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00:06It was a quiet weekend, which was unusual for a town like Dartford.
00:14Mid-afternoon, the phone rang.
00:18The expression road rage had not long come into common usage
00:23and all of a sudden we were paying much more attention
00:27to violence on the road between drivers.
00:30I could see a red rascal van.
00:34I could also see red spots on the ground's blood.
00:43Somebody got out of their car and somebody else,
00:46another driver, has stabbed them
00:48and then got out of there as quickly as possible.
00:51It's not just a punch-up between drivers.
00:55It's a murder.
01:01It happened in public. It was in the cold light of day.
01:05I think it shocked people.
01:07The victim had a very young girlfriend.
01:09She was only 17 and she was the one that was driving the car.
01:13There is a viable threat against her life.
01:17She's gonna have to be taken into witness protection.
01:25He was a violent, nasty man.
01:28A man with criminal underworld connections.
01:32If you interfere with his criminality, you pay the price.
01:36He had a reputation and he was dangerous.
01:43He was basically whisked out of the country after the murder.
01:47He took a helicopter to somewhere in France,
01:50leased a Learjet.
01:52That flew him down to the Canary Islands.
01:55I don't wish to give him much credit, but I have to say,
01:58he certainly used a lot of imagination.
02:01He thinks he can beat anything.
02:03He thinks he's above the law.
02:05He thinks he's above everyone.
02:08Noy's disappearance after the killing led to one of the biggest manhunts ever undertaken.
02:15Fugitives nearly always get tracked down,
02:17especially if they are wanted as badly as he was by the British police.
02:43When I was in my twenties, a couple of friends had joined the police
02:46and they were telling me what a wonderful job it was.
02:49Applied for the Kent police and joined on the 13th of September, and only 68.
02:55I was eventually promoted to detective superintendent in Kent as an investigator.
03:02Some people say you're dealing with obviously dreadful scenes.
03:05There's nothing I can do for a victim of murder, but I can do plenty for the family to try
03:10and bring justice.
03:13I always wanted to be a police officer.
03:16I joined the Kent County Constabulary and I was appointed as a detective when I was 22,
03:23transferring on to major crime teams as a young detective,
03:26working with people who are professionals through and through at all ranks of the force.
03:31You have a passion to do this type of work.
03:39At that point in time, I'd been appointed as a detective chief inspector.
03:44And on that particular weekend, mid-afternoon, the phone rang,
03:50and it was our force headquarters control room that said to me that the duty superintendent
03:55has requested your immediate attendance at a stabbing which had taken place on the M25.
04:05I got out of my car straight away and there were several uniformed officers close by.
04:11And I said to them, close up the Silk Roads, you know, don't let anybody into the actual roundabout again.
04:20It was a danger to the staff who were starting their work there.
04:23I could see that there was a red rascal van.
04:30I could also see red spots on the ground close by.
04:37That concerned me greatly because we had to protect that.
04:40Because if there was one spot of offender's blood there, then that would be fantastic evidence.
04:46But it was all the victim's blood, that victim being Stephen Cameron.
04:52Stephen tragically died without really recovering in any shape or form.
04:57Straight away we knew we had a murder investigation.
05:03I then spoke to my senior senior crime officer.
05:05Get your team to do a walkthrough.
05:07So if there's anything obvious there, then we can identify quickly
05:12and actually secure that evidence.
05:15I did a press release right up there on that roundabout.
05:18We're still obviously interviewing witnesses at the moment
05:20and I'm not able to give you any more details on that at the moment.
05:24I was off for the weekend and my pager went off,
05:27so I made a phone call to a contact in the press
05:30who told me that there'd been an incident on the M25.
05:36I turned the television on and then on the rolling news
05:40there was a photograph of the scene.
05:42I recognised it immediately.
05:45We set up an incident room.
05:47My colleague was organising the post-mortem that night.
05:51At that stage, I could not be the SIO to lead this inquiry
05:56because I had a major murder trial starting the following morning
06:00and I knew my colleague Nick Bittis was taking this particular investigation on.
06:13Stephen's in the passenger seat with Danielle and Stephen's fiancée in the driving seat
06:19and as they approach this motorway, a person driving a Land Rover Discovery
06:25took umbrage at the way in which she had driven up to the traffic lights
06:29and cut across the front of the rascal van.
06:33There's obviously some sort of gesticulation done by Stephen.
06:38The driver gets out of the Land Rover Discovery, clearly looking for a confrontation.
06:44Stephen tells Danielle,
06:46stay in the vehicle, I'll deal with this.
06:50There's an exchange of blows, of which Stephen starts to get the better of.
06:56Stephen thinks it's all over, turns around to get back in the rascal van
07:00and at that, Danielle shouts to him,
07:02Steve, it looks like you've got a knife.
07:06And he is stabbed twice.
07:09The Land Rover Discovery driver gets back in his vehicle and goes, disappears.
07:18He wasn't certified dead at the scene, the ambulance attend.
07:23Ken and Tony, Stephen Cameron's parents, his girlfriend Danielle,
07:27they all went to the hospital.
07:30And we're given the news.
07:36My job was to deal with all policing matters, all matters of criminal justice.
07:42It was a very competitive environment.
07:46There weren't many people like me around.
07:48You know, there were only sort of really one or two on every national newspaper title.
07:54From various police sources, we discovered that the name of the person
07:58who'd been stabbed was Stephen Cameron.
08:01He was just a young man, 21 years of age.
08:05He was a happy-go-lucky individual.
08:08He was a hard worker.
08:09He set his own business up with a friend.
08:12He was an electrician.
08:13And was somebody who cared about his family, cared about Danielle, and loved life.
08:20They were a pretty ordinary family.
08:22And they were thrown into what was an absolute horrendous situation.
08:32Stephen lays dying in the gutter at the road on the side of the traffic lights.
08:38He had the presence of mind to tell Danielle to get the registration number of the vehicle.
08:44Danielle was in such a dreadful state, shocked.
08:48She didn't manage to do that.
08:51But Danielle was aware that it was an L-reg.
08:54So the best we could get was an L-reg to Land Rover Discovery.
08:58Police put an appeal out and there were people that came forward.
09:02And of course, people only saw bits of what was going on.
09:05Well, they probably described a couple of blokes having a fight.
09:09None of them saw all of what happened, like Danielle did,
09:12because she had a front row seat, if you know what I mean.
09:15Nobody knew what the registration number of that vehicle was.
09:20Cops did a big search. No murder weapon was found.
09:25The scene was basically where the van was, and that was it.
09:30It's not typical in the UK for people to carry weapons in their vehicles.
09:35That raises some red flags, because that means that somebody is carrying a weapon with them pretty normally at all
09:44times.
09:45Is this somebody with a propensity for violence?
09:49There's a CCTV camera at the junction that wasn't working that day.
09:54Talk about bad luck.
09:56We were left in a situation of a black hole, so to speak.
10:08On this particular week, there's not much happening, but two national newspapers took this on.
10:13They dubbed it the road rage.
10:17The problem you've got is if you've got national newspapers running a national appeal, you're going to get people ringing
10:24up from the north of England, Scotland, Wales.
10:27So a lot of information coming in that needed to be looked at in those early stages.
10:34We didn't know whether it was a local vehicle or whether it was a vehicle that came from anywhere in
10:38the UK.
10:39In the first 24-48 hours of any case, if you haven't got a suspect or somebody who you can
10:47readily identify as being the person that you want, you know that you'll be struggling.
10:59About a week to ten days after the event, a name had been put into the system that they said
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13:19Back in the 80s, I was working with the Flying Squad and the other investigating teams
13:24who were really at the cutting edge of looking at serious crime.
13:35Brink's Map was a bullion company.
13:38It had a large warehouse at Heathrow where it had stored 26 million pounds worth of gold bullion
13:45and a lot of other highly valuable precious metals.
13:50It had been subject to a very, very audacious armed robbery, the largest armed robbery in history.
13:57There was some professionalism in a criminal sense about it,
14:02that there's only a very few people in the country who are capable of pulling that off.
14:07And the police knew that, of course, as well.
14:18McAvoy and Robinson both stood trial the following year, 1984, at the Old Bailey.
14:24They both denied involvement.
14:26They were both convicted and sentenced to 25 years in prison apiece.
14:34The conviction was very important.
14:37It was a turning point in the investigation in many respects, but the gold had not been recovered.
14:44The word from my friends at Scotland Yard was that they would have to find a way to disguise that
14:51gold,
14:51and that would mean having to take it to somebody who could smelt it down.
14:57Scotland Yard had information that Noy had been involved in the handling and distribution and conversion of a large part
15:07of the Brink's Map gold.
15:09Noy comes to be regarded as something of a trader, someone who can acquire and move goods around.
15:17And that's how he comes to be regarded and known in criminal circles.
15:23His social circle is one that facilitates all sorts of opportunities to make money.
15:31Additionally, he does know legitimate business people, people who are making money, people who have investment portfolios and properties.
15:40And those connections are important if you want to be successful in the 1980s in the criminal marketplace.
15:48Resources were being heavily deployed around Noy.
15:59I had never heard of Kenneth Noy until January 1985, when we got the word that a horrendous incident had
16:09happened.
16:16In 1985, I was a detective sergeant at Dartford Police Station.
16:23Round about quarter to seven, I had a phone call to say that a police officer had been stabbed in
16:30a grounds of a property in West Kingsdown.
16:35I arrived at the scene, there were ambulances there, all with blue lights flashing.
16:41There were a lot of people about, a lot of them wearing baseball caps with Metropolitan Police on them.
16:46And I thought to myself, this is bad news.
16:52Two police officers had been part of a surveillance detail that was looking at a man called Kenneth Noy.
17:00We started to hear from the team that something had gone really badly wrong and initially that John Fordham had
17:08been injured.
17:09I decided to divert myself to Swanly Police Station and once I arrived there, the phone rang, this is Queen
17:17Mary's Hospital, ringing up to tell you that the police officer has died.
17:25John was about ten years older than me and he had seen a bit of life, he had travelled, he
17:31had a family.
17:32He was a kind of a really steadying influence on a lot of us, probably including me.
17:38He had enormous respect from everybody that worked with him and he was a surveillance officer, he was good at
17:48it.
17:49At that time, the surveillance teams were looking at other techniques, including developing something called CROPS, a close rural observation
17:58post.
17:58It was dangerous, it was highly risky, but it meant that you could get surveillance officers much closer to targets.
18:08The report was that John Fordham and another surveillance officer had been in the grounds of Noy's home.
18:16Dogs had been let out, they had been discovered.
18:20Noy had stabbed John Fordham and that John had died of his injuries.
18:27The reaction was incredulity, anger, just simply stunned as to how this could happen because we all knew that John
18:39was unarmed.
18:40It wasn't an aggressive role, he was there to look, listen and report.
18:46There was a sense of disbelief that it could have happened.
18:50It was hard to take in, to be frank, even as an experienced crime reporter who, you know, had seen
18:56everything.
18:57I was shocked to hear this.
19:01Noy was arrested at the scene immediately.
19:05We expected him to be charged with murder.
19:08We wanted to see justice done for John.
19:20I think we knew from the outset that the only defence that he could possibly run would be one of
19:26self-defence, but he was stabbed ten times.
19:31Stabbed in the back.
19:32The brutality, the sheer savagery of the attack on him crystallised in our minds.
19:40This was not somebody quickly reacting.
19:44This was a continued brutal assault.
19:47Quite frankly, it was hard to see how this couldn't be a murder.
19:52I had a number of colleagues who were, you know, personal friends of John Fordham.
19:57They were grieving, they were angry.
20:02We found out the verdict by a telephone call to the yard.
20:07It was stunned disbelief.
20:12Did you say not guilty?
20:15Everybody was just completely shocked.
20:32The fact that Noy then walked away laughing from this murder charge was a terrible blow to everybody, I think,
20:41who believed in justice.
20:44He'd been found not guilty of the murder, but he was then going to stand trial for handling some of
20:51the proceeds of the Brinks Mount robbery.
20:53Gold bars were found in his garden.
21:15I don't think any of us thought that that would be the last that we would hear of him.
21:28I decided that we would look at L-registered Land Rover discoveries, because by now we've got a great big
21:34pile of paper showing us where all Land Rover discoveries are registered.
21:38And one local search went out to a man called Anthony Francis.
21:46We find out from information that Anthony Francis is a name that Kenny Noy had used in the past.
21:59Noy was a complex character.
22:02He was a social climber, without a doubt.
22:06He was a boy from very working class roots in South London.
22:10But he had attempted to create an image for himself as being respectable, middle class, but at heart he'd always
22:20been a criminal.
22:23This man had done his time, been in prison, but now was very much running his criminal empire, getting other
22:29people to do the dirty work.
22:31Would he really get involved in such an event?
22:37Fairly quickly I heard that Kenneth Noy was a suspect and it immediately resonated with me that there was Noy
22:45with a knife yet again.
22:48It was born out of hubris.
22:52If Stephen had gesticulated to him, more or less indicating that he thought he was not a very good person,
22:58he wouldn't take that.
23:00When he could then go to the house, the vehicle that's actually on the driveway is not the Land Rover
23:07Discovery that Kenny Noy had been using.
23:11The very next day from the murder, a Land Rover Discovery was bought for cash at a car dealership in
23:20North London and deposited on the driveway of Kenny Noy's house, put there as what I call a doppelganger.
23:28Dennis Noy was a criminal, don't forget, he knew about forensics and he would have been forensically aware and would
23:35have made sure, first of all the vehicles got rid of, the knife would have been got rid of and
23:40any clothing that he wore at the time would have been got rid of in order to have no evidential
23:48link with him and Stephen Cameron at the scene.
23:53You've still got to do some trace and eliminate other potential suspects to make sure that you're not seen to
24:00be just focused on him and nobody else and you weren't prepared to be open minded.
24:05But it was patently obvious having done that, that he was not just a person of significant interest, but to
24:12us, potential suspect.
24:15At that stage, you make inquiries of informants, of people who knew Noy or knew of him. Does anybody know
24:24where he is?
24:26Danielle was the primary witness. She gave a fairly good description of the person. He fitted the profile roughly of
24:33the age given and he was a significant person that we would want to speak to.
24:40The hot rumours were that the police were already in possession of information that said that within a few hours
24:47of the killing of Stephen Cameron, Noy had left the country.
24:53When we found out he had just disappeared. He'd had, if you like, eight to ten days of a clear
24:59run. And he was able to get out of the country without any impediment really, without us even realising that
25:08this was the man that we would be looking at very quickly.
25:15We couldn't find him. We couldn't find him. We didn't know where he'd gone. And I'm now thinking whoever I'm
25:21going to get to go look for him or find him could be in danger.
25:26He had killed a police officer. Of course, I'm conscious of that. And it didn't sit easy. I tell you,
25:34it did not sit easy at all.
25:36I didn't want any publicity with regard to him because I knew that once his name gets mentioned, because he
25:44was a notorious criminal, it was a free-for-all.
25:50It was the news of the world who actually broke the story.
25:57It was absolutely livid. No matter who the defendant is, they're entitled to a fair trial.
26:03And, of course, Kenneth Noy will scream like a stuck pig that, as far as he's concerned, it was the
26:10police, Metropolitan Police, Kemp Police,
26:13who were out to fix him up for this murder on the basis of what he'd done to John Fordham
26:19some 11 years earlier.
26:20Now, that wasn't true, but, of course, the perception being you killed a policeman and, therefore, anything is game.
26:33It was, like, now elevated up to a new big story and it was a question of, if he's left
26:39the country, where is he?
26:42We knew that he had associates who were in various places abroad.
26:49The credible theories about where he might be tended to be Cyprus, Spain, possibly Portugal and possibly Florida.
27:00We made inquiries. We had more sightings of Kenneth Noy in the world than there were countries half the time.
27:07There were fanciful stories cropping up all over Fleet Street at that time.
27:11There were people who said he was down in Brazil getting a facelift.
27:16I was told he was even dead. I said, well, unless I see his dead body and get the fingerprints
27:20off it, I won't believe you.
27:21If you think I'm going to swallow that one, no.
27:24Being part of a criminal organization or a gang is a whole entire subculture.
27:30The rules and the societal norms that apply to us do not apply to them.
27:36It's not just about the contacts and connections that you have, but it's about your ability to access money and
27:45loans, to use the resources of others.
27:47Can you get fake driving licenses, change vehicles quickly and frequently, obtain identity documents in other people's name?
27:58He doesn't live his life on the radar the way you and I live our life on the map.
28:04Everything is very calculated. Everything is very one step ahead.
28:10At the height of the investigation, I think Kent police were under a lot of pressure.
28:15They clearly knew that he was outside of their grasp quite quickly.
28:21He'd gone abroad. He was going to stay abroad. He was a slippery customer.
28:26It was not going to happen quickly.
28:29With the passing of the months, the interest in this case naturally diminished.
28:35We just knew that somewhere along the line, and probably at very short notice, this is going to take off
28:42again.
28:48In the first year, I would see Ken and Tony probably every fortnight, and Danielle once a month.
28:56I would keep in constant contact with her.
29:00Daniel was as close to the event as you could be.
29:03What we needed to do, if we could find where Kenny Noy was, is get her to do an identification
29:11as to whether or not he's the person who killed her fiancé.
29:22When the information came in about Spain, I thought, well, I'll send two lads out there who knew Kenneth Noy.
29:29And a few days later, they rang up and they said, it's him. It's definitely him.
29:35I said, right, come home, come back now. I'll work a plan out in order that I can make sure
29:43that we get a proper identification, proper evidence.
29:50I've been a career prosecutor all my life. I started in Kent on the 1st of April 1980, All Fools
30:01Day, as a prosecuting solicitor.
30:03And then in 1986, the Crown Prosecution Service was established, so I transmogrified into a Crown Prosecutor.
30:12Elizabeth Howe was very supportive.
30:15You have codes of procedure that have to be followed very, very carefully.
30:20Otherwise, it's an opportunity then to challenge the identification.
30:25Nick Biddus rang me and said, could he see me?
30:29The decision was made to have a covert identification of him in a public place.
30:36Of course, the whole thing had to be done in great secret.
30:41We had to make sure that not only was Danielle safe, but those officers that are with her and doing
30:49this operation are as safe as could be in the circumstances.
30:54As a uniformed inspector, I'd been doing ID parades for years.
30:59But I'd never been, you know, asked to go out to a European country and carry out a covert parade
31:07with a civilian witness.
31:12I said, it might not be feasible.
31:15If I carried out an identification procedure with Danielle, and she failed to identify the suspect, then that would be
31:23that.
31:24There's no best of two or best of three, because it wouldn't hold water in court.
31:30The police need too much to say that.
31:32But I said, no, that's the score.
31:34One hit.
31:37The first I saw Danielle is when we knocked at the door and invited her into the car.
31:42She immediately asked where we was going.
31:45She's natural.
31:46And I told her that I could tell it was Gatwick Airport.
31:49And that's all I could tell at the moment.
31:52It was scary for her, and she was a very strong young lady.
31:58I had no worries whatsoever that she could do what we asked of her.
32:06My colleagues told me where his mansion was.
32:10And that's how we did it, day after day.
32:13Hours of waiting for him to come out of his house.
32:17I had to make sure that Danielle was out of harm's way all the time.
32:22He had to be in an area where there was groups of people.
32:27Then about seven o'clock, he comes out and turns onto the main road.
32:32And with people in the vehicle.
32:34Don't know who they are.
32:35So it's game on.
32:39I'm now telling Danielle this could be it.
32:43Was she still willing to go with me?
32:47She said yes.
32:50As I passed this massive restaurant on the right-hand side,
32:53there's quite a substantial number of cars out on the unlit frontage to this restaurant.
32:59And there in the middle of them is Noyes' car.
33:03The place was heaving.
33:05So I explained to Danielle that I don't want you to keep on talking to me,
33:08but only nod or say yes if you've seen someone.
33:13She didn't say anything.
33:14So we then walked up into the restaurant.
33:19She still didn't say anything.
33:21We walked into the bar surgery.
33:23There was an open window that looked back into the restaurant.
33:28She looked to the right, practically by the window itself.
33:35You could see her eyes start to go.
33:38And she stood back and she said yes, she's there.
33:43Lucky enough, he had his back to the whole restaurant.
33:46And we slowly walked out, walked past Noyes.
33:51Danielle started to get very distressed.
33:54We practically frog marched her into my car.
33:57We phoned Nick and told him, being a success.
34:01I was happy with the parade.
34:03I thought, that's watertight.
34:09It's like winning the lottery, I suppose.
34:10It was more than that.
34:11It was a eureka moment.
34:14We were flying by the seat of our pants out there all the time.
34:20She knew, and I knew, when we got back to Dartford that night,
34:24that her life was going to change drastically.
34:32Danielle has to make a statement.
34:35I then consider whether or not it was sufficient
34:38to enable me to authorise a provisional arrest warrant,
34:42which would then have enabled the arrest to take place in Spain.
34:46If there's a flight risk, as there was in this case,
34:50then that is executed very quickly,
34:53obviously without notice to the person to whom it is directed.
34:59Within a couple of days, he was arrested in Spain
35:02by the Spanish police.
35:06It was elation.
35:07I mean, there's a court trial that needs to go on.
35:09We've got the extradition procedure.
35:12So, yeah, we can enjoy this little moment,
35:15but there's a long way to go.
35:18A few weeks after she'd done the identification,
35:22there is a viable threat against Danielle's life.
35:28It has been evaluated
35:30and she's going to have to be taken into witness protection.
35:34I've now got a few weeks to go before I retire,
35:37and I said, look, it would be nice
35:39if I could possibly just say goodbye to Danielle.
35:44That's the last time I saw her.
35:50Once Nick had handed it all over to me,
35:53it was quite a daunting job to try and get myself up to speed
35:57with everything that had happened since the beginning of that inquiry.
36:04Dead on nine o'clock, I went into the briefing room.
36:07Everybody was there.
36:08Everybody was ready for action.
36:17The information was that the known associate of Kenneth Noy
36:20may have used his helicopter to facilitate Noy's escape out of the country.
36:26That pilot would not speak to the police at the time.
36:30We identified where he was now living on the other side of the world
36:34and that he would never be coming back to the UK.
36:37He says, I'll give you a copy of my helicopter log
36:40and a flight plan that we took on that day.
36:44And included on that was the passenger, Kenneth Noy,
36:47who was sporting a black eye at the time.
36:50So that would say that he'd been involved in the fight,
36:52he's panicking, and he's leaving the country.
36:57Basically, Kenneth Noy then went on a Blair jet
37:00and flew down to the Canary Islands.
37:04Kenneth Noy's probably got more resources than a lottery winner.
37:10That's how he managed to get away with it.
37:12He was buying his way through with the money he had
37:15and the assets he had.
37:19A young man who washes cars in the area where Kenneth Noy lived.
37:25He made a statement, basically say that he cleans his and Kenneth Noy's wife's car.
37:30And on many occasions, he would look in the glove compartment
37:34and there was always a knife.
37:37We had the evidence from a man who witnessed the actual incident.
37:41And he saw the knife in the glint of the sunshine,
37:45the older man stabbing once, stabbing twice into the boy.
37:50And then went and drove off.
37:55We started to look at the registration number.
37:59We had a message from a lady who basically said
38:02that she saw a Land Rover Discovery go into a scrapyard
38:07around the time of that ensign.
38:09And it's just little pieces of the jigsaw puzzle
38:12all started to come together again.
38:21Extradition is a government-to-government request.
38:25My responsibility was, in conjunction with the Kent police,
38:29to prepare the extradition request.
38:32The Spanish authorities just want to see there is a case to answer here.
38:36They don't want to look at the evidence.
38:38That's for the British court to deal with.
38:41Dennis and I went over to Madrid, where the extradition proceedings were being conducted,
38:48in order to demonstrate how important we thought the case was.
38:51We didn't actually have any direct contact,
38:53but we were able to hear that Kenneth Norway denied that he had been there,
38:57that it was not him.
39:01After his arrest, the police kept plans to move him back to the UK pretty tight and quiet,
39:09because they knew that he would get, you know, a very expensive lawyer in,
39:12he would have a good team around him to defend him.
39:15As we expected, Norway did not come quietly.
39:19He appealed against attempts by British police to bring him back to face trial.
39:25We got the go-ahead to get Kenneth Norway back after he lost his appeals.
39:30And the press wanted to know, when was he coming back?
39:35And we didn't want Kenneth Norway's photograph anywhere in the press at all.
39:47When Kenneth Norway eventually came back,
39:49the firearms team were there waiting for him,
39:51into the armoured truck, all the way up to Dartford in 40 minutes,
39:55you know, with blue lights flashing and nothing was going to stop them.
40:09The trial began on the 30th of March,
40:11and it lasted almost exactly two weeks.
40:15We had a closed court because there were security issues.
40:19So we had armed police at the entrance.
40:25The jury was sequestered.
40:27That means that they were put up in a hotel and they were kept under protection,
40:33so that there was no risk that they would be contaminated in any way
40:38by any external influence.
40:42Stephen Cameron's parents were there throughout.
40:45They conducted themselves in a very restrained manner.
40:50The thrust of the prosecution case was very much establishing
40:53that it was him that was at the scene.
40:56For murder, you have to demonstrate, beyond all reasonable doubt,
41:01that the defendant either intended to kill
41:04or intended to commit grievous bodily harm.
41:10Danielle was a very important witness.
41:15The way in which Danielle gave her evidence was very compelling
41:20and was crucial to him being shown to be the aggressor rather than Stephen.
41:27It was only really when we were actually in court
41:30that it became apparent that he was going to admit that he was there
41:34and that he was going to raise self-defense.
41:38We were all somewhat surprised when he introduced the fact
41:42that he had been acquitted of the murder of John Fordham
41:47and that he carried a knife because he was concerned about retaliation.
41:56In my heart to hearts, I was convinced we'd done enough.
42:02Sometimes juries can be out for days and days and days,
42:04but they came back the following day.
42:12You take a knife to a fistfight, then you've got to answer for consequences.
42:17Unfortunately, the jury didn't believe him this time
42:20and found him guilty of murder.
42:24Ken and Tony were in tears.
42:27They'd lived through four years of turmoil,
42:30still wanting justice for their son
42:33and hoping that the court would deliver it.
42:38Justice for Stephen Cameron was done, without a doubt.
42:42He tried everything he could to avoid justice,
42:45but it all failed in the end and he went down for a life sentence.
42:50And it is really interesting how the circle of life comes around
42:55sometimes with people like Noy.
42:59It's very plausible to think that Noy thought he would get away with this.
43:04He was insulated in his criminal organization.
43:07He had financial means.
43:09He had gotten away with killing someone in the past.
43:13Now, granted, the legal system had determined that it was self-defense,
43:18but in his mind, somebody who has criminal thinking, criminal tendencies,
43:22and probably psychopathic traits, he's likely interpreted that as,
43:27I can kill and I can get away with it.
43:31He had a life sentence with a recommendation of 21 years.
43:34He served 19 years.
43:35But he did mount a number of appeals after his conviction,
43:40none of which were successful.
43:59I believe what Danielle did was absolutely amazing.
44:02For a young lady, she was brave.
44:05I can't sing her praises too highly.
44:07She is somebody who deserves better than being in witness protection.
44:12Tony Cameron died.
44:13And then, more recently, it was just too much for Ken.
44:17And Ken took his own life.
44:21Absolutely heartbreaking.
44:22Really, really is.
44:24This particular case is similar to a lot of other cases.
44:28And it's all to do with the victim.
44:31Tragic, absolutely tragic for Stephen.
44:33It really is.
44:34But there are other victims.
44:37Danielle's a victim.
44:38Ken and Tony, victims.
44:42You look back, and I think of John Fordham.
44:45And I think of John's wife, his children.
44:48They're always victims in my mind.
44:51I want people really to remember Stephen Cameron and his family.
44:57Not Kenneth Nye, the murderer, the villain.
45:00But Stephen and his family and Danielle.
45:04I never met Stephen, obviously, but I met a lot of his friends
45:07who absolutely thought he had life ahead of him.
45:12And he's, unfortunately, of course, lying in a grave,
45:15which is not really justice as far as I'm concerned,
45:18when the man who did it is out and about.
45:25And we deep dive into more complex cases
45:27and remarkable manhunt operations.
45:30Stream Killer on the Run on 5.
45:33Next, Crime of Passion, The Trial of Jane Andrews.
45:52Part 2
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