
16:47job
16:48so
16:48we
16:49need
16:49strategic
16:50patience
16:50and
16:50a lot
16:51of
16:51courage
16:52do
16:52you
16:52agree
16:53with
16:53him
16:53yes
16:54I
16:54do
16:54the
16:54point
16:55with
16:55China
16:55is
16:55that
16:55they
16:55have
16:56an
16:56overproduction
16:57a yearly
16:57overproduction
16:58of the
16:58commissioner
16:59has
16:59pointed out
17:00of around
17:00600,000
17:02million
17:02euros
17:03a year
17:03why
17:04because
17:04there's
17:05no
17:05domestic
17:05demand
17:06because
17:07they don't
17:07have a
17:08welfare
17:08state
17:08then the
17:09Chinese
17:09they save
17:10much more
17:10than us
17:11because
17:12they don't
17:12have any
17:12future
17:14sustained
17:14by any
17:15kind of
17:15subsidies
17:15coming from
17:16the state
17:16then
17:17they don't
17:18spend as
17:18much as
17:19they could
17:19they save
17:19a lot
17:20and that's
17:20why the
17:21national
17:21demand
17:21doesn't
17:22absorb
17:22the
17:22overcapacity
17:23of the
17:24China
17:24economy
17:25and this
17:25overcapacity
17:25is sent
17:26abroad
17:27and this
17:28imbalance
17:28we have to
17:29correct
17:29Sakiz
17:29where do you
17:30come down
17:30on this
17:30hearing
17:31the
17:31commissioner
17:33I think
17:33our viewers
17:34have to
17:35understand
17:36that patience
17:37of course
17:37it's necessary
17:38but on the
17:39other hand
17:39we also
17:40as we said
17:41strategically
17:42we have to
17:42go on
17:42Europe
17:43has
17:44many
17:45benefits
17:46but
17:47for me
17:48the only
17:48mistake
17:49that Europe
17:49still is
17:50doing
17:50is to
17:51take
17:51decisions
17:51very slowly
17:52and we
17:54need to
17:54accelerate
17:54all this
17:55stuff
17:55because
17:56otherwise
17:57United States
17:58and China
17:58matter
17:59I mean
18:00the
18:00decision
18:01making
18:01is so
18:02fast
18:03that we
18:03cannot
18:03follow up
18:04so I
18:04think
18:05we need
18:06to accelerate
18:06everything
18:07in order
18:07to cope
18:07up with
18:08all the
18:08situation
18:09globally
18:09commission
18:10also said
18:11a trade
18:11deficit
18:12of 360
18:13billion
18:14euros
18:14is
18:14unsustainable
18:15economically
18:16and politically
18:17how can
18:18we prevent
18:19it from
18:19ballooning
18:20further
18:20is that
18:21even
18:21possible
18:22of course
18:23it is
18:23I mean
18:24they have
18:24to open
18:25their market
18:25not only
18:26the private
18:27market
18:27but the public
18:28procurement
18:29market
18:29that so far
18:30as I said
18:31before
18:31is nearly
18:32closed
18:32because of
18:32so many
18:33restrictions
18:33second
18:34they have
18:35to
18:36play
18:36the game
18:38with the same
18:38rules
18:39they cannot
18:39have
18:40this kind
18:40of subsidized
18:41help
18:42and assistance
18:44to the enterprises
18:45to compete
18:45abroad
18:46these subsidies
18:47have to disappear
18:47and they have
18:48to compete
18:49on the same
18:49level of fairness
18:50and third
18:51they have
18:52to not
18:53to over
18:55produce
18:55things that
18:56they cannot
18:57consume at home
18:57and they have
18:58to sell abroad
18:58I mean
18:59it's a kind
18:59of many factors
19:00that we have
19:01to balance
19:01and of course
19:02we have
19:02to be
19:03more aggressive
19:04and more competitive
19:05in the Chinese
19:06market
19:06of course
19:07it is possible
19:07if you invest
19:08in your industry
19:09and you just
19:10don't want
19:10to have
19:10your green
19:11transition
19:12only by
19:13importing
19:13products
19:14from abroad
19:15especially
19:15from China
19:16then you
19:17in the end
19:18are going
19:18to end up
19:19outsourcing
19:20jobs
19:21and having
19:22no jobs
19:23at all
19:23but taking
19:24all the
19:25products
19:25especially
19:26from China
19:26this is going
19:26to be
19:27a huge
19:27imbalance
19:28so we
19:29need to
19:29be very
19:29careful
19:30and we
19:30can change
19:31the whole
19:31rhythm
19:33towards
19:33you
19:34have to
19:35invest
19:35in the
19:35right
19:35industry
19:36exactly
19:36lots
19:37of stuff
19:38to talk
19:38about
19:38here
19:39let's
19:39take a
19:39break
19:39on
19:40the
19:40ring
19:40right
19:41now
19:41we'll be
19:41back
19:41with more
19:42after this
19:43don't go
19:44away
19:53welcome
19:53welcome back
19:54to the ring
19:55Euronews's
19:55weekly debate
19:56show from
19:57the European
19:57Parliament
19:57I'm Stefan
19:58Grobe
19:58and I'm
19:59joined by
19:59Sakis
20:00Anautoglou
20:01a socialist
20:02from Greece
20:02and
20:02Nicolas
20:03Delaparte
20:04from the
20:04European
20:05People's
20:05Party
20:05from Spain
20:06at this
20:07point
20:08let's
20:08remind
20:08ourselves
20:09how big
20:10an economic
20:10power
20:10China is
20:11and how
20:11important
20:12our trade
20:13with that
20:14country
20:14is
20:14so
20:15China
20:15recorded
20:16a 1.2
20:17trillion
20:18global
20:18trade
20:18surplus
20:19in 2025
20:20the EU's
20:22trade
20:22deficit
20:22with China
20:23reached
20:23roughly
20:24360
20:25billion
20:26last
20:26year
20:26China
20:27accounts
20:28for
20:28560
20:30billion
20:30euros
20:31in EU
20:32goods
20:32imports
20:33last
20:34year
20:34making
20:34it
20:35the
20:35EU's
20:35largest
20:36import
20:36partner
20:37and EU
20:38imports
20:38from
20:38China
20:39increased
20:39by
20:406.5%
20:41year
20:41on
20:41year
20:42in
20:422025
20:43so
20:44calls
20:45for
20:45rebalancing
20:46have for
20:47the most
20:47part
20:48gone
20:48unheard
20:49right
20:49is
20:50that
20:50a debt
20:51concept
20:52Sakis
20:53you know
20:54I mean
20:54seeing all
20:55this
20:55it's terrifying
20:56when you hear
20:56all these numbers
20:57because
20:59actually
21:00when I read
21:01it and
21:01when the viewers
21:02see it
21:03I mean
21:03sometimes
21:03it's a huge
21:05imbalance
21:05and how
21:05we're supposed
21:06to cope
21:07up with it
21:07but
21:09it is
21:10possible
21:11and it is
21:11some kind
21:12of a
21:12way
21:13of
21:13bringing
21:14it back
21:15taking
21:16the measure
21:16that we
21:16said
21:17otherwise
21:17it's going
21:18to be
21:18huger
21:19the differences
21:21in the next
21:22couple of years
21:24Niklas
21:24to what extent
21:25is EU
21:26policy
21:27towards
21:28China
21:28being shaped
21:29by
21:29pressure
21:30from the
21:31United States
21:32because this
21:32is a player
21:33we cannot
21:34forget
21:34here
21:35I think
21:35that we
21:36have to
21:37have our
21:37own
21:37autonomous
21:38foreign policy
21:39and trade
21:39policy
21:40I would
21:41like to
21:41have
21:41a kind
21:42of
21:42common
21:43approach
21:43with the
21:43United States
21:44to go
21:44hand in hand
21:45vis-à-vis
21:45China
21:45but we
21:46have to
21:46defend
21:46our
21:47own
21:47interests
21:47and our
21:48own
21:48identity
21:50features
21:51hopefully
21:51with the
21:52United States
21:52but we
21:53have
21:53as I
21:53said
21:54to keep
21:55our
21:55own
21:55approach
21:56that
21:57means
21:57a couple
21:57of
21:57things
21:58we have
21:59said
21:59before
21:59that
21:59what is
22:00the
22:00homework
22:00that the
22:00Chinese
22:01have to
22:01carry out
22:01but we
22:02on our
22:02side
22:03we have
22:03also
22:03our
22:04homework
22:04to do
22:04we have
22:05to be
22:05more
22:05competitive
22:06in many
22:07disruptive
22:07technologies
22:08in which
22:09there is
22:09a catching
22:09up
22:09need
22:10for
22:10European
22:10Union
22:11whether
22:11artificial
22:12intelligence
22:12counting
22:13computing
22:13robotics
22:15the
22:15data
22:16on
22:16the
22:17cloud
22:18biotechnology
22:19it's not
22:19only
22:20to request
22:21the
22:21Chinese
22:21to trade
22:22fairly
22:22it's also
22:23for us
22:24to be
22:24more
22:24competitive
22:25we need
22:25to do
22:26our
22:26homework
22:26is that
22:28also
22:28signing
22:29the
22:29US
22:29trade
22:30deal
22:31we need
22:33to be
22:33very
22:33careful
22:33when
22:34voices
22:34like
22:35today's
22:36voice
22:36from
22:36the
22:37other
22:37part
22:37of
22:38the
22:38Atlantic
22:39I
22:39mean
22:39send
22:40different
22:41messages
22:41okay
22:42you know
22:42Mr.
22:43Trump
22:43did
22:44one
22:44very
22:45good
22:45thing
22:45it
22:46brought
22:46together
22:47the
22:48European
22:48countries
22:49more
22:49quickly
22:50than
22:50it
22:51happened
22:51before
22:52so
22:52I
22:52think
22:53it's
22:53a
22:53very
22:53nice
22:54lesson
22:54and
22:55it's
22:56a
22:56huge
22:56opportunity
22:57just
22:57to
22:57take
22:57advantage
22:57of
22:58all
22:58this
22:58do
22:59you
22:59agree
22:59that
23:00Trump
23:00I
23:01might
23:01say
23:02Putin
23:02as
23:02well
23:03are
23:03kind
23:04of
23:04helping
23:05us
23:05to
23:06get
23:06unified
23:06on
23:07yes
23:07somehow
23:07both of
23:08them
23:08are
23:08external
23:09federators
23:10and we
23:11perhaps
23:11should
23:12set up
23:12a monument
23:13to both
23:13of them
23:13because
23:14they are
23:14reinforcing
23:14the unity
23:15and the
23:16coherence
23:16and we
23:17talk about
23:17Trump
23:18be
23:18careful
23:18what
23:19you
23:19wish
23:19for
23:20that's
23:20the
23:21point
23:21I
23:21think
23:21that
23:22I
23:22mean
23:22the
23:23European
23:23Union
23:23normally
23:24reacts
23:24before
23:25crisis
23:25in a
23:26way
23:26that
23:26it
23:26normally
23:27does
23:28do
23:28the
23:29point
23:29now
23:29is
23:30that
23:30time
23:31is
23:32of
23:32the
23:32essence
23:32we'll
23:33have
23:33too
23:33much
23:33time
23:33to
23:34react
23:34because
23:34things
23:34are
23:35happening
23:36at
23:36a pace
23:36at
23:36the
23:36break
23:37pace
23:38and
23:38we
23:38have
23:39to
23:39react
23:39quickly
23:40we
23:40have
23:41to
23:42set
23:42up
23:43a
23:43clear
23:43strategy
23:46defensive
23:47it
23:47is
23:48fair
23:48and
23:48we
23:48have
23:49to
23:49demand
23:49from
23:49them
23:49something
23:50that
23:50we
23:50have
23:50to
23:51do
23:51here
23:51at
23:51home
23:52as
23:52well
23:52time
23:52is
23:53of
23:53the
23:53essence
23:53and
23:54now
23:55it's
23:55time
23:55to
23:55move
23:55on
23:57to
23:57our
23:57fifth
23:57and
23:58final
23:58round
24:02and
24:03now
24:03I want
24:03to do
24:03something
24:04different
24:04I'm
24:05going
24:05to
24:05ask
24:05you
24:05a
24:06set
24:06of
24:06questions
24:06and
24:07you
24:07can
24:07only
24:07answer
24:08with
24:08a
24:08yes
24:08or
24:09no
24:09all
24:10right
24:10so
24:11I
24:11start
24:11with
24:11you
24:12is
24:12access
24:12to
24:13the
24:13Chinese
24:13market
24:14still
24:14essential
24:15for
24:15Europe's
24:15economic
24:16growth
24:16yes
24:17yes
24:18indeed
24:18okay
24:19were
24:20the
24:21EU's
24:21tariffs
24:22on
24:22Chinese
24:22electric
24:23vehicles
24:24worth
24:24the
24:25risk
24:25of
24:25retaliation
24:27yes
24:29yes
24:29indeed
24:30but
24:31I
24:32think
24:32the
24:33Chinese
24:33need
24:33to
24:33understand
24:34that
24:34we're
24:34not
24:34focusing
24:35on
24:35targeting
24:35China
24:36we
24:37just
24:37try
24:37to
24:37protect
24:38our
24:38values
24:38okay
24:38long
24:39yes
24:41would
24:41you
24:41buy
24:41a
24:42Chinese
24:42car
24:43if
24:43it's
24:43considerably
24:44cheaper
24:44than
24:44a
24:45European
24:45one
24:46I
24:47would
24:47I
24:47mean
24:47I'm
24:48not
24:48saying
24:48no
24:48but
24:48the
24:49thing
24:49is
24:49that
24:49because
24:50you
24:51know
24:51if
24:51you
24:51don't
24:51have
24:52the
24:52money
24:52you
24:52have
24:52to
24:53do
24:53something
24:53okay
24:54but
24:54on
24:54the
24:54other
24:54hand
24:55yes
24:55I
24:56would
24:56yes
24:56you
24:57would
24:57Nicholas
24:58it
24:58depends
24:58on
24:58the
24:59quality
24:59not
24:59the
25:00price
25:00the
25:00quality
25:01for
25:01me
25:01is
25:01very
25:01important
25:02and
25:02I
25:02think
25:02that
25:09in a
25:10way
25:10but
25:10we
25:10have
25:10to
25:11let
25:11to
25:11reform
25:12some
25:12because
25:13there's
25:13some
25:13more
25:14some
25:14of
25:14them
25:14are
25:14old
25:15and
25:15you
25:15know
25:15things
25:16are
25:16changing
25:16very
25:16rapidly
25:17right
25:17now
25:18mechanisms
25:18are
25:19effective
25:19yes
25:19or
25:19no
25:19not
25:20entirely
25:21okay
25:22is
25:23the
25:23EU's
25:23new
25:24industrial
25:24policy
25:25compatible
25:25with
25:26open
25:26trade
25:27principles
25:27of
25:28course
25:28that
25:28is
25:28one
25:29of
25:29our
25:29main
25:29objectives
25:30yes
25:31good
25:32are
25:33bi-european
25:34measures
25:35a
25:35necessary
25:35correction
25:40yes
25:41in a
25:42way
25:42a
25:43definite
25:43maybe
25:44but
25:44yes
25:45okay
25:45now
25:47squeezed
25:47between
25:48Trump's
25:48America
25:49and
25:49China
25:49should
25:50Europe
25:50become
25:51more
25:51protectionist
25:52not
25:52at all
25:54no
25:55we don't
25:55need
25:56to be
25:56protectionist
25:57protection
25:58to bring
25:58protectionism
25:59stay
25:59open
26:00but
26:00very
26:00careful
26:01okay
26:01can
26:03Europe
26:03realistically
26:04compete
26:05with
26:05China's
26:06state
26:06backed
26:06industrial
26:07scale
26:08without
26:09similar
26:10subsidies
26:11no
26:11we
26:12cannot
26:13compete
26:13but
26:14we have
26:14to
26:14force
26:15them
26:15to
26:15abide
26:16by
26:16international
26:17rules
26:17not
26:18for
26:18us
26:18to
26:19disregard
26:19international
26:20rules
26:20okay
26:21finally
26:21was
26:22there
26:22anything
26:22over
26:23the
26:23last
26:23half
26:24hour
26:24that
26:25you
26:25agree
26:26with
26:26your
26:26opponent
26:26well
26:27actually
26:27we
26:27have
26:28agreed
26:28on
26:28many
26:28things
26:29most
26:29of
26:30the
26:30time
26:30because
26:31we
26:31have
26:31a
26:32very
26:32sensitive
26:32approach
26:33we
26:34spread
26:34from
26:34China
26:34fairness
26:36reciprocity
26:36and
26:37good
26:38good
26:38manners
26:39in
26:39international
26:39trade
26:40and we
26:40are
26:40ready
26:41to
26:41offer
26:41them
26:41the
26:41same
26:42that's
26:42why
26:42we
26:43share
26:43very
26:44much
26:44our
26:44approach
26:45I
26:45don't
26:45think
26:46that
26:46there
26:46is
26:46space
26:46for
26:47disagreement
26:47nowadays
26:48when we
26:49have
26:49something
26:50in
26:50common
26:50just
26:51to
26:51protect
26:52and
26:52save
26:52our
26:53industry
26:53and
26:53our
26:54European
26:54citizens
26:54so
26:55for
26:55me
26:55I
26:55have
26:56agreed
26:56also
26:56in
26:56many
26:56things
26:57with
26:57my
26:58colleague
26:58okay
26:58so
26:59we
26:59have
26:59common
27:00ground
27:00here
27:00between
27:00the
27:01people's
27:02party
27:02and
27:02the
27:02socialists
27:03fantastic
27:03when
27:04it's
27:04good
27:04for
27:04Europe
27:04that's
27:05good
27:05for
27:05Europe
27:06right
27:06and
27:07that
27:08final
27:08answer
27:09brings
27:09us
27:09to
27:09the
27:09end
27:10of
27:10this
27:10edition
27:10of
27:10the
27:11ring
27:11thanks
27:11again
27:12to
27:12Sakis
27:12and
27:14Nicolás
27:14Delaparte
27:15for a
27:15lively
27:16conversation
27:16here
27:17from
27:17the
27:17European
27:17Parliament
27:18thanks
27:19to
27:19our
27:19audience
27:19at
27:20home
27:20if
27:20you
27:21like
27:21you
27:21can
27:21continue
27:22the
27:22conversation
27:22by
27:23sending
27:23us
27:23your
27:24comments
27:24to
27:25the
27:25ring
27:25at
27:26your
27:26news
27:26dot
27:27com
27:27that's
27:28it
27:28for
27:28today
27:28I'm
27:29Stefan
27:29Grobe
27:29take
27:30care
27:30and
27:30see
27:31you
27:31soon
27:31on
27:32Euronews
27:42Euronews
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