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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E41 Zombie Knives (20th January 2026)
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00:00They are weapons that kill, so why is it so easy to buy zombie knives online?
00:20Once again, we've had to tell a child's family that their loved one has been killed
00:48in an act of violence using knives, is a stark and sobering reminder of the danger of zombie-style knives.
01:18It's okay. I know, just look, I need to do that job, lovely.
01:23It's okay, it's okay.
01:25Oh no!
01:55Once we've got the truck unloaded, we'll split into two teams.
02:13Matt, if you can look after the pallet side of things, I'll look after the actual laying out the knives.
02:18The zombie knife is defined by the length from the handle, so if it's over eight inches long from the handle,
02:43and then if it has a serrated edge or teeth, if it has holes in the blade or if it has two sharp points to it,
02:54then that would make it a zombie knife.
02:56I can't see a proper purpose for having one, walking around the streets of the UK.
03:03The knives came from separate Luton-based companies,
03:181,500 from Adam Eliaz, who runs online shop DNA Leisure,
03:22and 35,800 from Eddie Eliaz's Sporting Wholesale, a bulk importer who sold to retailers.
03:30It's really shocking to see this number of knives laid out.
03:33They're designed to cause maximum damage to the body.
03:37It raises the question, is that normal business for them?
03:41Is there that many knives that have been readily available to buy?
03:45I've been in the police 16 years now.
03:49When I first started, zombie knives weren't commonplace.
03:55Now, 16-year-old lads, 17-year-old lads, they're making the decision to have these zombie knives.
04:02I've worked on murder cases for the last few years,
04:06and many of the knives here today have featured in those cases.
04:11It just goes to show the true scale of the knife issue that we're facing.
04:26You're ready?
04:27Ready?
04:28Show mommy.
04:29Ready?
04:30Ready.
04:31Good boy.
04:33Well done, Ryan.
04:36Nice.
04:37Yum, yum.
04:38Nice.
04:39Nice.
04:40Yeah?
04:41Yeah.
04:42Ryan is the oldest.
04:43Ash is the youngest.
04:45Even though Ryan is autistic and non-verbal, Ash somehow complimented him.
04:50So they had a very close relationship, even though it was a weird one.
04:53One talks and the other one doesn't talk.
04:55But they were really close.
04:57You look lovely.
04:59He was a happy lad.
05:00Happy when he was young, always smiling.
05:01Life was a joke to him.
05:02He never took anything serious.
05:03When he grew to become a teenager, we saw news on TV why people are carrying knives.
05:06And I said, if you saw somebody with a knife, what would you do?
05:07He said, I would run.
05:08He always said, do not worry.
05:09Nothing's gonna happen.
05:10He wasn't worried.
05:11He wasn't worried.
05:12He never knew that something bad might come.
05:13Ashraf finished college that day.
05:14And he went to a friend's house quite nearby to the old moat house.
05:16car park.
05:17It's about 5.30.
05:18Ashraf left his friend's house.
05:19It's about 5.30 that Ashraf left his friend's house.
05:21And went to meet up with the rest of his friends.
05:22And he went to meet up with the rest of his friends.
05:23And he went to a friend's house quite nearby to the old moat house car park.
05:28It's about 5.30 that Ashraf left his friend's house and went to meet up with the rest of his
05:51friends.
05:52That leaves about an hour and a half before they all went to the car park where they were
05:57in the car park where the violence took place.
06:04So Ash texted me at 1903, could you pick me up please ma'am or should I walk?
06:13And I replied back and I said, okay I'll pick you up.
06:17So that was 1907 I replied.
06:20And he never got to see the message.
06:27This is the direction that all of the teenagers involved arrived in.
06:34And it was only minutes later.
06:36Ashraf arrived with a group of his friends.
06:39Two of the teenagers came together in the middle of this car park.
06:46And a knife was produced.
06:48Ashraf's friend was stabbed repeatedly whilst he was helpless on the floor leaving him with
06:53life hurting injuries.
06:54Whilst that was happening, people were star bursting all out of this car park.
07:00Ashraf tried to get away.
07:02He wasn't on with a knife.
07:03I thought it was just a moment of day.
07:08I was just going to my enemies then I just see like people just shouting and that.
07:13I'm hiding a bit because I could see voices shouting to them, butters.
07:17They had bricks.
07:18I was like what the hell was happening?
07:20I could see Ashraf going around the wall and then someone comes behind him.
07:27I just heard like a massive like shouting.
07:30I have to turn around and everyone's just fighting each other.
07:33And I see Ash over the wall and someone stab him in the back.
07:37I'm watching, you're watching, I'm watching.
07:54I dropped my bike like right beside me.
07:56He was, I love you, he's seen me, and he's trying to breathe because I can tell that he's
08:02I look at the bat and his stab wounds and I was just like oh my god and then he
08:10unlocked his iPhone and he gave it to me now he's just telling me to call the ambulance
08:14I was at home my mum was in the kitchen making dinner I ran to the front
08:44door and there was a lot going on Ashraf was on the floor he was awake I'd say each
08:52one of his wounds was maybe an inch wide clean they didn't look that bad I'd never
08:59done kind of emergency medicine I felt completely out of my depth and completely
09:05unable to help
09:14his mum turned up that was probably the hardest bit I think everybody around Ashraf had a gut
09:32reflex to keep mum away and I don't want her to see this
09:38I looked down and I saw one of the knives that one of them somebody had been carrying and that's
09:51when it hit me because this wasn't like a little knife this was oh it was a weapon I couldn't imagine
10:01the level of damage that the knife would have done inside
10:05this is a knife that was seized from the car park it's got this kind of metal hand guard
10:26something with a ring that's like the bayonet a metal loop yeah yeah yeah they're over here
10:30are they do you want to take me over some yeah yeah these ones yeah these ones here
10:34I mean look at the size of that that nice there yeah and we've got thousands of these
10:41and why'd you order them in you order them in because they're popular aren't they yeah that's it
10:49you're not going to buy something you're not going to sell are you yeah absolutely
10:51that's it
11:05you
11:06you
11:21He's going to be frightened, he's a brave lad, look, he's done alright.
11:29Keep still buddy, he's still going to stop.
11:32It'll be alright mate, Horace, it'll be alright. Is it Ashraf?
11:36Keep still bud. Right, put a pre-alert in, 16 year old lad, 3 stab wounds to the back,
11:42sucking right chest wounds, GCS 15.
11:47What am I going to do? Yeah, you'll be alright mate. Keep still, Horace, mate.
11:58We received a phone call from the ambulance saying we were expecting somebody who had been stabbed.
12:02We didn't have any more information so we got ready and as soon as Ashraf arrived it was obvious he was very, very unwell.
12:09And within five minutes of arrival his heart had stopped beating and he was in cardiac arrest.
12:14And there was no time to take Ashraf to surgery because he was so unwell.
12:18So all our efforts were confined to the emergency department, to the resuspect of the emergency department.
12:23The rate he deteriorated at was much faster than the rate we could resuscitate him.
12:28I went to the hospital and there was a queue but they allowed us to go in.
12:37And I was waiting in the waiting room.
12:39And they came out and told me that Ashraf died.
12:43They told me my baby passed away.
12:50I feel like he died by himself.
12:53With nobody holding his hand, I would have held his hand at least.
12:57I would have told him it's okay to die.
13:00Your mother is here, she'll join you one day.
13:03Your mother is here, she'll join you one day.
13:07The stab wounds that Ashraf had were very severe and in my experience they were the most severe I've ever seen.
13:34The wounds looked small from the outside, but the knife used to stab him was very long.
13:40And the wound went from the back of his chest into the lung and came out of the lung from the front.
13:47One of the wounds had actually taken out one of the ribs on its way into the lung and broken that rib to get into the lung.
13:53And the knife used had serrated edges and was designed to cause maximum damage.
13:58So as it went in and went out, it was destroying as many of the blood vessels as it could and it was causing maximum bleeding.
14:05So when we tried to resuscitate him and when we did open his chest, there was a lot of blood.
14:10It's something that I can't forget, I can't get out of my head.
14:14It's something that I, you know, wake up to every morning, remembering trying to resuscitate him.
14:19And it's something that will live with me for the rest of my life.
14:24In this bag here is the contents that was in Ashraf's rucksack when he was stabbed.
14:41Here you can see just perfectly normal school books, school papers, just his school calculator.
14:50This is just the contents of a normal school boy's backpack.
14:54And ultimately, that's what he was. He was a school boy.
14:58This is the rucksack, although you can't see it.
15:01Sealed up in the brown bag and some of the knife stabs went through the rucksack.
15:10Atif, I'm arresting you. I have suspicion of murder and two attempted murders, OK?
15:15The message comes through the tannoy system saying Atif and Altaf Hussain Deen are at the inquiry office.
15:21Their father had brought them down to Luton Police Station.
15:26Ashraf Havimana had met up with friends after leaving college when they were set upon by Atif and Altaf Hussain Deen.
15:34This wasn't a gang-related murder. This was a dispute between two groups essentially knew each other from the local area and through college that escalated.
15:46There'd been an altercation earlier in the day between Atif Hussain Deen and some of his friends and a group of Ashraf's friends, but Ashraf was not there.
15:56So it was just up here by the metal railings that a group of teenagers came together.
16:03There was a fight that broke out and punches were exchanged.
16:07Atif was punched just here by the metal railings. He had a split lip and his blood had spluttered on the pavement.
16:16And Atif's blood had also spluttered on the lamppost just here.
16:20Towards the end of the fight, mobile phones were taken out and filmed the aftermath.
16:24Those videos circulated on social media with captions put over the top.
16:28And that fuelled the feud that was clearly ongoing and raised the tensions between this moment and the violence that took place later on in the evening.
16:39With social media and every teenager's access to smartphones, it's all happening behind the screen of your phone.
16:47You're getting added to this pretty much public group chat because there's so many people in it that they all know.
17:04And then you're being essentially verbally attacked in the group chat and humiliating each other in front of your peers.
17:10That makes tensions quite high.
17:13Two of the phones that we recovered during the course of this investigation showed that they filmed themselves with these knives out in this wooded area.
17:36We also found videos of them holding zombie knife posted on Snapchat, flashing them around and holding them with their mates.
17:53If these teenagers posed with a kitchen knife, it wouldn't have the effect they want to achieve compared with them holding one of these zombie knives.
18:01It's just a scary thought to think that they're taking that step from scaring people with a video or a photograph of them.
18:10And it's that next step of actually plunging it into someone.
18:15In Ashraf's case, we never recovered the murder weapon.
18:24I've known it across many cases where we haven't recovered the murder weapon.
18:28However, it was found out that Atif tried to order a knife from DNA Leisure.
18:37It was only a couple of hours before the first fight where he got a split lip.
18:43He was in contact with DNA Leisure about the order.
18:46And he couldn't finalize the purchase because he was 16 years old.
18:52And this knife was a huge zombie knife.
19:09A teenager has died after being stabbed repeatedly.
19:12Some people say the attack looked like it was done by something that looked like a machete or a samurai sword.
19:18My experience is that prior to 2015, the term zombie knife wasn't used.
19:24But in 2015, a young man called Stefan Appleton was murdered in London.
19:29And the media reported that he was killed by a zombie knife.
19:34There's no obvious use for these knives if not to cause harm.
19:39But zombie knives have been on sale legally in the UK for as little as eight pounds.
19:49The term zombie knives became well known in popular culture through things like computer games and TV shows featuring zombies.
19:56There's a crossover from them being collector's items to actually being used in real-world violence.
20:09The Criminal Justice Act has been amended in England and Wales to outlaw their sale.
20:15Something the Home Office hopes will reduce the number of zombie knives being used for crime.
20:21The Criminal Justice Act
20:39Have a look at this.
20:41I'm now brandishing in front of you.
20:43A 21-inch brutal-looking black knife.
20:47I bought this online for £23.49.
20:51It is completely legal.
20:54A 21-inch somehow painted theoby knife.
21:01Are you knows?
21:04I like, what are you talking like?
21:07Do you understand that?
21:08No, no.
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21:11Start off with him.
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21:23That day, Ronan was saying to my dad, you know,
21:30our PlayStation controller's not working, but my friend, he's got one.
21:34He went down the road, collected the PlayStation controller.
21:38It's about a four, five-minute walk back to our house.
21:41It's up the street.
21:44He's just got his headphones on, and he's just, like, bopping to his music,
21:49and he's literally a second away from his house.
21:52And he's just looking around him, just like any other child would be,
21:56just, like, in his own little world.
22:01He doesn't see. They obviously run from the back,
22:04and one of them comes with the ninja sword.
22:15First, he stabs him from the back in Ronan's abdomen.
22:19He turns around, faces the attacker,
22:21and the attacker takes the sword out of his abdomen
22:23and pierces it straight through his heart.
22:28Ronan knew them.
22:29They were from Ronan's school,
22:31but they were looking for someone else.
22:33Unfortunately, Ronan had a similar haircut to that boy,
22:37so it just kind of turned our, you know, our little world
22:43into a big horror film, literally.
22:48It wasn't just one day the perpetrator got up,
22:50picked up his sword and killed my brother.
22:52The perpetrator was a perpetrator in the making.
22:56He showed the signs. He was excluded.
22:59When somebody's excluded from school,
23:01they're just kind of left to feel like they're not a part
23:03of that normal society any more.
23:06So they look to become this angry version of themselves.
23:10I was the duty homicide SAO for the West Midlands that evening.
23:17I took a call at about quarter to nine
23:21to say that someone had been stabbed.
23:23Within a few hours of Ronan dying,
23:26we had Prabhjeet, Vidisha, and Sukhman Shergal in custody.
23:30We started the process of doing house searches.
23:36When we went to Prabhjeet's address,
23:39we found no weapons,
23:41but officers found in the bin some packaging
23:43with a Royal Mail label on it.
23:52On the day of the murder,
23:54Prabhjeet Vidisha had collected a parcel from the post office.
24:00We were able to see him going into the post office
24:06and then collecting that parcel.
24:09And then we watched him then on CCTV
24:11and track him on CCTV going back then,
24:13directly back to his home address,
24:15holding this parcel in his arms
24:17and then going into his home address.
24:20On that packaging, we had the sender details.
24:23So it had been sent by a company called DNA Leisure.
24:26That's where the murder weapon had been purchased.
24:31We believe that the murder weapon was a ninja sword,
24:36about 20 inches in length.
24:38It came as part of a set.
24:40It was only $16.99.
24:43It's readily accessible on a website
24:45that you can go through Google
24:46and it's delivered to your home address within 24, 48 hours.
24:50The website talks about age verification,
24:53but quite clearly he'd found a way to circumnavigate that.
24:56And either he found a clever way to circumnavigate it
24:59or actually the age verification isn't actually very robust.
25:02We made contact with Adam Elias, who was the owner of DNA Leisure.
25:08Adam had previously appeared on The Junior Apprentice.
25:12There was a video clip online where he talks about
25:16a willing to do anything to make money.
25:19I love making money.
25:20I'll scrub floor to make money, to be honest.
25:22I'll do anything, you know, if it brings money in my pocket.
25:24They were cooperative to a point,
25:27but I don't think he understood the seriousness of what had happened
25:31or I don't think the company understood actually
25:34something that you've sold has been used to murder somebody.
25:37I think both myself and members of the investigation team
25:41felt the attitude on The Junior Apprentice
25:43that had played out in real life.
25:45I'm not weak, you know, I'm not weak.
25:48If I have to make a decision, I will make a decision.
25:50I've had to make quite a few decisions in the past in my own business.
25:52Take the battery out for a minute.
25:54OK, no problem.
25:56There was quite an extensive range of machetes
25:59of varying sort of lengths and colours and designs.
26:03It was the price that really sort of shook me a little bit.
26:06They were so cheap.
26:09On the website, there's zombie shooter games
26:12that you can play in order to win, like, kind of money off.
26:15You can supersize your orders from as little as a penny.
26:18Mystery boxes.
26:21They are cheap weapons targeted to children and young people.
26:25To Adam Elias, a Ninja Twin sword set was purchased from your website, DNA Leisure,
26:41and used to murder my only brother and my mother's only son.
26:45I would genuinely like to know why you think it is acceptable
26:48to sell these lethal weapons so freely.
26:50How many of yourselves have fallen into the wrong hands
26:53and led to innocent people being murdered?
26:55After the trial had concluded, I believed it was time to send Adam Elias a letter
27:02because he, in my eyes, is a part of the reason my brother's not here.
27:07He played his part because he sold that weapon.
27:10He made profit off of that weapon, so he was basically profiting off my brother's murder.
27:15This was his reply.
27:17Hello, Nikita. I am sorry for the delay in replying to you.
27:21I have been on holiday and then was off unwell.
27:23The swords, machetes and larger items you are concerned about.
27:26Our customers buy these just to keep at home, just like people collect stamps.
27:31It really is no different and, in fact, no more dangerous, really.
27:36How are you comparing a machete to a stamp?
27:40I don't remember people picking up stamps and killing people.
27:43I remember them picking up machetes and ninja swords and zombie knives to kill people.
27:49So, for me, this is just excuses.
27:53How many other people have bought these weapons off of this website
27:56and gone on to kill people with them?
28:01First tonight, the knife retailer linked to two murders by teenagers.
28:0538-year-old Omar Khan was stabbed to death in Luton.
28:09Today, his killer was jailed for a minimum of 20 years.
28:13The trial heard how he was able to buy dozens of hunting knives, swords and machetes
28:18from DNA Leisure when he was just 16, using his mother's ID.
28:35Back in 2023, I was the senior investigating officer for a murder investigation.
28:52The murder of Omar Khan in Luton.
28:54Omar had an altercation.
28:58One of the suspects pulled out a huge knife and inflicted fatal injuries.
29:05Reyes was not known to Omar.
29:08He would have been classed as a runner for a drugs line in Luton at that time.
29:13You've got vulnerable people being set up as drug dealers
29:17and being told that you will carry this weapon and protect the commodity.
29:21And maybe, because they are so young, they don't know how to de-escalate that situation,
29:29apart from to use the weapon that they're carrying.
29:34When some of the team were doing house-to-house inquiries around the suspect's home address,
29:40one of the local residents had said that they'd taken in a parcel for them
29:44either that day or the day before.
29:46And it was noted the sender was DNA Leisure.
29:51And it was then that it unravelled that, actually,
29:53there'd been a number of previous orders as well delivered to the same address.
29:57Hands on your back, mate.
29:59You're undressed, mate, OK?
30:00Do you not have to say anything?
30:02Do you have to mention?
30:03Do you have to mention?
30:04Do you have to mention?
30:05Do you have to mention?
30:06Do you have to mention?
30:07He'd made 13 online orders over an eight-month period,
30:10all to a residential address, and that involved about 68 knives.
30:16So once we got the list of all the orders that had been made,
30:19we then went onto the website to have a look at the actual types of weapons
30:23that these relate to.
30:25So these are some of the knives that Raees bought.
30:28One of them was an R1-style survival movie knife.
30:31An Elkridge D-guard machete.
30:34He also bought a fantasy hunting knife.
30:36A machete, which was heavy duty.
30:39Fantasy short sword.
30:41A two-tone black machete.
30:44Kukri.
30:46Roman sword.
30:48Twin blue ninja sword set.
30:51And an Anglo arms, bayonet-style fixed blade.
31:00Personally, I think there were some missed opportunities.
31:03Someone of that age being able to purchase that many knives and have them delivered to a residential address
31:10is sort of beyond belief, really, and shows that there's probably something wrong with the system.
31:18You can see they snag.
31:19Oh, my word.
31:20You know.
31:21And you've picked... If you hold that, that's quite a weight.
31:24Laying out all the weapons that DNA had surrendered.
31:27It's just horrific.
31:28And every single one of those is a potential murder victim.
31:36It's beyond belief, really, that all of these are readily available.
31:42I mean, I think the scariest thing for me is that this lad purchased all of these and we didn't recover any.
31:48So, again, that just fills me with dread because there's 65, you know, murders waiting to happen, if you like.
31:54So, again, that's what's going on.
32:07In Ashraf's case, the murderer clearly disposed of certain evidence during the case.
32:14One of those things being the murder weapon itself.
32:17But we did recover a sheath from the picnic area where he came charging out from to then attack the two teenagers.
32:26That sheath was fairly distinctive because we only saw one of them in this case.
32:30And yet, they are part of the surrender here today by DNA Leisure.
32:37I believe that that is the sheath that belongs with the murder weapon that he used.
32:42Oh, right.
32:43That we never recovered.
32:44Oh, right.
32:45So, this is really interesting.
32:46That's the only knife that we have that goes in that sheath.
32:53Look at all the features that it's got to do the maximum harm.
33:10Now, you can see this is the blade that you were talking about.
33:13Yeah.
33:14This one you've got that picture of there.
33:17Yeah.
33:18So, this is one of the ones that would have fitted the sheath.
33:20If I turn it around, you can see.
33:21Quite a scary old knife, isn't it?
33:23The sheath that was left at the scene when we were approaching DNA Leisure, they confirmed that there was only two knives that they sold that matched that sheath.
33:33This weapon was called an Anglo Arms fixed bayonet knife.
33:36And in court, Rais confirmed that that had been purchased in the days before the murder.
33:43So, we were able to identify the murder weapon and it came from DNA Leisure.
33:47We have thousands of those.
33:48Oh, no.
33:49Absolutely thousands.
33:50The Anglo Arms has got quite a name for itself.
33:54My problem is that she's Anglo Arms people.
34:09I mean, if they've got blood in their hands here, the pig's flying up.
34:12Look.
34:13Anglo Arms.
34:14Anglo Arms.
34:15Anglo Arms.
34:16Anglo Arms.
34:17Anglo Arms.
34:18Anglo Arms.
34:19Anglo Arms.
34:20Anglo Arms.
34:21Anglo Arms.
34:25Around about 2018, it started to be told about weapons that were used in violence in the community.
34:31Police officers were stopping people, searching them, finding knives being used in violent crime.
34:38They'd take pictures of the weapons.
34:41They'd post them on the social media site Twitter, now X, and they'd use the hashtag, there's that knife again.
34:49I noticed the hashtag very, very early on.
34:53The brand that was talked about again and again and again was Anglo Arms.
34:58Anglo Arms essentially became synonymous with a sort of style of combat knife that lots and lots of young people were talking about in, for example, grime and trap music.
35:11The rappers, the artists that were referencing Anglo Arms were similarly to me, seeing exactly those weapons appearing on the streets, in their homes, in the lives of the people that they were associating with.
35:30The thing that was very, very interesting, though, for me, was where are the weapons coming from?
35:35With colleagues, I started looking into the Anglo Arms brand and discovered that that was imported by an importer called Sporting Wholesale.
35:43The man behind Sporting Wholesale was a chap called Eddie Elias.
35:49Eddie Elias is a keen angler.
35:52His business imports a whole array of camping and fishing equipment, but they were also importing knives.
35:59And who's Eddie's younger brother?
36:02Well, it's none other than Adam Elias, owner of DNA Leisure.
36:06It's the business of one, Mr. Adam Elias.
36:09Hello, Adam. How are you, sir?
36:10I'm not too bad, thank you. How are you?
36:12I'm very well indeed.
36:13You are, of course, the now only 20-year-old, sometime cast member of Junior Apprentice.
36:19You've got your own shop, I guess partly because you've got backing of your big brother, who is Eddie.
36:23That's correct, yes.
36:25DNA Leisure are simply a retailer, and sat behind the business that Adam's running, where he's selling to consumers, is Sporting Wholesale.
36:34The business that's run by Adam's big brother, Eddie, the business that imports Anglo Arms knives.
36:43The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.
36:51Greed is right. Greed works.
36:55Eddie Elias had changed his Facebook profile to an image of Michael Douglas playing the Wall Street trader, Gordon Gekko.
37:04You know, cash is king. Greed is good. Gekko. He doesn't see morality.
37:10By 2017, Sporting Wholesale were turning over eight million pounds and declaring profits of some two and a half million.
37:20They were sourcing and bringing knives from China relatively cheaply.
37:26I know of no big competitors, certainly not working at that sort of scale of importation.
37:33It seemed to be the case that Sporting Wholesale cornered the market.
37:38We see more and more serious, concerning knives being sold to young men with the backdrop of increased austerity, poverty, at exactly the time that knife crime is rising.
37:53Good evening. It is, sadly, sounding all too familiar. Another stabbing on our streets. Another young Londoner fighting for his life.
38:03Kids mostly carry knives to protect themselves and, like, they're mostly around our age, like 12, 13.
38:10The impact of knife crime on individuals is undeniable, as knife crime claims more lives within our country.
38:19Never has so much been lost by so many because of the indecision of so few.
38:26There have been 21 fatal knife attacks in the UK so far this year, with eight of the victims aged 18 or younger.
38:40The flash of a blade. At least one of them said the police, more like a sword, captured on CCTV.
38:46The weapons used in the attack on Mason and Mac were simply horrific.
38:50The fact a 15-year-old teenager who had his whole life ahead of him had been taken from his family in this way is a stark and sobering reminder of the danger of zombie-style knives.
39:02He didn't lie?
39:03He didn't lie?
39:04He didn't lie. How was he?
39:06Dirty Julius Again
39:15He's used to be laughed. He actually always kept碰igned. He didn't lie. He fell for an experience of doom.
39:21Gotta be near you!
39:25He's what he saw. He's also sped out such as dangerous.
39:28You beings need him and the sinfulJulie bin.
39:29The better he lived?
39:30Also peace...
39:30That's his favorite shirt, he loved that shirt.
39:46I smell his things, I smell his shirt.
39:57This is his badge for school.
40:03His last shoes he ordered, when he had died, these shoes came in the post.
40:08He never wore these shoes.
40:12This is Ash's room, and yeah, he loved his room, he spent most of his time in here.
40:18Ryan comes in here and looks to see whether Ash is here, but he never sees him.
40:25And I'll just imagine Ryan, who is autistic, who can't verbalize the pain.
40:32Sometimes I sleep and I think, okay, maybe it's a dream, maybe my child is still here,
40:37and I'm just in a dream, but then I wake up and he's not coming back.
40:46When I went to Uganda and I told them my son was stabbed in the U.K., everybody was shocked.
40:54Because you think a U.K. child is safe, they're safe.
40:57Children who are born in the U.K. or children who stay in the U.K., they are safe.
41:00Everybody was like, that can be possible, not in the U.K.
41:04And I felt I was betrayed in this land where my son was killed.
41:10So I thought, even if he was born here, he won't be buried here.
41:14That's how I felt.
41:16That's why I buried him in Uganda.
41:19He's going to be in the sand, seeing the trees and the birds.
41:24He's going to be buried here, even if he houses.
41:39Oh yeah.
41:42idols,z,t,
42:24I'm just glad those knives that they've surrendered are off the streets, but at the same time, it hurts, to be honest, to know that they've got all that profit. That compensation money could have been put to better use, you know, could have been invested in education, literally anything other than lining their pockets again.
42:51I think they've profited enough off of people like me and my pain.
42:55I don't think we'll ever know how many murders and stabbings have occurred because of knives sold by the LES brothers.
43:17However, just the fact that that 14 stat exists is outrageous.
43:26How much clearer are the streets because of the legislation change?
43:31Well, I suggest that people that had zombie knives before the legislation change are likely still going to be in possession of them.
43:40There must still be hundreds of thousands of knives like this still out there.
43:44Stay there! Stay there!
43:54Get down!
43:58Go!
43:59Go to the floor!
44:00Nick in, bladed article.
44:01Go to the floor!
44:01Nick in, bladed article.
44:02Go to the rest!
44:03We're still recovering a lot of illegal knives and charging people for knife offences.
44:11There's no doubt an illegal market out there.
44:13On social media platforms, in private group chats, they'll still be in the hands of young people.
44:21The risk is still present and we need to be alive to that.
44:24A family broken after Ronan's death, but determined to make a difference.
44:31This is how now to keep my brother's name alive, so we will dedicate our lives to fighting knife crime.
44:37We've already lost our boy, but we want to prevent this from happening to other kids.
44:43We never intended on being knife crime campaigners.
44:48We're just a grieving family, really, that wanted to highlight the issues in Ronan's case.
44:52This Labour government will pass Ronan's law, a ban on ninja swords.
45:03Machetes, swords, curved knives, all sorts of weapons can still be sold online.
45:11That's why we want a licensing system to hold sellers to account now.
45:17Anybody can sell a knife, and that shouldn't be the case.
45:24It's just mind-blowing to me to know that I would have had a 20-year-old brother this year,
45:29and yet he's always going to be 16.
45:34There's a video my mum filmed in lockdown 2020.
45:38As we were walking up the street, I could see my mum kind of peeking out and filming us.
45:44I just remember feeling just so happy, and I think he was just talking about his future.
45:48I didn't realise that two years later, my brother would be walking the same street and lose his life.
45:56A murder hunt is still underway tonight after a 14-year-old boy.
46:00Kellyanne Bacassa was stabbed to death on a London bus.
46:03We're in a time now where it's just so normal to see knife crime on the news.
46:10This is 15-year-old Harvey Wilgoose in the screen.
46:13He was attacked at All Saints Catholic High School in Sheffield at lunchtime,
46:17and he died a short time later yesterday.
46:20The police have launched a murder investigation after a 15-year-old boy, Eamon Teckley,
46:26was stabbed on a street in Glasgow.
46:29We should be looking utterly shocked at the fact that a young person has lost their life
46:33because of another young person, but it's just becoming normal.
46:38It's not normal. It's literally the opposite of normal.
46:43I didn't know, too.
46:58I know.