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00:00Previously on Sister Wives, One-on-One.
00:04When we bought Coyote Pass,
00:07it was the dream for the family to be out there.
00:09And it was all about us being together as a family.
00:12And so it was really hard for me to give up on it.
00:14Well, she feels like she's betraying the family if she sells.
00:17Yeah, that's bull .
00:18Like, I think that's just what she, I think that's what she thinks.
00:20That's the role she has to play.
00:22Do you feel like you leaving Coyote Pass on the table
00:24was the best thing that you ever did?
00:26I know without a doubt.
00:28Her sanity is worth more than money.
00:30Yep.
00:31We had a verbal offer for a very, very long time.
00:34Janelle was worried about losing the buyer.
00:36And so Janelle's pushing me.
00:38Hey, we'll just sell it out from under these other two.
00:40Coyote said, well, I could sell it without Mary's consent.
00:43I'm like, well, you could.
00:45Janelle said you could sell it without Mary's consent.
00:47But you could. You could sell it.
00:49You could sell all of the pieces.
00:51Oh, Teflon queen here.
00:53She's trying to act like this wasn't her idea.
00:55Your reaction to that?
00:57Oh, I can't do or say my reaction on national TV.
01:03Robin hadn't chimed in at all.
01:05And at the very end, she comes with a completed document for us to sign.
01:09Oh, it was all about silencing me.
01:11They didn't want me to talk.
01:12I will not be silenced anymore.
01:17This is Sister Wives One on One.
01:21They wanted you to sign a contract about the sale of Coyote Pass, but then add a NDA?
01:29Yeah, they didn't want me to.
01:31Confidentiality clause.
01:32A confidentiality clause about the sale of Coyote Pass or about everything?
01:37What are we talking about?
01:38Well, we were also talking about, because there is the discussion about Robin's house and the money that I contributed and loaned for that.
01:47With my contribution, whatever word he wants to put to it, they bought the house that was for them.
01:57And then, you know, it doubled in value when they sold it.
02:02Yay them.
02:03Also, I think that's a completely separate topic.
02:08And I don't think they need to be merged.
02:11So he wanted to merge them into one contract, including the same NDA?
02:15Yes.
02:16When we went to parceling out the property, there was agreements that hadn't been settled.
02:22Janelle and Mary had gifted money to me and Robin to purchase Robin's house.
02:29Mary's house, the proceeds from her house in Las Vegas were half mine, okay?
02:35And so they wanted their 25% of Coyote Pass, but I had put extra money in it.
02:42And they wanted to be paid back for their gift for Robin's house, but I hadn't been compensated and we couldn't negotiate.
02:50So there's a lot of moving parts with this, what you're talking about.
02:54Yes.
02:55So let's try and simplify it as much as we can, right?
02:57Okay.
02:58So both Janelle and Mary wanted the money that they put into Robin's house, right?
03:03Yeah.
03:04The money that they gifted for Robin's house.
03:06Right.
03:07They wanted that money back.
03:08So in the end, you were able to get Janelle the money that she felt she was owed and she was good with that.
03:16Yeah.
03:17Mary still wanted her money from one of the proceeds that she put into Robin's house.
03:22So her and I have a negotiation for what she is owed versus what I am owed.
03:28So you and Mary still need to negotiate that.
03:30Yes.
03:31Along with the money that was put into Robin's house.
03:33Yes.
03:34So you're in the process of negotiating those two things as well.
03:37We haven't really done it.
03:38I've just told Mary on the phone, hey, listen, we're going to take care of this.
03:41We always intended to take care of it.
03:43It was a process of like, you know, Mary and Janelle both put money into my home down payment.
03:50We had already made Janelle square.
03:53She said 100% we were square with her, but Mary hadn't.
03:58And so she was worried about that.
04:00We were trying to like work this all out.
04:03There was this back and forth situation.
04:05We talked about a non-disclosure because it was like, let's not fight about finances publicly.
04:11So we were sitting there waiting for all of this to get figured out.
04:15Mary was trying to get to a place where she felt comfortable.
04:18Some of the things that she was asking for didn't feel fair, you know?
04:22And so it was like us kind of going back and forth and trying to make sure this was all taken care of.
04:27So if you were going to eventually take care of it.
04:31Yeah.
04:32Mary was then Mary refusing to sign this.
04:35Mary didn't like the non-disclosure.
04:37She was worried that it was going to some sort of gag order on her.
04:41And she was not comfortable with that.
04:44And then also just going back and forth a little bit with like considering the money that Cody and I put into Coyote Pass that they hadn't put into Coyote Pass.
04:55She didn't want to consider that.
04:57And then her wanting all of the money from her house proceeds when Cody and her own the house jointly.
05:04You also had to sign an NDA too?
05:06Well, we all signed it, but apparently it's not being honored.
05:10He's going to talk about it, so I guess it's not being honored.
05:13But Mary didn't sign it.
05:15Well, part of the agreement was that she wouldn't be able to pursue for her lost money.
05:20Okay.
05:21So the money that she gave, the money that you're talking about, the lost money, is the money that went into buying Robin's house.
05:27Yes.
05:28And that was part of this agreement that Robin came in at the last minute, like two days or three days before the contract expired.
05:35And said, oh, I'm not going to sign or do this title work until you sign this agreement.
05:39And it was totally a power play.
05:42Like it was like days before the contract was due to expire.
05:46The offer wasn't going to expire.
05:48Why wasn't it put on the table right away?
05:50It was put on the table right away.
05:51So the nondisclosure was already part of the deal.
05:54It was when it was sent.
05:56In the very beginning when it was sent, it was in that original document.
06:00So why is Janelle calling this a power play by you?
06:04Because she got caught backstabbing Mary, I guess. I don't know.
06:08This is what she does when, I don't know. It's just what she's doing.
06:12So it's not true.
06:14Robin never was a party to like some hold up.
06:20That was me saying, we're not signing this till we've got an agreement.
06:24And Mary said, I want all the money and I don't recognize your expenses here.
06:30So we never came to the original agreement.
06:33I need to clarify, Mary wanted all the money from what?
06:36From my house with Mary in Las Vegas.
06:39Our house, she wanted all the money from it.
06:41That's not how our divorce decree went.
06:43It was 50-50.
06:45And then she wouldn't recognize all the money that Robin and I had put into Coyote Pass,
06:49but yet still wanted 25% of it.
06:51Because he was legally married to you, he feels he was owed half of what the house was worth.
06:57I have never fought him on that.
06:59Oh.
07:00And so when I got the email back from him, like literally just in the past week or so,
07:06saying that I demanded the full amount of the equity.
07:09I mean, sure, it would make sense that I would get it because, you know,
07:14I'm the only one who lived in it for the majority of the time that we owned it.
07:18And I'm the one who made all the payments.
07:19But you know what?
07:20Your name was on it so you can have half of it.
07:22Like literally, that's how I felt.
07:24I'm not going to fight that.
07:25Why does he have the equity?
07:28Why does he have the money?
07:30Yes.
07:31Let's talk about that.
07:32Why does he have the money?
07:33If you lived in the house, you paid all the payments.
07:37Why does he have the equity to the house?
07:39That was the loan that I gave to purchase Robin's house in Flagstaff.
07:45That's that money.
07:47Every penny of it.
07:48Every penny of the house that you sold in Vegas went straight to Robin's house?
07:53Yes.
07:54And this is something that I have consented to never talk about.
07:58But we'll talk about it now.
08:01It's kind of interesting because Mary said she only wanted what was fair.
08:04And she said that what was fair was 50% of the sale of the house.
08:0850% of the sale of...
08:10The Las Vegas home.
08:11Oh, that's not what she said to me.
08:13She told me that she thought it was supposed to be all of it.
08:16Okay.
08:17So that was something that still needed to be hammered out.
08:19Yeah.
08:20Because if you're saying that she wanted all of the money and then Cody is saying, well,
08:23I was married to you and legally I'm allowed to half of the sale of the home.
08:27Yeah.
08:28I mean, like, everybody had proceeds from their house.
08:32I mean, I gave Cody half of my sale of my home as well.
08:36Mary also said that Cody never lived in a Las Vegas home with her.
08:39That she paid a lot of payments into that house.
08:42Mm-hmm.
08:43And she wanted to make sure that she gets paid for everything that she deserves.
08:47And he paid her insurance and he paid, you know, there was things that he was taking care of instead.
08:51Okay.
08:52There was bills that he took care of instead of that.
08:55So it was kind of like, that was how we, like, you take care of this bill, you take care of this bill kind of a thing.
09:00Okay.
09:01Yeah.
09:02I paid those bills.
09:04How would Robin know who paid the bills in my house?
09:08I paid my bills.
09:10He didn't pay the insurance because that's what she said.
09:15The insurance is usually on the house payment and the mortgage.
09:20No.
09:21She didn't pay.
09:22He didn't pay.
09:23I'm amused there.
09:26Yeah.
09:27That's ridiculous.
09:28No.
09:29I don't know what kind of home loans she had, but typical home loans and the one that I had, the insurance is built into the mortgage payment.
09:39Okay.
09:40Therefore, I paid the insurance.
09:42Mm-hmm.
09:43So originally you did submit to the lawyer that you wanted all 100% of the sale of the house in Vegas.
09:50Yeah.
09:51But now you are conceding and saying, okay.
09:54Oh, I conceded early on.
09:56And I, that's why, that's what I keep saying.
09:58I conceded early on.
10:00And...
10:01So what was this last minute backdoor deal about if you had already conceded early on?
10:06And you were okay with the confident, you know, the confidentiality clause.
10:11I'm very, very confused.
10:13Oh, no.
10:14It took me a while to be okay with the confidentiality.
10:17I was not okay with it until we went back and forth a few times.
10:21Okay.
10:22On the specific verbiage.
10:25Okay.
10:26Okay.
10:27So it was the confidentiality clause that was kind of holding up this whole deal.
10:30Yeah.
10:31Because earlier in the conversation, we kind of put the Vegas house property situation off
10:42the table.
10:43This confidentiality agreement, specifically with Mary, was Mary afraid that she wouldn't
10:48be getting a fair deal and then she wouldn't be able to speak about it?
10:54I think...
10:55That she would just have to accept what you give her?
10:57It would have just been a bargaining chip with Mary agreeing to half of our house in
11:03Vegas and her 25% of the extra expenses to Coyote Pass for me.
11:09But yes, Mary would have eventually gotten all of her money, her absolute fair share.
11:16The stining at the last minute was just that, wait a second, Janelle, I told Robin to hold
11:23on signing those agreements.
11:25All the paperwork was in line.
11:27I was just waiting to wrap up all of it with Coyote Pass.
11:30Did she understand what all of it meant?
11:34I think she's just trying to cover because she's upset that I revealed that she was wanting
11:41to do a backdoor deal with me to get the property sold.
11:44And that was all just because she was panicking that we would lose the buyer.
11:48There was no backdoor deal.
11:51There wasn't.
11:52There was no backdoor deal.
11:54We were talking about ways to get the thing done since Robin had thrown this big rock.
12:00She was going to be the rock in the way.
12:01Yeah, she was.
12:02She was the rock in the way.
12:03Would have gone through all clean without this crazy agreement being thrown in at the
12:08last minute, like days before the contract expired.
12:13OK, so this buyer comes back.
12:17Mary's hashing it out with the lawyers regarding what's going on.
12:22So what happens there?
12:23Like what is the scene that's going on behind the scenes there?
12:26There was a lot of time of just no communication.
12:30OK.
12:31I would call Cody every once in a while and text Mary once in a while and say,
12:34like, guys, we have a ticking clock here.
12:36This is going to expire in 60 days.
12:39And they would be like, yeah, we're working on it.
12:41Or Mary won't talk to me.
12:43It was like a big waiting game.
12:46Janelle was getting impatient.
12:48All of a sudden I hear from Cody, him and Janelle are talking about a backdoor deal
12:55where they sell the property out from under Mary.
12:58Mary was in a very precarious situation.
13:01And so I was like, hell no, you're not doing this to Mary.
13:06And I was like, why are you even talking Janelle about this?
13:09This is wrong.
13:10This is morally wrong.
13:12He kept pressuring me and pressuring me.
13:15And I was just like, and then like threatening me a little bit.
13:18And I was like, fine, if you want to go down this road, then I will go legal on you too.
13:24Okay, because I actually have a percentage in this property.
13:27And I will sit here in the middle of this road and I will make sure we don't sell this property until we do this fairly.
13:36How is he threatening you?
13:38He was like, we're going to sell this.
13:39He was saying, me and Janelle, we feel like we should do this backdoor deal.
13:43Janelle's giving me all this pressure.
13:44Janelle's giving me all this pressure.
13:45I'm like, I don't care what she's doing.
13:47You know, one minute she's sitting there loyal to Mary and the next minute she's doing this.
13:51Like, I'm like, I don't really care what you think you guys think you're doing.
13:56I don't care what you're frustrated and tired of this.
13:58We're going to do this the right way.
14:00We're going to make sure this happens fairly for Mary.
14:04This is a perfect example of why our family broke apart.
14:10I feel like Cody did stuff like this all the time.
14:14Where he would get together with one wife to decide what to do with everybody else.
14:18You can't do that.
14:19That's totally like, let's just...
14:21Well, there's a lot of twists and turns to that one.
14:23Because he says it's Janelle's idea, but Janelle says it was his idea.
14:27So let's just say maybe that's why our polygamous family didn't work.
14:30Are we figuring something out right now?
14:32I think I'm figuring something out right now.
14:35Did Janelle ever talk about this?
14:36No.
14:37Because it just feels sort of, you know...
14:38I don't, I don't know.
14:39Are you surprised that Janelle would actually work with Cody to sell this property behind Mary's back?
14:46Coming up...
14:49When Robin found out about this backdoor deal, do you think that Robin should have told you about it?
14:54I would think that it would have been very respectful for somebody to tell me.
15:01To say to her Janelle and Cody are thinking about this?
15:04Yes.
15:05Oh my gosh.
15:06Are you serious right now?
15:07Yes, I'm serious.
15:08No, I'm sorry.
15:09I am not going to sit there.
15:11I did what I could.
15:12And that is not a fair expectation of me at all.
15:15Are you surprised that Janelle would actually work with Cody to sell this property behind Mary's back?
15:29I think in all of this you look like there's probably, in everybody's perspective, there's a little bit of truth.
15:35But everybody in their story has something in there that is 100% wrong.
15:39Why were Cody and Janelle teaming up with each other?
15:42Good question.
15:44It was more just like, why are you partnering with anyone to do something immoral?
15:50That's what I was having a hard time with.
15:52And I was like...
15:54I was like, you're better than this.
16:00You're not being the man I married.
16:04And I called him out hard.
16:12So what were you saying to him?
16:22I was saying, you're the man...
16:28Sorry, I'm trying to be clear and not be crying.
16:34When Mary handed over the legal marriage, and Cody and I were supposed to go get legally married so he could adopt my kids, I was very nervous.
16:52I hated having the law involved.
16:56And I talked to him about it.
16:58And we had this very intimate conversation where I said, if I ever want out of this, I need your promise that you're going to let me go.
17:14He said, if I ever had a wife leave me, I would be the guy that bought the house down the street for her and the kids.
17:24I would be the guy that would be friends with her new man.
17:29And I took him at that promise.
17:34So when I'm seeing him doing this, and I reminded him...
17:38Crap.
17:42Remember what you told me?
17:45Remember what you promised me?
17:47Where's that guy?
17:52Where's that guy?
17:53Because he's not here.
17:56Is Robin the reason why you didn't do this backdoor deal with Janelle?
18:01No.
18:02Robin's the moral compass that told me I was being wrong.
18:06Janelle and I couldn't have made that backdoor deal work.
18:09It was an idea.
18:10Janelle was pushing you for something that wasn't going to work.
18:12But the fact that you were even thinking about it and thinking about doing it...
18:16It was wrong.
18:17It was wrong.
18:18And Robin's the one that said, this is wrong.
18:21And here's the thing.
18:22Robin has always been the moral compass of the Cody Brown family.
18:26Yeah.
18:27She loves to be like, well, I'm not going to do it until it's all fair and equal.
18:31And I'm like, well, there's big problems with that.
18:34So why is Robin saying that she is the reason that this was all fair?
18:39That everything was split?
18:41She's the paragon of righteousness.
18:44But Cody called her the moral compass of the family.
18:47That's fine.
18:48That's fine.
18:49You give power to get power.
18:51So why do you think Robin is saying she is the one who put a stop to what Janelle and Cody were trying to do, which was basically kind of erase you out of the deal and just move forward?
19:05I don't know.
19:06I did not know what was going on, except for that she has wanted to have everything be fair.
19:15And I think we all just kind of disagree on what's fair.
19:20So do you think that Robin was the one that put a stop to it?
19:23I don't know what she put a stop to.
19:26I don't know.
19:27I don't know.
19:28There's some things that I'm still confused at.
19:32I don't know what she put a stop to.
19:33Well, when I asked that same question to Cody, Cody said that she is the moral compass for the family.
19:39I'm sure she is the moral compass for him and her and their family.
19:45But he says for the entire Brown family, everybody.
19:49It's really rude.
19:51Like, she's not my moral compass.
19:53I have my own moral compass, so.
19:56Do you understand the distrust that she has for you and Cody that this would not be taken care of later?
20:03Not me.
20:04Not me.
20:05I have said from the beginning with her I would be taking care of this.
20:08There is nothing that I have done that would make Mary question me.
20:14Cody, whatever.
20:15They have their crap.
20:18Not me.
20:19Cody and I are not the same person.
20:24And even if I am loyal to him and I love him, I do not agree with things that he does.
20:30I do not agree with his attitudes all the time.
20:34I have a very strict moral compass because I don't believe.
20:51God, that's so stupid.
21:04I don't believe in this kind of crap.
21:06I believe it's wrong.
21:08I believe in this case.
21:09I don't believe in this case.
21:11Even if you doubt about him.
21:12Exactly.
21:13Okay?
21:14I think that it would have been very respectful for somebody to tell me.
21:16Um, I think that if anybody else knew about it and I was being kept out of the loop and
21:22it was something kind of against me, I would think that it would have been very respectful
21:30for somebody to tell me.
21:33I know that I have not always been the best person, but I've not been a dishonest person.
21:40Do you think Robin is a dishonest person?
21:44Um, I hope that Robin's not a dishonest person.
21:50I hope that all of them are not a dishonest person.
21:53Well, she sat here on the couch and said that she's never given you a reason to distrust
21:56her.
21:59I disagree with that.
22:01Again, we have our own perspectives.
22:05I disagree with that, unfortunately.
22:09As painful as that will be for her to hear, I disagree with it.
22:15I know that this is what's going on.
22:17I know that Cody and Janelle are talking like this and I'm worried, okay?
22:21I don't trust Mary at this point, but I am still looking out for her.
22:25Right.
22:26She was telling me she thought she should get all the proceeds from her house.
22:29She thought she didn't have to worry about what Cody and I had put into Coyote Pass extra
22:33from everybody else.
22:34So it was just, it was like, I was like, Mary, we're trying to work this out.
22:38Come on, please.
22:39Can we figure this out?
22:40But I didn't trust her enough to tell her what was going on.
22:43Why?
22:44Are you serious?
22:45Yes, I'm serious, because you're trying to separate your finances from all of his ex-wives.
22:52You're trying to make a clear...
22:53To say to her, Janelle and Cody are thinking about this?
22:57Yes.
22:58Oh my gosh.
22:59Are you serious right now?
23:00Yes, I'm serious.
23:01No, I'm sorry.
23:02I am not going to sit there.
23:04I did what I could.
23:05And that is not a fair expectation of me at all, because that's my husband.
23:10And I fought him how I could, if she knew all she would do is create more problems.
23:17I fought him how I could.
23:19I was fighting for her however I could.
23:22I called him out verbally.
23:23I was fighting with him.
23:25I was saying, I will get in the way of this whole deal and you guys won't be able to sell
23:28this.
23:29I'm not going to sit there with someone who's backstabbing me over and over and over again
23:34and trust her.
23:35I did what I could based on what Mary has done in our relationship.
23:40That's what's happening.
23:43I'm not going to sit there and be disloyal to Cody.
23:48She doesn't, if she had maintained her relationship with me, then that could be something to say
23:53to me.
23:54But not now.
23:55She has burned so many bridges with me and I don't know why.
24:02What were the bridges that were burned that you couldn't go back to?
24:06She's sitting there trashing me and I don't even know what the problem is.
24:10Where all of a sudden we go from like, we have a friendship, we have a relationship and
24:15then all of a sudden it's gone because I don't know why.
24:18I don't know what happened.
24:19I don't know why it's different.
24:21She just all of a sudden was angry at Cody.
24:24So somehow I'm lumped into that, like always.
24:27I have one last question regarding this deal.
24:30Why was Robin the last person to sign?
24:33I asked Robin not to sign until Mary had agreed to our family breakup.
24:43Just, just all the, until Mary had agreed to the entanglements.
24:48Why was it Robin and not you?
25:00Why was Robin the last person to sign?
25:04Why was it Robin and not you?
25:06Because I had already signed.
25:09Robin hadn't gone in yet.
25:10We were all ready to go.
25:11I thought Mary and Janelle were accepting this January contract.
25:15I signed, I was ready to go.
25:17Mary didn't accept the January contract.
25:20So I was just like, Robin, just don't go sign.
25:21We're just, we're just holding until we get this entanglement separation finished.
25:28And that was the process.
25:30And so finally I went, we will allow the sale with her 25% and hope in the future that we
25:37can finish this negotiation out.
25:40And the reason I did that was because the lawyer said that you wouldn't have to pay her anything.
25:48You can give her this money or not.
25:51According to the law, you're not required to Robin said, and I said, yeah, we are required
25:57to morally, but because we don't need the bargaining chip anymore.
26:01We're just going to let it sell.
26:05And so we went ahead and closed.
26:07They got distributed.
26:08And right now I think Mary's, I mean, we're talking now.
26:12I mean, we went through this whole, whole stink storm.
26:17And now I think it's.
26:20It's almost over.
26:21No, it is over.
26:23Mary will get paid.
26:24Everybody is going to have, have their money and I'm going to be bitter because they sat
26:29there and just talked me the whole time.
26:34This experience at Coyote Pass really set me forward on the apology stuff.
26:41It was so toxic that I just realized that it was like, I was in the heat of it at the time
26:49after everybody had been paid and I settled in, I was like, this has to change.
26:55And that's when I went to Robin and said, I have this idea and I want to apologize to
26:59them because I need this sort of tension that's in these relationships to go away.
27:05So that was the first, the primary thing.
27:09You also had an apology with Christine.
27:11And during that apology, the conversation had turned into a deep idea of developing a
27:15friendship with you and David.
27:18But then there was like a line drawn in the sand during that conversation.
27:23Yeah.
27:24Let's take a look and then let's discuss.
27:26Okay.
27:29Why do you want to meet together?
27:30I wanted to apologize for how we broke up, for how it all went down.
27:37I want to apologize for being angry about it.
27:41I also want to just acknowledge the good times.
27:46I get where you're coming from in a lot of ways.
27:49I don't get when you say things outwardly, but that's you.
27:54But when it comes to feelings, I get you.
27:57So your anger was because you were scared in the beginning of what you're losing.
28:02I appreciate the sort of the vote of grace.
28:07Yeah.
28:08David, thank you.
28:09But like, let me keep going down the list.
28:12The one that I'm, that I feel like is with the most hurtful was saying that I didn't love
28:16you because I did love, I did love you.
28:21Look, I spent a couple of years being angry too.
28:24I'm angry too.
28:25And it was a kick.
28:27Like, that was a, whoa.
28:29It was pretty shocking.
28:30I'm apologizing for being angry, though.
28:33No, I'd love you to come to Moab with me.
28:36I'm not really that interested in it, but thanks.
28:39No, no.
28:40That's funny.
28:41You'll be safe with me.
28:41It's so much fun.
28:43It's great.
28:43I need to just, I need to honor this, guys.
28:47I've just got something to say.
28:48This is, this is, this is really kind.
28:51It's really good.
28:52And I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer.
28:59It's just an issue of managing expectations.
29:02So I just want to be careful that we're not stepping into a realm that doesn't quite work
29:08yet.
29:08They seem healthy and whole in their relationship.
29:15I want Christine to be able to just be, just release it.
29:19Just this, this experience with me.
29:21So I want her and David to feel free.
29:25I want her to feel, go on and love.
29:29I watched their wedding.
29:32You watched their wedding?
29:32Yeah, I watched their wedding.
29:33And I was smiling through the entire thing, almost.
29:38I just, it was fun to see Christine in a great spot.
29:43It's sort of kind of her dreams come true.
29:45So you were happy for her?
29:47Very happy for her, yeah.
29:48You know, there's a couple of big issues in your marriage with Christine, and one of
29:52them was you're not being attracted to her, right?
29:56Did you want to address that to her?
29:58Yeah, because that was just when we were married, when we first married.
30:03I want to, I want to say something sweet about Christine.
30:05We had this marvelous experience.
30:07After she has our first child, she gets this professional job.
30:11And I remember we were stone broke.
30:13And her and I are at a department store where she tries on this pantsuit.
30:18We're in the middle of a move, and she's going to have this new job.
30:21And I just like, you look so damn good in that pantsuit that you have to have it.
30:27And Christine and I had our very, very sweet experiences.
30:34And I don't think I apologized for that whole attraction situation.
30:42And for that, I feel ashamed.
30:44And I don't think I remembered that in part of it.
30:49But you're reminding me.
30:51I think she misinterpreted a lot of that.
30:53When we started to break up, it wasn't a matter of physical attraction.
30:59It was a matter of trust attraction.
31:02He regrets not apologizing for saying that you were not attractive.
31:08Well, thank God he didn't.
31:09That would have been really, really awkward with David there and with all of it.
31:13I'm not married to you anymore.
31:15Don't talk to me like that.
31:16I am now married.
31:17I don't.
31:18That's absolutely, oh, God, it makes me mad, actually.
31:22That he would think he needed to, that makes me mad.
31:25Coming up.
31:27Is there anything that you would say?
31:28Because David's there, right?
31:29Did that make it kind of awkward?
31:31I love David being there because his intention, I think, is helpful.
31:35He wants to be in the conversation.
31:37And I was trying to have a conversation with Christine.
31:40I wish he would have apologized.
31:42I wish he never would have said, I never should have said that I didn't love you because I did love you.
31:47I felt that was so disrespectful to David.
31:56He regrets not apologizing for saying that you were not attractive.
32:02He has no right whatsoever.
32:04That's playing a game with me.
32:05That is playing a game.
32:06No, that is inappropriate.
32:08It's a good thing he didn't.
32:09We might have walked out.
32:11There's no way.
32:12If he needs to come to terms with that on his own, then he can come to terms with that on his own.
32:17It has nothing to do with me.
32:18Okay.
32:18Well, he also has a specific memory of a pantsuit when you guys were really broke and you were going back to work.
32:27Oh, my burgundy pantsuit.
32:28Yeah, and he talked about this burgundy pantsuit.
32:32That was a fun pantsuit.
32:33Do you like that pantsuit?
32:34Oh, God, no.
32:35No.
32:36No.
32:37I wore it all the time.
32:38I love that pantsuit.
32:40It was fantastic.
32:41Yeah.
32:41I do love a good suit.
32:43Like, did you know that he loved that pantsuit on you so much?
32:45So it made me love it more?
32:46Yes.
32:47I mean, probably.
32:50I don't care how he...
32:52And that's the thing, too.
32:53I don't even like to have this conversation about him liking how I used to look.
32:56I don't even want to have that conversation.
32:57That's just gross to me.
32:58Feels out of balance.
32:59I really don't care.
33:00David likes how I look.
33:01David loves how I look.
33:02And I know that he loves how I look because he tells me all the time.
33:06Do you think Cody was being sincere in this?
33:08Yeah.
33:09I mean, I do.
33:09I feel like he truly had some sort of reckoning and he needed to make it right.
33:14And sometimes it just means that you need to make it right.
33:19Do you think it was awkward for Cody to have David there?
33:21Uh, I think it would have been more awkward without David.
33:27I mean, they're not...
33:28I think that would be weird to go to that kind of thing with your ex-husband, I think, you know.
33:33So what do you think he's getting?
33:35I don't know what he's getting from all of this.
33:37But what are you seeing?
33:39But if he...
33:39I'm just saying, if this was important to him to do this, that's awesome.
33:44And I think having David there was appropriate.
33:50I definitely think it was appropriate.
33:52Really?
33:52To say it in front of David?
33:53Oh, absolutely.
33:54She's married.
33:56She absolutely should have her husband there.
33:58Right.
33:59But do you think it was appropriate for him to say, you know, I did love you?
34:03Because Christine felt uncomfortable about that.
34:05I mean, it was uncomfortable to say that.
34:07And also, it's factual.
34:09It's factual.
34:10I mean, nobody's hiding the fact that Christine needs to be married and she's got a bunch of
34:16kids with this guy.
34:17You know what I mean?
34:17So it's factual.
34:19I wish he would have apologized.
34:20I wish he never would have said, I never should have said that I didn't love you because
34:24I did love you.
34:26I felt that was so disrespectful to David.
34:30Right here.
34:30Here's my husband.
34:31My husband's sitting right here.
34:32For him to say that, I was like, why are you saying that?
34:36Why are you saying...
34:38We all knew you were angry.
34:39It doesn't matter.
34:39That doesn't matter to me.
34:41We're done.
34:42But it was so absolutely bizarre.
34:44But he probably came with best intentions.
34:46That's why I was like, I don't quite know what to do with that.
34:49Was David annoyed?
34:50David, yeah.
34:51Was he annoyed that Cody said, I did love you during our marriage?
34:55Oh, yeah.
34:55He's like, that's so inappropriate.
34:57Who does that?
34:59Is there anything that you would say?
35:00Because David's there, right?
35:01Did that make it kind of awkward?
35:03I love David being there because his intention, I think, is helpful.
35:07He wants to be in the conversation.
35:09And I was trying to have a conversation with Christine.
35:12So did it make it difficult for you to have this conversation with Christine when her new husband is sitting there?
35:18It was great because I think David, oh, absolutely means well.
35:23And he has a lot of advice.
35:26But do you think David being there, like David said, you know, that he understands you?
35:31Do you think he understands you?
35:33Uh, I think David's a guy and guys think they've got things figured out.
35:39And plural marriage is the kind of thing that tells you, you don't know ****.
35:42David doesn't know yet that he doesn't know ****.
35:45But I now know that I don't know ****.
35:48Okay.
35:49I got that.
35:50So are you willing to receive that?
35:53I'm not interested in it, really.
35:55I want to be courteous to David.
35:58So, but I think David's a guy's guy.
36:01I frankly find him likable.
36:04But I don't know David at all.
36:06Yeah.
36:06David doesn't know me, but I think David thinks he knows me.
36:10When he sat there and said he loved her, my first reaction is, why in the hell am I here?
36:16This is weird.
36:17So it sent me down a little bit.
36:19And I call bull**** on that.
36:22Because to me, it's not about him and her anymore.
36:25They've been gone for three, four years now.
36:28It's a bro code that you just don't cross.
36:29And you don't tell your ex-wife in front of her husband right now, hey, I did love you.
36:35It's just wrong.
36:36Flat out wrong.
36:38And the way he went about it, and I was cool about it.
36:40The only reason I said, hey, do you want to come to Moab, was I want to test to see where he's at.
36:47And it was all about what he wanted to say and not about, hey, let's do something.
36:51He had to get his point across and that was it.
36:55It's all about what he wants.
36:56It's not about what Christine wants.
36:58It's not about what's best interest for what this family is.
37:01It's what he wants to do.
37:05Did he know that you were feeling awkward when he was saying, by the way, Christine?
37:10I don't think he would ever know if you're awkward or not.
37:12Yeah.
37:13No, nobody would.
37:13I wouldn't even tell Christine until the next day.
37:16Because I didn't want to spoil the moment.
37:19Because I was like, where in the hell is Robin at?
37:21This is weird.
37:22Your ex-husband across the table from you saying, I did love you.
37:27But didn't he invite you and Christine together for this apology?
37:31But shouldn't it have been couples?
37:33Why wasn't Robin there?
37:35So why didn't you go?
37:38Because this isn't about me.
37:41Okay.
37:42This was really supposed to be Cody talking to Christine and then David was there just
37:48to be like as her husband.
37:51Like he's there as her husband and like to respect their marriage and not to do something
37:55inappropriate.
37:56Do you think it was awkward for David to hear like, I did love you?
38:01That acknowledge, acknowledging that in front of her new husband?
38:08Coming up.
38:09I can appreciate that David was offended.
38:11And I apologize that he was offended.
38:14But if I feel like telling Christine I love her or that I loved her, that's not breaking
38:20bro code to me.
38:21Can you even understand his thought process of saying?
38:24Do I want to understand his way?
38:25I don't know.
38:26Do you want to understand his thought process?
38:28Because here is his thought process.
38:29No, I don't want to because his thought process is way in left field somewhere.
38:39Do you think it was awkward for David to hear like, I did love you?
38:44That acknowledge, acknowledging that in front of her new husband?
38:50Um, well, it could be.
38:52Or it could be, you know, he could be enlightened enough to realize that that would be something
38:57that would heal her.
38:58So, you know.
39:00I asked Robin, why didn't she go with Cody?
39:03And she said, well, this is Cody's thing.
39:04This is Cody's thing with his ex-wives.
39:06It has nothing to do with me.
39:07See, that's the problem with, there again, it's always separate thing there.
39:12She wanted polygamy.
39:13She begged for it.
39:14So you're going to say to go that part?
39:17It doesn't make any sense.
39:19Well, listen, Robin also said that if you were enlightened enough, you would understand
39:23why Cody said what he did, that he loved her in front of you.
39:27Okay, wait a minute.
39:28Let's look at it.
39:29Enlighten?
39:29Yeah, that's...
39:30Wow.
39:32I don't cave to their pressure.
39:34Sorry, I don't.
39:35Common sense and logic comes to me.
39:37No common sense comes to that.
39:39No logic comes to that.
39:41It doesn't happen.
39:42If I had all of a sudden had the next girlfriend come and sat down and was telling her, what
39:48would you do?
39:49Oh, my God.
39:50You'd be like, I'm going to scratch your eyes out.
39:52Bye.
39:53There wasn't anything there but me trying to say, when I said I never loved you, I wasn't
40:01being honest with myself.
40:03It wasn't a lie, but it wasn't true.
40:07And I would like to apologize for that.
40:10When we were married, I did love you.
40:13I can appreciate that David was offended.
40:16And I apologize that he was offended.
40:18But if I feel like telling Christine I love her or that I loved her, that's not breaking
40:24bro code to me.
40:25If he thinks that I broke bro code, he works in construction and he talks about things that
40:32are different than I understand them.
40:36Maybe that's a breaking of bro code.
40:38I wasn't aware.
40:40I apologize.
40:43Would it have been safe for Robin to be there?
40:47Why not?
40:48We're adults and we act like adults.
40:50What are we going to do?
40:51Get in a food fight?
40:52Why would you send your ex off to go have a conversation with his ex talking about how
40:59he loved her?
40:59Why would you even send him off to do that?
41:02You know, there's been a lot of people who said on this couch that it was when you were
41:05sitting next to her that he could actually approach it in a respectful manner to you,
41:11meaning he could say these things with you there.
41:15Because if he said these things without you there, it would be really disrespectful.
41:20I would not have been alone because I would not allow, I would not have agreed with that
41:25because she's my wife now, not his.
41:27This is no under his thumb anymore.
41:30It's she's my wife.
41:31But can you even understand his thought process of saying-
41:33Do I want to understand his wife?
41:35I don't know.
41:35Do you want to understand his thought process?
41:37Because here is his thought process.
41:38No, no, I don't want to because his thought process is way in left field somewhere.
41:44Way in left field.
41:45And Robin also agreed with that thought process, that he was being respectful by having you
41:48sit next to Christine.
41:51I'm just saying.
41:52Okay, in a weird way then, and you're going to say, I did love you?
41:56That's okay to say in front of me?
41:59Well, for the last three years, he's been so angry and he's been saying, I never loved
42:03these women, I never cared about these women, so that was part of his testimony and sort
42:08of his enlightenment that he wanted to be able to release the people in his life so
42:14they can go on and live their lives.
42:16Oh, so you're his property then, huh?
42:18Is that the way you put it?
42:19Is that the property?
42:25Next time on Sister Wives One on One.
42:27Cody and Janelle fail to recognize that, oh, there might have been some emotions involved
42:33with the fact that she used to be married to my brother.
42:37And actually, I asked to be in their family.
42:39They never asked me.
42:41Oh.
42:41I knew them as a couple, and I just felt inspired to say, look, I think I belong in your family.
42:47I'm just here to apologize, Mary, not to argue with you.
42:48No, I'm going to tell you this, Cody.
42:50You're not going to shut me down anymore.
42:51I'm going to finish what I'm saying.
42:53Would you ever talk to Cody like the way Mary did?
42:57No, probably not.
43:00I just don't take him seriously enough.
43:03There was no time when I ever felt like Robin was betraying somebody else's trust.
43:08If I'm going to talk to her, and then she's going to go behind my back and talk to Cody
43:12about it, then you can't trust someone who does that.
43:15I would have conversations with her, and then my private conversation, things would be
43:21found out.
43:22Other people would find out.
43:24She's sitting here saying that she can't trust me because of this or that.
43:27I had her freaking back, okay?
43:29If she wants to say that somehow I did something wrong there, that is fine.
43:33I don't have a problem with that because I know what my intentions were.
43:37I don't have a problem with her.
43:43We'll have a problem with that.
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