00:00There are multiple ways by which Pakistan can be dissuaded.
00:06First and foremost is its internal security dimension.
00:12If Chinese are hesitant to move forward on the CPEC, incidentally,
00:18the CPEC has not moved much, even though it's about 12 years old now.
00:23Primarily because the Chinese engineers, personnel are being targeted constantly,
00:31even though there is one full division.
00:34Nearly 10,000 Pakistani troops are involved in providing security to the Chinese plans and activities and personnel
00:47right along from Aksai Chin up to Gwada.
00:51So that is one aspect which will be a natural buffer against any damage.
00:59Because Pakistan's own people are not in support of it.
01:04Very rightly so because the benefits of the Gwada port and whatever else happens do not come to Pakistanis.
01:13And that's what the Baluch are crying hoes about for the last 10 years.
01:16They are not coming to the Baluch where it is.
01:19This is Baluchistan.
01:21But they are going to other elements of territories and elements of Pakistan, which is to their great shock and anger.
01:30From our side, I think we will have, we have already done a move forward with the Chinese.
01:39It has been a, it hasn't been sudden, but it was certainly triggered by President Trump's
01:48threats and the possibility and prospect that we saw before us of making it clear not only to President Trump and the United States that we have other options, but actually exercise that option through a more positive forward movement on the China, India-China track.
02:12And we have seen the results of that in the recent past, the relations are improving.
02:20That will also serve as a counter to the Pakistan.
02:24And as it is, the Chinese are most unhappy with the way Pakistanis are approaching the American.
02:30Whether it is the crypto deal, whether it is the linkage with the family of President Trump, as has been reported by media people like yourself.
02:42What are the factors?
02:45Because Chinese have taken Pakistan as a friend to use their language and grammar higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the mountains, that kind of a relationship.
02:58But that relationship seems to be coming under pressure because of Pakistan now moving more and more towards the Americas.
03:07And so in the global power configuration, we had no choice but to start to do some degree of improvement of relations with China.
03:17That would be the second factor.
03:18The third factor is what is happening very naturally, India being a huge market.
03:26India's economic cloud as one of the largest growing economies in the world at roughly 6.5 to 7% every year for the last 20 years and more.
03:37And that is a substantial capability enhancement which serves as a kind of power of induction, of inducement, of attraction to markets and businesses in the Western world especially to invest in India.
04:02So it is a circular issue that you appeal to them not because of any like Pakistan going down on its knees but by showing the power of India.
04:15Therefore the benefit is not only mutual but also benefits the investor.
04:19If it is the investor.
04:20So if that happens then if we are able to enhance our growth rate and per capita which is much more important.
04:28Because we are still at the lower income country of 1170 US dollars per capita to about 4492 per capita.
04:43We are in that range.
04:44We are in that range.
04:45We will get trapped there.
04:46We have to get out of that range.
04:48And once you have comprehensive national power which includes economic power, knowledge power, technology power and of course most of all military power.
05:00If you have that package well done, the concerns you raised and the points you made about how we can neutralize the efforts by China and Pakistan together through CPAC and then Pakistan using that route to target India through cross-border terrorism.
05:21That cross-border terrorism threshold has now certainly certainly changed.
05:26We may not call it new normal but certainly deterrence levels have been made obvious by Operation Sindhu.
05:34So.
05:35But, what would you say here are the numbers on the line.
05:49And przyszal is those numbers here?
05:53We may haveane that.
05:55We may not have an amount of information here.
05:58And there may not be.
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