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00:00Hello and welcome to the Traders Ireland Uncloaked, the official Traders visual podcast with me, Kevin McGarren.
00:06We're down to our final five, the penultimate episode of the series did not disappoint.
00:10Like all of us, poor Faye had to learn the hard way that when it comes to estate agents, you
00:14just can't believe everything they tell you.
00:19Hey, I think it's you, I'm sorry. I feel sick putting your name down.
00:22Later on, I'll be joining the attic by Faye to get her reaction to the cruelest blindside of the series.
00:28We'll be asking Wilkin if even he knew what kind of game he was playing.
00:31And we have the unseen footage of the moment they found out who the Traders really are.
00:37That's crazy. I knew it. I knew it.
00:39This is going to break my heart. Oh my God.
00:48Tonight, I'm joined by Chris Kent and Rashida Adelecki.
00:54Guys, very welcome to the attic. Emotional episode. What were your thoughts?
00:58Yeah, it was hard, wasn't it? It was a hard watch. It really was. I'm shook after it.
01:02I can only imagine how the actual players are feeling.
01:06I was like, this is a bit much.
01:07You're shook after an hour. They're there for seven days or something.
01:11Yeah, it was mad.
01:12There was definitely a lot to unpack. I think my emotions were hiding low.
01:15And like, there's so much confusion, so much going on.
01:17And it's really trying to kind of put everything together.
01:20And you're almost screaming at them, like, come on, like, do you not see what's going on here?
01:24But I feel like it's a completely different viewpoint from them, obviously, because they don't see, like, the confessionals, the
01:31interviews and just the things that we see.
01:33So it's easy for us to be like, oh, why are you not catching on?
01:38But they get a completely different aspect.
01:39Also, we're only seeing a very small snippet of the entire day.
01:44Like, we're seeing kind of the best of, whereas if you're in there, I'd say your head is just reeling.
01:49Yeah.
01:50You're probably just looking out for every tiny little thing.
01:52Yeah, yeah.
01:53You know what I mean?
01:53I stored his tea a bit differently.
01:55Yeah.
01:56He usually takes one sugar.
01:57Why is he taking two sugars today?
01:59No, exactly.
02:00You're trying to kind of make things up from tin air.
02:02Like, oh, they can't.
02:03I know one that they use very often is they were quiet today.
02:07Yeah.
02:08And God forbid you have, you wake up feeling a bit grumpy.
02:11No, you have to keep the same.
02:13Consistent.
02:13Yeah.
02:14Persona the whole way.
02:16Yeah.
02:16Which is impossible.
02:17Yeah.
02:18None of us can do that.
02:18Exactly.
02:19Yes.
02:19And also, regardless of whether you did or didn't act differently, if someone comes up to you and says, you
02:25know, he was acting a bit different there yesterday.
02:27Yeah.
02:28Kind of puts it into your head and you're like, yeah, totally.
02:30And you're on guard.
02:31We've got to talk about the betrayal of Faye.
02:33Like, did you see that coming?
02:35No.
02:36No.
02:37Honestly, no.
02:37I didn't either because they were so, like, they convinced them that they would have her back.
02:43Yeah.
02:43They had a little click going like.
02:44Yeah.
02:45But my thing is that they didn't need to vote for Faye.
02:47No.
02:47That was where I was confused because say it would have been a halfway split for Oyan and Faye.
02:54Then, you know, it would have went to another vote.
02:57But I guess they just took the easy decision and just was like, everyone is on Faye.
03:01Let's just ride the way of.
03:02And it kind of would have made sense to split up because Oyan and Vanessa are so connected.
03:06Yeah.
03:06It kind of would have made sense because the traders always break up partnerships, you know, kind of would have
03:13made sense and keep Faye on their side because she had.
03:15And she trusted him so much to get rid of Oyan and she trusted him so much.
03:16Yeah.
03:17She had so much trust in the lads.
03:18Exactly.
03:18Why do you need to get rid of her?
03:19Exactly.
03:20Because she would have never voted for him anyway.
03:21It was strange.
03:21So that was like an ally.
03:23That was a fateful that he would have had.
03:24I was very surprised it turned on Faye.
03:27Yeah.
03:27I didn't really know much to think about that.
03:29I would love to get an explanation on why.
03:31Well, she would be here very, very soon.
03:32I don't know why that went that way.
03:34You can ask her what you think.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Faye put her trust in Nick and Ben, but she was left looking like a Trojan thinking, oh, that's a
03:40big, lovely looking, harmless wooden horse.
03:42Okay.
03:43I trust your word a lot.
03:45I trust you and Nick a lot.
03:46Maybe I'm naive, but I do.
03:48I can't say I'm back to you.
03:50I know.
03:50I know.
03:50I really, really trust you.
03:52I was 100% honest there with you.
03:53Yeah.
03:54100%.
03:54My fate being here tomorrow is in your house.
03:57Imagine if I came back around and it was five against Faye.
04:01You wouldn't do that to me.
04:03I would not do that to you guys.
04:05You're not going to do that to me.
04:06Of course, though.
04:06I wouldn't win you.
04:07You're making me paranoid.
04:08Sorry, Faye, because I'm so close to you and it kills me to do this.
04:21Faye, I think it's you.
04:22I'm sorry.
04:23I feel sick putting your name in.
04:26Well, let's dig into it all now because I'm delighted.
04:29I'm delighted to be joined by Faye.
04:35Like, what was it like sitting at that round table and your two best mates there betray you?
04:40Oh, my God.
04:41It was devastating.
04:42I remember because I had a conversation with the boys in the car and they were like,
04:45yeah, we've got you.
04:46Don't worry.
04:47Like, we'll just keep the boat going round and round and round.
04:49We won't get you out.
04:50You'll be here tomorrow.
04:51It's fine.
04:51I was like, okay, it's going to be fine.
04:53It's going to be fine.
04:53And then I was looking at Ben and I could tell he was just, like, really slow with giving
04:59his answer.
04:59And then he finally flipped it and, like, my heart just, like, sank.
05:03I was like, that's it.
05:04If he's voted me, I'm gone.
05:05Like, I knew from that second.
05:07I was like, it was like probably one of the worst betrayals I've probably ever had.
05:11It was so, so upsetting.
05:13Well, let's rub a little bit more salt on that one to see the moment you found out who the
05:18traitors really are.
05:20The traitors.
05:21This is going to break my heart.
05:23Oh, my God.
05:25I bloody knew it was Nick.
05:27Oh, he voted for me last night.
05:28Oh, my God.
05:29It's Ben.
05:30Oh, that's so sick.
05:32I can't believe something.
05:34The two of them are laughing at me, sitting in the car promising me, voting for me after
05:40saying they have my back, and they knew it was them.
05:43So disappointed in them.
05:45I'd go in there and I'd slap them on the head.
05:48Give it a big one like him, will I?
05:50It's not even worth it.
05:52You're not worth it, Nick.
05:55Good woman.
05:58Oh, God.
05:59That honestly breaks my heart watching your reaction.
06:01Like, did you trust them completely?
06:03Yeah, I don't know.
06:04I don't know how they got me to trust them so much, I guess.
06:07When I make friends, I'm just so loyal to them that I kind of expect loyalty back.
06:14And I understand it's a game, like they have to do it.
06:17But from my experience in life in the real world, it wasn't what I was used to.
06:23So I just trusted them with my life, basically.
06:26So, yeah, it was hard.
06:28Well, at least the lads did feel pretty bad.
06:43It's not easy.
06:44Not easy at all.
06:45Especially when you know she's telling the truth.
06:47And you see her kind of break down and her reaction like that.
06:51It's not a...
06:52It's terrible to see.
06:54I just feel terrible for what I've just done to Faye.
06:57She's obviously my friend.
06:59And I'd obviously never do that in real life.
07:03But, yeah, it's just...
07:06It's brutal what we have to do to proceed in the game.
07:11And it's making me feel terrible.
07:15Good girl.
07:16Oh, my God.
07:17Are you okay?
07:18Oh, it's so hard watching it back.
07:19And, like, obviously, I've left the castle and I'm like, okay, it's gone.
07:24And it's sad, it hurt.
07:25But then seeing that it actually hurt them too, it's like, oh.
07:29It's a very hard game.
07:29It's really hard.
07:31Do you kind of forget that it's a game sometimes almost in there?
07:34Because it's like a bubble, probably.
07:35Yeah, you definitely forget because the game is your reality.
07:39Yeah.
07:40So you don't know anything else.
07:43Like, obviously, you know what life is outside the castle.
07:45But you have no connection outside to the real world.
07:49And these are the only people that you can speak to.
07:52And your daily routine is castle life.
07:56So it's just so real.
07:57What will be the first thing you say to them when you see them?
08:02Oh, I'll give them a slap.
08:04And then I'll have to tell them that I know it's a game and I love them.
08:07But it's not nice.
08:10Let them know they hurt me and that they need to cop on.
08:13So when Joanna was banished last night, she said, I hope the boys win because you are all mean girls.
08:21Do you think that statement just completely threw all suspicion off the lads for good?
08:26I think it didn't help.
08:28I think from looking back on it now, we should have realised the boys are so quiet.
08:34That's exactly right.
08:35They were never quiet.
08:37They were so vocal the whole time.
08:41And as soon as they became traders, they sat back and let the girls go at each other.
08:45It was like cats and dogs between the girls and the groups.
08:48And we just ate each other alive.
08:49And looking back on it now, I'm like, why?
08:52Like, nothing actually even happened.
08:54Like, at any point, did, were you suspicious?
08:58Like, obviously, you know, accusations have been thrown out.
09:01You're defending yourself.
09:03Tensions are running high.
09:04Did at any point, did you think, God, why are the lads being so quiet all of a sudden?
09:08I don't know.
09:09I feel like it could have looked like they were just letting yous have your say.
09:14I didn't want to get involved.
09:15It played out perfectly for them, really.
09:16Suddenly they became third wave feminists.
09:18Yeah, so let them do their thing and we'll just, let's not talk.
09:22But that was the most telling sign and none of us seen it.
09:26Because your emotions are crazy.
09:27Oh, it was just when you're at the round table and someone's coming at you as well, you just see
09:31rad.
09:32You're like, okay, how do I get out of the situation?
09:34You're panicky.
09:34You can't even think about what everyone else is doing.
09:37You're like, what can I do?
09:38How can I help myself?
09:40Like, in that moment, what you really should be doing is framing around, wait, who else can I bring the
09:45heat on and get it off me?
09:46In the moment, I'm like, no, get me out of the situation.
09:48I'm panicking.
09:49I feel like it's almost forgetting we're trying to find a traitor and we're just trying to get that heat
09:54off me.
09:54Like, who else can go home tonight?
09:56That isn't me.
09:56And so many faithfuls got banished because they are caught up in a tiny lie.
10:01That's it. Yeah, exactly.
10:03Yeah, like with what happened with me and Vanessa, I think it was like completely blown out of proportion.
10:09She came to me, obviously, after breakfast and asked me if I was okay, after obviously the cough and stuff.
10:14And then she's like, oh, I heard you were talking about me potentially.
10:20And Jo told me, I go, wait, Jo told you?
10:22That's weird because Jo's saying you to me.
10:24And I'm like, hmm, it's so strange.
10:26And she's like, oh, did she?
10:27And then at the round table, she's like, I never said that.
10:28And I go, you did say that.
10:30And now we can see she did.
10:32But it's so easy to forget that that happened because there's so many conversations.
10:36So, Faye, the big question is, is there any way you could see the two boys turning on each other?
10:42No, I don't think they'd go against each other.
10:44I think they're so loyal to each other.
10:45I think the two of them would get married if they could.
10:49Honestly.
10:50Legally, they can.
10:51Yeah, they can.
10:52And they probably will.
10:55I feel like if it came down to it, if it worked out in their favor, then they'd both take
10:59the prize.
10:59But I feel if it came down to it, Nick might throw Ben on his bus.
11:03I kind of think Nick would throw Ben.
11:06I think Nick would do it.
11:07And he even mentioned, he made that comment about even if one of us win it, that's like a win
11:12for both of us.
11:13Oh, that does.
11:14I don't know.
11:15I don't know.
11:16I would have been like, what do you mean?
11:19I don't know.
11:21Well, it's all set up for a dramatic finale.
11:23Coming up after the break, we'll be joined by Wilkin.
11:26Don't go anywhere.
11:43Welcome back to Uncloaked.
11:44I'm here with Rashida, Chris, Faye, and now Wilkin.
11:50Wilkin, you are very welcome to the attic.
11:52Wilkin, first of all, have you seen this program before?
11:55No.
11:56Yeah.
11:57I am a true first time in the game, in the game, while playing the game.
12:02Faye, was that obvious?
12:04Yes.
12:06Yes.
12:07Most definitely obvious.
12:09What were some of the behind the scenes like with Wilkin?
12:11Oh, my goodness.
12:11He's so funny.
12:12It's like, I think it's in the second round table, but you can see that I, so, Will, like, what
12:16did you, what do you have to, and he goes, well, I said it to you, I said it to
12:19you, I said it to you, I said it to you.
12:21And I was like, wait, what did you say, because we don't know what you said, he said it to
12:26you, and I was like, what did you say?
12:28No.
12:28Or, like, any time he's telling his story, I was like, well, what are you saying?
12:33A to B, not A, Z, J, K, L, and B.
12:37That was one of my strategies, by the way.
12:41No, no, no.
12:42I was just brilliant.
12:44Because at the first round table, people forget, you got a lot of votes.
12:48I did.
12:49Second most.
12:49But after that, the heat was completely off you.
12:52Why do you think that was?
12:54So, because of the breakfast, I came in the next day, I'm like, I'm gone.
12:58Completely gone, I got the second most votes, you know, round table's all going to be on me, and then
13:03once they spoke to me for a few good times, it was forget Will.
13:08I think the drama between Patrick and Nina really took the heat off you, and they shifted it from you,
13:14didn't it?
13:14Yep, they did.
13:15Worked in your favor.
13:15It completely did, because I told Patrick, I'm like, I'm out tonight, I'm gone.
13:19But it's like, me and Nina, I think that's going to happen.
13:23And I was just like, no, no, it's going to be part of me.
13:27No, because I thought the was aspect was going to happen.
13:31Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:33So, who did you say that about?
13:34So, I was talking to Jo in the breakfast, and then she's asking me all these type questions, who do
13:39you suspect, and I'm just talking to her.
13:42And because of my dialect, you know, I'm from the city, I talk fast, I talk slightly different.
13:48So, I said, was, about David, she asked me, and she's like, oh, so, Joanne being the Mrs. Inspector, she's
13:56like, what's his past tense?
13:58You knew he was going to be here.
14:00In her mind, you know, so then, at the round table, that dagger started being thrown at me, so, but
14:08yeah, I'm just there looking kind of like, okay, so, this is my first round table, this is how it
14:12goes.
14:13So, I'm answering the questions as best as possible, but.
14:17So, I think the best tactic is to know nothing going into this program, and learn as you go.
14:24Because people don't see you as a traitor.
14:26Yeah.
14:27Even if he was a traitor, he would know what to do.
14:29How would I know what to do?
14:30How would I go to the next day, like, oh, I'm not killed.
14:32Yeah, so, either way, he wouldn't be killing anyone.
14:36Exactly.
14:37Well, we saw Faye's heartbreaking reaction to the traitor's true identity.
14:41It's fair to say, Wilkin, you had a slightly different take.
14:44The traitors are naked.
14:46That's crazy.
14:47I knew it.
14:48I knew it.
14:49I knew he flipped on Andrew.
14:51He flipped on Andrew.
14:52He, he got blackmailed.
14:55No, he took, yeah, he probably took it, got blackmailed, or took seduce, and then started flipping on the traitors.
15:02But I think he was doing it, like, halfway through.
15:04I don't think he's, like, the original OG.
15:07Oh, Ben!
15:09And Ben ends up to be a traitor, because that's his boy.
15:12That's his boy.
15:13That's why.
15:14Oh, these guys are good.
15:15These guys are good.
15:17Oh, that's brilliant.
15:19What do you think of the game the lads are playing?
15:20Oh, it's brilliant.
15:21It's really good.
15:22Really good.
15:23In the beginning, we were completely lost.
15:26We couldn't know who or guess who was the traitor.
15:30We all kind of just took little jabs here and there.
15:32Well, you both did amazingly well to get this far in the game.
15:35I think we can safely say it.
15:37Wilkin, the other players had an interesting take on your strategy.
15:41It would have been me or Will murdered last night, and the fact that I had the shield, like, it
15:45should be Will.
15:46It doesn't make sense.
15:47I'm not going to lie.
15:48It doesn't make sense if he's still here.
15:49He does that every time, though.
15:51Any time he goes around the table, instead of just going, it could be anyone, it could be you, it
15:54could be you, it could be you.
16:06Will was an amazing person.
16:08He was so nice, so friendly.
16:10He was just clueless sometimes, in the best way.
16:17Wilkin, you're like Oprah giving out cars.
16:20You get a murder.
16:21You get a murder.
16:22You get a murder.
16:24I thought you played a brilliant game, but was that game, The Traitors, or were you playing something else altogether?
16:30No, I actually had, like, a strategy.
16:32I was trying to look for clues.
16:33I didn't understand the game.
16:35I'm trying to learn as I go.
16:37So I'm like, okay, maybe this clue, that clue.
16:38And then when I did confuse everyone, there was clarity on the one-on-ones when I went up to
16:44them and tried to explain it to them.
16:46Ben helped out the trailer.
16:48He's like, you know what?
16:49Yeah, make it more of a point, you know?
16:52Like, go straight to the point.
16:54Don't go around in this cloud.
16:55Just go directly like lightning.
16:57I was like, okay, I understood.
16:59Yeah, maybe not the best.
17:01Yeah, exactly.
17:03The experience seemed to have been genuinely quite profound for you.
17:07This experience has been one in a lifetime.
17:09It's being an astronaut, you get sent off to a different planet to speak to different species and live until
17:16it all ends, and then they send you back to Earth.
17:19It's mind-blowing, it's phenomenal, it's unreal, but it's real.
17:25It is something that I am so thankful for to have an experience of.
17:40It is bittersweet to have gotten so far in the game only to fall at the final hurdle.
17:46Oh, it is bittersweet.
17:47Yeah, it was disappointing, you know?
17:49But it was a learning experience.
17:52Like I said, I've never been on a roundtable as a debate.
17:56Learning, the Irish people talk really, really fast.
17:59Really, really fast.
18:00You speak fast, too.
18:01Yeah, but I don't speak in correct English.
18:05I chopped up slang.
18:07So, you know, I had to learn how to...
18:09Well, look, at Cork, people are worse.
18:11I'm just going to say, I'd be out with the wazzes and then...
18:15The man was saying, she was saying, I was saying.
18:18I've been doing myself and I was over there.
18:20It's actually mad how many people said wazz as a mistake.
18:24Like, when the man's saying it at the breakfast and Callie not copping it, I'm like, Callie, wake up!
18:29Well, that's so good, though.
18:30You can see how much they're really paying attention to every single day.
18:33But I'm trying to find clues everywhere.
18:34Yeah, yeah.
18:35Like, at a tin air, just grasping onto anything they can.
18:37I think that's a brilliant clue to find.
18:38If I was actually somebody who speaks proper English.
18:43Excellent English.
18:45What other aspects of Irish people did you find challenging?
18:48Oh, the banter, you know?
18:49Yeah.
18:50The crack.
18:52The crack, you know?
18:53You're from New York.
18:54There's crack in New York.
18:56There's definitely crack in New York.
18:57Yeah.
18:57But also, like I said, in the round table, it's a different debate.
19:01And during the day, it's like, she's a sort of stranger.
19:05Faye, very amusing, very lovely girl, sweet.
19:08But meanwhile, she could be a traitor, you know?
19:12So it's so difficult.
19:13It's like out of context in real life.
19:16You don't wake up every day and be like, oh, who's guilty?
19:19Who did this?
19:19I don't walk out with my neighbor like, hey, I don't know.
19:22I'm in the car.
19:22Yeah, shum.
19:24You know?
19:25It's so it's a it's a different it's a different atmosphere.
19:28Who would you like to see win the money?
19:30Oh, this is a great question because I was so like, I want Ben and Nick to win.
19:36But now I'm like, you take that money.
19:42I would love Kelly, Oyin and Vanessa.
19:45All three.
19:46That's why I want to win.
19:47I think there's only going to be two.
19:48I think they're all going to start turning on each other a bit more.
19:50So I think if it's going to come down to two, maybe Oyin and Kelly.
19:55What would be you, Oyin?
19:57Well, the dynamic duo of Vanessa and Oyin and Ben and Nick.
20:02Kelly, she's great.
20:04She's cool.
20:04But I don't really we never really had a deep conversation.
20:07I had deep conversation with Oyin and I had deep conversation with Vanessa.
20:10So I would like to see Vanessa win it.
20:12Who do you think played the best game?
20:14Definitely Eamon.
20:15Eamon, if it wasn't for his overreaction of being such a...
20:19Yeah, I thought he was, yeah, brutal at us.
20:22Our reactions every morning was like, this has got to be the coldest person ever.
20:27I think Mark played a brilliant game.
20:29I think he was on it from the beginning.
20:31I think Nick actually did play a brilliant game.
20:35He was on the right people from the beginning.
20:38He was really good at catching things and calling people out and things at the round table.
20:42And then to be able to come a traitor and like telling us that he got recruited, said no,
20:48and then got blackmailed and take it.
20:49It was perfect.
20:50It was literally perfect.
20:52And I think because of it, he does have the potential of winning.
20:56So we'll see.
20:57So we're down to our final five.
21:00Can Oyin, Vanessa or Kelly catch Nick and Ben?
21:04I think Kelly's going to catch them.
21:05Really?
21:06Yeah, I think.
21:07Does she go with the tics?
21:07Yeah, I think she does.
21:08I think people don't realise she's really on the ball.
21:11And I think because the two boys betrayed me, I think it's going to be their downfall.
21:16I think the girls are going to hope they cop it.
21:20Like, it's just so obvious now, like looking back on it from tonight, I'm like, why didn't they say anything?
21:54Like, they're letting us all kill each other.
21:55And they're like, oh, actually, no, I'm going to just turn on my friend.
21:58Because he didn't need to do that.
22:00I think them, yeah.
22:01And that's what makes it really suspicious.
22:02Yeah, I think them turning on me is their downfall.
22:04Yeah.
22:05What do you think, Wilkin?
22:07Kelly's the wild card.
22:08It's always been Vanessa and Oyin from the very beginning.
22:10And from the very beginning, it has always been Nick and Ben, who nobody would have voted for.
22:16Nobody even suspected they would be traitors.
22:19So therefore, Kelly has a really hard choice.
22:21But she's also the only one that said Ben.
22:25So that comes with Nick.
22:26So therefore, I think, I hope she does make the right, you know, choice and pick the girls.
22:32I can see them killing her off as well.
22:34Yeah.
22:35Although it kind of would make sense to split up the partnership of Oyin and Vanessa also.
22:40I don't think they'll get the votes to win because I'm gone.
22:43If they had taken me to the final, I wouldn't have voted for them.
22:46And they would have won.
22:48And they would have won.
22:49And I think because my vote's not there, I don't know if they have it behind them anymore.
22:53I think the girls must stick together.
22:55Yeah.
22:55I think they will.
22:56I hope they can.
22:56I want the girls to, like, form a strong alliance.
22:59I want to go down to the castle with a boombox.
23:03Everything Beyonce ever recorded.
23:06Girl power.
23:09That's what we need.
23:10It could go any way, guys.
23:11Yeah, it could.
23:12Well, tomorrow night is the big one.
23:14It's the final, guys.
23:17Tune in for the last episode and join me afterwards as I'll be sitting down with Lady Mock herself,
23:22Siobhan MacSweeney, as well as all the winners and losers of the Traders Ireland 2025.
23:28I want to give a big thank you to Rashida, Chris, Wilkin, and Faye.
23:34See you tomorrow night.
23:36Slaan.
23:36Slaan.
23:38Slaan.
23:44Slaan.
23:47Slaan.
23:52Slaan.
23:55Slaan.
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