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00:00Welcome back to the Traitors Uncloaked, the official visualised podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
00:06You know by now, superfans, this is your spoiler warning.
00:09If you haven't caught up with episode 11, then go and do that right now on BBC iPlayer.
00:14And I cannot believe I get to do this again, two nights on the trot.
00:20Yes, the faithful have caught another traitor,
00:24with Freddy named by everyone else at the round table,
00:26and Francesca winning the extraordinary power of the seer.
00:30Coming up, Freddy will be here to discuss Charlotte's treacherous double crossing.
00:33We're joined by Wilf from Series 1, and Diane and Harry from Series 2,
00:37to talk final game strategy for both the Traitors and the Faithful.
00:41Plus, Rose Matafeo will be here to dissect all the drama ahead of the final.
00:51Welcome back, Wilf, Harry, Diane, and welcome Rose Matafeo for the first time.
00:56Thank you for joining me for the last episode of Uncloaked, before the grand finale.
01:02What an episode it was, though.
01:05Deception.
01:07This is the energy.
01:09This is the energy we need.
01:10I'm sad about it, to be fair.
01:12You're sad?
01:13I'm sad.
01:14No more to watch, she means.
01:16Yeah, it's sad about the fact there's only one more episode left, but what an episode this was.
01:21We've got loads to discuss.
01:22We've got the final mission of the series, where the clowns and the dolls returned.
01:26Not a phrase I thought we'd be saying at the start of the series, to be honest.
01:29We've got Freddy's massive lie that became his undoing,
01:32and how the power of the seer might change everything for our remaining players.
01:37So, that's where we left it.
01:39So, let's start there on Uncloaked, with the cliffhanger of all cliffhangers,
01:43when Frankie decides to use her seer power on Charlotte.
01:49Players, the seer has made their decision.
01:57The person they want to invite to their private meeting is...
02:23Well, that couldn't have gone much worse for Charlotte, I don't think.
02:26Not at all.
02:27Not at all.
02:28You can see that smile.
02:29She's preparing herself for the worst-case scenario, and this is the worst-case scenario.
02:34I mean, it's obviously going to change the game massively.
02:37I did not expect Frankie to do this.
02:39Well, she said as much.
02:40She said that she wants to confirm that she's a faithful, right?
02:42So, I don't know if she's going into this with any suspicion of Charlotte.
02:46I don't think she is.
02:46I think for the first time, she's got it so wrong that she's got it right.
02:50I think that's the case, right?
02:51Yeah.
02:52It's an interesting use of the power, isn't it?
02:54Because you would have thought that power should be used to find someone who you think is a traitor.
03:00What Frankie is doing is trying to double-check that she knows who at least one of the faithfuls is
03:05going into that final game, which is smart, but she's accidentally found a traitor.
03:09Yeah.
03:09I mean, what do we think is going to happen?
03:11Any idea?
03:12Because obviously we know that Charlotte now has to reveal to Frankie that she is a traitor.
03:17After that, this is Charlotte now in the end of an episode of Breaking Bad, where it feels like there's
03:24no way out.
03:25Is there any room for Charlotte to go, no, I didn't.
03:28I thought it was a faithful one.
03:28Yeah, of course.
03:28I think Charlotte needs to spin the book, like spin the page or whatever you're saying.
03:33Turn the table.
03:34Yeah, there we go.
03:34Thanks for the help.
03:35Sorry, Rose.
03:36Spin the book.
03:37Yeah, spin the book.
03:38Spin the book and see what page you land on.
03:40How do you think Charlotte's feeling now, Harry, in this situation?
03:43How would you be feeling?
03:44I'd be so demoralised because I've worked so hard.
03:48And also she did an amazing job with stitching up Freddie as well and backstabbing him.
03:53So she thought she was in the final and she was sort of plain sailing, but now this whole Sia
03:56twist has let her down.
03:59But again, nothing would be stopping me.
04:00I would be trying to play her at her own game, like people think it's you because of this.
04:05And maybe I'd say to her, just let me win and I'll give you some money.
04:08Charlotte has been particularly unlucky because she went in with a false Welsh accent.
04:12Ellen was Welsh.
04:13Now she thinks she's got it.
04:15And the Sia had the other four, however many were left, to call up and they've called up Charlotte.
04:21I couldn't believe it.
04:22It's been quite unlucky, really, for Charlotte, to be fair.
04:25Really unlucky.
04:25And I think Harry's right.
04:26She's done this amazing move on Freddie that we'll talk more about later.
04:29And that should be it.
04:30That should be the cherry on the cake.
04:32That should be her romping home.
04:33That's the traitors.
04:34Unpredictable.
04:35The whole way through.
04:36My only other thought was, could Charlotte go in there, say I'm a traitor, because she has to, also say,
04:42and I'm not Welsh and speak in her real voice.
04:44Yeah.
04:44So when they both come out of there and Frankie says she's a traitor, also she's not Welsh, Charlotte could
04:49go, she's gone mad.
04:53What are you talking about?
04:54Just in her Welsh accent again.
04:56That's a great tactic.
04:58How do we think Frankie is going to take Charlotte's revelation, Rose?
05:01I think if Charlotte asked nicely and be like, can you not tell?
05:05Frankie would do it.
05:06Frankie would be like, really?
05:08Like, she just wouldn't tell.
05:09Do you think?
05:10Well, she's in a, no, of course not.
05:12Of course not.
05:12That would be insane.
05:13What are you talking about?
05:14I was looking at you like, what are you talking about?
05:16What are you talking about?
05:16We watched the same series.
05:18Are you kidding?
05:19But then I do think, you know, I mean, I think, I honestly think Francesca might cry.
05:24When Charlotte tells her that she's a traitor, because she'll be so stressed out.
05:30But I don't think, I think Charlotte, she's already been showing so many sides of cracking.
05:35Like the entire time, through that round table, being asked to be called in to see the seer, she's smiling.
05:41She's like, the whole time, she's like.
05:42I thought that was an amazing reaction, to smile.
05:46Because I would burst into tears and throw myself through the window, I think.
05:50Do you know what Francesca's done, been wrong so many times.
05:53Is there a way she can fumble this?
05:55Like, does anyone think there's a way she can, like, mess it up?
05:57I don't know.
05:58She can't, really.
05:59Just go in there and say, yeah, she's straight away.
06:01No, but don't forget she got the Mina thing when they were doing that chess game as the voice that
06:06was least relevant or whatever.
06:07She got that.
06:08And she also got what Mina was doing.
06:10She was instrumental.
06:11So she's coming to her own, maybe.
06:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:12You know, I mean, I adored her at the beginning and thought, oh, my God, you know, great, strong woman.
06:17Then she was very quiet.
06:18Then she cried a lot.
06:19But I think she's coming into her own now.
06:21Well, definitely, she just got the seer position, you know?
06:24So, understandably, everyone was desperate to win the seer power in the mission, which came down to who banked the
06:30most gold individually.
06:31Let's look at how they approached the first task when they had to memorise which clowns had gold.
06:38Are we aiming at looking at the coins or the skulls?
06:41Because there's two ears.
06:41OK.
06:41Jake made a really great suggestion that we focus on the five skulls, not the ten ones who've got money.
06:47So we only have to look at five of them.
06:49OK, players, my clowns are impatient.
06:52They've got something really special to show you.
07:07That's some top-level play from Jake, isn't it?
07:10I hadn't thought of that as an option.
07:12I mean, I think he's shown himself to be quite the leader.
07:15Amazing.
07:16His gameplay the whole way through has just been top-notch.
07:18Definitely as a faithful.
07:19I'm not sure about that.
07:21No, I don't think he's been top-notch.
07:22No, he mentioned Linda and then didn't go for her.
07:24I know, but then you need...
07:26The thing is, it's all about strategy.
07:27If you go for someone...
07:28Like, if he went for Linda straight away at the start and didn't get enough people on his side,
07:33Linda could have just turned around and murdered him.
07:35Because if I was a traitor and he said it was me at the start, but no one else voted
07:39for me,
07:40I would have got rid of him straight away.
07:41What do we think about the dolls making a return?
07:44I mean, this was obviously a game of risk.
07:46You pull it as many times as you have the cojones for.
07:50And hope that they don't call you greedy and you lose all the money.
07:53How would you have been at this, Rose?
07:54Terrible.
07:55I would have been terrible.
07:57I would have ended the game before I pulled the string.
07:59I'm so terrified of risk.
08:01I would have hated it.
08:03I think after watching this series, I would have thought I would have been good on The Traitors.
08:07This series, I'm like, I would have sucked so hard.
08:11I would have been stressed out this entire time.
08:14As a faithful or a traitor?
08:15Both.
08:16Yeah.
08:16Both.
08:17I want no part of it.
08:18Can I just say that?
08:19I want no part of any future series.
08:21If you're considering it, I don't want to.
08:22Oh, I don't know.
08:22Honestly, it's a lot of fun.
08:24Do you know Celebrity Traitors coming up, Rose?
08:25I am actually still, I'm on the table again.
08:29I am fully, I'm fully into it.
08:32I think the most fascinating part of this mission for me was Alexander choosing to give Frankie all of his
08:38coins in that final mission.
08:40But that sensible thinking, he wasn't going to win anyway.
08:42So he was trying to just cement the fact he was a faithful.
08:46Yeah.
08:46And obviously he trusts Frankie, so go for it.
08:49His whole play was, I'm going to help you win Frankie, and then you pick me to ask me whether
08:55I'm a faithful or a traitor, and I can prove to you once and for all that I'm a faithful.
08:58And she went and picked Charlotte.
09:00I've got to say, though, I love him so much.
09:02I've just got to say, he's the best.
09:03It feels like you're slightly gutted that he wasn't out on this episode, so you could have met him.
09:07Kind of.
09:11I've never seen somebody who's such a good faithful be seen as a traitor all the time.
09:16Yeah.
09:16I've never seen him.
09:18Okay, okay, but...
09:19Do you need some water, Diane?
09:21Do you want some fizzy rosé, Diane?
09:24Please.
09:25We should talk about Charlotte's gameplay.
09:27We should talk about the shield gameplay.
09:29Oh, yeah.
09:29Telling Freddie that they're going to murder Leanne, knowing full well she's got the shield.
09:34Leanne walks into breakfast.
09:36Freddie just looked like he wanted to go home at that point.
09:39He was so baffled and so confused.
09:42It knew that he'd been thrown under the bus.
09:44What do we think about that as a piece of play, Harry?
09:46Because, obviously, in the previous series, your shield gameplay was something that carried you through.
09:52Charlotte's done the right move.
09:53I said, as we were watching it, I would have done the same thing.
09:56But I think she should have twisted it in a way that she would have told Freddie that she knew
10:01Leanne had the shield.
10:03But she should have tried to lie to Freddie in the turret, saying, you know, like, if it was me
10:07personally, I would have been like, Freddie, I know Leanne's got the shield.
10:09But I think we should still murder her to cover up the fact that, like, she's then tried pinning it
10:14on herself.
10:15Would Freddie have gone for that?
10:16Because he was one of the ones who didn't know about the shield.
10:18I don't know that, but that's the risk you've got to take, I think, as a traitor.
10:20At one point, I did think Freddie's going to do something amazing here.
10:23Because when it all happens, and he says, oh, she's double-crossed me, she's thrown me under the bus, well,
10:29she'd better watch out because I'm coming for her.
10:31And then the lie, the lie he told him, when he said, oh, I knew about the shield, I think
10:37I did.
10:38Who told you? Mina.
10:39A ghost?
10:40Mina wasn't even there.
10:42He's like, Mina?
10:43I felt for him so much.
10:45I know.
10:45I was just out of his depth and said the first thing that came into his head.
10:48Who wouldn't be?
10:49He's made a traitor, like, a few hours before.
10:50Totally.
10:51And what he should have said in that, I was screaming at the telly, when someone said, who told you
10:56about the shield, he should have said Charlotte.
10:58Charlotte, yeah.
10:58Just thrown that hand grenade straight back at her and seen how she dealt with it.
11:02But instead he said Mina.
11:03So obviously, Charlotte is really rolling with what's happening to her.
11:06So, you know, these things are being thrown up.
11:09Mina's going.
11:10She gets Freddie.
11:11She does all of this.
11:12How much of the game is instinct versus calculation, Will?
11:14What we've seen is when she'd become a traitor, she'd really come into herself and really found the role.
11:19I think as a faithful, she was up and down at times, especially at the beginning.
11:24But all of a sudden, as soon as she put that cloak on, she took a different role.
11:27She was like, I'm going for Mina.
11:28I'm going to get out of Mina.
11:29She knew that she was going to get Freddie and get him out.
11:31She fully immersed the backstabbing traitor role.
11:34And I don't think it's by accident at all.
11:37I think she's collective.
11:38She knows exactly what she's going to do.
11:41I think we didn't give her props to how intelligent she was at the beginning, I think.
11:44She was just quiet.
11:45Quiet, yeah.
11:46With a false, wild shag.
11:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:50But now...
11:51No wonder she was quiet.
11:52Yeah, she's scared to talk.
11:54She's scared she messes it up.
11:56But yeah, we've just seen her come into her element, play the game really well.
12:00And she's by far the best recruited traitor there's been.
12:03I think from what I've seen anyway...
12:04What about Ross?
12:07Sorry, Ross.
12:09I love you.
12:10Ross shares a record with Freddie for a traitor who didn't murder anyone.
12:15So Charlotte's expert treachery led to Freddie's banishment at the round table.
12:20He's going to be joining us shortly in the studio.
12:21So let's remind ourselves of his final moments in the castle.
12:25Freddie, you have received the most votes and you are banished from the castle.
12:30Before you leave us forever, please reveal, are you a faithful or are you a traitor?
12:36It has been the honour of my life playing this game.
12:39I think you're all an amazing bunch of people.
12:42I love you, Leanne.
12:43I love you, Frankie, so much.
12:49I am...
12:54a...
12:55traitor.
12:56Oh!
12:57Frankie!
12:59Go, go, go, go, Groot!
13:01Oh my...
13:07And he's here with us now.
13:09Please welcome Freddie!
13:13Welcome to Uncloaked, Freddie.
13:15Thank you so much for joining us.
13:17That's all right.
13:17Thank you for having me.
13:18What was it like standing up there, having to say you were a traitor,
13:21knowing that 24 hours beforehand you were a faithful?
13:24It was actually the worst thing.
13:25Because since the start, everyone thought I was a traitor,
13:27like going through the whole entire thing.
13:29I thought I wanted that one moment to be...
13:31say I was a faithful.
13:32To rub it in their faces.
13:32Exactly, but you've been wrong the whole entire time.
13:35In that moment when you said,
13:37I love you, Leanne.
13:39I love you, Frankie.
13:41Was that a genuine thing?
13:42Or was it an attempt to maybe...
13:44No, it was honestly...
13:45Maybe push something onto Charlotte?
13:46It was the first thing I thought,
13:48because I thought I've grown closest with these two.
13:50Like, Frankie was like my mum in there.
13:51And then Leanne was like my best.
13:52But then when you said that,
13:54it kind of does look like I've just singled out Charlotte
13:56and left it like that.
13:57It would have been amazing if you'd also said,
13:59I love you, Alexander.
13:59I love you, Jay.
14:01I might have gave it away a little bit.
14:02And then just looked at Charlotte and gone,
14:04hmm.
14:07Now, at the start of the round table,
14:09Claudia asked you to all look at each other
14:11and say, I am faithful.
14:13How did that feel?
14:15I thought you've really picked your moment to do this now,
14:17because any other time I'd have been happy
14:19looking at everyone being like that.
14:20But then obviously, because there was a trait,
14:21I was like, for God's sake,
14:23I was like, please.
14:24And obviously the mission before that as well.
14:26Like I've just been the whole entire day,
14:27it was just like trying to defend myself,
14:29but it was just dreadful.
14:30Right from the breakfast as well,
14:32that it was, it was you,
14:33it was doing the piece of the camera and saying,
14:35and now I've got to go into breakfast
14:36and I'm really bad at lying.
14:37And I was like, this is not going to go well.
14:39It didn't go well.
14:40It didn't go well.
14:41I mean, I do want to talk about this particular moment,
14:44because I think we're all obsessed with this moment,
14:46that you decided to say that someone had told you
14:49that Leanne had a shield.
14:50Well, because I was just panicking straight away.
14:52We saw.
14:54I was completely taken aback.
14:56I'm quite naive.
14:57I thought, oh, like, Charlotte will be nice to me.
14:59Like, we'll be friends or whatever.
15:00I walk in there and then I think Jake goes,
15:02oh, Leanne's a shield.
15:03And then she was like, oh, me, Charlotte,
15:05and Frankie knew.
15:06And I was like, I just looked at her and I thought,
15:07you, oh, I cannot believe that.
15:09And then it just, I just all capsized from there.
15:11And I kind of knew from that minute on,
15:12I was like, well, okay, just banish me now.
15:14And then at the round table,
15:15doubling down on that lie
15:16and saying that Mina had told you after the round table
15:19that Mina had been banished at.
15:21I was crumbling.
15:22Yeah, I think you'd already, you already knew.
15:24I kind of already thought, like, it's me.
15:26It's my time to go, I'm gone.
15:28Let's take another look at that moment.
15:30What do you mean?
15:31Well, does that mean you, someone tried to murder you?
15:33What it means is either Alexander or Freddie
15:34has tried to murder me.
15:36Well, it wasn't me.
15:40Alexander, anything?
15:41Obviously not me.
15:42Obviously, I will say that either way.
15:45I just kind of thought you used to right, right in it.
15:47I'm going to lie.
15:51Did you know she had a shield?
15:53Yeah, I think so, yeah.
15:54Oh, okay.
15:55Oh, my God.
15:57Yeah, Mina told me that you had a shield.
15:59Mina didn't know.
16:03Oh, mate.
16:04Oh, mate.
16:05I feel so bad laughing because he's right here.
16:08It's devastating.
16:09It is devastating that moment.
16:10I don't actually know why that came out of my...
16:13I think because I think straight after that clip,
16:14Alexander was like,
16:15actually, someone who has a shield could have framed us.
16:17And I thought, you're a smart man, aren't you?
16:19And then because I said that,
16:20I thought, I've got to go with my line now.
16:21But he's not been through everything you had to go through.
16:23Yeah, exactly.
16:24I'm just like, oh, I can't.
16:24From being a faithful and being suspected
16:26for the majority of the game so far,
16:28and then being, right,
16:29at least I get to make it to the end as a faithful
16:31and everyone will know,
16:32to being recruited.
16:33And you just look so downhearted when you're recruited,
16:35just went, I don't want to be a traitor.
16:37Did you genuinely believe that?
16:38Because you just said that Charlotte was going to be really nice.
16:41Did you believe that she was in the game
16:43to keep you in the game?
16:43I don't know.
16:44I'm quite naive.
16:44I was just like, I just thought, oh, maybe.
16:46Because in my thought, I thought,
16:47me and you can maybe win this together.
16:49I'm quite like, I take people at face value.
16:50I thought, okay, she said all the right things to me.
16:52Obviously, I know it's a traitor,
16:53so I know that she's just completely backstabbed me
16:55and it's like, she probably is going to backstab me.
16:57So I kind of knew that,
16:58but I just didn't think it would be the moment
17:01I walked into breakfast.
17:01I thought she might start whispering my name about
17:03a little bit and then be like, let's get Freddy out.
17:05Not like, straight away.
17:07I was like, wow, okay.
17:09Who was scarier for you?
17:10The evil clowns, the haunted dolls,
17:11or the undeadly Anne?
17:13The undeadly Anne.
17:14As soon as I saw those blonde hair walk through the door,
17:16I thought, oh my God,
17:18there's no way.
17:19There's no way.
17:20When you were asked, you know,
17:22who told you about the shield,
17:24why did Charlotte's name not come to you?
17:26I don't know.
17:27I was panicking.
17:28I just thought, I just panicked.
17:29I just thought, oh my God.
17:30I didn't want to like, I don't know.
17:32I should have just called her out.
17:32I went and said Charlotte
17:33because then she would have been like,
17:34what?
17:34I'd be like, she's lying.
17:36I think you go down in history for me as a faithful
17:38because you didn't even murder anyone.
17:40And I voted for Charlotte at the end as well.
17:42That was my little.
17:43Yeah.
17:43I was going to say,
17:44did it never cross your mind
17:45as soon as you saw it was Charlotte?
17:46Okay.
17:46I need to get rid of her instead
17:48because she's going to come for me.
17:50Yeah.
17:50But I think because.
17:51He didn't have time.
17:52But like, as soon as I,
17:53like, I just don't know.
17:54Like in my mind,
17:54if I had seen Charlotte
17:56knowing what she had done to everyone else,
17:57I would have known that I was damned.
17:59So I wouldn't have even believed her
18:00when she was telling me about the Leanne,
18:02murder Leanne.
18:03Like I would have just been like,
18:04hmm, you seem a bit dodgy.
18:06And then that whole night,
18:07I would have just come up with a way
18:07to get rid of Charlotte.
18:08Yeah.
18:09I didn't even think of it.
18:10But now looking back on it,
18:11she really did lead that Leanne charge.
18:12I was like, oh my God.
18:14Why did I not see that?
18:14She pictures it as if she's going to
18:16subtly sort of like lead you towards Leanne.
18:19But she basically tells you what to do.
18:21She has good Leanne.
18:22And obviously I've not been a traitor.
18:23So I was like,
18:23yeah, I'll do whatever you want, Charlotte.
18:25I'll do whatever you want.
18:26What about your relationship with Charlotte
18:28throughout the game?
18:29Because you said you were closest
18:30to Frankie and Leanne.
18:32Me and Charlotte did get along really well.
18:33And like,
18:34it was kind of after the whole clique argument,
18:36I kind of moved towards like Frankie,
18:37Joe and Charlotte's sort of like corner
18:39rather than the others.
18:40So we became friends through that.
18:42But then she did that to me.
18:44And now you find out she's not actually Welsh.
18:46Oh my God.
18:48I was going to say,
18:49do you know all the secrets from Leanne as well?
18:51Yeah, so I found that out now.
18:53But like,
18:54it was just,
18:54for example,
18:55with Leanne,
18:56like she's played it perfectly.
18:57Like you go in as blonde,
18:58you wear a pink blazer.
18:59No one's going to question that you're a soldier.
19:00It's really bad with stereotypes of that,
19:02but you just assume that she's the nail tech.
19:03And then with Charlotte,
19:05I just like,
19:06why would I question someone's accent?
19:08I just don't see the point of it personally.
19:09I was like,
19:10why would I ever like question that?
19:11You're not from Wales.
19:12Like that doesn't make you a traitor or a faithful.
19:14But look,
19:14a lot of people have said that,
19:15but it's worked for her.
19:17Whatever she's doing is absolutely working for her.
19:20I think she was meant to be a traitor
19:21from the very beginning.
19:22Like,
19:23I think she was kind of born a traitor
19:25and then she just lucked out
19:26to be a faithful.
19:27So you mean from the beginning of her life?
19:29From the beginning of her entire life.
19:31But I think it's such a real advantage
19:33to gain people's trust
19:34as being a pure faithful
19:35for so long.
19:36And then when you switch to a traitor,
19:38I think you're at such an advantage.
19:39So you learn both ways of acting.
19:42And then obviously she had a longer
19:44to know how to be at the breakfast table
19:46and just act totally normal
19:48than you did.
19:49And like,
19:50yeah,
19:50she's just,
19:50it's such a huge advantage.
19:52So I think she did well.
19:53And yeah,
19:54I mean,
19:54I don't know.
19:55What was your take on her
19:56when you saw her at the table?
19:57Well,
19:58I just like,
19:59I respected the craftsmanship of it.
20:00I was like,
20:01okay,
20:01this is really respectable.
20:02Like,
20:02you've played a great game here.
20:03But I just thought,
20:04I can't believe you did that to me.
20:05I was like,
20:05I thought we were friends or whatever.
20:06But obviously,
20:07this is quite a cutthroat game.
20:08Did you think about just chucking
20:09a croissant at her or something?
20:11I should have chucked several croissants at her.
20:14Why has Freddie just chucked
20:15a croissant at Charlotte?
20:16My plan was to not argue with her
20:19at all throughout the whole day.
20:20So then she thought
20:21she got away for scot-free.
20:22But I was always going to vote for her
20:23at the end.
20:24But I was like,
20:24I'll just let her think
20:25that I don't care or whatever.
20:26But I thought,
20:26I'll just vote for you
20:27regardless of whatever this outcome is.
20:28Because not all the traitors
20:29vote for traitors
20:31that have,
20:31you know,
20:32set a knife in the back.
20:33And I think,
20:34yeah,
20:34and because no one's,
20:35no one thought it was her ever.
20:37So I just thought,
20:37well,
20:38I'll just vote for you.
20:39Yeah.
20:40I think that was,
20:41when you did that,
20:42I was like,
20:42oh,
20:42that could be problematic for Charlotte.
20:44Little did I know around the corner
20:45was a way bigger problem to come.
20:47What would you have done
20:48if you was a seer?
20:49Well,
20:50I think I won.
20:51I think,
20:51going back there,
20:52I think I got quite a lot of money.
20:53So I thought I won.
20:54If I was doing it,
20:55I would either,
20:56actually after Charlotte's
20:57throwing me under the bus,
20:58I would have done her as a seer
20:59and then told everyone
21:00that she was a traitor probably.
21:02And then just throw it back in her face.
21:03Obviously she,
21:04So you are a traitor.
21:05Yeah.
21:06All in this,
21:07oh,
21:08faithful,
21:08I hated having to be a traitor.
21:10Mate,
21:10you love it.
21:11You was going to betray her.
21:12In hindsight,
21:13right,
21:13if you didn't pick Leanne,
21:14who would you have picked instead?
21:15I would have probably murdered Jake
21:16just because
21:18he,
21:19he kind of thought it was a boy.
21:20He thought it was even me,
21:21Alexander,
21:21and he was leaning more towards me
21:22every single time.
21:23So I would have just got rid of Jake.
21:24And if that maybe looks special,
21:25I would have just tried to run with it.
21:26You would have kept your allies
21:27in there as well.
21:28Yeah,
21:28exactly.
21:29So inside the castle as well,
21:31towards the end for Charlotte's gameplay now,
21:33was there any thought?
21:34Because obviously there's been women power
21:36the whole series
21:37because Jake pushing the whole male narrative.
21:39I think that's a good cover for Charlotte too,
21:42because there's been three traitors
21:43that's been caught
21:44and they're all women.
21:45So did anyone think
21:46there could be another woman in the turret?
21:48I think we all kind of
21:50wrongly decided
21:51that there'd have to be a boy in there,
21:52which is so silly
21:53when you look back on it.
21:54But Jake kept going like,
21:56oh,
21:56it has to be a boy
21:56and it's not me
21:57and it's one of you two.
21:58And obviously me and Alexander were like,
21:59well,
21:59it's not us,
21:59it must be one of you two.
22:00So then we were like fighting between ourselves
22:02when Charlotte's just getting away scot-free.
22:03But Alexander wasn't convinced
22:05there would be a man.
22:05Yeah,
22:06Alexander was quite smart.
22:07He thought,
22:08I don't know.
22:08It's quite like,
22:09and we should have probably thought like,
22:11if they started with three women,
22:13if they recruited,
22:13they're probably going to recruit another woman
22:14just to keep that girl power.
22:16But obviously you don't think of that
22:17when you're in there.
22:17I do like the boldness of Alexander saying,
22:19well,
22:19it's not me,
22:20but I would say that either way.
22:23I see where you're coming from.
22:24Yeah.
22:25You liked that,
22:25didn't you,
22:25Rose?
22:26I did.
22:28I liked it.
22:29So we're almost at the Traitors Series 3 final.
22:33I am so excited.
22:35I cannot wait to see what happens.
22:37The Frankie Sear power.
22:39This is a huge twist.
22:41It's massive.
22:41And the outcome of the final could all hang on this.
22:44But I want to ask all of you,
22:46did anyone notice this in episode nine?
22:53Oh.
22:54It's been there all along.
22:55The Easter eggs were there.
22:57Oh.
22:57I don't know what's in that book.
22:58I wonder if anyone had picked that book up and read it,
23:01they might have got the power straight away.
23:02Maybe if Yin was still in,
23:03because she read books.
23:04Well, Yin didn't get a chance.
23:05Yeah, well, Yin read the books.
23:07That's why she went.
23:08But in addition,
23:09all the way back in episode one,
23:10Claudia told the players about another twist.
23:13Let's have a reminder.
23:15Listen carefully.
23:18Those who make it to the final
23:19will no longer reveal their true identities
23:22as they leave.
23:25Instead,
23:26you will need to rely solely
23:27on your instincts
23:29as to whether any traitors
23:31are left in the game.
23:34Some classic Linda faces
23:35at the end of that clip.
23:37We talked about this a bit already,
23:38but how do we think
23:40this is going to affect
23:40the final game, Harry?
23:41It's going to be so unpredictable
23:43of what's going to happen,
23:44clearly,
23:45because I haven't got a clue
23:45what's going to go on.
23:46When it was like my series
23:48and series one with Wilf,
23:49like,
23:50you can sort of work out
23:51that there must be one traitor left,
23:52or two traitors left.
23:54So once you get that traitor
23:55who stands up and says,
23:56I'm a traitor,
23:57then you can sort of end the game.
23:59Now there's no hope
24:00of knowing who's who.
24:02So I think if anyone's got a grudge
24:04with anyone
24:04or they have one slight feeling
24:06that it's anyone,
24:07they're just going to go for them
24:08and re-vote again.
24:09Rose,
24:10who do you think
24:10this twist benefits the most?
24:12Is it the traitors
24:12or the faithful?
24:13I think it benefits the traitor.
24:16Yeah.
24:16I think so.
24:17This group feels like
24:18they go so off vibes.
24:19So if they can,
24:21to be honest,
24:22I feel like if they can get Charlotte
24:24and they've got this win
24:26off getting a traitor,
24:27I think they possibly
24:28could be like...
24:29Then they won't know
24:30Charlotte's a traitor.
24:31This is the twist.
24:32Oh, that's so true.
24:33Yeah.
24:33So this is the maddest thing
24:35about the game.
24:35Unless they're convinced
24:36by Frankie.
24:37By Frankie.
24:38So even if they get rid of her,
24:40they then don't know
24:40whether Frankie's telling the truth.
24:42Frankie should have just
24:42got another faithful in
24:43and said,
24:44look, we're both faithfuls.
24:45We can't trust anyone else.
24:46Just get rid of all of them
24:47and split it 50-50.
24:48But that's just a traitor talk.
24:49But she thinks Charlotte's a traitor.
24:50She thinks Charlotte's a faithful.
24:51Maybe that's what she was trying to do.
24:51I think that's what she was trying to do.
24:52It's going to completely backfire right now.
24:54Yeah, and now she's just
24:54caught a traitor.
24:55Do you think, though,
24:55before you left,
24:57where was the balance going towards
25:00Charlotte or Frankie?
25:01I think people would have
25:02voted out Frankie
25:03before they voted out Charlotte.
25:04Really?
25:04Yeah.
25:05Charlotte's completely undetected.
25:07Frankie's been quite quiet.
25:09Why are they still...
25:10Why?
25:10I don't know.
25:11There was a whole thing.
25:12It was like Leon versus Frankie
25:13in one of the round tables.
25:15It was either Frankie was going to go
25:16or Leon was going to go.
25:17And I think since then
25:18they started to have a bit of suspicion.
25:20She got a lot wrong, Frankie.
25:21I think that was...
25:22She's also not voted...
25:23She hasn't voted out a traitor.
25:24No.
25:24She didn't vote out Linda.
25:25She didn't vote out Armani.
25:26Will, would you have liked this
25:28twist to have been in your series?
25:29Because I think at the time
25:30you said it felt like a relief
25:32to be able to reveal
25:34your status.
25:35But do you think it might have been
25:36quite fun to not do that?
25:38No, not at all.
25:39I think the weight
25:41that lifts off your shoulders,
25:43especially like...
25:44It was so weird because I lost,
25:45but I felt like I won
25:46at the same time.
25:47I can't explain the feeling
25:48that was there.
25:49But for me,
25:50being able to say that
25:51and get it off your chest
25:53for these people to go on
25:54and play the game
25:55and win.
25:56Because obviously I knew
25:57I was the last traitor.
25:58They didn't know that,
25:59but I did.
26:00And I was like,
26:00oh my God,
26:01these guys can go and win now.
26:03But imagine not being able
26:04to do that and go,
26:06well, I've left it.
26:06You haven't left it
26:07at the end of the story.
26:09Did you feel a relief
26:10at saying you were a traitor?
26:11The greatest traitor
26:12in the world
26:13if I remember, right?
26:14That's like the trickiest
26:16question ever
26:16because obviously
26:17if I was in there,
26:18I would love this twist
26:19because it's like
26:20as long as I get to the final,
26:22no one knows
26:22how many traitors there are.
26:24So you need everyone
26:25to trust you as a traitor
26:26this time around
26:27with a twist.
26:28So I'm not too sure,
26:29but I mean, yeah,
26:30once I said I was a traitor,
26:31I obviously felt bad.
26:32It was about two minutes later
26:33you were running around
26:34outside screaming,
26:34I'm the greatest traitor
26:35in the world.
26:36With the gold coins.
26:39Now, Freddie,
26:40we have to ask you
26:40whilst you're here
26:41on Uncloaked,
26:42did you suggest
26:43the shower scenes?
26:46I wasn't against
26:47the idea of going
26:48in the shower.
26:49There was like
26:49a 50-50 decision.
26:51I said, yeah, sure,
26:52I'll get in the shower.
26:52It's really funny
26:53because normally
26:54it's people's hobbies.
26:58Freddie,
26:58what was the reaction
26:59of your friends and family
27:00when they found out
27:01that you were in the show?
27:02They were pretty shocked
27:03to be fair,
27:04so I told people
27:06when I went for three weeks
27:07because if I'm not on my phone
27:08my friends are going to be like
27:09what is going on, basically.
27:11But I told my friends
27:12I was on an MI5 internship
27:13sort of thing
27:15because there's the only
27:16other reason why
27:18because the only reason
27:19why I wouldn't be on my phone
27:20because like
27:20even if like
27:21I can think of
27:23so many other reasons.
27:24Yes, exactly.
27:25So the bad line was there
27:26from the start,
27:27you can see.
27:29Your phone was broken
27:30springs to mind.
27:32And we're there with Mina.
27:34I don't know.
27:34Who's Mina?
27:35What?
27:36Freddie,
27:36we are so sorry
27:37you missed out
27:38on the final hurdle.
27:38Delight having you,
27:39of course.
27:40We're continuing over
27:41on BBC Sounds
27:42where we are doing
27:43a countdown
27:44of the best moments
27:45of this series.
27:46We're going to get
27:46the last bits of intel
27:47on our remaining players
27:49from banished faithful
27:50turn traitor Freddie
27:51before we make our predictions
27:52ahead of the final.
27:54It's all in the bonus episode
27:55of Uncloaked
27:56in your BBC Sounds app
27:57right now.
27:58Just scan the QR code below
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28:18A massive thanks
28:19to Rose,
28:19Wilf,
28:20Diane,
28:20Harry and Freddie
28:21for joining me.
28:22And thanks to you
28:24for watching as well.
28:26The Traitors finale
28:27is tomorrow
28:27earlier than normal
28:28at 8.30pm
28:29and we'll be here
28:31joined by the entire cast
28:32plus Claudia
28:33with an extra special
28:34Uncloaked
28:35right after
28:35at 9.40pm
28:37also on BBC One
28:38and iPlayer.
28:39I'm Ed Gamble.
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