00:00In your Twitter avatar, notice you're wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, right?
00:09So you're really involved and part of it.
00:11So you tell the story from your perspective and in a way that you think you can affect
00:15change.
00:16Is that?
00:16Yeah.
00:17I mean, it's so crazy.
00:18Anytime I wear that shirt, like I get a lot of mixed reactions.
00:22I have white people that are like, come up to me.
00:27They'll be like, I don't like, I don't get your shirt.
00:30Like, I don't, don't all lives matter.
00:31And I'm like, oh my, here we go.
00:33Don't all lives matter me.
00:35Oh yeah.
00:35All the time.
00:36That picture was taken actually on the day of the inauguration.
00:40And then I have, you know, I have some people that thank me for wearing the shirt.
00:44I have some people who are offended by me wearing the shirt.
00:47And so, but I think wearing a shirt that says Black Lives Matter is just making like a very
00:54simple point that Black Lives Matter.
00:56And white people need to be at the forefront, putting our bodies on the line.
01:01That is where we do the work.
01:03As Tina said, she shouldn't, you know, Black people shouldn't have to be putting themselves
01:07on the front lines, putting their bodies at harm because they're already doing that
01:10every single day.
01:12But me as a white person, I can put my body on the front lines at the forefront physically,
01:18like not in any metaphorical kind of way, but actually physically using my body to protect
01:23those who are not protected by the color of their skin.
01:27She makes a really good point about kind of what we're up against in terms of like you
01:30having that Black Lives Matter shirt on and the fact that people see the word black and
01:33feel attacked instantly.
01:34Like that is what we're up against.
01:36We can't even talk about race.
01:37This is race baiting or whatever that means.
01:39You know, just bringing the words up, talking about the issues you face, not complaining
01:44or attacking someone personally, but just talking about this is what I've been through.
01:47And so that makes that's difficult for some people.
01:49Like that's the initial hurdle.
01:51We can't even get over that to even start the conversation because people are concerned
01:55with feelings and being offended and, you know, saying the word black and can you say
01:59black and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
02:00Yes, it's ridiculous that people feel provoked when they read the words black lives matter,
02:05but isn't it such a litmus test for one's racism that those words would be challenging
02:11at all?
02:12Like what in those words is so hard to deal with?
02:15Why do you feel the need to push back against that?
02:17Would you attribute that some of it to the educational system or is it the values that
02:21you learn at home?
02:23What do you attribute that to?
02:24I think Alex got it really right that just the idea of any sort of black power or any
02:33kind of acknowledgement is really threatening to people.
02:37And I think it's about this country's history.
02:40Certainly education by and large is a story about white people.
02:45And yeah, I think it's just really, really challenging for people to have any sort of idea that there
02:52could be shared space or that like, this is not the dominion of white people.
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