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00:00In the UK, a 999 call is made to the police every three seconds.
00:22Are we going to go to a murder scene? Because it's entirely possible at that point.
00:33But not every call is as it seems.
00:36The dagger that he had is designed that it could even go through somebody's skull.
00:40Oi!
00:41What's going on?
00:42Oi!
00:43I'm going to need an ambulance.
00:44It's the investigating officers who must hunt for the truth.
00:47Keep your hands out of your pocket.
00:508-6, we have a mobile phone in the bushes here.
00:53And prove it.
00:54I can't remember anything at all.
00:56My gut was saying that he was lying to me.
00:59Examining every angle.
01:01What measures are they prepared to take to try and throw us off the Senate?
01:04We don't know.
01:05To bring the guilty to justice.
01:07She needs to stop lying.
01:10The girl's deceased.
01:12Yeah.
01:20Moreton Hall is a relatively affluent area.
01:34There are many sort of different parts of the estate that have been built up over a couple of decades or so.
01:39Three, four, five bedroom detached properties, garages.
01:43These are really sort of nice family homes.
01:49Suffolk's a really safe place overall.
01:51And Barry St Edmunds is a very sort of a nice middle class town as a whole.
01:55It is not some sort of hotbed of criminality.
01:57But in the early hours of Sunday the 20th of June, Suffolk police are called to the Moreton Hall estate.
02:07Hello.
02:08Hello.
02:09Hello.
02:10Hello.
02:11Can you hear me?
02:12Yes.
02:13OK, what's happening?
02:14There's been an attempted theft.
02:16I've apprehended somebody.
02:17He's run off.
02:18Right, OK, so has it just happened?
02:23Yes.
02:24His bicycle's here.
02:25Where are you?
02:26Yes.
02:27Right, so what actually happened?
02:28Did it happen to you?
02:29Yeah, he's attempted to steal from my car.
02:30I saw it on video.
02:31I rushed out.
02:32He ran at me.
02:33And he's run off now.
02:34Stay, stay, stay.
02:35I've ringed the police.
02:36I'm on the call.
02:37Look, the police.
02:38Neighbours have come out.
02:39Neighbours have come out.
02:40Please hurry.
02:41It's a lie situation.
02:42He's behind him.
02:43I'm on the call.
02:44I'm on the call.
02:45I'm on the call.
02:46I'm on the call.
02:47I'm on the call.
02:48I'm on the call.
02:49I'm on the call.
02:50I'm on the call.
02:51I'm on the call.
02:52I'm on the call.
02:53I'm on the call.
02:56He hasn't left the estate.
03:01I can hear shouting in the distance.
03:02I don't know what's going on.
03:03You can hear shouting in the distance?
03:04It's a police officer on their way.
03:06Yeah, they're already dispatched.
03:08It's not the light.
03:09I'm fearful that he's on his way back.
03:16Police are just arriving until they're from the blue light.
03:17OK, if they're arriving, I'll let them deal from scene, OK?
03:21The caller, he sounded quite sort of stressed.
03:23He'd obviously been through a bit of a traumatic incident.
03:26Just before one o'clock.
03:28Yeah.
03:29The camera alarm went off.
03:31OK.
03:32There was somebody in the drive trying car doors.
03:34Yeah.
03:35The family have CCTV, which has an automatic alert to their mobile phone.
03:40So they received an automatic alert.
03:42And the first occasion was just before sort of ten to one in the morning.
03:45And then it happened again sort of shortly before ten to four in the morning as well.
03:50Ten minutes ago, the alarm went off again.
03:52Yeah.
03:53So I quickly threw on my clothes, came out and found a guy trying car doors just here.
03:59I'll show you.
04:01He was in between those two grey cars there.
04:03Right, OK.
04:04And I shouted at him.
04:05I said, I know what you're up to.
04:06Yeah.
04:07I stood where you are.
04:08And he was just going, no mate, no mate.
04:10And it went like that to try and get away.
04:12Yeah.
04:13And I had a knife in my hand.
04:14And then he ran at me.
04:16OK.
04:17Right.
04:18And then he held himself there.
04:20OK.
04:21And then he argued for a bit.
04:22And he seemed to be play acting a bit, if I'm honest.
04:24OK.
04:25And then ran off.
04:26What's your name?
04:27David King.
04:30David King tells us that he had encountered the person responsible.
04:33That they had attacked him and that he had a knife.
04:37And he may well have injured a man, but he wasn't sure.
04:41The police firearms unit is immediately dispatched.
04:49And within minutes, they find someone injured in a nearby street.
04:54They located a man on the ground, having suffered a significant stab wound to his chest.
05:01It was a loss of blood.
05:03So they started to kind of cut clothing off, locate the wound.
05:07Trying to give him some level of reassurance.
05:09Trying to find out who he was.
05:11And obviously calling for paramedics as well.
05:16We move quite rapidly from somebody who's tried some car door handles
05:21to somebody who's now on the floor receiving life-saving treatment.
05:32Fire service, where's the emergency?
05:36Hello, mate.
05:37Car's on fire.
05:38What's the address, please?
05:39It's Hatfield, statue.
05:44OK, and everybody's out the car, aren't they?
05:46There's nobody in the car.
05:47No-one's in the car.
05:49No-one's in the car, it's just in the driveway.
05:51OK, we are on our way now.
05:55The call came through around about midnight from the fire brigade to the police,
06:01just reporting that a car was on fire.
06:06When officers arrived, the car was completely engulfed in flames.
06:11The fire brigade did a quick investigation
06:14and concluded that there was an electrical fault that had started the fire.
06:20There was nothing to suggest that anyone else was involved.
06:22MUSIC PLAYS
06:28Typically, it would have just been left as that.
06:34But in this instance, the lady who owned the vehicle called a mechanic,
06:39and the mechanic went out and had a look at the vehicle,
06:42and he discovered a broken bottle within the engine bay.
06:46MUSIC PLAYS
06:52She discovered multiple matches all around the vehicle,
06:56which potentially hadn't been seen the previous evening,
06:59when it was dark and everything was happening with the fire brigade.
07:04Based on this evidence,
07:06Hertfordshire police began an investigation into the fire.
07:10Scenes of crimes officers attended, along with a fire investigator,
07:14and it was confirmed at that point that it was an arson.
07:18It had been started deliberately by this bottle under the bonnet.
07:25We need to find out who's done it.
07:28So we'd start to look at CCTV around the area.
07:32We'd look for eyewitnesses.
07:34For any investigation, CCTV is amazing.
07:38Unfortunately, we didn't have that in this case.
07:41Eyewitnesses as well are brilliant.
07:43Again, we didn't have that.
07:44Without either, the police consider reasons for someone starting the fire.
07:53Several people have motives to start fires,
07:56whether that be youths for fun, recreation.
08:00There could be a serial arsonist, for all we know.
08:05But then there obviously is the possibility
08:08that it's someone that the victim knows.
08:10Police believe this is the most likely theory.
08:15In arson cases, it's a 50-50 chance
08:18of whether the offender knows the victim or not.
08:26Investigators start by looking into the background of the car owner,
08:30a 22-year-old woman.
08:33The victim, a few days after the attack on her car,
08:36received a text from a number that wasn't known to her.
08:39This said, the car's just the start.
08:46This made us more suspicious
08:47that it was someone linked to her
08:49rather than an unknown offender.
08:53Police discover this isn't the first text she's had
08:56from the unknown caller.
08:59There were some previous texts from the same phone number
09:02asking to buy cocaine
09:04and asking her to meet them in a certain place to buy an ounce.
09:10The investigation also discovers
09:12police had received a tip-off from an anonymous caller
09:15alleging the woman is a drug dealer.
09:19Please, can I help?
09:21Hiya, I've got some information about who I work with.
09:25A call was made to Hertford police
09:26before the attack on the car.
09:28OK, what's the information?
09:31I was overhearing the other day
09:33that she's selling class-age drugs
09:36to underage kids,
09:38i.e. cocaine, meth and heroin.
09:41Suggesting that the car owner was a drug dealer.
09:44How old do the kids sort of look?
09:46They look about 14 and 17.
09:49Some of them are on electric scooters,
09:50some could be on mopeds.
09:52I was a little bit worried.
09:53Hello, can you hear me?
10:06Yes.
10:07OK, what's happening?
10:08There's been an attempted theft.
10:10I've apprehended somebody.
10:12He's run off.
10:14In Bury St Edmunds,
10:16David King has confronted a thief outside his home.
10:19Shortly after, he calls 999.
10:23So what actually happened?
10:24He's attempted to steal from my car.
10:27I rushed out.
10:28He ran at me.
10:28I had a knife in my hand.
10:30You had what in your hand, sorry?
10:31I had a knife in my hand.
10:34Arriving at the scene,
10:36police find a man in the street
10:37with a stab wound to his chest.
10:39He's identified as Neil Charles.
10:43Neil was known to us.
10:45He was known to the police.
10:46I had a history of some low-level offending.
10:49What he was doing is he was committing crime
10:51to feed an addiction.
10:52Primarily, if dishonesty matters,
10:54so theft and burglary.
10:57A man is just found around the corner
10:59with serious injuries to his chest, OK?
11:01OK.
11:02And for that reason,
11:03I'm going to be arresting you, OK,
11:04on suspicion of grievous bodily harm
11:06with intent.
11:07Oh, come on.
11:08Listen.
11:08Mate, just hold on a minute.
11:12Whilst David King is still a victim of crime,
11:15he's also now a suspect
11:16for inflicting a really serious wound
11:18to Neil Charles.
11:20Does that make sense?
11:21Well, yeah,
11:22but the bit that doesn't make sense
11:23is the fact that somebody's tried to...
11:24Does that make my colleague finish?
11:25No, let me finish, right.
11:26OK.
11:28Well, looking at this
11:29from Mr King's perspective,
11:31he's in his own home.
11:32It's at night,
11:34and then suddenly he realises
11:36that there's somebody
11:38targeting his property.
11:40His first thought is,
11:42I've got to get rid of this person.
11:45Of course,
11:45you will also feel
11:47a right,
11:49in fact,
11:50to protect yourself,
11:51your family,
11:52and your property.
11:56Detective Chief Inspector
11:58Carl Nightingale
11:59is brought in
12:00to investigate the stabbing.
12:04The biggest challenge
12:05in this case is really
12:06nobody actually saw
12:07what happened.
12:09It's like literally
12:10just trying to put
12:10that piece of the puzzle
12:12into place.
12:14One hypothesis is,
12:16and David King puts this to us,
12:17that Neil Charles
12:18attacked him with his bike.
12:20He put his arm out
12:21and Neil Charles
12:22went onto the knife,
12:23and that was
12:23completely unintentional.
12:25But equally,
12:26David King
12:27could have inflicted
12:28those injuries
12:28with the intention
12:29of causing at least
12:30really serious harm.
12:32We could have had
12:33a situation
12:34where somebody else
12:35had caused that.
12:36However,
12:37the likelihood
12:37of somebody
12:38at sort of
12:38ten to four
12:39in the morning
12:39also encountering
12:41Neil Charles
12:41and also stabbing him
12:43would have been
12:44really, really remote.
12:48One of the places
12:49that the police
12:49will start
12:50their investigations
12:52is actually
12:53what you've said to them.
12:54So when you give
12:55them a narrative,
12:56this is what happened,
12:57this is the order
12:58in which it happened.
12:59The police
13:00are going to have to
13:01see where the holes
13:03are in each story,
13:04which one is actually
13:06the truth,
13:06which one is most plausible.
13:08So they are going
13:09to look for evidence.
13:14Where is the knife now?
13:16At home.
13:18Is there any blood
13:20on the knife
13:20or anything?
13:21I don't know.
13:22I just put it in the house
13:23and came back out again.
13:26Police need to find
13:27the knife David
13:28was carrying.
13:30David,
13:30where is the knife?
13:32In the kitchen.
13:34Whereabouts in the kitchen?
13:35On the worktop.
13:35On the worktop.
13:37Okay,
13:37how big is it?
13:38It's a knife,
13:38the knife.
13:42Officers first
13:43went to the house
13:44immediately after
13:44speaking with David
13:45and they encountered
13:46Edward King,
13:47who is David's son.
13:48Hello, mate.
13:49You all right?
13:50Is it just yourself here?
13:51Yes.
13:52Okay.
13:52Can I come in, please?
13:54In the 999 call,
13:56it was kind of indicated
13:56that it was just
13:57a normal standard knife.
14:00Police discover a knife,
14:02but it's not the steak knife
14:03David King describes.
14:07The knife he had
14:08is the Fairburn Sykes
14:10military dagger.
14:13That's issued
14:14to military personnel,
14:16special forces,
14:17commandos.
14:18It's double-edged
14:19and that is designed
14:20that could even go
14:21through somebody's skull.
14:24It's quite plausible
14:26that you would take
14:27something to defend yourself
14:29just in case
14:30you were going
14:31to get attacked.
14:33If the weapon
14:34that you take outside
14:35is something like
14:36a military-grade weapon,
14:38for example,
14:39the arguments against you
14:40will be stronger.
14:43Along with the combat knife,
14:45police also retrieve
14:46CCTV footage
14:47footage from the family's
14:48home security cameras.
14:52When you kind of join together
14:54the 999 call
14:55and then the footage,
14:56it tells us that David King
14:57had really,
14:58from a very early stage,
15:00lied to us.
15:01So this is Neil Charles
15:10on the driveway
15:10of the family home
15:11and it's just prior
15:12to 10 to 1.
15:13Neil is obviously
15:14just trying on the off chance
15:15that they may be unlocked
15:17before he moves off again,
15:18realising they're not.
15:22Two and a half hours later,
15:24Neil Charles returned back
15:26to the family home
15:27with the Kings,
15:28is on and off
15:29the driveway very quickly.
15:33We've now got
15:34the moving footage
15:35of the family home,
15:36it's the same view as before
15:37and we can see
15:39somebody coming out
15:40of the address
15:40and we can identify
15:45that this person
15:46who comes out
15:46is clearly not David King.
15:50We later identified
15:51that first person
15:52as Edward King,
15:55followed shortly thereafter
15:56by his father David.
15:59So the CCTV clearly shows
16:03both David and Edward
16:05going out together.
16:06Edward going out first
16:07but they are clearly
16:08acting together
16:09as a pair.
16:11David has not told us
16:13about any involvement.
16:14We've already spoken
16:15to Edward by that point
16:16and he's given us
16:17no indication
16:18that he's involved.
16:19Is it just yourself here?
16:20Yes.
16:21OK.
16:21Can I come in please?
16:22Do you have a warrant?
16:23I don't need a warrant.
16:24After a few minutes
16:32you see David King
16:33coming back.
16:34At this point
16:34when he returns to the home
16:36he's on his mobile phone
16:37to the 999 operator
16:38and you see
16:39a very intentional
16:40finger up to the lips
16:42as to say
16:42shush.
16:43That is a real game changer
16:51in terms of building our case.
16:53Edward, he's no longer
16:54a witness
16:54but should be considered
16:56a suspect
16:56as being involved
16:57in this
16:58along with his father.
16:58In Hertfordshire
17:05police are investigating
17:07the firebombing
17:08of a young woman's car.
17:11They've received
17:12an anonymous tip-off
17:13and found texts
17:14on her phone
17:14suggesting
17:15she's a drug dealer.
17:18Hello Hertfordshire police.
17:20Hello.
17:21But police received a call
17:22seven and a half weeks
17:23before the fire
17:24to suggest
17:25another motive.
17:27Just offer some advice.
17:28I think for the moment.
17:30Yeah, what's happened?
17:31I've got a bit of
17:32an ex problem.
17:35The car owner
17:36had made
17:36an initial call to us
17:37reporting
17:38that she was having
17:39some problems
17:40with her ex-partner.
17:41She'd told him
17:42several times
17:43she didn't want
17:43anything further
17:44to do with him
17:44and to leave her alone.
17:47He keeps coming
17:48into my face of work.
17:49He started leaving
17:51moats
17:52from a company vehicle
17:52that I use.
17:55So he's basically
17:56I don't want to say
17:58harassing me
17:59but I do believe
18:00that's what he's doing.
18:02She'd go out to work
18:03early in the morning
18:04and she found notes
18:05left on her van
18:06were clearly
18:07love letters
18:08basically saying
18:09I'm not going to
18:10leave you alone.
18:11I need you to speak
18:12to me.
18:13This isn't the end.
18:15We can work on this.
18:16Well I've got to the state
18:18of where I've just
18:19called it enough
18:20is enough.
18:20Yeah.
18:21I've spoken to a few
18:22colleagues that I work
18:23with.
18:23Yeah.
18:24They just go straight
18:24to the police
18:25and all.
18:25Yeah definitely.
18:27Can I take your
18:28ex-partner's name?
18:29Michael Miller.
18:32He was a fair bit
18:34older than her
18:35a good sort of
18:3510 plus years.
18:37They started a relationship
18:38which was okay
18:39to start with
18:40but then I think
18:41she realised
18:42the age difference
18:42was potentially
18:43too much
18:44and she tried
18:45to end it
18:45a few times.
18:47Concerned that
18:48Michael Miller's
18:49behaviour could
18:50escalate
18:50police arrest him
18:52on suspicion
18:52of stalking.
18:55The allegation
18:56is that you have
18:57been stalking
18:58your ex-partner
18:59from the date
19:00the 21st
19:01of July
19:022024.
19:04Hold on.
19:04I've been stalking
19:05her since the 21st
19:07of July
19:07which is what
19:07over three weeks?
19:10Yeah about three
19:11weeks.
19:11I've asked
19:12for the last
19:13three weeks
19:14for my stuff
19:14back.
19:17I've asked for it
19:18she's told me
19:18she's posted it
19:19I've had no
19:21evidence on my
19:22phone whatsoever
19:22of anything
19:23and that's
19:26Caster stalking.
19:28I'm not being
19:29funny she's
19:29taking the piss.
19:32She messaged me
19:32last night
19:33she said
19:34she'd report me
19:35for Fest
19:35saying that I
19:38own three grand
19:39which is all
19:40and did he
19:43say what the
19:43three grand
19:44was for
19:44was it like
19:45money he's
19:45given you
19:46over your
19:46relationship
19:46or a gift
19:47or
19:48I don't know
19:49because I've
19:49never asked
19:50for money.
19:52I haven't
19:53asked for her
19:54to have her
19:54back I've
19:54just asked for
19:55a particular
19:56item that has
19:57three grand's
19:58worth of
19:59jewelry in it.
20:01What's that?
20:01I've got a
20:03stitched teddy
20:03with my
20:03nan and
20:04granddad's
20:04sentimental
20:05rings that
20:06I've had
20:06put inside
20:07the teddy
20:07and I
20:08haven't had
20:09no explanation
20:10where it is
20:11I've had
20:12nothing to
20:12tell me it's
20:13been posted
20:13delivered
20:14or she's
20:15lost it.
20:17Michael
20:18Miller said
20:18that the
20:20teddy that
20:20he'd given
20:21to the
20:21victim contained
20:22his
20:23grandparents
20:23wedding rings
20:24and that's
20:26why he was
20:26so keen to
20:27get the
20:28item back
20:29from her.
20:30Okay so
20:30this is what
20:30this is all
20:31about then?
20:32It's my
20:33stuff yeah.
20:33If it wasn't
20:34so high priced
20:35I wouldn't
20:36give a shit.
20:37I spoke to
20:38the police
20:38the police
20:39haven't done
20:39anything like
20:40normal.
20:41She goes to
20:42the police
20:42I'm just
20:43where I am.
20:45On my
20:46phone you
20:46will see a
20:47message saying
20:47that she
20:48stalked me
20:49in her car
20:50on a Sunday
20:50morning.
20:52Michael
20:53Miller had
20:53said that
20:54she'd been
20:55following him
20:55in her car
20:57and flashing
20:58her lights
20:59at him
20:59so you
21:00messaged
21:00about it?
21:01Yeah I
21:01asked her
21:02the question
21:02why are you
21:03flashing me
21:03and she
21:04said no
21:04contact
21:05so what
21:05are you
21:05flashing me
21:06for?
21:06I didn't
21:07do anything
21:08out of my
21:09way to get
21:10her attention
21:10at all.
21:12She's told
21:12me not to
21:13go to the
21:13house which
21:14I haven't.
21:16I don't
21:17know what
21:17she's trying
21:17to do or
21:19she's trying
21:19to get me
21:19nicked or
21:20whatever.
21:21She needs
21:22to stop
21:22lying.
21:23my gut
21:29in this
21:29case
21:29was saying
21:30that he
21:31was lying
21:31to me
21:32although at
21:33this point
21:34it couldn't
21:35be completely
21:36proven.
21:37I did have
21:37that gut
21:38instinct that
21:39he had been
21:41stalking the
21:41victim.
21:42in Burris
21:53and Edmonds
21:53father and
21:54son David
21:55and Edward
21:55King have
21:56been arrested
21:56and charged
21:57with causing
21:58grievous bodily
21:59harm with
22:00intent after
22:01Neil Charles
22:02tried to
22:02break into
22:02their cars.
22:05He is found
22:06stabbed near
22:07their home.
22:09Neil was
22:10taken to
22:11hospital.
22:12and became
22:13quite clear
22:14very early
22:14on as well
22:15that Neil
22:16was not
22:16going to
22:16survive
22:17his injuries.
22:20It was a
22:20couple of
22:21days after
22:21that he
22:22sadly died.
22:24The passing
22:25of Neil
22:26obviously
22:26changed the
22:27investigation
22:27from
22:28grievous bodily
22:29harm to
22:29a homicide
22:30and murder
22:31investigation.
22:32David King
22:33claims he
22:34acted in
22:34self-defense
22:35when Neil
22:36Charles
22:36attacked him.
22:38Yeah, but
22:38the bit that
22:39doesn't make
22:39sense is the
22:40fact that
22:40somebody's
22:40tried to
22:41sleep.
22:41Just let
22:41my colleague...
22:42The laws
22:44around self-defense
22:45are actually
22:46quite complicated.
22:49Generally, you
22:50are allowed to
22:51use reasonable
22:51force to
22:53protect yourself
22:54if somebody
22:55is invading
22:55your space
22:56or trying
22:56to harm you
22:57in some way.
23:00What becomes
23:01complicated then
23:02is what's
23:04reasonable.
23:05the timeline in
23:07this case is
23:08very important
23:10when you're
23:10trying to
23:11establish
23:12exactly what
23:13happened.
23:15Further
23:15analysis of
23:16the home
23:16CCTV footage
23:18reveals both
23:19David and
23:19Edward searching
23:20for Neil
23:21Charles on two
23:22separate occasions
23:23that night.
23:24what's really
23:29significant about
23:30that footage
23:31before one
23:31o'clock in
23:32the morning
23:32is the amount
23:33of time that
23:33they're then
23:34away for.
23:36This is the
23:37moving footage
23:37of David and
23:38Edward King
23:38returning back
23:39to the address.
23:40By this point,
23:41they have been
23:42out for just
23:42over 20 minutes.
23:44Now, being on
23:45foot on that
23:45estate, you can
23:46cover a huge
23:47amount of
23:47distance in
23:48that 20 minutes.
23:49It shows that
23:52they were
23:52actively seeking
23:53somebody.
23:54That's more than
23:54just having a
23:55glance around.
23:56That's more than
23:56acting as a
23:57deterrent.
23:58And of course,
23:58in that time,
23:59they never put a
24:00call into the
24:01police.
24:03They really
24:03wanted to find
24:04this guy, but
24:05they didn't find
24:06him, so they
24:06go back home.
24:08And the actual
24:09attack happens
24:10some hours later
24:11when Mr.
24:12Charles returns
24:13to their
24:14property.
24:15On the second
24:19occasion, Neil
24:20Charles, he's
24:21there for just
24:21a little bit
24:22over 25 seconds.
24:24And then Edward
24:25King is the
24:26first to exit.
24:2803.49.38.
24:31So we are
24:31literally talking
24:32about just over
24:33a minute and a
24:33half from Neil
24:35Charles leaving
24:36the driveway to
24:37Edward King,
24:38followed by his
24:39father being up,
24:41dressed, out.
24:43I think
24:44heightened emotions
24:46and maybe anger
24:48and that sense
24:50that we're entitled
24:51to protect our
24:52property was
24:53particularly high
24:54in that moment.
24:56Police need to
24:57scrutinise the
24:57CCTV footage to
24:59see if both David
25:00and Edward were
25:01armed.
25:05You can clearly
25:06see in this
25:07still image that
25:08you've got Edward
25:09King and then in
25:10the waistband of
25:11his jogging bottoms
25:12here, you can
25:13clearly see an
25:14object sticking up
25:15and we've kind of
25:15highlighted that.
25:21We believe that
25:22to be a long
25:23edged weapon or
25:24a long weapon.
25:29Two and a half
25:30hours later,
25:31Neil Charles has
25:32just left the area.
25:34What you can
25:34clearly see,
25:35Edward King at
25:36the end of the
25:37driveway and there
25:38is a long object
25:39there in his right
25:40hand which is not
25:41only taken out with
25:42him but he's
25:43actually got it
25:44drawn ready for use.
25:49They were intent
25:50upon finding this
25:51person and then
25:52dealing with them
25:53and we know that
25:54on the second
25:55occasion David
25:56also had that
25:57dagger.
25:58there's clearly some
26:08shrieks and there's
26:10clearly somebody in
26:11distress.
26:13There's certainly
26:14lots of shouting and
26:16there is really
26:17aggressive voices in
26:19that incident.
26:20he ran at me,
26:22I had a knife in my
26:22hand, he ran at me
26:24and he's run off now.
26:25You had what in your
26:26hands, sorry?
26:27I had a knife in my
26:28hands, he's rushed off
26:30now.
26:31Did you think that
26:32he's injured?
26:34He says he is.
26:35Right, so he may have
26:36like cut himself on that
26:37or something?
26:37I don't know.
26:39I don't know.
26:40If you're carrying a
26:45weapon outside of your
26:48property, that is
26:49illegal in and of
26:51itself.
26:51You simply can't do
26:55that.
26:58If you had that
26:59reasonable excuse,
27:00well I just ran out the
27:01door with the knife,
27:02was your use of that
27:04knife then reasonable
27:06as well?
27:06So it all comes down to
27:08really what's plausible,
27:09what's reasonable and
27:11what's believable too.
27:14What becomes clear from
27:15the investigation is that
27:17Neil Charles was not a
27:19violent man.
27:21None of the offences that
27:23Neil had come to our
27:25notice for concerned any
27:26violent crimes or carrying
27:27any weapons or anything
27:28like that.
27:30He simply wasn't an angel
27:31but he was really quite a
27:33gentle person.
27:35Neil had been recently
27:36engaged prior to his
27:37death and he was
27:39looking forward to the
27:40future, that was really
27:42clear.
27:43They'd booked a date to be
27:45married and he was very
27:47much looking forward to
27:48the next part of his life.
27:51He was not somebody who
27:52would have sought that
27:53confrontation or reveled in
27:55it.
27:55He would have been trying to
27:56get away.
27:58The post-mortem also
28:00suggests that Neil's death
28:01death is unlikely to have been
28:03an accident.
28:06That injury was not
28:07sustained by Neil Charles
28:09running onto the knife.
28:11Any injury like that always
28:12has to have an element of
28:13thrust.
28:14So somebody actually using the
28:16knife and thrusting that
28:18forward in order to inflict
28:19that injury.
28:22Police suspect David and
28:23Edward King hunted down
28:25Neil Charles and one of them
28:26killed him.
28:32But they still have to prove
28:34exactly what happened.
28:35The allegations is that you
28:44have been stalking your ex
28:46partner.
28:50I'm not being funny.
28:51She's taking the piss.
28:53In Hertfordshire, Michael
28:55Miller is being interviewed
28:56following claims he's been
28:58stalking his ex, a 22-year-old
29:00woman.
29:01It's almost seven weeks
29:03before her car is
29:04firebombed.
29:06I don't know what she's
29:08trying to do or she's
29:09trying to get me nicked or
29:11whatever.
29:12It's alleged Michael
29:13Miller left letters on his
29:15ex-girlfriend's car.
29:18One of the questions that
29:19I'd asked Michael Miller was
29:21about the letters.
29:24She goes and say, on
29:25Monday the 5th of August,
29:27I walked out of my house to
29:29my van and on my van I
29:30found a note.
29:32Right.
29:32The note was tucked into
29:33the windscreen, which was
29:35tucked under the window
29:35wipers.
29:36I opened the note.
29:37In the note he apologised
29:38for what's happened between
29:39us and wrote that he
29:40wanted us to meet.
29:42The note had my name so
29:43it was clearly for me.
29:44The letter was in
29:45Michael's handwriting.
29:46How does anyone know my
29:47handwriting?
29:48Have you written anything
29:49to her?
29:50Why would I go to her
29:51house, go write anything,
29:54piss her off even more
29:55than she already is?
29:56Have you handled this
29:57letter?
29:58How would I know?
29:58What if I've just told you
30:00I haven't written a letter?
30:01So if there happened to be
30:02fingerprints on this letter,
30:05can you explain how they
30:06would be there?
30:08I've put letters in my
30:10bedroom.
30:10I haven't delivered any.
30:12You've put letters in your
30:13bedroom?
30:13Yeah.
30:14What do you mean?
30:15I've written letters to her.
30:16I've never delivered any.
30:17So you said just now you
30:21haven't written any letters
30:22but then you're saying you
30:23have written letters at home.
30:24I haven't posted any,
30:26labelled any,
30:27stamped it anywhere,
30:28shoved it anywhere.
30:29So where is it now?
30:31Hmm?
30:31Where it can have been.
30:33As much as I want to read it
30:35every night or look at it,
30:37think about posting it,
30:39pointless.
30:39He said he had written one
30:44of the notes and that it was
30:46just to get his feelings out
30:48on paper but that he hadn't
30:49done anything with it.
30:50He said that he'd put it in
30:52the bin and he couldn't
30:54explain how it had ended up
30:57on the victim's vehicle but
30:59then introduced the fact that
31:01a friend had been at his
31:02house and that he thought
31:03maybe his friend had taken
31:04the note from the bin and
31:06delivered it to the victim
31:07for him.
31:07Are you lying to me?
31:09Why?
31:09OK.
31:10Why would I be lying to anyone?
31:14Because we know that Miller
31:15was in a relationship with
31:17the victim, to me he would
31:18fall into that category of
31:20the rejected stalker.
31:22For a rejected stalker it's
31:25actually very common for them
31:26to not take responsibility and
31:28to push the onus and the
31:30blame onto the victim.
31:34Michael Miller actually has a
31:35stalking protection order and
31:37that's in regards to a
31:38previous partner of his.
31:41Given the fact that Miller
31:42already has a previous
31:44history of stalking the police
31:46should be alert to that fact.
31:48They should be hyper aware that
31:50he has previously committed this
31:52kind of behaviour and there's a
31:53possibility of escalation and
31:55even violence.
31:57While police investigate
31:58further Michael Miller is
32:00released on bail on the 13th of
32:02August and banned from contacting
32:04his ex-girlfriend.
32:12Fire service, where's the
32:13emergency?
32:14Hello mate, cars on fire.
32:17Seven weeks later, Michael
32:20Miller's ex-girlfriend's car is
32:22firebombed.
32:23Police believe he may be
32:24responsible.
32:25So we've started to investigate
32:27him a little further and we've
32:30identified via number plate
32:31recognition cameras that his
32:33vehicle was close and went into and
32:35out of Hatfield around the same time
32:37as the offence happened.
32:38So as a result of that, Miller became our
32:43prime suspect for the arson.
32:49Hello there, is Michael in?
32:51He's in bed.
32:52Are we all right?
32:53Did you come in and speak to him?
32:54Yes, certainly.
32:56Hello Michael.
32:57I won't even come in here if you're
32:58going to come and arrest me because
32:59I'm not having it.
33:01Michael.
33:01No.
33:02I'm going to get changed.
33:04The time is 11.52.
33:06You're fucking joking me.
33:07You're under arrest on suspicion of
33:09arson.
33:10After Miller's arrest, we're able to
33:12search his address to try and find
33:13evidence of this arson, but anything
33:16that connects him to it, such as
33:19items linked to causing fires, any
33:21chemicals that could do that,
33:23anything that could ignite a flame.
33:25Don't need anything, then we'll get
33:27a guide.
33:29Yeah, we'll close the door.
33:30But also digital devices, anything that could link him to the text message that was sent to the victim,
33:45or even his location at the time.
33:47Yeah, if you start with the cabinet.
33:49Police need to find a phone.
33:52Obviously, if you find phone or SIM card, let me know and I'll pop it in a bag.
33:55When we look at the escalation in Miller's behavior, there's no reason, from his perspective, it seems to stop.
34:03He's not showing any remorse, any regret, any insight, so it feels like this trajectory would
34:09have just continued, perhaps even to violence, unless and until he was interrupted by the police.
34:14On to the bed.
34:26Found a phone.
34:30That phone, it was located under his bed.
34:32Jackpot.
34:33Does it ring in?
34:34Yeah.
34:38Finding that phone and the review of it was very key in this case.
34:44In Burris and Edmonds, David and Edward King are suspected of murdering Neil Charles.
35:01But detectives need to prove it.
35:03They set about searching the family home for evidence.
35:11When the officers go to the family home,
35:13we found that there had been a huge number of knives purchased and those were not just ordinary
35:19kitchen knives.
35:20There were a variety of different knives, including machetes, including a ninja sword.
35:26The ninja sword, we believe from the evidence, was the weapon that Edward was in possession of.
35:31That was actually purchased just a few days before Neil was killed.
35:40That was actually found in the airing cupboard.
35:43Equally, in the same airing cupboard, was a machete.
35:49Police then uncover evidence of why they may have bought these.
35:52In June 2019, they woke up one morning to find that one of their vehicles had gone blocks and
36:00the wheels from that vehicle had been stolen.
36:05They were genuine victims of crime.
36:08That's what led to them putting up the CCTV and security measures that they did.
36:12When somebody's been targeted for crime, they can react in multiple ways.
36:21I think in this case, rather than being intimidated by what happened to them, they become outraged.
36:29How dare they?
36:30They ever do this again.
36:32They are going to pay.
36:35Then digital forensics unearthed text messages between David and Edward,
36:40which provide investigators with a possible motive.
36:44They talk about their hatred for people who commit this sort of crime and what they would do to them.
36:51Talking about shooting them, aiming for the knees, punching their heads in.
36:56It showed that they weren't going out just to ward somebody off.
37:01They were going out with a premeditated hatred of people who committed crime.
37:10That is vigilantism.
37:19Mr Charles is serial offender.
37:22It's almost a situation where you've brought these two people together.
37:29Neither of them really knew who the other one was.
37:33And certainly, Mr Charles didn't realise who he was targeting that night.
37:37He picks on the wrong house that night.
37:50Although investigators are convinced the pair set out to hurt Neil,
37:54they still need to prove conclusively that both were involved in the attack.
38:04The pathology report says that Neil Charles was stabbed to the chest and that punctured his left lung
38:10and that ultimately caused his death.
38:11The fatal blow was caused by David King using his military knife.
38:22The forensic evidence also proves the ninja sword was used on Neil Charles.
38:27The report picked up an injury above his left knee and also picked up on some superficial wounds in the left wrist.
38:37Defensive wounds from being attacked.
38:39And that we believe from the evidence was caused by the ninja sword that Edward was in possession of.
38:51You're coming!
38:52Edward King has used the ninja sword, David King has used the dagger.
38:59They have both used their weapons.
39:04Together with the CCTV footage, weapons and text messages,
39:09police feel they have enough evidence to get a conviction at court.
39:12It was always our case that David and Edward King, armed with a ninja sword and that military dagger,
39:21went out to inflict at least really serious harm on whoever it was that tried their car door handles.
39:28At their trial, father and son deny murder.
39:31But in a unanimous verdict, both David and Edward King are found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.
39:42Two people decided that morning to go out as vigilantes, take the law into their own hands and take the life of a person.
39:56Even after they had committed their crime, they stood by while he was dying in the street.
40:01To this day, they have shown no remorse.
40:05Our hope is David and Edward King served their whole sentences.
40:09But it's the least that should happen, considering their brutal crime.
40:15There was a future that Neil had that he'll never enjoy.
40:20You know, we're dealing with a crime that's had real human significant consequences,
40:25and there's no getting away from that.
40:29The justice that Neil Charles deserved was being located, arrested and put before a court,
40:36based upon the evidence.
40:38The justice that he got was being stabbed by a military dagger and being attacked with a ninja sword.
40:45That was their form of justice, and that form of justice just cannot exist.
40:48The justice that Michael Miller has been arrested on suspicion of petrol bombing his ex-girlfriend's car
41:10after a stalking campaign.
41:11I found a phone.
41:15During a search, officers have retrieved a phone hidden under his bed.
41:20I'm just going to run through all the evidence, just to show what it looks like from our side.
41:24That phone has been found under your bed in what seems like your possession.
41:30The phone's not mine.
41:31The phone was left in my car.
41:32The phone was left off.
41:34In an interview, Miller was asked about the phone.
41:37He said that a friend of a friend had left it in his car, so he'd taken it out of the car,
41:42and placed it under his bed for safekeeping.
41:44It's not mine.
41:45So, my fingerprints will be over it before you start.
41:50So, this morning, an intelligence download was conducted of that mobile phone.
41:57Right.
41:59We were able to see that the phone that was found under his bed contained the text message
42:04sent to the victim saying the car is just a start.
42:10She's received a message stating the car was just the start to ****.
42:14Okay.
42:15Do you have anything to say about that at all?
42:16No.
42:17No, that's just fucking childish whoever's done it.
42:19Okay.
42:20Do you have anything to say about that?
42:21I have no idea who's messaged her or what's gone on.
42:26He was surprised that there were messages on it that may have linked him to the offence.
42:30I don't think he was fazed at all by the evidence that was put to him.
42:34Michael, you see how this looks.
42:36A mobile phone's been found within your possession that sent this message.
42:41Is there anything you can tell me at all?
42:43I haven't sent that message.
42:48On further review of that phone, there are messages which look like it's someone trying to buy drugs.
42:55Something that is alleged that you've also reported her for doing.
43:01That's not me.
43:04I was overhearing the other day that she's selling class aid drugs to underage kids.
43:11There was no evidence whatsoever that the victim was involved in drug dealing.
43:15It's likely that Miller's made that phone call to the police to further damage the victim's reputation.
43:20So it looks there like you're trying to set her up for something.
43:26I know I'm on bail conditions. I know my bail conditions.
43:29I haven't broken one bail condition because I just want it to be over with so I can concentrate on my life.
43:35But whatever moron has decided to attack her car, message her, yes, the phone does look bad being under my bed.
43:43But that has nothing to do with me. I will not go out of my way to go and hurt her.
43:50It's now down to officers to prove the phone was his.
43:52On review of the phone, we were able to find a phone call made to police that Miller had made himself regarding theft of a teddy bear.
44:06I've just asked for a particular item that has three grand's worth of jewellery in it.
44:13What's that?
44:14I've got a stitched teddy with my nan and grandad's rings that I've had put inside the teddy.
44:20And that was how we were able to attribute that mobile phone to belonging to Miller.
44:28All the evidence we had overpowered the account that he gave an interview.
44:32At the end of the interview, we thought we had enough to charge Miller with the stalking and for the arson.
44:42Miller clearly isn't getting the reaction, the emotional response that he wants from the victim.
44:47And that's why he's escalating his behavior because he doesn't feel validated.
44:52It's easy to see why from his perspective, he feels that he has to do something even more
44:57attention grabbing, even more intense, even more dangerous.
45:00Although he initially pleads innocent, on advice from his solicitor, Michael Miller changes this.
45:07I feel that Michael should have had the book thrown at him for what he did.
45:12And had it gone to trial and he was then found guilty, his sentence would have been greater.
45:16But I think the fact that the victim didn't have to give evidence outweighs what sentence he was given.
45:22Instead, a personal statement meant her voice didn't go unheard.
45:30What happened just doesn't feel real.
45:33Every time I close my eyes and try to relax, all I see and think about is the night that the car was set alight.
45:40So much could have gone wrong.
45:45I really just want to be left alone so that I can try and rebuild my confidence and get on with my life.
45:51I have no doubt that the mental scars will remain with me for a long time.
45:57After pleading guilty to charges of arson and stalking, 38-year-old Michael Miller is sent to prison.
46:03If Miller hadn't been convicted, it could have escalated.
46:21And in cases like this, previously led to domestic homicides before, we considered Miller to be very dangerous.
46:28Which is why we as the police need to stay on top of him, manage him and his behaviour against vulnerable women.
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