00:00Resolution would not be just and I think I think that is an excellent excellent point, and I think
00:08That is what we are facing right now is perhaps
00:12A lack of respect for those exact principles that you're discussing
00:16Senator I'd like to turn to you. I noticed you're wearing a
00:20Pin could you could you tell us about the pin that you're wearing as importantly? I'm wearing colors of Ukraine
00:26That's true, too, and that's intentional. It wasn't accidental. I brought this from the United States
00:31For this purpose so I wasn't in Denmark before I arrived here for two days
00:39And I guess you're on Greenland. I'm sorry. You didn't go to new
00:43Not yet
00:45but they but to to really indicate that that that I
00:50I and a number of other members have made it very clear that the way that we're going about projecting power in the arctic is
00:57costly
00:58divisive and unnecessary
01:00We'll have a different panel discussion about that, but with respect to Ukraine. I completely agree with the minister
01:06I've said from the beginning that there can be no
01:11Resolution and in Ukraine without Ukraine at the table and actually without Ukraine's
01:16criteria for their freedom for their
01:20For their territorial integrity those are all decisions that have to be made by the president his advisers and the Ukrainian people
01:27The United States may be able to play a facilitating role
01:31But I think that other NATO members and other European members should also have a say in that because let's face it
01:36We're talking about European security. We're talking about the security of a country that has a
01:40Thirteen hundred and forty mile of 40 kilometer border now
01:44Thank you Vladimir Putin for letting us add Sweden and Finland to the mix
01:50Look Vladimir Putin is a murderer
01:53He's a liar on his best day and what we're seeing in Ukraine are his worst days. I was in Bucha
02:00I was in in Kiev in Bucha last year after the Munich Security Conference
02:04You can't trust him
02:06We have to have beyond Ukraine in the United States. We also have to have eyes on it from NATO allies particularly those in the area
02:14To make sure that we have a lasting and fair peace, but I think we we have to look at everything
02:19That Vladimir Putin says and run it through a truth
02:23filter because he simply can't be trusted so this agreement has to be very specific and there have to be consequences for violating it
02:31Can I ask you very directly? Do you think that all the noise around Greenland the threats of tariffs?
02:39I know we're going to talk about another settings, but do you believe that that all of this talk about Greenland is?
02:45To distract from the fact that there was hopefully going to be a deal announced this week and now there isn't now
02:50I can never get in the minds of people advising the president, but it certainly hasn't distracted Congress
02:56I think you'll see an appropriations measure in place that will demonstrate
03:01Financial support for Ukraine that will move through the Senate and the Congress in the coming weeks
03:07And you know in the United States as president forces us all to be able to walk and chew gum
03:13We can't just be focused on one issue and I think in this case we have to continue to focus on the real threat
03:20There's no threat in Greenland, which is why you know, I think it's
03:25It's it's something that we need to deescalate something that we need to advise the president on a and a peaceful more unifying path to achieving his goals
03:33which in which
03:35We can talk about separately
03:38But here the focus is on Ukraine
03:40I think the American people still continue to support Ukraine and this is an election year
03:45Those who veered too far away may have electoral consequences to deal with frankly
03:50And that's what I love about the fact that you're on our panel because you're not running for election this year
03:54Yeah, but as I told the minister as I told the minister if you check my record and the first administration
04:00I was equally outspoken here. Here's the point. This is where it's very important. I
04:05I support the majority of President Trump's policies. I'll give you a good example in Greenland
04:09I support the what being able to project power in the Arctic. My goodness anyone in NATO should understand that as a priority
04:17We had Russia and China
04:20Actually in military exercises in the Arctic for the first time large-scale military exercises
04:25So clearly we have to have a power projection platform and Greenland makes a lot of geographic sense
04:31But you're talking about a territory that has offered for a dollar one of their military bases at the height of our relationship with Greenland and Denmark
04:40We had 17 military operations here we have one today
04:43For anyone to suggest that in order for us to be present in Greenland and project power that it requires some financial transaction
04:51Which incidentally as a fiscal conservative would be more costly than we need to to achieve the president's aim?
04:58And I think over time hopefully we will get to the president to recognize that and have the policy that that's commensurate with that
05:06I suppose the argument is that
05:09In a world where China with Russia as a somewhat client state
05:14Rising in its power if the United States does not own that territory that they could get very severe and serious pushback from a Europe that is wavering between
05:23Between the United States and a very very powerful China anyway, that's yeah, but but again if I can just briefly a part of these way in as well
05:33a part of what we have to a part of the reason that we're here is is President Trump's
05:40Justifiable frustration with some of our brothers and sisters in NATO
05:44Who came far short of their investment in our mutual defense over the last 20 years?
05:49I've been the Republican leader of the Senate NATO observer group for 20 years
05:55Collectively two
05:57Trillion dollars with a T
05:59Has not been spent to achieve the minimum that our colleagues should have in NATO
06:05Can you imagine what deterrent effect there would have been if every member of NATO had actually invested the two trillion dollars over 20 years?
06:13What would that have done for modernization?
06:15What would that have done for the industrial base? So I think a part of the president's frustration and
06:23No one can doubt that everyone paying up to the minimum now and now achieving five percent limits
06:30Anyone credit anyone other than Donald Trump's not been following current events every past president in this century
06:38Attempted to do it and they didn't so I think he's frustrated by that
06:41But that frustration should not transcend
06:44Into the current policy posture with respect to Greenland
06:47I think we have to de-escalate it, but I hope that this is
06:50An important lesson learned by those of us who care about NATO and believe it's the most consequential and important treaty in the history of man
06:59Let's make sure that we don't drift again
07:02Are we put ourselves in the same sort of vulnerable position that we find ourselves today?
07:07Could I could I just?
07:09Emphasize the importance of focusing on Ukraine, which is what this panel is about
07:14We have
07:16Heard from someone from the president's office
07:19In fact the president of Ukraine's office lens case office about the importance of
07:25security guarantees and the importance of Ukraine
07:28Deciding its own sovereign
07:32Volunteer of the president
07:35What would I do?
07:35So
07:37Heard from someone from the administration
07:40We have to go
07:40Back to someone from the president
07:43Heard from somebody who has a person
07:44To the president of Ukraine
07:45And he was the one who is in the world
07:45Heard from somebody who has been the one who is in the world
07:47Heard from my father
07:49YouAsia
07:50Heard from somebody who is the president of Europe
07:52Heard from my father
07:54Heard from a father
07:55We have to look at his husband
07:57The president of
07:59The president of Ukraine
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