00:00There are multiple ways by which Pakistan can be dissuaded.
00:06First and foremost is its internal security dimension.
00:12If Chinese are hesitant to move forward on the CPEC, incidentally, the CPEC has not moved much,
00:20even though it's about 12 years old now. Primarily because the Chinese engineers,
00:27personnel are being targeted constantly, even though there is one full division.
00:34Nearly 10,000 Pakistani troops are involved in providing security to the Chinese plans and
00:44activities and personnel right along from Akshay Chin up to Gwadar. So that is one aspect which
00:55will be a natural buffer against any damage because Pakistan's own people are not in support of it.
01:04Very rightly so because the benefits of the Gwadar port and whatever else happens do not come to
01:11Pakistanis and that's what the Baluch are crying hoes about for the last 10 years.
01:17They are not coming to the Baluch where it is. This is Baluchistan. But they are going to other
01:23elements of territories and elements of Pakistan which is to their great shock and anger.
01:32From our side, I think we will have, we have already done a move forward with the Chinese.
01:39It has been a, it hasn't been sudden but it was certainly triggered by President Trump's
01:48static threats and the possibility and prospect that we saw before us of
01:57making it clear not only to President Trump and the United States that we have other options but actually
02:05exercise that option through a more positive forward movement of the, on the China, India China track.
02:13And we have seen the results of that in the recent past. The relations are improving.
02:19That will also serve as a counter to the Pakistanis. And as it is, the Chinese are most unhappy
02:28with the way Pakistanis are approaching the Americans. Whether it is the crypto deal,
02:33whether it is the linkage with the family of President Trump as has been reported by
02:40media people like yourself. What are the factors? Because Chinese have taken Pakistan as a friend
02:50to use their language and grammar higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the mountains,
02:57that kind of relationship. But that relationship seems to be coming under pressure
03:02because of Pakistan now moving more and more towards the Americans. And so in the global power
03:09configuration, we had no choice but to start to do some degree of improvement of relations with China.
03:17That would be the second factor. The third factor is what is happening very naturally. India being a huge
03:25market. India's economic cloud as one of the largest growing economies in the world at roughly 6.5 to 7%
03:33every year for the last 20 years and more. And that is a substantial capability enhancement,
03:42which serves as a kind of power of induction, of inducement, of attraction to markets and businesses
03:59in the Western world especially to invest in India. So it's a circular issue that you appeal to them,
04:06not because of any like Pakistan going down on its knees, but by showing the power of India,
04:15therefore the benefit is not only mutual, but also benefits the investor. So if that happens,
04:21then if we are able to enhance our growth rate and per capita, which is much more important,
04:28because we are still at the lower income country of 1170 US dollars per capita to about 4492
04:42per capita. We are in that range. We will get trapped there. We have to get out of that range.
04:48And once you have comprehensive national power, which includes economic power, knowledge power,
04:55technology power, and of course, most of all military power. If you have that package well done,
05:02the concerns you raised and the points you made about how we can neutralize the efforts by China and
05:12Pakistan together through CPAC and then Pakistan using that route to target India through cross-border
05:19terrorism. That cross-border terrorism threshold has now certainly, certainly changed.
05:27We may not call it new normal, but certainly deterrence levels have been made obvious by Operation Sindhu.
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