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Este programa especial de "Quién Sabe Dónde" se emitió en Televisión Española (TVE) el 16 de abril de 1992, bajo la dirección y presentación de Ernesto Sáenz de Buruaga. A diferencia de su etapa posterior más conocida con Paco Lobatón, este periodo inicial bajo Buruaga exploraba temas de misterio y actualidad con un enfoque de debate.
El episodio se centró en el fenómeno de los OVNIs y las abducciones, contando con un panel de expertos y testigos de renombre en la ufología española:
- Próspera Muñoz: Una de las protagonistas del caso de abducción más famosos de España (Jumilla, 1947), quien relató su experiencia personal.
- Antonio Ribera: Pionero de la ufología en España y escritor prolífico sobre el tema.
- J.J. Benítez: Famoso autor de la saga Caballo de Troya e investigador del fenómeno OVNI.
- Javier Sierra: En aquel entonces un joven investigador, hoy escritor de éxito y premio Planeta.
- Ignacio García de la Rosa: Astrofísico, aportando una visión más escéptica o científica al debate.
- Juan Ignacio Lorenzo Torres: Investigador especializado en el fenómeno.
El episodio se centró en el fenómeno de los OVNIs y las abducciones, contando con un panel de expertos y testigos de renombre en la ufología española:
- Próspera Muñoz: Una de las protagonistas del caso de abducción más famosos de España (Jumilla, 1947), quien relató su experiencia personal.
- Antonio Ribera: Pionero de la ufología en España y escritor prolífico sobre el tema.
- J.J. Benítez: Famoso autor de la saga Caballo de Troya e investigador del fenómeno OVNI.
- Javier Sierra: En aquel entonces un joven investigador, hoy escritor de éxito y premio Planeta.
- Ignacio García de la Rosa: Astrofísico, aportando una visión más escéptica o científica al debate.
- Juan Ignacio Lorenzo Torres: Investigador especializado en el fenómeno.
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00:00Hello, good evening and welcome to studio A4 at Torre España,
00:29From where we broadcast live. A few years ago, just a few years ago, when someone referred to the phenomenon
00:35UFO, he was regarded with a somewhat condescending smile. But that was before, because
00:40Today, when someone tells us they've seen a UFO or even that they've been on a spaceship,
00:44We're not talking to a madman. It's possible that people could disappear from planet Earth.
00:50carried in a spaceship, or going even further. It's possible that at some point
00:56spaceships from other planets land and take away people who normally live on the
01:03Earth. Prospera Muñoz, good evening.
01:05Good night.
01:06Have you ever been on a spaceship?
01:08Yes, exactly.
01:09How long ago?
01:10About 45 years old.
01:12What did they say to her? Why did they take her away?
01:13Well, they told me, but I don't remember that.
01:16Let's consider another question. Is it possible to go back in time? Is it possible that
01:22Spaceships from planet Earth can enter the time tunnel and go back
01:27Many years? For example, imagine yourself on a night like tonight, in the year 30 of our time.
01:31It was at the Last Supper of Jesus Christ. Juan José Benítez, journalist. Good evening.
01:36Good night.
01:36Is it possible?
01:38At first glance it seems like science fiction, but Jules Verne was a person who said that
01:44Everything one human being can imagine, another will make a reality in due time. And live.
01:49God, it is being fulfilled. So I believe it is possible. I believe it can be done.
01:55someday, to the astonishment of our descendants.
01:58Furthermore, you have written it in a Trojan horse that is undoubtedly being sold as a book.
02:02non-fiction.
02:02Indeed. And it is indeed non-fiction, because it is an exhaustive investigation. Anyone
02:08Anyone who bothers to read it will see that every detail, every piece of information has been meticulously researched.
02:14Tonight we're going to climb aboard our own personal Trojan horse, from who knows where, but
02:19With regret for those of us involved in this program, we would like to have a television camera
02:23to witness the passion and death of Jesus Christ live. A truly exceptional event.
02:28What we will try to do, at least, is to reach for the stars. And we will.
02:32to do by getting closer to Seville, to the Seville Expo, to the pavilion of the universe that
02:36We can already see it on screen, I think. We see that pavilion in the background. It opens next.
02:42Monday and we'll talk with astrophysicist Ignacio de la Rosa, who's waiting to tell us some things.
02:47things. But we still want to raise one more question here in the study before
02:51Continue. Commander Lorenzo Torres, good evening. Good evening.
02:55Is it true that two passengers disappeared without a trace on board an airplane?
03:00Yes, this is a true fact, and it happened on a flight from Paris to Madrid, involving two passengers
03:06Passengers with very strange characteristics disappeared mid-flight en route to Madrid.
03:11They were not on board and the Civil Guard anchored the plane and nothing more was ever heard of them.
03:17I think there are quite a few questions we need to ask ourselves. We might find some answers here.
03:22evening.
03:23From this end of the century, people who claim to have traveled through space and time.
03:28Men and women who were once passengers on marvelous contraptions checked out by the most
03:32There. There are hundreds of testimonies scattered around the world that describe it as real.
03:38These are the fantastical beings. These are the truths of those we call abductees or kidnapping victims.
03:44by UFOs. Ordinary citizens who have crossed the third-phase border. When they return
03:51Their only evidence is the word of the witnesses. The rest of us will always be left with doubt.
03:56The margin between lived experience and imagined reality is too narrow, and no one is free from that.
04:01great playwright we call brain.
04:04What's happening?
04:05What's happening?
04:06It has a round dome.
04:08Good.
04:08A sloping, all-around overhang. It's very well lit from the outside.
04:15Are you coming in?
04:16Yeah.
04:17How does it get in?
04:18Walking.
04:20Are they accompanying us?
04:21Yes. And lots of people come to see me. They all come up and look at me with great curiosity.
04:28I enter and find myself in a circular room. To my left are many small screens.
04:44like something out of a movie.
04:45His name is Próspero Muñoz. He is 53 years old. He works as a telephone operator in Girona and is a mother.
04:53of three children. In a hypnotic state, she recalls how, as a child, she was abducted by alleged...
04:58extraterrestrials who said they came from Venus and whom she believed she had met in a previous life.
05:04He says they were short, grayish in color, and had bulbous heads. It even seems they were
05:09worried about their own fate. Prospera answers the hypnotist's questions and assures
05:16that those beings led him to a room similar to an operating room to examine his body.
05:22Now he puts a strange screen in front of me. And they tell me it's me on the inside.
05:31But it's there. They tell me it's my head. But I don't understand. Why is it split?
05:41In my head? It's not broken.
05:47It makes me lift my head. Much. More. Much more. Much more.
05:53The only thing I can say is that it seems they are indeed conducting these studies.
06:01These investigations with human beings, placing great emphasis on sexual and genetic aspects.
06:07We hadn't mentioned this. And it's certainly curious. And so far, it hasn't caused us any major harm.
06:15I ask if everyone has four fingers.
06:17They tell me yes. But there's a girl who shows me her hands and she has five.
06:31Everyone is missing a thumb except her.
06:36They tell me that his mother is from the earth.
06:40There are indeed many researchers who believe that they are mental episodes.
06:45But what makes me think a lot is the similarity between all these episodes.
06:51How is it possible that the subjects evoke a scenario, as I said before, that is so similar?
06:59In other words, where are the small, big-headed humanoids?
07:03where the ship's control room is located,
07:06where the recognition camera is, so to speak.
07:09I don't know, it seems like a very, very strange thing to me, almost more curious than if it were true.
07:16They want to help in our evolution, as they have said.
07:25We have immense potential that we need to develop.
07:28The known cases of abductions in our country can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
07:38The truth is that most of the experiences come from that great dream factory that is the United States,
07:44the country where the best special effects are produced.
07:48Even so, many believe that the reward of faith is to see what one believes in.
07:53Prospero Muñoz is satisfied with that reward.
07:57My mind has always been very rational, and to accept this and that it happened to me is tremendous.
08:05Furthermore, one begins with the questions, why me?
08:08But once this has been overcome a little,
08:12What remains is a different way of seeing life,
08:15a conviction that there is something more than the ordinary, everyday material life.
08:20And this is important, it enriches.
08:27They will be asking themselves more than one question.
08:56And I'm sure there's more than one argument going on at home. We've already introduced her to Próspera Muñoz.
09:01Prospera, we have a few interesting questions, to say the least. How did you get on that spaceship? What do you remember?
09:08Well, I remember we went up through a kind of beam of light, it was like an elevator.
09:14There we boarded an immense ship that must have been suspended in the sky. That's where I underwent the medical examination.
09:20How was your first communication with you?
09:22The first communication was simple. My brother and I were at a farm near Jumilla,
09:28when we saw a strange object coming flying, skimming the ground, but flying nonetheless.
09:33And from there two people came out and established communication with us in the simplest way, asking for a glass of water.
09:39And at no point did we see anything strange, nor did it seem strange to us.
09:43Próspera Muñoz is a woman who enjoys perfect mental health, who works in life, whom we have listened to, and has three children.
09:50And I'm sure that on more than one occasion they have questioned and asked him,
09:54Prospera, are you alright? Have you had any tests done? Have they told you that more than once?
09:58Well, yes, a personality study has been done.
10:00And it seems there isn't a mental defect sufficient to explain why I made this up.
10:07Are you aware that in many cases they don't believe it?
10:09Naturally, and I also see it as very logical, many people don't believe it.
10:14Perhaps if it hadn't happened to me, I wouldn't believe it of someone else either.
10:18Has this affected your natural life, your normal life, or have you had any problems of any kind?
10:22No, no, no problems. Nobody has bothered me for giving this testimony.
10:26Now, of course, life changes normally.
10:29Do you know anyone else with a similar experience to yours?
10:32Yes, I personally know Padrón from the Canary Islands and Mr. Pons Prades from Barcelona.
10:37who tell something like that, although it happened to me when I was older.
10:41Javier Sierra, journalist and ufologist, good evening.
10:43Hello good evening.
10:44It seems that the most advanced aspect of the ufological phenomenon is precisely studying these cases of abductions.
10:51That's right, because perhaps the study of abductions can give us a greater understanding
10:56What are the reasons why these UFOs are here?
11:00or what are the reasons that would tend to explain if there really is an intelligence behind the UFO phenomenon.
11:06And I believe it is clear, after studying these and other cases,
11:10that there is clearly an intelligence behind it all.
11:13What catches our attention in the documentation we can read about abductions
11:17that a very similar phenomenon is always recorded.
11:20There is a characteristic type, let's say, lights, fog, a certain time of night.
11:26Is this correct?
11:26Yes, it can be said that there is a composite sketch of the abduction topic.
11:31They usually occur at night, as you rightly say.
11:34They are usually people who are traveling in their vehicle,
11:37that are in a more or less open area or without immediate population,
11:42and it is often lived alone.
11:45In other words, there is only one witness and therefore no other witnesses exist.
11:49that can support us with their information on that case in question.
11:54However, there are approximately 30% of cases,
11:58where there are other witnesses who can corroborate the story.
12:04In the case of Prospera, for example, she entered the ship,
12:08But before that, these kinds of entities that she saw inside the UFO
12:12They could also be seen by her sister.
12:13And there are other cases around the world where other people testify
12:17that there have actually been UFO sightings,
12:20There has been the emergence of small entities, etc., etc.
12:22Javier Serra, in short, are there extraterrestrial spacecraft?
12:25Are certain people being taken from planet Earth or not?
12:28I would venture to say that in a small percentage of cases, yes.
12:32However, there is something else to consider,
12:34that there is a significant core of the population, approximately 4%,
12:39It is already significant that they suffer from what are called fantasy-prone personalities,
12:44and that they are able to see things that others do not see
12:46and that they are not actually happening.
12:48However, there is a small core of these cases.
12:51in which it has been verified that they do not belong to that population group
12:54and that they are living real experiences.
12:56Therefore, it can be deduced that other intelligences are visiting us.
12:59I don't want to scare our viewers,
13:01But there is one question that I would also like Javier Serra to clarify for us.
13:04Night visitors are a popular topic in the world of ufology.
13:08That's all, good night, are you sleeping?
13:11a glow in the room and someone speaking to them.
13:14What is this?
13:15Well, within the UFO phenomenon, as you rightly say,
13:17These types of cases have appeared in recent years.
13:20I would also venture to say that most of them
13:23They obey purely mental processes,
13:25because there is no physical corroboration
13:27that these kinds of issues have occurred,
13:30and it's also a type of vision that, well, is even classified,
13:35These are called hypnagogic or hypnopombic visions.
13:38depending on whether it occurs before or after the witness falls asleep.
13:41This usually happens when the witness is in bed.
13:43Well, these kinds of visions date back many centuries.
13:47And already, for example, in the Middle Ages they spoke of incubi and succubi,
13:50entities that appeared in the bedrooms, in the alcoves of the witnesses,
13:54And nowadays, perhaps a little because of all the paraphernalia
13:56or because of our entire social evolution, they are called extraterrestrials,
14:00But these are fundamentally mental visions.
14:03Are we operating on the borderline of fantasy or science fiction?
14:06In any case, doubt exists in many situations.
14:08We said that tonight we were going to try to touch the stars with our hands
14:11and we are going to place ourselves in the situation of the Expo universe.
14:16There you'll find astrophysicist Ignacio García de la Rosa.
14:20Mr. Garcia de la Rosa, good evening.
14:22Hello good evening.
14:22Do you believe there is life beyond our planet?
14:27Well, the truth is, I wish there had been one.
14:29Because we scientists really do have a huge list of questions
14:33that we would do to any life.
14:35Come on, even if it were as small as a bacterium,
14:37We would learn a lot by contacting her.
14:41We, precisely, to attempt that contact,
14:45And perhaps because we don't have an easier way,
14:48In other words, we don't know in any other way than from here on Earth.
14:51that contact can be made,
14:53We are going to allow visitors here, to this pavilion of the universe,
14:57can send their own messages to the stars.
15:00With that, what we want to recreate, perhaps,
15:02It's the feeling that we are shipwrecked
15:06And that we tried, therefore, in some way,
15:10to know about the life that may exist in other places.
15:14Mr. García de la Rosa,
15:16Since we're going to send a message that's from our program,
15:18from who knows where.
15:19Yes, I am using the program's initials.
15:21since each visitor can enter their initials
15:26and then a copy of the message that has been sent is obtained.
15:29Where are we sending this message?
15:31Well, we'll read it now.
15:32because during the day the radio telescope we have outside the building
15:37Well, it's aiming for different stars.
15:41In our case,
15:42This message has been sent to the star,
15:44Specifically,
15:45SAO 84.896
15:47and it will arrive in 257 years.
15:51Like I said, it has the program's initials.
15:53and it has gone in that direction.
15:56Now then,
15:58really,
15:59What does science think about UFOs?
16:02Well, science
16:03She is quite distrustful.
16:05I think that's what makes it have quite a few successes as well.
16:09Believing in UFOs or not
16:10It's a question of where each person puts their money.
16:12the bar of their credulity.
16:15I mean,
16:15If I, for example,
16:17I tell them that I arrived this morning by plane from the Canary Islands,
16:20Well, I really don't think anyone will even ask me for the ticket.
16:21not a single picture of me ever being on a plane
16:23because it is an ordinary fact.
16:24Now,
16:25If someone asks...
16:26Does anyone have doubts?
16:27That we create...
16:28Okay, fine.
16:28But it's something that can be easily proven, isn't it?
16:31Now,
16:31If I were to tell you
16:32that this morning I arrived from the star Vega,
16:34For example,
16:34Well, I think that,
16:36come on,
16:36They wouldn't just ask me for the ticket,
16:37They would ask me for conclusive proof.
16:39that that is true.
16:39Because?
16:40Because I am proposing to you
16:41an extraordinary event.
16:42I believe that credulity or lack thereof
16:45It should be something that applies
16:47in everyday life
16:47and not always be open
16:50to believe anything
16:51that appears written in a book
16:52because so much is actually written,
16:54There are so many religions,
16:56so many different proposals
16:57If we were to believe them all,
16:59Well, anyway,
16:59We wouldn't have any criteria at all, would we?
17:00Mrs. Garcia de la Rosa,
17:01What universe can be seen in that pavilion?
17:03that here, at least,
17:04Are we partly observing?
17:06Well,
17:07a fascinating universe
17:08because I believe it's the only place in the world
17:11where at this moment
17:11windows are concentrated
17:13that open us
17:14toward,
17:15in fact,
17:16well,
17:16very unknown things,
17:18I mean,
17:18things that people
17:19He'll never have it in his life
17:20opportunity to peek.
17:22For example,
17:22We have windows
17:23that open us to cosmic rays,
17:24They make them visible to us,
17:25even though they're there all the time
17:27raining on us,
17:29windows to the atom,
17:30windows to viruses,
17:31to the bacteria,
17:32to the stars,
17:33even to radiation
17:34from the explosion of the universe,
17:36well,
17:36to this,
17:36to the messages
17:37towards other possible lives
17:38extraterrestrials,
17:39etc.
17:40I think it's a conglomerate
17:42where everything is
17:43from the big
17:43to the smallest thing.
17:44We will return
17:45to this pavilion of the universe,
17:46thank you,
17:47Mr. García de la Rosa,
17:49Mr. García de la Rosa commented
17:50about the plane.
17:52I think that
17:52no one better
17:53that our commander
17:54Lorenzo Torres
17:55to say,
17:56There are still those who say,
17:57Well,
17:57How can airplanes fly?
17:58It's almost impossible.
17:59I think you understand that very well.
18:00because he regularly pilots airplanes.
18:04Well,
18:04I would like to add
18:05that what he said
18:06the astrophysicist
18:07Ignacio García,
18:08which is
18:09It has been discussed a lot
18:10about the world
18:13of UFOs,
18:14But there has been no talk
18:15of a problem
18:15evident
18:17evident
18:17what is
18:18the one about communication.
18:20I think that
18:21the biggest problem
18:21important that they have
18:23It's just that you can't
18:23contact us,
18:24They have a lot of trouble communicating.
18:26We're going to tell you about your experience
18:26Because you tried.
18:29Tell us,
18:29from the beginning
18:30you were
18:31piloting the plane,
18:32saw an object
18:33and tried to contact him.
18:34How did it all go?
18:34Well,
18:35This is a case
18:37that happened to me
18:38It's been a while,
18:39I have already explained it.
18:39once on television
18:41And this is a flight
18:42that I did
18:43from London to Alicante
18:45and suddenly
18:46on a collision course
18:47it came to me
18:47a huge light,
18:50I stopped.
18:51practically 10 meters away,
18:54I went through physical fear
18:55because,
18:56As I said,
18:57I thought
18:58an imminent collision,
18:59but it remained static
19:01at a distance
19:02about 10 meters,
19:04it began to evolve
19:05in all directions
19:07left, right,
19:08forwards,
19:09backward
19:09And then I alerted
19:11Well, to radar control,
19:13I told him I had
19:14a strange effect
19:15unidentified
19:16and let's see
19:19if they detected it.
19:21Indeed,
19:23I spoke on the channel
19:24emergency
19:25which was May 21st
19:26which is a channel
19:27that we never used it
19:28And then the alarm was raised.
19:30full coverage
19:30of the national radar
19:31and they had contact
19:35radar
19:36of the object
19:37that I was watching.
19:39This lasted
19:40approximately
19:40about 10 minutes,
19:41at 10 minutes
19:41disappeared
19:42and then me,
19:45as he has already said,
19:46I was going to Alicante,
19:47the next day
19:47I had a flight
19:48to Barcelona
19:49and the boss
19:50alert and control
19:51He gave me a piece of paper
19:53in which
19:54everything was
19:55what there was
19:56registered
19:57the radars
19:57of the part
20:00Mediterranean
20:00of our country.
20:01You under no circumstances
20:02tried to get
20:02in contact with that plane?
20:03Yeah,
20:04We had an attempt
20:05communication
20:05in terms of lighting,
20:07at the level of words.
20:08What exactly did he do?
20:10As?
20:11What exactly did he do?
20:12Well,
20:13well I
20:13I turned it on and off
20:14the lights
20:15from the plane
20:16which are lights
20:17very powerful
20:18for example
20:18from Valencia
20:20can be seen
20:21in Ibiza.
20:23And there was no response?
20:24on the part of the object?
20:24There was one of those times
20:26yes,
20:27because I established
20:28a code
20:28turning off once
20:30and twice
20:30the lights
20:31were they yes or no?
20:32And then there was a moment
20:32that the object
20:35the one who was
20:35like a human eye
20:36that had
20:37a glow
20:38strange
20:39visacio
20:39and?
20:41we perceived
20:43It was like it was turning off
20:44and it lit up
20:44I mean,
20:44as if they were answering us
20:45questions
20:47as if they were
20:48friends,
20:49enemies,
20:50if they were from this galaxy,
20:51etc,
20:51etc.
20:51And there were times
20:53that we believed
20:55that
20:55we have believed
20:56that was turning off
20:57and it lit up
20:57as if giving us an answer.
20:59Do you think it's possible?
21:00that people of this planet
21:01leave
21:02of those ships?
21:04Well,
21:04I'm that
21:05already
21:05I find it difficult
21:07a little more to believe it
21:07Because that's one thing
21:08that I
21:09the most important experience
21:10that I have had
21:11This is what I'm telling you
21:12and the other
21:13Well, I don't have any.
21:14and yet
21:14he told us
21:15than another colleague
21:16It happened to him
21:16that two people
21:17But I wasn't on that flight.
21:18But they told him.
21:19with all the luxury
21:19And besides, they told me about it.
21:20with all seriousness
21:22of the world
21:23And then it's obvious
21:24that
21:24the flight attendant
21:25He saw something strange
21:26in those two people
21:27He notified the commander
21:28and when they came back for them
21:29They were gone.
21:30They weren't
21:30even the Civil Guard
21:31the plane melted
21:32And the plane was full.
21:34and landed
21:35with two fewer passengers
21:36as you can see
21:38the stories
21:39that a person tells us
21:40which is very close
21:41of the stars
21:42are really
21:42at least
21:43to know
21:44What could be happening?
21:45in other worlds
21:46He is with us too
21:47another person
21:48familiar to you
21:49that investigates
21:50the UFO phenomenon
21:51They are colleagues
21:52a journalist
21:52Juan José Benítez
21:53Juan José, good evening
21:54hello good evening
21:55Well, I think that
21:56the case of the commander
21:57He knew it perfectly well
21:59along with many others
22:00I think they are all spectacular.
22:02and the last one
22:02which he is working on
22:03which will be his next book
22:04It will be controversial
22:06at least
22:06Well, yes, I knew
22:08the case of the commander
22:10Juan Ignacio
22:10which is now in Yumbo
22:11and I have interrogated
22:14I think I remember
22:15that about 80 crews
22:16of commercial lines
22:18who have had experiences
22:19the latest case
22:21or the last ones
22:22which I am currently working on
22:23These are perhaps very delicate cases
22:25because they touch directly
22:27the military
22:29that is to say
22:29military personnel who
22:30have witnessed
22:32of the UFO phenomenon
22:33directly
22:34sorry
22:35I'm going to interrupt you
22:36I want to make a clarification
22:37We have also invited
22:38this program
22:39that participated
22:39a representative
22:40of the air force
22:42and have declined
22:43come to the program
22:44therefore
22:44I think it's mandatory
22:45to qualify
22:46this detail
22:48Okay, well
22:49They are all the Spanish armies
22:52from the air
22:52to land
22:54Civil Guard
22:55in the end
22:56all bodies
22:57that they have
22:57some kind of relationship
22:58with state security
22:59even
23:00And believe it or not,
23:02because many of them
23:03They have had important meetings
23:05There are even cases
23:06of disappearances
23:07of fighter jets
23:08But what happens
23:10It's like the UFO issue
23:11It's a secret
23:12It is classified material
23:13Well, it's really difficult.
23:15that it got to this point
23:18fortunately
23:19the new generations
23:20of the military
23:21they have the mind
23:22much more open
23:23and well
23:24contact is possible
23:25They might tell us
23:26what they have experienced
23:27or what they have experienced
23:28other colleagues
23:28we don't want to spoil it
23:30In colloquial terms
23:32the book
23:32But there is a very specific case.
23:34that is being investigated
23:36that of a Harris airplane
23:36from the Rota base
23:37if that's one
23:39of the important cases
23:40There's more
23:41There's more
23:42But the news
23:44that we have
23:44I am currently investigating.
23:45and therefore
23:46I can't say for sure.
23:48100%
23:48but through contacts
23:50that I'm having
23:51this plane
23:51disappeared
23:534 miles
23:53from the head
23:54track
23:55from the Rota base
23:56in Cadiz
23:57and also disappeared
23:59according to the testimonies
24:00from the plane
24:01another Harrier
24:02who was flying with him
24:03at the moment
24:04who entered a cloud
24:05the radar
24:08who was following them
24:09as is logical
24:10did not observe
24:11no trajectory
24:12descent
24:13of fall
24:13but simply
24:15It disappeared from the radar
24:16at the same time
24:17than the other pilot
24:17I watched him enter the cloud
24:18not found
24:21absolutely nothing
24:22does not exist
24:23no trace
24:24has been funded
24:25the sea has been investigated
24:26with ships
24:27with all kinds of devices
24:28with goniometers
24:29etc.
24:30and there isn't a single remnant
24:31that is to say
24:31It is one of the
24:32disappearances
24:34mysterious
24:35at least
24:35Nor can I say
24:37at all
24:38that it is a UFO
24:39we are in the process
24:41research
24:41and we don't know
24:42What has happened?
24:43that is true
24:43It's just very strange
24:45But cases like this
24:46There are many collected
24:48I suppose the commander
24:49They will have them too.
24:50Javier Sierra also
24:51and of course
24:52They are in different books
24:54about UFOs
24:55It seems to be a constant.
24:56that repeats
24:57periodically
24:58planes disappear
24:59and that people disappear
24:59that we're not talking
25:00you are welcome
25:01science fiction
25:02no, no, no
25:03what we no longer know
25:04is whether the ultimate reasons
25:06Do they have anything to do with each other or not?
25:07with UFOs
25:08That's more complicated.
25:09although there are quite a few testimonies
25:10spread across the planet
25:12in those before the disappearance
25:14of a person
25:15even from an entire family
25:16A mysterious light has been seen
25:17a strange fog
25:19in which it has been lost
25:20this whole family
25:20but they are relatively frequent
25:23There are cases
25:23I remember now
25:25from an American pilot
25:26that disappeared
25:27disappeared from the sky
25:29with another
25:30another fighter jet
25:31a few years ago
25:32and reappeared
25:34at 16
25:35He had been presumed dead
25:36reappeared
25:37at age 16
25:37and told
25:38more or less
25:39something like that
25:40to what I was saying
25:41Prosperous
25:42They taught him math
25:43and they operated on him
25:46appendicitis
25:47besides
25:47without leaving
25:48no trace
25:49in the end
25:50a series of phenomena
25:51that apparently
25:52They seem like fiction
25:53but when one
25:54They investigate them
25:54realizes
25:55that there is something really important
25:56a curiosity
25:57in this last case
25:58of this military
25:59who disappeared at age 16
26:00Had he aged?
26:01What is the question?
26:02that is done all over the world
26:02No
26:03exactly the same
26:04Time had not passed
26:06Time had not passed
26:07It's truly spectacular.
26:09I'd like to go in a little further
26:10thoroughly
26:11in the UFO phenomenon
26:12I think I also remember
26:13that there are some cases
26:15of people
26:15who have had contact
26:16with these extraterrestrial beings
26:18that land
26:18and then they leave
26:20again
26:21There is a lot of controversy
26:22is possible
26:23that people
26:24be confused
26:25when so soon
26:26it is spoken
26:26of very tall people
26:28as very low
26:29with eyes
26:29without eyes
26:29This leads to
26:30that
26:31There is a certain disbelief
26:32around
26:33to these statements
26:34that are seen
26:34in the books
26:35about UFOs
26:35It stands to reason
26:36And that's normal.
26:37because of the UFO phenomenon
26:38It's not yet
26:38accepted by the university
26:40who is really
26:40He should take charge of the issue
26:42And I hope
26:42that someday
26:43as is happening now
26:44with parapsychology
26:45well, the scientific community
26:47take charge
26:48of what we
26:49now we are
26:49carrying out
26:50with varying degrees of success
26:51there is a high percentage
26:54of people
26:55that they don't believe
26:55as we have seen
26:56in the survey
26:56But it's normal.
26:57that is to say
26:58the new generations
26:59of boys
26:59and of children
27:00for them
27:00The matter is quite clear.
27:02I think it's a problem
27:03cyclic
27:04a generation problem
27:05a problem of open-mindedness
27:06one more question
27:07at least
27:08Today is Holy Thursday
27:09and we have alluded to the beginning
27:10to the Trojan horse
27:12a book in which we are told
27:13as NASA scientists
27:15they could that night
27:16like today's
27:17in the year 30 AD
27:19attend the last supper
27:20That is scientifically demonstrable.
27:23No
27:24at all
27:25The thing is,
27:26I believe that society
27:28awareness is being raised
27:29that the military
27:30especially
27:31the military of the world
27:32They are hiding many more things from us.
27:34at the experimental level
27:35of what we imagine
27:36and then
27:38There are many experiences
27:40of which barely
27:40We have news
27:41and of others we have none.
27:43That's the key
27:45I think
27:45of the problem
27:46that is to say
27:47the day the files
27:48can open
27:49we're going to take
27:50a big surprise
27:51that is to say
27:52There's a rumor going around
27:54For example
27:54that the Apollo project
27:55It's over
27:57sharply
27:58not because it had ended
27:59the budget
28:00but because it occurred
28:01a bombing
28:02from one of the areas
28:03of the moon
28:04on purpose
28:05by themselves
28:06Americans
28:07Nothing has been said about this.
28:09Nothing is known
28:10however
28:11according to the sources
28:12that I have
28:12That could be true
28:13that is to say
28:14They are hiding it from us
28:15most
28:17from the experiences
28:18and the problems
28:19that happen
28:20and that they are doing
28:21in the world
28:21But let's go
28:22for a very long time
28:23This is not something new.
28:23Commander Lorenzo Torres
28:25Is everything that is seen reported?
28:27From the pilots' perspective?
28:29No
28:29because?
28:31Well, maybe.
28:32out of fear of ridicule
28:33because as
28:35we already said
28:36This is one thing
28:37that not yet
28:39has gone much deeper
28:40in humanity
28:41because of what he said
28:42Juanjo Abonite
28:43the thing is
28:43that there is a lot
28:45much mystery
28:46much secrecy
28:47documentation
28:48And that's it.
28:50It's very well hidden.
28:51But I know
28:52many colleagues
28:54that they have seen
28:54many
28:56strange objects
28:59as we said before
28:59and they hide it
29:01they don't want to
29:02they don't want to
29:04Don't tell anyone.
29:05as I mentioned
29:06But you guys talk about it
29:07usually
29:08When does someone
29:08will delete
29:09a phone?
29:09very much, yes, yes
29:09It's a topic of conversation.
29:10normal among the
29:11that we do it
29:11That's what I was saying before.
29:12It's a problem
29:13that no
29:15neither can we
29:16communicate with them
29:16nor they with us
29:17then of course
29:18because we don't have
29:20constancy
29:22What is that?
29:23In other words, we don't know.
29:24with certainty
29:29which is what we are
29:30seeing
29:30because we know
29:31what is a ship
29:33space
29:33or an object
29:35strange
29:35notified
29:36but that moves
29:36at speeds
29:37impressive
29:38outside of technology
29:39that we know
29:40And that's obvious.
29:42We're seeing it there
29:42but we don't have
29:44more reach
29:45for example
29:46communicate
29:48with these beings
29:49strangers
29:50as I was saying before
29:52For example
29:53on planet Earth
29:54We also have
29:55a communication problem
29:56For example
29:56us
29:57we are incapable
29:58to communicate
29:59with the ants
30:00and we know
30:01how they reproduce
30:02how they eat
30:03where they live
30:04but
30:04Who tells me?
30:06that someone
30:07of planet Earth
30:08that has been communicated
30:09with the ants
30:09Well, this is a problem
30:11that they must have
30:11with us
30:12that they are not capable
30:14to communicate
30:14And it's obvious.
30:17that are there
30:18a question
30:18prosperous
30:19You are afraid
30:19that they return again
30:20and take her away
30:21No, not at all.
30:22He has never considered it.
30:23they always showed
30:24great respect
30:24by myself
30:25Well, this is the topic
30:27tonight
30:27UFOs
30:28simply explain it to us
30:31what is it that any
30:32citizen who has
30:33curiosity to approach
30:34to all these topics
30:34that we have proposed
30:35you can see in that pavilion
30:36starting Monday
30:37Well, you can take a tour
30:41by all the different
30:43archetypes
30:44of the different
30:45sizes of the universe
30:46that is to say
30:47begin
30:47for life
30:48move on to the planets
30:50that harbor that life
30:51and others that do not harbor it
30:52the solar system
30:53a tour
30:54through the galaxies
30:55the stars
30:56even go so far as
30:57the universe
30:57on a large scale
30:58and also
30:59receive
31:00go inside
31:01from a rain
31:01of particles
31:04that become visible
31:04by some cameras
31:05of sparks
31:06then
31:07pass through those particles
31:08elementals
31:09towards the atom
31:09the core
31:11and see then
31:12in the end
31:12models
31:13of the atom
31:15of structures
31:16very small
31:17of crystals
31:17and from there
31:18to return to life again
31:19that is to say
31:20It's a snake
31:20that bites its own tail
31:21in which
31:22we will really be able to
31:23fascinate us
31:24on Monday
31:25starting Monday
31:25the meeting in Seville
31:26Thank you, Mr. García de la Rosa
31:27Good evening
31:28bye
31:28We left our message
31:30We are SAOS
31:3184886
31:33program who knows where
31:34message
31:34towards the stars
31:35we put it here now
31:36the end point
31:37of our program
31:38next Thursday
31:39a true mystery
31:40unresolved
31:40the case of the child
31:41from Somosierra
31:41that kid
31:42that he had an accident
31:43with their parents
31:43in the port of Somosierra
31:44nothing is known
31:45of this child
31:46We will try to find
31:47some answers
31:48next Thursday
31:49here on channel 2
31:49We look forward to seeing you.
31:50Well, listen
31:54a real
32:07Thanks for watching the video
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