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00:00My dear, the oxygen is there as long as...
00:05Excellent.
00:08I have lung cancer.
00:11I've never smoked...
00:13And I ended up with lung cancer.
00:19My memory isn't very good right now.
00:22I want to tell this story while I still can.
00:25I think I always knew my brother was bad.
00:32I don't blame my parents.
00:35But I wish they would pay more attention.
00:38It was awful.
00:41It wasn't safe.
00:43He changed everyone in the family, and in a bad way.
00:48A burden for our family.
00:55Look, I don't think I've ever met anyone in my life who liked...
01:21To torment as much as he liked.
01:24And truth.
01:26You grow older and discover that perfect families weren't perfect after all.
01:30And we seemed like a perfect family.
01:34If I had to think of one word that kind of sums up the situation, it would be "secret."
01:40The secrets that Billy made us keep.
01:47In a way that made it impossible for us to be sisters.
01:50Just like normal people are.
01:53If we kept...
01:56Or not, secrets.
01:58This doesn't even need to be debated.
02:00Everything was a secret.
02:01In our house.
02:05When you finally want to tell, it's...
02:09It's much harder to tell.
02:12Carrie never told her story to anyone.
02:16She lived in silence.
02:20This might be the last time I see you.
02:23When I get out of here, after all this...
02:27This will be the last time I see you.
02:29It's likely.
02:32All of this...
02:33It's very tragic.
02:59Living with the Enemy
03:15I always thought it was strange...
03:19Since childhood...
03:21Billy wasn't part of my immediate family...
03:24Like, he didn't live with us.
03:26Up to my first grade.
03:29One day...
03:30I woke up...
03:31My mother was making breakfast.
03:35I was looking at the back door...
03:37AND...
03:38I saw my brother who was fighting in the backyard.
03:41With a guy twice his size.
03:44What's going on, love?
03:46I asked my mother...
03:47Who was fighting?
03:51Who was it?
03:51And she said it was Billy.
03:54That's when I saw Billy.
03:55My parents said he was in the hospital.
03:59He is 19 years older than me...
04:01And I knew he had gone to Vietnam.
04:03So, when he was in the hospital...
04:06I thought it was because of the war.
04:09But that wasn't true.
04:10Nobody ever said...
04:12Why was he in the hospital?
04:14We didn't talk about it.
04:18I had no idea what he had done.
04:20And when he returned...
04:21They all became different.
04:23Everyone has changed.
04:25I was a child and I realized it.
04:27It was kind of strange.
04:28Why...
04:29There were many things they didn't tell me about Billy.
04:31And they thought it was best not to tell me anything.
04:35In my family...
04:37Certain things were not talked about.
04:40She was 6 years younger than me.
04:45AND...
04:46I never told anyone that he had done something horrible.
04:51She had no idea.
04:53AND...
04:54I found...
04:55That he could leave the hospital...
04:56He was better.
04:58And that...
04:59I had no reason to worry about it.
05:03I feel very guilty about this.
05:06Why...
05:07I think that...
05:08If I had...
05:09Counted...
05:10He could have saved her from Billy.
05:12As a child...
05:32Billy was tidying up...
05:33Confusion at school.
05:35Confusion at home.
05:36Billy, I don't understand why you keep doing this.
05:41AND...
05:41He was getting beaten...
05:44As...
05:46Punishment for...
05:48Bad behavior.
05:50He was beaten with a belt.
05:53But...
05:53Billy didn't like it when people told him what to do.
05:57When they said he couldn't do it...
06:00Something.
06:01He always came back and did exactly what he wasn't supposed to do.
06:05He was very stubborn.
06:09My mother would get so stressed when...
06:13He wasn't doing what he should have been doing.
06:15And there...
06:16I would end up asking...
06:18As punishment.
06:20I want this to be the last time.
06:22Did you understand me?
06:24She didn't understand why he kept doing what...
06:28It did.
06:29Knowing that...
06:31He would be punished.
06:32She said he stayed...
06:40Trying to rub it in her face.
06:42What...
06:43He got into trouble because he couldn't be taken.
06:48Billy always...
06:51I always wanted to control everything.
06:55On second thought...
06:56I think she thought that...
06:58That was a sign of who he would become.
07:01He loved having power over animals and over me.
07:18From when I was a child until today...
07:21I loved cats.
07:23I've always had pet cats.
07:26And hurting cats was normal for him.
07:29He would come into the house and when I saw the cat eating or doing something...
07:37He would stomp on the ground to scare the cat until it ran away.
07:42I begged him not to do that.
07:45What's your problem?
07:47Billy hated being challenged about anything.
07:50And when I challenged him, he would get angry and curse at me.
07:55He used to tell stories about hurting my cats.
08:04He was saying...
08:05Do you know what I like to do with cats?
08:07Put it in a bag and hang it on the catwalks...
08:10For the trucks to hit the target.
08:13Why did you say that?
08:15Why did you say that?
08:16That's awful!
08:17When I reacted by crying, he would laugh at that.
08:21He thought that...
08:23Very cool.
08:26He had a laugh that seemed maniacal.
08:31He thought that was hilarious.
08:33So I tried to prevent him from having contact with my animals.
08:40I did my best to stay away from him.
08:44And I tried to forget how awful he was.
08:47Your older brother should make sure you're okay.
09:13He was supposed to protect you.
09:15That's what a brother should be like.
09:19But Billy was neither protective nor affectionate.
09:25I remember the sexual abuse started when I was 4 or 5 years old.
09:32But it was only many years later that I came to understand...
09:38That that abuse was abuse.
09:42I thought that was all...
09:48One thing that bad brothers did to their sisters.
09:52It's difficult to talk about it.
09:59Regarding what he did to me.
10:01Because I'm still very ashamed.
10:04Even knowing...
10:05It wasn't my fault.
10:07How can I...
10:08How could I not understand...
10:11What was happening...
10:13It didn't seem normal to me.
10:15But I remember saying that I wanted to tell my mother what was happening.
10:23I remember him saying no, that I couldn't do that.
10:27So I asked...
10:31Why not?
10:33And he said she wouldn't understand.
10:37If I had reported my abuse...
10:41And keep reporting it until it stops...
10:43You'll see...
10:44He wouldn't have harmed other people.
10:46My abuse was the beginning of the family secrets.
10:52AND...
10:53Secrets are very dangerous.
11:01Karen is six years older than me.
11:04I was just a baby.
11:06But, years later...
11:07The same thing happened to me.
11:10At school, they told us to be careful with strangers.
11:13But nobody said that the aggressor could be his brother.
11:15He would come into my room.
11:19Or when I was taking a shower.
11:22I remember one Christmas.
11:25AND...
11:26We put...
11:28Christmas lights in all the windows.
11:31I kept staring at those green and blue lights.
11:35To this day, I can't stand looking at green and blue Christmas lights.
11:39These colors together.
11:40Because that's what I focused on.
11:45I didn't tell anyone.
11:48Because he said he was going to hurt us.
11:51I always thought it was just me.
11:53But I wasn't Billy's only victim.
12:02None of us told.
12:05Billy knew how to keep us quiet.
12:08That contributed greatly to Karen and I never being able to form any kind of sisterly bond.
12:14Billy encouraged us not to talk or interact.
12:20He kind of kept us apart.
12:23At the time, I didn't know what was happening to her.
12:26I was surprised by...
12:27Because I no longer know.
12:31Considering that he did the same to me.
12:34And with that came the guilt.
12:36For not reporting everything he did to me.
12:38Because I could have saved her.
12:43We are both to blame.
12:46As adults.
12:47When I told Karen, it really...
12:51It brought us closer.
12:52In a rather strange way.
12:55Because only she could understand what had happened to me.
12:58Do you remember us in Mom's TV room?
13:02When you found out that...
13:04Did he abuse me?
13:06But I didn't know...
13:08The seriousness of your...
13:10Situation.
13:12And more...
13:13I couldn't get rid of it.
13:15How could I help you?
13:17I think our parents...
13:19To be honest, they had no idea that this could happen.
13:24We're talking about not having reported it.
13:27But he would have hurt both of us.
13:29Perhaps it was naive of us to believe the threats, but...
13:33He was capable of fulfilling it.
13:35He was daring.
13:36That's a good word for him.
13:38Bold.
13:39But he was also...
13:41An excellent liar.
13:44When you stop to think about the type of abuse...
13:48That Billy committed.
13:50In the type of trauma that we experienced.
13:53I see that it resides in every fiber of your being.
13:57It's awful.
13:58It's awful.
14:00And that...
14:02This is just the tip of the iceberg.
14:09Billy was a pyromaniac.
14:11He loved watching things burn.
14:14There was a fire at our house in Maryland and my...
14:17My sister hadn't even been born yet.
14:21I remember clearly...
14:24From my mother...
14:24Waking me up and taking me out of the house.
14:28Panicked.
14:32I remember standing still in...
14:35Backyard in the middle of the night...
14:38Looking at my house.
14:41Watching the flames burn the house.
14:45And waiting for the firefighters.
14:48I'm feeling really scared.
14:50Billy was by my side...
14:55Observing...
14:57The flames.
14:59He was interested in fire.
15:01By looking at the fire.
15:04They determined the cause of the fire.
15:06It had been electric.
15:08But after that...
15:11My mother used to say that...
15:13I suspected...
15:14That Billy had started the fire.
15:17We never had any proof.
15:19But she had that feeling.
15:25And after that...
15:27There were other fires...
15:29In Billy's story.
15:32Years later...
15:33There was another fire on our street...
15:35In an empty house.
15:36The police went to talk to my father.
15:39Billy denied everything.
15:41But my father knew...
15:42Right off the bat, it was a lie.
15:44I knew that bothered my father.
15:46To see my brother look into his eyes.
15:48Without even blinking and lying.
15:51And my mother said she always thought...
15:53That it had been Billy.
15:55But he was not punished.
15:58He got away with a lot of things.
16:06Billy left school...
16:14In the second year.
16:16Then he went in...
16:18For the marines...
16:19And he was sent to Vietnam.
16:22When he returned...
16:23He brought gifts for everyone.
16:25My...
16:26My gift was a...
16:27Those pajama sets...
16:29Made of silk...
16:30Wearing a blouse and pants.
16:31Want to see what things were like in Vietnam?
16:33Of course.
16:36Then he showed me...
16:38An album...
16:40From photos taken when he was...
16:42In Vietnam.
16:44I had a picture of a little girl...
16:46Wearing similar pajamas...
16:49With what he had brought for me.
16:51Can you see her?
16:53It seemed like he wanted to...
16:54I noticed that little girl a lot.
16:57That I could identify with it.
16:59Because she was my age.
17:01I remember saying...
17:02Oh, she's so cute.
17:05She was cute.
17:08AND...
17:09Then he said...
17:10AND...
17:12But I had to kill her.
17:17He knows?
17:18Then I shrank back...
17:19And I remember...
17:21I remember him leaving smiling.
17:24He enjoyed telling me that...
17:26Because it shocked me...
17:29Quite a lot.
17:29There was something very unhealthy about him.
17:35I think he took pleasure in being cruel to someone.
17:38When I was about eight years old and...
17:52He was fifteen years older than me...
17:56I remember...
17:57Billy all dressed up...
17:59Wearing a shirt and pants...
18:01AND...
18:02Then he came...
18:04Going down the stairs.
18:05He said...
18:08How am I doing, Mom?
18:10AND...
18:11Then she said...
18:12That's great.
18:14So he went out that night...
18:18And after that...
18:20I only remember...
18:22A man sitting at a table...
18:23In the kitchen with my father.
18:25He was a police chief.
18:29He...
18:30I wanted to arrest my brother.
18:33I was in the middle of the hallway that led to the kitchen...
18:36Peeking.
18:38And I remember my father...
18:40Sitting at the table in the kitchen...
18:42Desperate.
18:43Putting his head between his hands.
18:46AND...
18:47THE...
18:48My mother...
18:49I was standing outside the kitchen...
18:52Crying.
18:52And I didn't know what had happened.
18:56All I knew was that it was...
18:58A bad thing.
19:01And then I found out that my father...
19:03I had asked the police chief to show up.
19:06Because, of course...
19:08My brother had...
19:09I confessed it to my father...
19:12Having killed a girl.
19:13My father...
19:20He called the police chief.
19:21And he appeared...
19:23And he took my brother prisoner.
19:26I remember the police...
19:28Billy's brother.
19:29I remember...
19:30The police were putting him in the patrol car.
19:34I always knew my brother was bad.
19:36But...
19:38It was at that moment...
19:40That's when I realized he must be really bad.
19:47He...
19:48I had raped her...
19:50A woman was murdered.
19:53But...
19:54He was acquitted on grounds of insanity.
19:58I remember hearing people say that the victim...
20:02I was using...
20:03Hair tied up.
20:05Like a Vietnamese woman.
20:07And that...
20:08That had triggered a flashback.
20:12He was...
20:13Sentenced to stay in a psychiatric clinic...
20:16In Maryland.
20:18Where he stayed for four years.
20:22A short time later...
20:23Our...
20:25The family decided to move away from there.
20:28The years without Billy, for sure...
20:30They were much better for...
20:32Did you know what had happened in the east...?
20:46Before we moved here?
20:49That's why we moved.
20:51But did you know what had happened?
20:53Throughout my childhood...
20:54You never told me.
20:57AND...
20:57I knew that.
20:59But...
21:00I was told he was sick.
21:01For what...
21:03Why are you going to the hospital?
21:04Due to illness.
21:05AND.
21:06So that she can heal.
21:08And they weren't going to discharge him if he wasn't well.
21:12It was...
21:12That's what I thought.
21:17I thought he had been injured in Vietnam.
21:20I had no idea.
21:21The reason he didn't tell me was to protect me.
21:27Was that a good thing to do?
21:30Or was it a bad thing?
21:31I don't know.
21:33But I felt betrayed.
21:36Don't tell me...
21:38That's what kept me in danger.
21:41I got nervous when he came home.
21:43I thought he was doing better.
21:48That it was all over.
21:50But it didn't have one.
21:55That same night...
21:57He assaulted me.
22:00I thought I should tell my parents.
22:02But everyone was so happy...
22:05Because he was at home...
22:06That I didn't want to ruin...
22:08Everyone's joy.
22:09I didn't tell anyone then.
22:24When Billy...
22:26Skirt...
22:27He kept searching for prey.
22:29That's all he did.
22:32Like a hunter.
22:34He was hunting.
22:37And in the 70s...
22:38There were a lot of hitchhikers.
22:41And most of the hitchhikers...
22:43They had women.
22:45Anytime...
22:46I could be...
22:47Playing with dolls.
22:49Billy would show up...
22:51At noon.
22:53Mother...
22:53I'm going to get Suzy...
22:55And we're going to have some ice cream.
22:57I was looking at my mother...
22:59Type...
23:00I don't want to go.
23:01And she said...
23:02Go...
23:03Just don't annoy your brother.
23:04But...
23:07Instead of going out...
23:08To eat ice cream...
23:10We would get into the pickup truck...
23:11And the first passenger...
23:13That appeared...
23:14He stopped the pickup truck...
23:15And he asked if she wanted a ride.
23:18When a female passenger saw us...
23:20She didn't think twice...
23:21To get in the car.
23:23Where are you going?
23:25You would get in the car...
23:27With a little girl...
23:28From Maria Chiquinha...
23:29Sitting down...
23:30On the side of...
23:32A very handsome guy...
23:33Did you understand?
23:35I was the bait.
23:37To take to...
23:39Little sister in the car...
23:41It was...
23:42The way of saying...
23:43Trust me.
23:47But as soon as they entered...
23:49He kicked me out.
23:52I was going to the dumpster...
23:55With the roof closed.
23:56It had a latch...
24:00And it was impossible to leave.
24:03Then he drove a little bit...
24:05And I was locked up in there.
24:08Then he would stop.
24:09He turned up the volume...
24:10I couldn't hear...
24:11What was happening?
24:14But it could be anything.
24:17Many hitchhikers...
24:18They disappeared at that time.
24:26When I looked at him...
24:32I didn't think it was that dangerous...
24:34Just by looking.
24:37He was deceiving you.
24:39Why...
24:40He seemed like a nice guy.
24:42And he pretended to be nice.
24:45Billy was handsome.
24:48He had black hair and blue eyes.
24:51A beautiful smile.
24:52He wasn't shy.
24:53He was anything but shy.
24:56He looked like Elvis.
24:59I always thought he looked like Elvis.
25:01Because he had really big sideburns...
25:03And blue eyes.
25:05When women hitchhike...
25:07The first thing they think...
25:08Before getting into a car, you...
25:10Do I feel okay?
25:11What is my first intuition?
25:13And the first intuition I had about him...
25:14It was time to get in the car.
25:17I would get in a car with that guy.
25:21Even more so if there was a cute little girl there.
25:24He seemed perfectly normal.
25:26He didn't seem evil.
25:29He was in his early twenties.
25:31He was over six feet three inches tall.
25:33Billy weighed over a hundred kilos at the time.
25:36He was an athlete.
25:38He was a marine.
25:40But if this photo were in color...
25:42You would understand what I mean by his eyes.
25:44They were empty.
25:47They were...
25:48They were dead eyes.
25:51I didn't have...
25:52There was nothing there.
25:53When Billy got into trouble...
26:06As a child...
26:08There was always fire involved.
26:11He learned quickly...
26:14The fire covers up many things.
26:16We were having dinner once.
26:20Billy went in...
26:21And he said his car caught fire.
26:27My father got very angry.
26:29I think it was the second car that caught fire.
26:31He burned two cars.
26:34Again?
26:34If my car had caught fire...
26:38Running to my parents' house...
26:40It wouldn't be the first thing I would do.
26:42The first thing I would do...
26:43It would mean calling the police.
26:45He never did that.
26:47He said the car had caught fire...
26:49Due to an electrical problem.
26:51It's hard to believe that a brand new car...
26:54It could suddenly catch fire.
26:58Cars don't spontaneously catch fire.
27:04I didn't know that at the time.
27:10But I found out later.
27:13Catherine Devine was 14 years old.
27:15She was from the Queen Anne area of Seattle.
27:19She was an ordinary child.
27:21She hadn't run away from home.
27:23She wasn't a prostitute.
27:24She argued with her mother because of her boyfriend...
27:26Like everyone else, they fight with their mother because of their boyfriend.
27:29Then she decided to visit her cousin.
27:32And her cousin lived in Oregon.
27:36Back then, people hitchhiked.
27:37And that's how she met Bill.
27:40My family owned a truck stop.
27:42He worked there.
27:44The next day...
27:45A man at the bus stop...
27:47He looked at the back of his pickup truck...
27:49And he saw a sleeping bag covered in blood.
27:53Billy saw him looking at the bed of the pickup truck.
27:57Thinking about it now...
27:58When I remember the pickup truck catching fire...
28:00I see that he wanted to get rid of the evidence.
28:05It was just a matter of burning it and that was it.
28:12One afternoon...
28:13When I got home from school...
28:16I ran to get the newspaper.
28:18AND...
28:19On the first page...
28:21There was a headline that said...
28:23Body in Capital Peak.
28:25Mom, you won't believe this.
28:26What's wrong, daughter?
28:27My mother was making dinner.
28:30And I said...
28:31Mother...
28:32Listen to this.
28:33A girl my age...
28:35He died at Capital Peak.
28:38I had visited...
28:40That same region...
28:42Where did they find the body...?
28:43With my first-year science class.
28:46And I started reading the horrifying details.
28:54They found the semi-nude body of a young girl.
28:58Her body had been left outdoors.
29:02I had a picture of her clothes and I had...
29:05More descriptions of the victim.
29:11Billy was there, his body language...
29:15Which showed that he was bothered.
29:18They were still searching...
29:19The left shoe, the bag, and the wallet.
29:22The victim was wearing jeans.
29:24And my brother said...
29:25Is it possible to stop this?
29:27Stop reading this!
29:29Put that newspaper down!
29:30What's your problem?
29:35Ah, I said okay.
29:38He said he was just reading the newspaper.
29:41He said he was tired of hearing it.
29:45And I remember...
29:46Judging by the look on his face when he sat down there...
29:49With...
29:50The head was caught in the hand and said...
29:53To!
29:53Stop now!
29:55Stop now!
29:57He said he didn't want to hear that.
30:00And I didn't think much about it...
30:06For years.
30:07Because they couldn't accuse anyone.
30:14Even if they...
30:15They suspected Billy...
30:17They didn't have enough evidence.
30:19They didn't know who was to blame.
30:21AND...
30:22Back then...
30:23It had Ted Bundy.
30:24AND...
30:25She was listed as a possible victim of Bundy.
30:28Because she fit the profile.
30:32We thought Bundy was to blame.
30:34It was Thanksgiving time.
30:48And we were having dinner.
30:50It was snowing.
30:51It wasn't snowing...
30:53Very close to where we used to live.
30:55And those who had pickup trucks...
30:57Go out and help people.
30:59And right after dinner...
31:01He left.
31:02And he said he was going to help people...
31:03Coming out of the ditches.
31:05But...
31:06He wasn't going out to...
31:07Helping women.
31:09He was going out to find prey.
31:11The following morning...
31:22Billy was arrested.
31:24The very next day...
31:26I went into the kitchen and saw...
31:28My mother was crying.
31:32He had raped a woman...
31:35When he should have been on the street...
31:37Helping people.
31:39For some reason...
31:42He didn't kill her.
31:45He was convicted of kidnapping...
31:48And for rape.
31:50He was sentenced to 48 years.
31:53The whole family was saddened.
31:56But not me.
31:58I was happy.
32:09That was 11 years...
32:20After the abuse against me stopped.
32:23In 1986...
32:25I was finishing my studies...
32:27And living in my mother's house.
32:30And going through some documents...
32:32I...
32:33I found a release request.
32:35He had received a 48-year sentence for rape...
32:40But it could be a candidacy...
32:41For a conditional after three.
32:45If Billy were to leave...
32:48He was going to work at the truck stop...
32:50And I was going to live at my mother's house.
32:53AND...
32:54When I read that...
32:55I stayed...
32:56Terrified.
32:57I was just thinking...
32:58In all children...
33:00That they would stay close by.
33:02He was imprisoned...
33:03But nobody knew...
33:04How depraved he was.
33:07I wish it was on his file...
33:09That he couldn't be near children.
33:11That's when I went...
33:12All the way to the Thurston police station...
33:15And I asked to speak to someone...
33:17About my brother.
33:25I went to tell them...
33:27Regarding my abuse.
33:29But just a second...
33:30The subject was no longer...
33:32Regarding my abuse.
33:33Please take a seat.
33:35The investigator showed up...
33:36And he asked if I would know...
33:38Why is he interested in my brother?
33:41He had a photo...
33:4220 for 25...
33:43From Catherine Devine on the table.
33:46And he said...
33:48That she was his first victim.
33:50And I thought that my brother...
33:51He was the guilty one.
33:52He asked if I could say something about it.
33:54Look, anything...
33:56May it help to...
33:57Solve this case.
33:59He still had that photo...
34:0128 years later, back at the table.
34:03He didn't want to retire...
34:05Until we found out who had done it.
34:08They always knew...
34:09The body was found...
34:11On the same day that the pickup truck caught fire.
34:13And right before that...
34:15A witness had seen blood...
34:17A sleeping bag...
34:18And a boot...
34:19In the back of the pickup truck...
34:20Which exploded on the road.
34:24There's one thing...
34:25That I remember.
34:28When I was a child...
34:29He would drive me around.
34:30They became interested...
34:32When I told him he was using me as bait...
34:34To...
34:35Picking up women on the road.
34:37What I told the police...
34:39That was enough...
34:40To get the warrant the next day...
34:43And extract Billy's DNA.
34:48When he called...
34:49I answered the phone...
34:51AND...
34:51He was angry.
34:53Let me talk to Mom.
34:55That's exactly how it was.
34:55Let me talk to Mom.
34:57I asked...
34:58What it was?
35:00And he said it was the police...
35:03To tell him what he had done to me.
35:05And he asked...
35:07If I had known what they were doing...
35:08With people who commit...
35:10This type of crime belongs in jail.
35:12And he said they killed...
35:13These criminals.
35:15I said I thought it was a shame.
35:17And what did I expect...?
35:18That he shouldn't leave.
35:31He was convicted...
35:32Life imprisonment...
35:34No condition.
35:35He looked at me...
35:36When he was convicted...
35:38And I gave him the finger.
35:40He was...
35:40The best feeling in the world.
35:42He was...
35:42It was amazing.
35:45At the end...
35:47It was wonderful to know...
35:49Which is...
35:49His little sister...
35:51That's what finished him off.
35:53I don't like to consider myself...
35:55A victim...
35:55Because I learned to call myself...
35:57From a survivor.
35:58My older brother called me.
36:09Hey?
36:09What it was?
36:10And I remember being at home...
36:12Going up the stairs...
36:13And he said...
36:15Suzy...
36:15Suzy...
36:16Billy died.
36:18And I asked...
36:19If he had died...
36:20Like mom...
36:21Or daddy...
36:22It was peaceful...
36:23Or maybe he was sleeping.
36:23And he said...
36:25That he had a heart attack.
36:27I spoke...
36:28It's OK.
36:28So he knew...
36:29That he was dying.
36:30And I was happy.
36:31I.e...
36:32At the end...
36:34When he gave...
36:35His last breath...
36:36He knew...
36:38That no one else...
36:39She cared about him.
36:42He was awake...
36:44He didn't die in his sleep.
36:46That left me...
36:46A little better.
36:49Knowing that he felt...
36:50Terror.
36:53To tell my secrets...
37:09He saved lives.
37:11I'm sure of it.
37:14But...
37:14Our family was still fractured...
37:16Why...
37:19They weren't very happy...
37:20When I first joined the police force.
37:22I knew that many in the family...
37:23They didn't want her to report it...
37:25Nothing.
37:27I wish I could have given more support...
37:29But...
37:29Back then...
37:30He was in prison.
37:32I didn't know exactly...
37:33What was she going to report?
37:36And then I thought...
37:38What's the point of that?
37:41The only result...
37:44It will still be called...
37:46Even more attention is needed.
37:47Karen and I have cut ties.
37:58We stopped talking...
37:59Until last year.
38:01That's when I found out about the cancer.
38:03To do this program...
38:04It brought us closer.
38:07It made us talk about things that...
38:10We should have debated...
38:12Several years ago.
38:13And I didn't stay...
38:15To be perfectly clear...
38:17I wasn't upset...
38:18Because he was reported.
38:20It was just the way it had to be...
38:21How did this happen?
38:23It was very stressful at the time.
38:24AND.
38:25And besides...
38:27I wish I had been warned...
38:28In advance.
38:30But I knew...
38:31When I reported it...
38:32That it would have no support.
38:33I knew they were going to be angry.
38:35Mom got furious.
38:36AND.
38:37But...
38:38I wouldn't have reacted that way.
38:40I wouldn't have tried to dissuade you.
38:43I wouldn't have done that.
38:51We went many years without talking.
38:55AND...
38:55Secrets are very dangerous.
38:59Deciding to give this interview...
39:00He opened a channel for...
39:02Communication between us...
39:03That it didn't exist.
39:04I think he knew...
39:07That he would get away with everything.
39:09Look at this.
39:10He...
39:11He killed someone in Maryland.
39:13And he wasn't arrested for it.
39:16He went to a clinic.
39:18AND.
39:19Then...
39:20I think he...
39:22I really thought so...
39:24What consequences...
39:25They would not be suffered by him...
39:28Just like with other people.
39:30When I became an adult...
39:36I became a teacher for young children.
39:40AND...
39:41I covered the whole issue...
39:44Of...
39:46To teach that...
39:47They were the owners of their own bodies.
39:50Any strange touch...
39:51I was going to say...
39:52Don't do that.
39:54This makes me very proud.
39:57And that was helpful.
39:58For many children.
40:03So many cases with DNA evidence are coming to light.
40:05It would be surprising if...
40:07Did they discover that he was occupied with another old case?
40:10Not at all.
40:11Not at all.
40:13I agree.
40:14Why...
40:15They had hitchhikers everywhere.
40:17Even closer to the truck stop.
40:19AND.
40:19I hope Karen will be proud of me.
40:33I think so.
40:35I found out things about her...
40:37And how she felt about all of that, I didn't know.
40:40Well, I think Billy...
40:45It has greatly harmed our family.
40:48I think we are all victims of Billy in many ways.
40:51We are, like...
40:54The casualties he left behind.
40:57AND.
40:57AND...
40:58Many people want to forget what he did.
41:02But this needs to be discussed.
41:03But...
41:05I think I'm tired of talking about Billy.
41:07I wish I could forget about him...
41:09For the rest of my life, to be honest.
41:13I'd like to end this story on a positive note.
41:17I'm happy to be here...
41:19Like you.
41:21How wonderful that we...
41:23It's reconnected now.
41:26I think it was important for us to reconnect like this.
41:30I was nervous...
41:32To be here with you.
41:33AND...
41:34So, being ill...
41:36This process demanded a lot from me.
41:41AND...
41:41I had to weigh...
41:43Was the effort worthwhile?
41:48But...
41:48I think you have to do the right thing.
41:51And I think that's the right thing to do.
42:03The overall conclusion I drew from all of this is that...
42:13There was unconditional love between the two of us.
42:17Something I didn't think was possible.
42:19To be honest...
42:22I got my sister back.
42:24It was amazing...
42:26Two sisters who didn't get along...
42:29Right at the very end...
42:30They had a common goal.
42:33AND...
42:33That was months ago...
42:35And every day...
42:36I remember something...
42:38What I found out about her.
42:40I know she enjoyed doing that.
42:44I could tell by the smile she gave afterwards.
42:48She felt heard.
42:50She always wanted to have...
42:52The final word.
42:53I think...
42:55That she has completed several cycles.
42:58She told her story.
43:00And then he was freed.
43:05When you stop to think about it...
43:06I know she thought it was a good way...
43:09Saying goodbye.
43:11If you have the opportunity to tell a story...
43:14That will make a difference, tell me.
43:16She could have done it without me...
43:18But I couldn't have done it without her.
43:20Brazilian Version
43:22Vox Mundi
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