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“China is strengthening Russia in the Ukraine conflict,” officials warned during a high-level discussion at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
Foreign ministers from the United States, Canada, Ukraine, and Finland debated the future of the Russia–Ukraine war, NATO’s role in European security, and the growing strategic importance of Greenland and the Arctic. The panel stressed that Beijing’s economic and diplomatic engagement with Moscow is complicating efforts toward peace, while Ukraine insisted that any settlement must include Kyiv and protect its sovereignty. Western allies underlined the need for NATO unity, deterrence, and long-term security guarantees amid continued Russian aggression.
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“China is strengthening Russia in the Ukraine conflict,” officials warned during a high-level discussion at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
Foreign ministers from the United States, Canada, Ukraine, and Finland debated the future of the Russia–Ukraine war, NATO’s role in European security, and the growing strategic importance of Greenland and the Arctic. The panel stressed that Beijing’s economic and diplomatic engagement with Moscow is complicating efforts toward peace, while Ukraine insisted that any settlement must include Kyiv and protect its sovereignty. Western allies underlined the need for NATO unity, deterrence, and long-term security guarantees amid continued Russian aggression.
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00:00Thank you, Mr. Budenhoff.
00:02Minister Valtonen, if there's any country apart from Ukraine that understands, I guess, Russia and Russia's history of aggression, I would argue it's probably Finland.
00:15And we've seen many meetings in recent weeks of European leaders to discuss the conflict in Ukraine and where we're headed.
00:29What's your best guess for where we end up and what that will mean for Europe?
00:36Where do you think this conflict pauses?
00:40Well, thank you for the introduction.
00:42But the only thing I have to correct is that, yes, we do have, unfortunately, quite some experience with Russia and Russian aggression over the course of the past, not only decades, but years, but hundreds of years.
00:54But I still don't understand Russia.
00:56And I certainly don't sympathize with the imperialistic ambitions of that country that apparently still is ongoing.
01:05Now, we would hope for peace.
01:09But for a peace to last, it needs to be just.
01:14It needs to be genuine.
01:15Unfortunately, we haven't seen any concessions on the side of Russia to reach a proper peace deal in Ukraine.
01:25And let's face it, it was Russia almost four years ago who started the invasion in the first place.
01:30And it could be Russia yesterday, today, tomorrow, to decide that there's no war.
01:38What we need to do now collectively is that we increase the pressure on Russia, because we do see that that country is in economic decline and will be so.
01:53Also, also long into the future, they won't have any strategic benefits over the course of the coming years.
02:03The only thing is, of course, that they are apparently willing to lose their last man and use their final ruble on the war of aggression.
02:14But we can't allow that to happen.
02:17And I think as the free world, we need to stay the course and keep on supporting Ukraine, ramp up the pressure on Russia.
02:28And third, and this I'm taking home to Europe in general, we should be massively now investing in our defense and deterrence.
02:38And I think the decisions made last summer in The Hague were exactly the right ones, and certainly also something which Finland has been driving for many, many years since we have taken our defense and deterrence very seriously, always.
02:56Thank you, Minister.
02:57Minister Anand, can I ask you, Canada is a member of NATO.
03:05Canada is one of the closest neighbors to the United States, obviously.
03:12How involved do you think NATO is at this point in the negotiations, in the plans to end this conflict?
03:22Or is it really just in the hands of the President of the United States?
03:28Well, I guess I will, first of all, thank you for having me here.
03:32And hello, everyone.
03:33And obviously, I'm very happy that we're having a panel about Ukraine to discuss Ukraine, because as you suggested, the attention is being diverted away from the potential ceasefire that has been on the table.
03:50And the very point, and I want to underline this, that there should be nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.
03:59This is fundamentally important as we consider the 20-point peace plan, as we discuss the security guarantees and the efforts of the Coalition of the Willing.
04:14The fundamental principle of territorial integrity and sovereignty of states is what Canada believes to be the driver of the negotiations and the outcome.
04:31Again, nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.
04:34And Canada has a distinct relationship with Ukraine, not just as a NATO member, not as the neighbor of the United States, but a distinct relationship with Ukraine.
04:51We have, outside of Russia, the largest population of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine.
04:59We have put the largest per capita amount of support, financial support towards Ukraine, military, economic, financial, infrastructure-related support at $22.5 billion for a country of 40 million people.
05:20We are leading, co-leading the effort to bring Ukrainian children home and have spearheaded that vis-a-vis 20,000 Ukrainian children will be holding a worldwide conference in the fall in Toronto to ensure that we're bringing countries on the return of Ukrainian children home.
05:42I just stress this to reiterate that our foreign policy vis-a-vis Ukraine is distinct and it will continue and we will always be there in the short and the long term to ensure that the sovereignty and longevity of Ukraine is sustained.
06:07And that the, I was the minister of national defense in, at the time of the further illegal invasion by Russia of Ukraine.
06:16I saw from that perspective, the incursions into the Donbass and the fall of Ukrainian soldiers unjustifiably.
06:31How can we, how can we now, the question is how can we, in the coalition of the willing, in the sense of NATO allies, continue the work that we need to do, which is support Ukraine, ensure those security guarantees are in place, and ensure that Ukraine has the future that its people deserve.
06:56I'm going to press you gently.
06:59I, it's very admirable, and I understand Canada's position, but in the end, isn't it true that this decision to end this war will not be made in Ottawa, it won't be made in Brussels, it will be made by the President of the United States, how and effectively when this war is ended?
07:19Well, with great respect, if one really adheres to the principle of territorial integrity and state sovereignty, those very principles upon which the international legal order is based, then one must admit that unless Ukraine is at the table, that the resolution would not be just.
07:44And I think, I think that is an excellent, excellent point, and I think that is what we are facing right now, is perhaps a lack of respect for those exact principles that you're discussing.
07:58Senator, I'd like to turn to you.
08:00I noticed you're wearing a pin.
08:02Could you, could you tell us about the pin that you're wearing?
08:05Well, as importantly, I'm wearing colors of Ukraine.
08:07That's true.
08:08And that's intentional.
08:10It wasn't accidental.
08:11I brought this from the United States for this purpose.
08:15So, I was in Denmark before I arrived here for two days.
08:22And I guess you're right.
08:23Non-Greenland.
08:23I'm sorry?
08:24You didn't go to nuke.
08:25Not yet.
08:27But to really indicate that I and a number of other members have made it very clear that the way that we're going about projecting power in the Arctic
08:39is costly, divisive, and unnecessary.
08:42We'll have a different panel discussion about that.
08:45But with respect to Ukraine, I completely agree with the minister.
08:48I've said from the beginning that there can be no resolution in Ukraine without Ukraine at the table,
08:56and actually without Ukraine's criteria for their freedom, for their territorial integrity.
09:04Those are all decisions that have to be made by the president, his advisors, and the Ukrainian people.
09:08The United States may be able to play a facilitating role, but I think that other NATO members and other European members should also have a say in that.
09:17Because, let's face it, we're talking about European security.
09:19We're talking about the security of a country that has a 1,340-kilometer border now.
09:26Thank you, Vladimir Putin, for letting us add Sweden and Finland to the mix.
09:32Look, Vladimir Putin is a murderer.
09:35He's a liar on his best day.
09:37And what we're seeing in Ukraine are his worst days.
09:41I was in Buccia.
09:42I was in Kiev in Buccia last year after the Munich Security Conference.
09:46You can't trust him.
09:48We have to have, beyond Ukraine and the United States, we also have to have eyes on it from NATO allies,
09:54particularly those in the area, to make sure that we have a lasting and fair peace.
09:59But I think we have to look at everything that Vladimir Putin says and run it through a truth filter,
10:06because he simply can't be trusted.
10:08So this agreement has to be very specific, and there have to be consequences for violating it.
10:14Can I ask you very directly, do you think that all the noise around Greenland, the threats of tariffs,
10:21I know we're going to talk about it in other settings, but do you believe that all of this talk about Greenland is to distract from the fact that there was hopefully going to be a deal announced this week and now there isn't?
10:32Well, I can never get in the minds of people advising the president, but it certainly hasn't distracted Congress.
10:38I think you'll see an appropriations measure in place that will demonstrate financial support for Ukraine that will move through the Senate and the Congress in the coming weeks.
10:49And, you know, in the United States, this president forces us all to be able to walk and chew gum.
10:55We can't just be focused on one issue.
10:57And I think in this case, we have to continue to focus on the real threat.
11:02There's no threat in Greenland, which is why, you know, I think it's something that we need to de-escalate,
11:09something that we need to advise the president on a peaceful, more unifying path to achieving his goals,
11:15which we can talk about separately.
11:20But here the focus is on Ukraine.
11:22I think the American people still continue to support Ukraine, and this is an election year.
11:27Those who veered too far away may have electoral consequences to deal with, frankly.
11:32And that's what I love about the fact that you're on our panel because you're not running for election this year.
11:36Yeah, but as I told the minister, as I told the minister, if you check my record in the first administration, I was equally outspoken.
11:43Here's the point.
11:44This is where it's very important.
11:46I support the majority of President Trump's policies.
11:50I'll give you a good example in Greenland.
11:52I support the what, being able to project power in the Arctic.
11:56My goodness, anyone in NATO should understand that as a priority.
12:00We had Russia and China actually in military exercises in the Arctic for the first time, large-scale military exercises.
12:07So clearly, we have to have a power projection platform, and Greenland makes a lot of geographic sense.
12:13But you're talking about a territory that has offered for a dollar one of their military bases.
12:19At the height of our relationship with Greenland and Denmark, we had 17 military operations here.
12:24We have one today.
12:26For anyone to suggest that in order for us to be present in Greenland and project power, that it requires some financial transaction,
12:33which incidentally, as a fiscal conservative, would be more costly than we need to, to achieve the president's aim.
12:40And I think over time, hopefully, we'll get the president to recognize that and have the policy that's commensurate with that.
12:47I suppose the argument is that in a world where China, with Russia as a somewhat client state, rising in its power,
12:57if the United States does not own that territory, that they could get very severe and serious pushback from a Europe that is wavering between the United States and a very, very powerful China.
13:09Anyway, that's the argument.
13:10Yeah, but again, if I can, just briefly, a part of...
13:14He's weighing in as well.
13:15A part of what we have to...
13:17A part of the reason that we're here is President Trump's justifiable frustration with some of our brothers and sisters in NATO
13:26who came far short of their investment in our mutual defense over the last 20 years.
13:32I've been the Republican leader of the Senate NATO Observer Group for 20 years.
13:35Collectively, $2 trillion, with a T, has not been spent to achieve the minimum that our colleagues should have in NATO.
13:47Can you imagine what deterrent effect there would have been if every member of NATO had actually invested the $2 trillion over 20 years?
13:56What would that have done for modernization?
13:58What would that have done for the industrial base?
14:01So I think a part of the president's frustration, and no one can doubt that everyone paying up to the minimum now and now achieving 5% limits,
14:12anyone, credit anyone other than Donald Trump's not been following current events,
14:16every past president in this century attempted to do it and they didn't.
14:21So I think he's frustrated by that.
14:23But that frustration should not transcend into the current policy posture with respect to Greenland.
14:29I think we have to de-escalate it, but I hope that this is an important lesson learned by those of us who care about NATO
14:35and believe it's the most consequential and important treaty in the history of man.
14:41Let's make sure that we don't drift again or we put ourselves in the same sort of vulnerable position that we find ourselves today.
14:48Could I just emphasize the importance of focusing on Ukraine, which is what this panel is about?
14:56We have heard from someone from the president's office, in fact, the president of Ukraine's office, Lensky's office,
15:04about the importance of security guarantees and the importance of Ukraine deciding its own sovereign future.
15:12And I think the onus is on us to ensure that we are supporting Ukraine as it enters, you know, yet another year.
15:25We're almost four years on since the further illegal invasion.
15:30And we need to seek a resolution and we need to ensure that Ukraine's at the table in that process.
15:38So the real question, if this is truly a panel about Ukraine, the real question is how we can support this process.
15:49I agree with you.
15:50We don't hold the levers to ensure that a ceasefire occurs ourselves.
15:56But that doesn't mean that we withdraw and do nothing.
16:01In fact, what it means is we search for the means by which we can assist and ensure that the rule of law
16:13and the territorial integrity, meaning the geographical boundaries of Ukraine, remain intact.
16:22I agree completely.
16:23I'd like to turn to Mr. Budinov and bring the focus back, as you rightly say we should.
16:34Would it be fair to say that today Russia is winning the war?
16:39Look, no, no, she can't say that she won't win or won't win, because otherwise, in principle, this conversation would not have been.
16:52If there is a fact of the conclusion of winning, then it will be fair to say it.
16:56But obviously, everyone see that the competition is going to be a long way.
16:59I would like to add a little remark, as they say, to the speakers, I think it's not quite correct, when you say that Ukraine has to have a place behind the table of negotiations and so on.
17:15So we are in the process of negotiations, I just told you about it from the beginning.
17:18I came here, and I will tell you, from Miami, where we have to prepare the work with the president of the president of the Trump administration.
17:27It is all known, in principle, I don't think I should say again, we are in the process, understand this correctly.
17:34This process, thank God, does not go without us.
17:37But also, back to the question of Russia, we need to remember that we can't do it just from this process.
17:44We tried, you see, it did not go.
17:474th year, it did not go.
17:49It is actually 2012.
17:51It is necessary to understand that there are not pleasant people, there are not pleasant countries, maybe even though.
17:58But the disappointment of eyes on this does not help.
18:02We have to have a deal with them.
18:03Unfortunately, it is so happened, that we will do it and it will be done.
18:07And I will be very grateful for the United States and all countries, all of us, the United States and Canada, all of the Americans, all of you who supported us these years.
18:21And we will now help you.
18:23And we will now need your help.
18:24She really needs to be supported.
18:27Because without your involvement in this process, our position is still weaker.
18:32And with a weak position, again, it will be problematic.
18:38But in principle, it is impossible.
18:40So please, be with us.
18:42Let's get rid of all these misunderstandings,
18:48which are between countries, which all this time helped.
18:52We accumulate resources, we mobilize and we will get the truth to the end.
18:56We need a rightful peace, all right.
18:58We need guarantees of safety.
19:00We need a plan of construction and restoration of the country.
19:04But in the middle of the country, they will not help.
19:08That's my answer.
19:12Can I ask you a follow-on question, which is that,
19:18do you think that Vladimir Putin will be satisfied with some territorial concessions,
19:28a cessation of hostilities and a promise that Ukraine in the foreseeable future will not join NATO?
19:36Or do you think that will be a holding position for Russia to
19:40and embolden Vladimir Putin and his administration to restart the hostilities at a future date not too far in the future?
19:54It's a question of a war.
19:56It's a question of a conflict, again,
19:58it's one thing.
20:00It's one thing, one thing,
20:02one thing.
20:04It's one thing, one thing,
20:06that for Russia,
20:08it's the most important argument that they all these years,
20:14I want to remind you that this is already 12 years ago,
20:17that is the fact of the return of Ukraine.
20:21It started with the occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea,
20:26when the main reason was used to be used two tips.
20:32First, the common connections with Russian Russian people,
20:36which is quite strange to sound.
20:39And second, the main reason, on which I have made an accent,
20:42is the protection of the Russian Federation from NATO.
20:48Because with the confirmation of their propaganda,
20:51there were already prepared plans for the UN's forces in Crimea,
20:55and they kind of forced to do what they did with an anexion,
20:59in order to prevent this.
21:02Then we went to the Donbass,
21:04there was a little bit of the NATO's on top of it,
21:08but then it was already used.
21:10And then there was already a long-term expansion of the second year of 2022,
21:17in which, again, one of the main reasons,
21:21is, let's say so,
21:26that they will protect Russia from the United States from the United States,
21:32that it will not be addressed by the UN's forces under the United States
21:41and the UN's forces and the UN's forces,
21:44that it will not be addressed by the UN's forces in the United States.
21:45for the existence of the Russian Federation.
21:48Because if Russia will depend on that,
21:51that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO,
21:54it will definitely depend on that.
21:56What will happen from this, let's look at it.
22:00Any negotiation process, he really loves silence,
22:03but you will all of it see all of the time.
22:15Your analysis on Vladimir Putin, I know you're going to tell me who knows
22:21and you can't understand the Russian perspective,
22:24but what do you think his ultimate goal is?
22:27Is it genuinely the reconstitution of the great Russian Empire,
22:32the Soviet Empire?
22:34Do you think that if he achieves at least some of his aims in Ukraine
22:40that the Baltics could be threatened?
22:44Next.
22:46Well, I guess he has been quite outspoken about his goals.
22:50He published his writing, was it back in 21?
22:56And that certainly not only was about reestablishing the Soviet Empire,
23:02but certainly also limiting also the posture of NATO and all this.
23:09But I have to say, because Russians typically use this narrative of NATO being a threat to them,
23:16which obviously is completely bollocks.
23:20If you...
23:21Technical term.
23:22Yes.
23:23If you now think about when Finland and Sweden joined NATO three years ago,
23:31there hasn't been less troops behind the Finnish border to Russia in the past three years than basically for decades.
23:40If NATO was such a massive threat, why have the troops in Ukraine, why not bring them back to the border?
23:48So, of course, that is simply a narrative that Russia has been pushing to justify this and that.
23:55That they operate, which is fully against the UN Charter.
24:01And what comes to the previous discussion, I actually do agree both with Senator Tillis and Minister Anand in this.
24:08Well, yes, we need a just peace for Ukraine, but at the same time, we need to be fortifying NATO.
24:15And that is because I'm not seeing the threat of Russia going away with any peace deal, especially if it's not a good peace deal.
24:27The Russian threat probably will be there for, I don't know, for the foreseeable future.
24:34And it will be affecting the entire transatlantic alliance.
24:37We do see the Russian threat certainly from the Arctic.
24:41They are active in Africa.
24:43And of course, they are active where, you know, they have the possibility and the interest to do so.
24:50But together, if we invest decisively into defense and deterrence, then certainly there's nothing that can keep us from winning.
25:02And also, finally, on the question whether Russia was winning on Ukraine, certainly no.
25:07I mean, if you were winning, you wouldn't be abducting children or having people freeze in their apartments when it's minus 15 outside.
25:15They are certainly not winning and I think Ukrainians have all the right, not just to assume that they will have the freedom that they have been fighting for, but that will come.
25:34I'm more than certain about it.
25:36I've been having some interesting discussions here in Davos last couple of days.
25:42And one of the arguments I've heard is that NATO is done.
25:48NATO is over.
25:49And that we are seeing the just dissolution of this, as you say, very important treaty that has lasted since, you know, for a long time.
26:04And that we're seeing the birth of something new, maybe call it a board of peace, call it what you like.
26:13But how much do you think that that argument rings true to any of you on the panel?
26:19Well, Canada is a founding member of NATO and maybe I'll just start and I'm sure others have valuable things to say.
26:27I will admit there is no doubt that NATO is facing challenges now as it seeks to ensure that there's unity in NATO as well as the concept of collective defense and deterrence is actually effective in practice.
26:49That doesn't mean that NATO dissolves.
26:53It means that NATO rises to the challenge to meet the moment.
26:58And I have been continuously pressing the point that NATO, as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, needs to not only have a focus on the eastern flank of Europe, but also on the northern and western flanks.
27:18Because as we all agree, the threat from Russia in the Arctic and beyond is undeniable.
27:27And if NATO is going to meet this moment, it needs also to develop the strategy to do so.
27:36And that's what my conversations with the Nordic Five and Mark Rutte, the Secretary General, have been about.
27:47What is the strategy to meet the moment?
27:50NATO needs that strategy.
27:52Feel free to weigh in on the topic of NATO defunct or not.
27:57I'm going to throw another question in there and I'm going to address it to you, Mr. Budinov.
28:02How important, from your perspective, is the role of China?
28:07Because if you listen to the US administration, but if you also look at the facts, I've talked to the heads of several Western intelligence agencies who say that if China was not supporting Russia today with technological, military, logistical support, Russia would not have been able to continue to fight up until this point.
28:31So how important, from your perspective and others can weigh in, is the role of China in this conflict?
28:38Thank you for your question.
28:40Thank you for your question.
28:42The question is your question, you know, is it more philosophical, on the truth.
28:48How can you now, in 1926, respond to the question, like, how would everything happen, if China would not have been there?
28:57Or if your role would have been absolutely different?
29:01I think you would agree with this.
29:03Now, regarding the real role of China in this process, I will bring you, perhaps, a couple of examples, and everyone will make this one's own reasoning.
29:19If you remember the first period of the second period of the second period of the second period of the second period of 2022,
29:26what the second period of the second period of the second period of 2022 is in the world of the second period of spring,
29:29so that in the spring, the last period of 2022, there were articles, several other videos,
29:48They sent thousands of machines, computers and so on.
29:54This all happened because of the fact that there was a critical need in different kinds of controllers,
30:09micro-schemas and so on, which, by the way, in the first days of the war,
30:14not selling. This is just a fact.
30:18Then, China understood how to use it,
30:20and Russia, as an agressor,
30:24showed up with more restrictions than she was,
30:26she wanted to look at the paths of the exit from this situation.
30:30It is clear that she, through business channels,
30:34by, let's say,
30:38she found a great partner to have a great channel of distribution.
30:46First of all, the components of the electronics,
30:50then went to wear hats,
30:52then went to different materials,
30:56the materials,
30:58from which they were making those or other elements,
31:00weapons and so on.
31:02So, this cooperation was supported.
31:04Russia paid for this huge costs,
31:06much more than any country,
31:09for such products,
31:10but there was no other options.
31:14Then, China began to use this situation.
31:16Or, if you can see this situation,
31:18or if you can see it in this situation,
31:20again, the question of philosophy.
31:22There was a possibility.
31:23There was a possibility.
31:24There was a possibility.
31:25There was a possibility of profits.
31:26Just huge.
31:27After this,
31:28there was a political part.
31:29They began to have, say,
31:31more influence on the Russian Federation.
31:33There were more sanctions.
31:34There were more sanctions.
31:35And there was more Russia,
31:37in principle,
31:38the more Russia went to the hands of China.
31:39Which, of course,
31:40now,
31:41all of them are not covered.
31:43What should we do next?
31:46This is the main question.
31:49Because now,
31:51there was an exchange of military technologies
31:53from Russia to China.
31:55China, by the way,
31:56did not give any ready
31:58units of weapons.
31:59As if we were there,
32:00to China,
32:01good or bad,
32:02but he did not do that.
32:03He did not give any ready units of weapons.
32:06And this is just a fact.
32:08Or,
32:10he used this
32:11for strengthening their country,
32:14I have no idea of China,
32:15and strengthening the influence
32:16on the Russian Federation.
32:17And,
32:18if they finally
32:20look at this Russian Federation.
32:23Yes,
32:24it is.
32:25It is.
32:26It is.
32:27It is.
32:28It is.
32:29But they also know it.
32:30They know it.
32:31I hope I answer your question.
32:33Yes.
32:34Well, first off,
32:38I won't get into details,
32:39because it was a question back.
32:40Russia is losing.
32:43The reason why the Russians are at the table,
32:45Putin is at the table,
32:46is because we have proven
32:47that NATO technology is superior to them.
32:50We have proven
32:51that their non-commissioned officers are inferior,
32:53are going to take a decade
32:55to actually get back to the level
32:57that we enjoy every day in NATO
32:59and in the United States.
33:00So I think that that is very important.
33:03China, in many respects,
33:05is the number one winner if Russia wins in Ukraine.
33:10Russia does want to recreate the empire.
33:13Putin is afraid of losing relevance.
33:15He's losing relevance because he's a failure
33:17and he's failing the Russian people.
33:19He's failing in Ukraine.
33:21China is, I agree, not supplying material,
33:25but they're supplying support.
33:28And they know that a successful Russia
33:30probably has an end,
33:32very similar to what was suggested here.
33:34The Chinese people are also taking advantage,
33:39I know we're going to stay on Ukraine,
33:42but they're taking advantage of this moment with NATO,
33:44the tumult that we're experiencing in NATO.
33:46It's not a secret that they have an open door
33:50to someone from your neck of the woods just recently
33:53to talk about economic ties.
33:55I think that that's probably an appropriate discussion
33:57to have among world leaders,
34:00but make no mistake about it,
34:01that's just another economic tentacle
34:03that China wants to spread across the globe
34:06to ultimately not democratize the world,
34:09but to see the world evolve into their end state.
34:14So I think that we have to be just realistic about it.
34:17We want good, strong economic ties with China
34:21and with other nations,
34:22but we also have to recognize them for what they are.
34:24They are cheering Russia along, at least silently,
34:27and are hopeful for the day that they succeed there.
34:30And success in Ukraine immediately threatens Moldova,
34:37the Balkans, and we know the game plan.
34:40This is fairly straightforward.
34:41I'm going to be traveling to Moldova after the Munich Security Conference.
34:45We have National Guardsmen there.
34:47We have a relationship with Moldova.
34:49Thank God they won the elections there.
34:51Russia tried to do everything else through hybrid warfare
34:53that's occurring across the globe.
34:55They did everything they could.
34:57It's a very positive sign that the Moldovan people
35:00got what they wanted out of their election,
35:02but make no mistake about it,
35:04Russia's Milan influence, with China being a cheerleader,
35:08is an everyday occurrence since February of 2022.
35:12I want to give the audience a chance to ask a question.
35:17Maybe I'll go to the very back, to you, ma'am.
35:22Can you hear me?
35:23Yeah.
35:24Great.
35:25I'm from Ukraine, the only one Ukrainian representing Global Shapers here.
35:28That was Freddie.
35:30I have the question, first of all, thank you for being so supportive.
35:33Thank you for sending it with Ukraine.
35:35That's something we need very much.
35:37But the question is about how or what should Ukrainians,
35:42I don't know, Office of the President,
35:44use community, NGOs still do to mobilize this international support?
35:51I mean, to reach real fair peace.
35:54Because I'm, of course, questioning if this might be a real one.
35:59I'm sorry for being a bit critical.
36:01Okay.
36:02I wish it would be.
36:04So, the question is, how should NGOs...
36:10How can international...
36:12In terms of reaching real fair peace.
36:16Okay.
36:17Would you like to answer?
36:19No, in general, in general, I would say from the international community.
36:23Okay.
36:24Do you have any suggestion?
36:26Well...
36:27Yeah, please.
36:28No, no, no.
36:29Let's go ahead, please.
36:30After you.
36:31Yeah.
36:32Yeah.
36:33Well, didn't want to hijack the answer, but, well, today, for instance,
36:39I've used every bilateral I've had to also rally support for Ukraine
36:44and at the same time rally support for the UN Charter, the territorial integrity
36:49and the sovereignty of nations.
36:51And I think, depending a little bit how you put it with the partner across the globe
36:56you discuss it with, I think it's very easy to find friends for exactly these two principles.
37:03And even if you add the freedom of people or human rights, that's, of course, not interpreted
37:08the same way everywhere around the world, that's certainly that we should be doing.
37:14But, unfortunately, we have seen that over the course of the past four years, and Russia
37:20is really making use of this, since global attention has shifted to so many other places,
37:27too, away from Ukraine, then perhaps that has taken something away from the sort of the feeling of urgency
37:35to help Ukraine, whereas, again, we saw last night with the strikes in so many cities across Ukraine.
37:43I mean, the, you know, the need is there now.
37:47So, I think it's an obligation not just to Ukraine, but to the global community to rally support.
37:59Yeah, please.
38:01Let's go ahead and ask.
38:03Let's see.
38:05If we come from the fact that we, as a civilized country, Ukraine,
38:10all of which we are all-таки, as a civilized country,
38:12we live in a paradigm of human-centric,
38:15where life, freedom and so on, people are standing above everything,
38:20and then everything is reduced to this,
38:25then it is possible to understand.
38:27That, in principle, all in your question, is the same answer.
38:31You are представители of my comuns.
38:34You have to ask how to help and so on, and so on.
38:38So, help, please.
38:40In our society, our society,
38:45our society, it's not in a country,
38:47I, as the previous head of development, can I just throw you numbers in different countries, but I think you will know it's wonderful.
38:55Please work together with them, together.
38:58Ukraine needs help, this is for anyone not secret.
39:01Ukraine needs help in all areas.
39:04Starting from, excuse me, to donate to weapons and to help wounded people who lost everything in this war.
39:13Finally, it may be a little bit beautiful, but the influence of the people who have already been assimilated on the politics of those countries, where they live.
39:25And this will help immediately.
39:43Those of you watching on the live stream and everybody in the room, and happy Davos.
39:51Thank you so much.
39:56Good luck with the next year.
40:04Bye.
40:05Bye.
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