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A proibição das redes sociais pode proteger as crianças da violência e da intimidação online?
No episódio desta semana do programa "The Ring", os eurodeputados Axel Voss (PPE) e Christel Schaldemose (PSE) debatem em profundidade se a proibição das redes sociais para menores de 16 anos é ou não uma medida positiva.
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No episódio desta semana do programa "The Ring", os eurodeputados Axel Voss (PPE) e Christel Schaldemose (PSE) debatem em profundidade se a proibição das redes sociais para menores de 16 anos é ou não uma medida positiva.
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00:00Olá, e bem-vindo a The Ring, Júri Nízes debate show
00:12da União Europeia em Brasília, onde membros da União Europeia
00:18vão head-to-head sobre as suas questões sobre os seus desks.
00:21Esta semana, devemos ser que todos os EU países banam social media
00:25for under-sixteis. Is social media rewiring children's brains on our Spain, France
00:31and Denmark leading the way? Luiz Albertos sets the scene.
00:39As children in Europe are growing up in an increasingly digital world,
00:43the EU faces a fundamental question. How should it protect children online?
00:50The debate isn't just about screen time. It's about deciding how far the
00:55EU laws should go and what kind of digital Europe we're building for our children.
01:00Some call for EU-wide rules, age limits, platform accountability and stricture
01:06safeguards to protect children from harmful content and addictive design,
01:10such as infinite scrolling. Others warn that heavy-handed regulation risks
01:16overreach, infringes on national sovereignty and could limit children's digital rights
01:21and freedoms.
01:24Can Brussels set standards that both protect and empower Europe's children?
01:27Will political divisions prevent the EU from taking decisive action?
01:31The answer may shape the digital lives of a generation that has never lived offline.
01:40The questions that we have for our contenders. Let's meet them.
01:43Christel Schaldemose, a Danish MEP and a member of the Socialist and Democrats Group.
01:51She's a vice president of the European Parliament and a long-standing member of the
01:55Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection.
01:58Before entering European politics, she was the secretary general of the Danish Adult Education Council.
02:03She's best known as the lead rapporteur for the EU's Digital Services Act,
02:07which aims to make online platforms more accountable for illegal and harmful content.
02:12What is illegal offline must also be illegal online, she said.
02:17Axel Voss, a German MEP and a member of the European People's Party.
02:22He is a long-standing member of the Committee on Legal Affairs.
02:25Before entering the European Parliament, he worked as a lawyer and legal advisor.
02:29He's best known as the Parliament's lead rapporteur on the EU Copyright Directive,
02:33including the rules on online platforms' responsibility for copyrighted content.
02:38We need to stand up against fake news,
02:40and we cannot accept for social media platforms to become a legal vacuum, he said.
02:47Christel Schaldemose and Axel Voss, welcome to The Ring.
02:52The aim here is to give our viewers a real taste of European Parliament debates and voting sessions,
02:57so I hope you feel right at home.
03:00Christel, let's start with you.
03:01Because 483 MEPs voted in favour of more ambitious EU action to protect minors online,
03:08including an EU-wide minimum age of 16 for accessing social media.
03:13You were one of them. Give us your reasons why.
03:15I would prefer that it was not necessary.
03:18But the thing is that the platforms, the social media we know today,
03:21they are honestly not fit for children and young people.
03:25They are faced with murder, suicide, violence, they are being bullied.
03:31And if that's not the case, then more than half of the content is also commercialized.
03:36So I don't think that that environment is fit for our children.
03:41And since the platforms, they do not do enough themselves to protect our kids against it.
03:45I think that the next step must be to make a ban so that we can make sure that our kids are protected.
03:52I prefer them to be digital, our kids, because that's the future.
03:56But we need to protect our kids.
03:58Do you support a blanket ban?
03:59Axel Voss, 92 MEPs voted against this non-binding report and 86 abstained.
04:05Now, you voted in favor of it, but you're against this idea of a ban on social media for the under-16s.
04:11Give us your reasons why.
04:13Yes, so exclusion does not mean really protection.
04:18And this is something where I would say we need to go beyond this first step, what we have agreed on.
04:25And still, minors can circumvent the ban easily and just taking the wrong age.
04:31We should more focus on the content and the platform instead of the age.
04:38Is that not a valid point, Crystal?
04:41Because, of course, you know, we have bans when it comes to smoking and accessing alcohol.
04:46You could be asked for your ID, but, you know, minors always get away around that.
04:49Yeah, but not all of them.
04:50And we are signalizing to the kids and young people what we think is acceptable and what is not.
04:56But I also think that what we do here, if we could make a pan-European ban on entering social media before the age of 16,
05:05is also for the platforms.
05:07Because they could have prevented kids from meeting this content, but they're not doing enough.
05:12And since they're not doing enough, we need to do something.
05:14So, yes, you can always bypass, but not for the big numbers.
05:19And we are sending a signal to the young people and kids that we don't think that what is online and what is on there is good.
05:27And can I add, because, Axel, I think that you're right when it comes to a lot of content.
05:31It would be better.
05:32But on the other hand, then we are also faced with discussions about are we compromising freedom of speech
05:39if we as politicians say what we allow and what we're not allow to be online.
05:45So, I think the best way, the easiest way to protect is to make a full-blown ban.
05:50Crystal has a point there.
05:51The big companies, the big tech companies are not listening or taking Brussels and the regulators seriously.
05:58No, that's why we should focus on this platform and saying what is correct and what is not correct.
06:04So, and also focusing on the content.
06:07We need to give them a guideline what is right and what is wrong.
06:11And then we might move forward and, of course, we should have in focus these platforms in fining them or even going beyond this step.
06:22But when you give guidelines to the likes of Elon Musk, the billionaire, he sends a tweet saying the EU must be abolished.
06:28Yeah.
06:29Then, I'm sorry, you should leave the market.
06:32Elon Musk should leave the market?
06:33Yes.
06:34Do you agree with that?
06:35And how do you push a billionaire out of the market and the Tesla owner?
06:39If the platforms, they don't want to comply with the rules we have in the EU, they are free to skip the European market.
06:45We have the rules we have in the EU and if they don't want to comply, it's their case.
06:49But I still believe that our kids are faced with a lot of problematic content.
06:56And not just that, also the design of the platforms are not good for kids.
07:01They spend too much time there.
07:03We know that women, girls around 14, the age of 14, they spend more than three hours, but in average, even five, six hours on a daily basis on these platforms.
07:14Where they are formed, their views on the world is put in there, not from parents, not from schools, not from civil society, but from a business, a commercial business.
07:25And I also think that we need to consider that as well.
07:27And the data backs up what you're saying, Crystal.
07:29Eight in ten teens are checking their devices hourly.
07:33And according to a Eurobarometer, nine in ten Europeans say action to protect children is a matter, Axel Voss, of urgency.
07:40And it's easier to introduce a ban than it is to crack down on the content.
07:43Of course, the addiction is very obvious.
07:47And that's why we should focus on the content at first, but also on the algorithms.
07:55So we should also control or have a kind of a specific approach on these algorithms who are using these addiction, who are using these dark patterns.
08:06That's why I think a ban is better right now.
08:09In principle, I think your idea is probably the best in principle, but in reality, it's so difficult to do.
08:18Look at the European Parliament right now.
08:20We would not even be able to agree on what is good content and what is bad content.
08:24So we would end up doing nothing to protect our kids because the platforms, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and all the others who owns these platforms,
08:32they don't want to protect our kids because if they want to do it, they had already done it.
08:37And you don't have the luxury of time here in the parliament either to take years to decide.
08:41No.
08:41No, but if you're looking to the whole world and to the Internet Governance Forum,
08:48the whole world is looking for measures in protecting the younger generations for this mental health.
08:56Also another problem, democratic problem.
08:58But we need to do here something and we can also go together with other states in the world so that we have a broader negotiating part against all these.
09:10And you mentioned other states in the world.
09:12We understand that Ursula von der Leyen is planning a trip to Australia very soon.
09:15That's, of course, on trade, but it's likely social media and their ban will also come up.
09:19And that is very interesting because I'm following that debate as well.
09:22And they have started now and we have already seen that they have closed accounts for millions of kids in Australia.
09:29And I think we have to look and see how they fix, you know, the bypass problem.
09:34But also, does this really mean a better mental health?
09:37Does it really mean that we protect our kids?
09:40And if that's the case, I think really we should learn.
09:42So I'm curious about it.
09:43I'm going to follow it.
09:44And I'm very hopeful that Ursula von der Leyen also brings back good ideas from Australia.
09:50It seems to be working, even though I have been reading some parents are helping their children circumvent the rules.
09:57Yeah, but you can see already in Australia that they are circumventing.
10:02So the protection is not at all in this generation.
10:05So that's why we need to go beyond these.
10:09And that's why I also would say we need to think how we can support or even improve the DSA, the Digital Services Act,
10:21because this is only focusing on illegal content and not harmful content.
10:27And that's why we need to go beyond this anyway.
10:30Well, that's not completely correct, because we are also saying that if there is a systemic risk for things like disinformation, misinformation,
10:38but also hate speech, then the platforms need to risk mitigate.
10:42So they need to do something not just for minors.
10:45But we are also in the DSA, the Digital Services Act.
10:48We have an article, Article 28, and I will not be technical, but on that we have guidelines.
10:52It's about how we can protect kids.
10:55And the wording is quite clear.
10:57We need to have a very high level of protection, and that does not exist today.
11:01And since the platforms have done nothing at all to protect our kids, I think, to start with, maybe not in five years, maybe not in ten years,
11:09but here and now, we need to send a very crystal clear signal.
11:13Our kids, they are not protected, and therefore a ban is a way forward, even though we know that a percentage will probably bypass.
11:21Listen, I'm convinced.
11:23No, not really.
11:24It's a first step, it's a soft approach, but if we would like to achieve the goal for the mental health of our next generation,
11:33then we need to go beyond, and we need to be more stricter.
11:37But let me stop you there, as we are just getting warmed up.
11:40So now it's time for you both to direct each other, just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:49So, Crystal, ladies first.
11:51Yeah, but, Mr. Foss, I know that you've been working in this area for very, very long on digital questions,
11:57and in many ways, I don't think we disagree.
12:00However, you don't want to have this ban, but yet, you have suggested that we should have age verification,
12:08so that we need to verify which age people have before they enter the social media.
12:13Why should that matter if you don't want to have an age limit for entering social media?
12:19So why do we want to have age verification without having an age limit?
12:23Yeah, so age verification might only be one step, but of course we need also the competence of kids
12:31to get a feeling for algorithms, for the digital world, and so this is not the best thing to move forward.
12:41So, the balance, and even better in focusing on the content, because this is affecting the content,
12:51is also affecting younger generations beyond 16 or whatever.
12:56So, this is not really something where we can influence a lot.
13:03Content-wise, we should more concentrate and say what should be in and what should be out.
13:08But the thing is that discussing about the content does, in the present climate we have in Brussels,
13:16and in the EU right now, mean, that would mean that we do nothing,
13:19because we cannot agree about what is good content and what is bad content.
13:23And that's why I'm in favor of the ban, because we will not be able to, maybe you and I could agree,
13:27but I'm not sure that we could agree with the far right or the far left.
13:31So, there I think we need to have something.
13:34So, why shouldn't we do it now?
13:35A reaction to that, and then you can pose your first question, Mr. Voss.
13:38Yes, so, then you have to make very sure that the circumventing is not happening.
13:45And here we need probably to do a kind of a more intensive identification tool.
13:51And this, again, gives clear names or clear birthdays and so on.
13:58This is something what we need then to do in addition to something like this.
14:03But I have to follow up, because I understand the bypass or circumvening thing.
14:09But we also have bans, age limits on alcohol, and we also know that young people get access to alcohol.
14:16Shouldn't we then not have a ban?
14:18Shouldn't we have an age limit on that?
14:20Because also there we see that they are circumvening the rules.
14:23Yeah, but there is no digital alcohol in a way, or digital alcohol is more the addictive design for algorithms.
14:33And this is something what we need to tackle.
14:36And the analogue addictive, this is a different story, because online everything is possible.
14:46But, Mr. Voss, it is time for you to pose your first question.
14:48Yeah, I would like to return this question, so in the report you especially want to ban the social media use.
14:55But how we then tackle the problem of the same content appearing somewhere else.
15:03And this is something where I would say that's why it is not helpful.
15:09This banning of kids instead of banning of content.
15:11If you talk about what people, young people, kids are watching, for instance, on television, if they still watch old-fashioned television,
15:20very often you sit next to your parents and have an ability to discuss with them what is it you're seeing, what does that mean, is that the real world, how does it work.
15:30When you're on social media, you are completely on your own, and no one is really helping you or following you.
15:36And that's why it's so much more important that we do this to protect kids, because in the offline, in the analogue world, you are better protected because you have people around you.
15:45But online kids are more intelligent than their parents, so they know how to come to what they have in mind instead of the parents.
15:56Would you agree with that?
15:57But does that mean, with your point of view here, Mr. Valls, that we shouldn't care, because we cannot do anything anyway?
16:04And there are more, of course, kids understand quite a lot about how technical things work online,
16:10but should we then just give up and say that the internet should be a forum where nothing is banned, where everything is legal, even a child, pornography, etc.?
16:20You know, I think that what is illegal offline should also be illegal online.
16:23No, no, but we shouldn't have in mind that the problem is solved with this.
16:28No, we should have another approach on it.
16:32I don't think that everything is solved, but I think we can take a huge step in the direction of protecting our kids.
16:39So that's the view from our MEPs.
16:40We'd also love to hear your view.
16:42You always can write to us here at theringatyournews.com.
16:45But it is now time to bring in a new voice.
16:47I would like to bring in the voice of the Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sánchez,
16:55who said this week that Spain would ban social media for under-16s in legislation that could be introduced as soon as next week.
17:03Speaking at the World Government Summit this week in Dubai, Pedro Sánchez said,
17:07social media has become a failed state where laws are ignored and crimes are tolerated.
17:14We will protect them from the digital wild west.
17:16We will change the law to hold executives accountable for illegal and hateful content.
17:22So, Axel, what did you think of this announcement that created a bit of a storm in Dubai and Qatar as well,
17:28where the tech summit was taking place?
17:30So I'm more than less on that line.
17:33I would agree.
17:35That's why I would suggest we need to think about content.
17:39I know it's extremely difficult what content is okay and what not.
17:47But on use cases, we can draw this line.
17:52But the momentum is there.
17:53We saw this announcement from Spain.
17:54France has introduced or is planning on introducing a ban for under-15s.
17:58Greece, Denmark, Ireland also contemplating.
18:00That's true.
18:02Right now, in the whole of EU, we're discussing this.
18:05And we're discussing it for good reasons.
18:06Because we see that our kids are faced with things online that they shouldn't be able to see.
18:12And we have tried other ways and it doesn't work.
18:14So that's why a lot of governments think that this could be the next step.
18:17And I also think that if we don't do it at EU level but allow individual member states,
18:23then there's also a risk that we fragment the internal market.
18:25Indeed, but we have a patchwork of different laws and then, you know,
18:29it could face a lot of legal battles.
18:30Is it not better just to have a blanket EU ban?
18:33And that's why we in the European Parliament and a big majority did in fact suggest an EU ban,
18:39a pan-European ban.
18:41It's easier and it would cover and protect all our kids in EU,
18:44even though we know that, of course, some of them will bypass the ban.
18:49But we still believe that that's the best and easiest way here now to protect them.
18:54And to go back to Elon Musk, his ears might be burning because we mentioned him already.
18:58He called Pedro Sánchez, the Prime Minister of Spain, a traitor and a tyrant also for these comments and a fascist.
19:06No, no.
19:08So we in Europe would like to link values with technology.
19:14And that's why we can't really allow every content on platforms at all.
19:20But if these tech billionaires that run these websites, if they don't have values like we do, what do you do then?
19:25If you are not interested in a line with our values and what we have written in the DSA and DMA and so on,
19:33please leave the market.
19:35Well, of course, there's also that investigation underway by the Commission when it comes to Grok.
19:39That's the XAI chat box.
19:41We're waiting to hear more from Elon Musk and from X on that.
19:45But it is time now to take a short break here on The Ring.
19:48Stay with us.
19:49We'll be back very, very soon with some more political punch from the European Parliament.
19:52Welcome back to The Ring, Eurie News' weekly show.
20:05I'm here in the Parliament joined by MEPs Axel Voss and Crystal Schaldemose.
20:09And the idea here is to bring Parliament debates to your very sofa.
20:13This week, our guest MEPs are sharing their views on social media bans for under-16s.
20:19But we also love hearing from you.
20:21So we asked Eurie News' office of Madrid to talk to locals and ask them if a social media ban is a good idea.
20:27Take a look.
20:28Hoy en día, pues, la gente, todo lo que ve, pues, lo critica o lo transversa.
20:34Y a veces solo puede afectar un poco tanto en el autoestima como en el pensamiento de aquel menor,
20:40ya que aún no tiene desarrollado ese pensamiento maduro.
20:44Parece bien.
20:45Creo que no están formados y creo que es una buena medida.
20:49Bueno, yo creo que tal vez fuese un poco fuerte.
20:52Tal vez sería bueno tener algunas restricciones para los menores,
20:57pero prohibirlos como tal me parece una medida un poco fuerte.
20:59Lo malo es que mucha gente se crea perfiles falsos
21:01y justamente los usan para dar discursos de odio sin dar su identidad real, ¿no?
21:07Yo creo que Twitter es el que más odio y más cosas malas se pueden decir.
21:13Hay apenas un poco de opinión de las calles de Madrid.
21:17¿Tu reacción a eso, Cristian?
21:18Son gente inteligente en Madrid, tengo que decir, y creo que están bien en sus preocupaciones.
21:21You know, it's not an easy task to take another step in order to protect our kids.
21:28However, I think when you balance everything up,
21:31a ban right now for young people and kids under the age of 16
21:38is, in my opinion, the best way to protect them against what we just heard here.
21:41But a ban, of course, is a negative word for young people.
21:44Could we see a backlash from young people?
21:48I'm not sure.
21:49So, at first, the younger or the young people know what they are talking about
21:54and that's why a ban probably wouldn't always fit the situation
21:59and that's why probably they would, if they would know,
22:03to do more about algorithms or also the content.
22:07And what is the debate in Germany, the public debate on this?
22:09Yeah, of course, the last time it was has been the exploitation of sexual exploitation of children on X.
22:20And so this is something.
22:22But here, I would say it's fitting the same opinions here for Germany.
22:28And we heard there about the fear about X and the hate speech.
22:31But the thing we know from surveys in Denmark that around 94% of kids under the age of 13 is on social media.
22:40So, when we talk about people knowing the digital world and understanding what they're seeing,
22:45I simply don't agree on that.
22:47I mean, if you're 15, you might better understand and you know the techniques
22:51and you can maybe also know how to approach this and talk to an adult.
22:56But kids, real kids, and that's why, I mean, we need also to understand the depth of this issue.
23:02It is really serious.
23:04And that's the thing, Axel Voss, how do you explain or educate kids
23:07who've never lived in a world without digital devices?
23:11This is really tricky.
23:14But all the younger ones who are growing up with these,
23:19they have a kind of a natural feeling.
23:22Instead of having a real social life, they have this social life online.
23:27And probably there is a relief if you are just taking the mobile for one hour, two hours away
23:37and then they feel more free.
23:39But to come to this point, this is very hard.
23:42We know also in Denmark we have seen some schools making some tests
23:46about how it works when they are taking the phone away from the kids during school day.
23:53And in the beginning, people react very, very angry.
23:56They are angry because they are addicted.
23:58They act like an addicted person.
24:01But after 14 days, the majority of them says, well, this is in fact wonderful.
24:05We are now looking at each other.
24:06We are talking to each other.
24:07We are playing.
24:08So I also think that we are in fact doing something good for the kids,
24:12even though they might not understand it to begin with.
24:15If we make them less dependent and make sure that they spend less hours online
24:20and make sure that for a part of the content that it's not kept away from them.
24:25And that means they're not being photographed either in the school yard,
24:28which is something that a lot of people do not like.
24:30Would you be in favour of this, taking mobile phones from school kids during the school day?
24:33Yes, during the school hours.
24:36This ban you're in favour of?
24:37Yes, yes, yes, yes.
24:38So, but again, this is not age verification.
24:43This is in general something what I would say this is a good thing,
24:47especially also for the concentration in the school.
24:52Well, now it is time to move on to our fifth and final round.
24:56Are you ready?
25:00So now it is time for something a little bit different.
25:03I'm going to ask our MEPs a set of questions.
25:06And you're only allowed answer with yes or no.
25:10Is that doable?
25:11Oh, for a politician, it's difficult.
25:13It's difficult because we will try to manage.
25:15Wonderful.
25:15Are you a social media user, yes or no?
25:18Yes.
25:19Yes.
25:21Are you addicted to social media, Axel Voss?
25:23Yes or no?
25:24Totally not.
25:26No, not at all.
25:28Is social media harmful to children under 16, Axel Voss?
25:31Yes or no?
25:31Yes.
25:32Yes.
25:33Is social media harmful not just to teens, but to society in general, Mr. Voss?
25:38Yes.
25:39Also here I have to agree, yes.
25:41Are parents responsible for their children's social media usage, Mr. Voss?
25:47I would say yes.
25:49Yes, to a very large extent, but not completely.
25:52And is big tech responsible for the mental health crisis we're experiencing today?
25:56Exactly all.
25:57So they have a huge responsibility for what the content, which user are seeing which content.
26:03Yes.
26:04Are they aware of this responsibility?
26:06I don't think so.
26:07They are very well aware, but they earn a lot of money and that's why they do it.
26:10And should governments control kids' social media use, yes or no?
26:15No, not really.
26:17So, no.
26:18This is precisely where you both disagree.
26:20Yes, when it comes to when they are allowed to enter social media.
26:24Are you on Twitter?
26:26I'm on Axe, yes.
26:27And I have to say that I'm addicted to using my phone, but not necessarily social media.
26:33Are you on TikTok?
26:34No, but Axe, Insta and Facebook.
26:38Should we ban social media usage from the European Parliament?
26:42No.
26:43No.
26:44And something general.
26:46Is the future of the European Union bright for our young people watching today?
26:50I hope brighter, but it is difficult times, but we can help them have a brighter future
26:55if we help them stay away from social media.
26:58Yes.
26:58The future is bright Axel Voss and Christel Shalda Moise.
27:01Thank you so much for being with us here.
27:04Did anything change your mind from what you heard today?
27:07No, not really.
27:08I agree on a fundamental level, but we need to do more.
27:13Well, I still believe that a ban is here and now the best and easiest quick fix.
27:18Thank you so much for joining us today on The Ring and being our guest and sharing your insights
27:22with us.
27:23And thank you so much for tuning in.
27:25As I said earlier, thering at euronews.com.
27:28That is our email address.
27:29But for now, thank you so much for tuning in.
27:31Take care and see you very soon here on Euronews.
27:34Thank you so much for joining us today on Euronews.
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