CTP (20260305 S3EMarSpecial2) Edward Tick War And The Soul Plus Much More BTS/SP Video

Joseph M. Lenard

CTP (S3EMarSpecial2) War And The Soul Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond    We sit with Dr. Edward Tick to examine war’s invisible wounds and why true homecoming requires more than treatment codes. Stories from Vietnam, Greece, scripture, and a lifetime with veterans reveal how cultures can prevent moral injury and restore meaning. • defining post‑traumatic soul distress and social disorder • why Vietnam reports less PTSD and what they do differently • elder warriors, rites of return, and communal healing • draft lottery, preventive war, and moral injury to trust • Greek and biblical lessons on hubris, justice, self‑defense • moving from combatant to elder protector in civilian life • practical steps for listening, ritual, and mentorship • resources: War and the Soul and Warriors Return by Edward Tick • where to find Edward: edwardtick.com https://tinyurl.com/SubscribeToCTP   CTP Audios: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBuzzsprout  CTP Videos: https://tinyurl.com/JLDonBITCHUTE  https://tinyurl.com/CTPgear

Transcript

00:00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.

00:00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.

00:00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D, it's the French, it's not, it's Leonard without an O.

00:00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.

00:00:24Let's get on with the show!

00:00:26Hello! Special segment for February and March, mid-week drops.

00:00:34Normally Saturday monologues and normally a guest appearance on a Wednesday.

00:00:41February and March, two a week, Tuesday and Thursdays,

00:00:45in order to get caught up on some interviews that have been stacking up.

00:00:51Enjoy.

00:00:52Joining me today is Edward Tick, author of War and the Soul,

00:01:00to whom I responded,

00:01:02Bingo! The heart, the mind, the body, the soul, all can be harmed and broken.

00:01:08And I really wanted to have this guest on,

00:01:12because people have said he really gets under your skin.

00:01:16Get it? Tick? Tick.

00:01:19But that's bummed, right?

00:01:21I can't pass the lame puns.

00:01:24All in good fun. All in good fun.

00:01:26I've been hearing it for 75 years, brother.

00:01:30No, no doubt. I'm not the first.

00:01:32I won't be the last to make that joke, yes?

00:01:36Right.

00:01:37All right. Welcome to the show, Edward.

00:01:40How are you doing today?

00:01:41Thank you. I'm honored to be with you.

00:01:42Thank you for having me.

00:01:44Thank you for the important education to the public that you do with your show.

00:01:51I try, anyway.

00:01:53And I love, for those viewing on the behind-the-scenes videos,

00:01:57as opposed to the 25-plus audio platforms or reading a transcript,

00:02:04I love your background.

00:02:06Is that an actual photo from somewhere near you?

00:02:10Yes. That is a photo from the small Greek island of Poros, P-O-R-O-S.

00:02:17I'm going next week.

00:02:19I lead pilgrimages to Greece every year.

00:02:22I also lead pilgrimages to Vietnam.

00:02:26In Vietnam, of course, many of the travelers are veterans.

00:02:30In Greece, sometimes veterans, warriors come as well,

00:02:34and sometimes they lead warrior journeys only to Greece

00:02:37to use the ancient Greek warrior tradition for our healing.

00:02:41So what you're seeing behind me is a mountaintop,

00:02:46a view of a sanctuary of the sea god Poseidon on a small Greek island.

00:02:51We travel there.

00:02:53We use this island and other sacred areas nearby,

00:02:57including and especially those connected with ancient warfare

00:03:01to study and understand the ancient Greek tradition

00:03:05and how we can use it today.

00:03:06So I'm on this island a whole lot,

00:03:08and literally I'll be there next week with eight travelers.

00:03:15Three of them are veterans,

00:03:17and one of them is an orphan of Vietnam combat veterans.

00:03:23So for behind the scenes,

00:03:25today is Thursday, February the 26th.

00:03:29We're recording this.

00:03:31I don't know exactly yet when it will air.

00:03:34Of course, we will remain in communication via PodMatch,

00:03:40the system that we found each other on.

00:03:42But let's back this train up, right?

00:03:44Put it in reverse, beep, beep, beep,

00:03:48and go to the where were you born and raised?

00:03:53Where are you now?

00:03:54Significant places.

00:03:56Although you've touched on a few already,

00:03:58you've been in between and that sort of stuff.

00:04:02Sure.

00:04:03I'll try to keep that short so we can get to the more delicious material

00:04:08that we need to share today.

00:04:11All right.

00:04:11So I was born in the Bronx.

00:04:14Oh!

00:04:15And this is my real accent.

00:04:17Yeah.

00:04:19Born in the Bronx in 1951.

00:04:22And my community in the Bronx was lots and lots of World War II veterans,

00:04:28of course,

00:04:29and refugees from Europe,

00:04:32from World War I and World War II

00:04:34and escaping Eastern Europe and the Holocaust and the pogroms and all that.

00:04:38So I was exposed to war trauma from the beginning of my life.

00:04:44My father is a veteran.

00:04:46He wasn't overseas, but he had PTSD from his parents who escaped Russia and Poland

00:04:54and from his military service.

00:04:56And my godfather, who lived right around the corner from us in the Bronx,

00:05:02was my mother's only brother, an older sibling,

00:05:06who was a combat medic at the Battle of the Bulge.

00:05:08And he did not have what we call PTSD today.

00:05:13He had shell shock.

00:05:14Yeah.

00:05:15He had shell shock.

00:05:16He talked to the real shock like this his whole life.

00:05:21So he came home whole in body,

00:05:25but extremely wounded in mind and heart and spirit.

00:05:28And I absorbed that energy.

00:05:30He never told me his stories,

00:05:31but standing next to him, I got it.

00:05:34So fast forward to we moved from the Bronx to Queens.

00:05:41And then I was in high school and then college during the Vietnam War.

00:05:46I believe in universal service of some kind.

00:05:50We needed cultures who have universal service.

00:05:54They're giving their youth rites of passage

00:05:57and the youth are giving back to the culture for all they received.

00:06:00So I wanted to serve,

00:06:03but honestly, I looked really closely at the politics

00:06:07and I did not believe in or agree with the Vietnam War.

00:06:10So I began protesting at age 15 in high school,

00:06:14but not protesting the veterans,

00:06:16protesting that our country was there.

00:06:21All right.

00:06:22Then I'm in college.

00:06:24I went to college in 1968.

00:06:26I had the Vietnam War.

00:06:28My first year, I had a student deferment.

00:06:33And then for us old guys like you and me,

00:06:37we had the deferments were done away with

00:06:41and then the lottery system was instituted for who gets drafted.

00:06:45And for those who don't know,

00:06:47the government pulled birthdays out of a hat.

00:06:50And when they pulled your birthday, you got that number.

00:06:53So everybody was really frightened.

00:06:56I went to college a year early.

00:06:57So I was actually in the second lottery.

00:07:00If I was in the first lottery,

00:07:01I got my birthday, got number two.

00:07:04My mother heard that and literally she fainted.

00:07:07She almost had a heart attack.

00:07:09She thought I was off for Vietnam.

00:07:10In the second lottery, I got a high number, 244.

00:07:15Oh my God.

00:07:15Suddenly I don't have to do anything.

00:07:18One third of our generation is going to war.

00:07:20One third, maybe, depends how bad it is.

00:07:23And one third, scot-free, nothing.

00:07:25We're going to talk about moral injury today.

00:07:28That is a moral injury to the nation.

00:07:31The number of non-veterans who have told our vets,

00:07:34oh, I should have been with you, next to you in Vietnam.

00:07:37I was against it before, but there's something missing in me.

00:07:41And I have some kind of injury and missing part of me

00:07:44because I didn't serve.

00:07:46We all have that.

00:07:47And that's not the way to get out of service

00:07:50through a lottery system.

00:07:51It's horrible.

00:07:52In a way, that's almost a survivor's guilt.

00:07:57Yes, right.

00:07:58Yes, yes, yes.

00:07:59So I guess we could say I was loaded.

00:08:03I wanted to give some service like my uncle at the Bulge.

00:08:07I would have been willing to serve as a medic.

00:08:11I had determined that if I was drafted,

00:08:13I was going to volunteer to be a medic.

00:08:15So I could still keep my values

00:08:17and try to bring some hope and healing in the combat zone.

00:08:20I didn't have to do that.

00:08:22All right.

00:08:22So I got my master's degree in psychology in 1975.

00:08:27I moved to a small town in the Hudson Valley, New York State.

00:08:32And I was invited into a medical practice as a therapist.

00:08:36And what do you know?

00:08:37This is 1975, six, seven.

00:08:40PTSD was not even a diagnosis until 1980.

00:08:44Vets started to come into my practice,

00:08:48including a friend from high school

00:08:50who didn't remember,

00:08:52didn't know he was coming to see an old softball buddy.

00:08:55He just walked into the office

00:08:56and he looked like hell.

00:08:59And I just cleared my eyes.

00:09:01I said, oh my God, oh my God, is that you, Scott?

00:09:05And he shook his eyes and he said,

00:09:08eh, what are you doing here?

00:09:10How did you put us together?

00:09:12I said, Scott, you look like a wreck.

00:09:14Heck, last time we were together,

00:09:16we were playing softball and you were great.

00:09:18And we had the same kind of background.

00:09:19What happened?

00:09:20And he just shook his head and he said,

00:09:23Nam, man, Nam, the war did this to me.

00:09:27So I was exposed from the beginning of the homecoming

00:09:30and I've been working with our veterans since then.

00:09:34I have lots of stories to share about it

00:09:36from working with Vietnam veterans

00:09:38to working with all veterans.

00:09:39But briefly for now,

00:09:41through a lot of introspection,

00:09:44a lot of spiritual work,

00:09:46a lot of prayer and meditation,

00:09:49my identity evolved

00:09:51from a psychotherapist for Vietnam veterans

00:09:54to a war trauma healer

00:09:56for all survivors of all veterans,

00:09:59no matter where I meet them,

00:10:01where I run into them.

00:10:02So that continues to this day.

00:10:04So I've worked with American vets

00:10:06from the Spanish Civil War to today.

00:10:09And I work overseas.

00:10:12One of my books, Warriors Return,

00:10:14is translated into both Russian and Ukrainian.

00:10:17And I'm working by Zoom

00:10:19with their military healers

00:10:21to try to help them learn

00:10:23how to address the trauma

00:10:24even as it's happening.

00:10:26And I've led...

00:10:28Yeah, if you can intercede early,

00:10:31if you could...

00:10:32It's not something you can really,

00:10:35I dare say,

00:10:36prepare for,

00:10:38but anything you at least

00:10:39remotely entertain

00:10:42ahead and think about

00:10:44and know

00:10:45can be an issue,

00:10:47you can get your head around it

00:10:49a little easier

00:10:51later.

00:10:52Yes?

00:10:52Yes, for sure, my friend.

00:10:54And I would even...

00:10:55I would push that a little harder.

00:10:57There are ways

00:10:58we can better prepare

00:11:00our people

00:11:01for military

00:11:02and combat service.

00:11:04There are ways

00:11:05other countries

00:11:06do it much better than us.

00:11:08Much better.

00:11:09So, for example,

00:11:11this is shocking

00:11:11and it's true.

00:11:13So I've led

00:11:1419 reconciliation

00:11:16and healing journeys

00:11:17to Vietnam.

00:11:18I began in 2000

00:11:20and I only stopped

00:11:20when the pandemic stopped.

00:11:22All of us.

00:11:23And I've written

00:11:24about this extensively.

00:11:26There's some articles,

00:11:27there's a chapter

00:11:28in my book,

00:11:29Warriors Return.

00:11:30I have a book of poetry

00:11:31about the trips to Vietnam.

00:11:33While we in the United States

00:11:35tragically have

00:11:36epidemic levels

00:11:37of PTSD

00:11:38and moral injury,

00:11:39in Vietnam,

00:11:40where we would expect

00:11:42also epidemic levels

00:11:44because the war was there

00:11:45and it was so violent

00:11:46and they had

00:11:47so many casualties,

00:11:49so much wreckage

00:11:50to the infrastructure

00:11:51and the environment,

00:11:52we would think,

00:11:53and Western psychology

00:11:54would say,

00:11:55of course,

00:11:56they have depression

00:11:57and anxiety

00:11:58and PTSD

00:11:59and nightmares.

00:12:00My friend,

00:12:01guess what?

00:12:02They don't.

00:12:03They really don't have,

00:12:05they have very,

00:12:06very little wartime PTSD.

00:12:08Only extremely severe cases

00:12:10that may need hospitalization.

00:12:13But in Vietnam,

00:12:15because of their culture,

00:12:17because,

00:12:18no offense to our country,

00:12:20but they were the defender,

00:12:21we were the aggressor,

00:12:22because they've been invaded

00:12:25by more powerful countries

00:12:26for 2,000 years

00:12:28and they're used to struggling

00:12:31against the larger,

00:12:34more powerful invaders

00:12:35and they've been studying warfare

00:12:38and the warrior tradition

00:12:40and using their spiritual practices

00:12:43for preparation before

00:12:45and support during

00:12:47and then healing after.

00:12:48So there's really,

00:12:50well,

00:12:51we have massive PTSD

00:12:52but not much,

00:12:54well,

00:12:55the wars weren't here

00:12:56so we've got violence here

00:12:58but from warfare,

00:12:59international warfare,

00:13:01there's not much damage here

00:13:02to our environment

00:13:03or infrastructure

00:13:04but we have massive psychological

00:13:07and spiritual casualties.

00:13:08In Vietnam,

00:13:09it's exactly the reverse.

00:13:11There are people

00:13:11really well,

00:13:12loving,

00:13:13forgiving

00:13:13and they welcome us

00:13:14but they have severe damage

00:13:17still to their infrastructure

00:13:19and their environment

00:13:20and their DNA

00:13:21because of the Agent Orange.

00:13:23So,

00:13:25some of the ways they prepare

00:13:26for literally

00:13:28for generations,

00:13:30they have been having

00:13:31elder veterans

00:13:32come into their schools

00:13:33beginning in middle school

00:13:35to talk to the children

00:13:36and teach them

00:13:38their history

00:13:38and teach them

00:13:40what it's like

00:13:40to go to war

00:13:41if they have to

00:13:42and prepare them

00:13:43psychologically

00:13:45and spiritually

00:13:46for what they might

00:13:47have to experience.

00:13:48Many of our vets

00:13:51don't feel

00:13:52adequately prepared

00:13:53for the combat experience.

00:13:55Really,

00:13:56really well trained

00:13:57for how to fight

00:13:58but not at all

00:13:59well trained

00:14:00for what's going

00:14:01to happen internally,

00:14:03what the inner experience

00:14:04of the war wounds

00:14:05are going to be.

00:14:06And so,

00:14:07a lot of our vets

00:14:09they read war literature.

00:14:12They put really good books

00:14:14like

00:14:15All Quiet on the Western Front

00:14:17into their knapsacks

00:14:19and they hump them overseas

00:14:21and they're reading

00:14:22about the experience

00:14:23of war

00:14:25as they go into it

00:14:26and during it

00:14:27so that helps

00:14:28them prepare

00:14:29psychologically

00:14:30and spiritually

00:14:31for what they have

00:14:32to experience.

00:14:33So,

00:14:34this is just a few

00:14:34of the differences.

00:14:36We could go

00:14:37to Native Americans.

00:14:38The Native American tradition

00:14:39is a warrior tradition

00:14:41and they

00:14:43trained

00:14:44their children

00:14:45and their boys

00:14:45sometimes the girls

00:14:47but especially the boys

00:14:48from the beginning

00:14:49of their life

00:14:50in warrior skills

00:14:51and also

00:14:52in the ethics

00:14:53and the spirituality

00:14:54of warriorhood.

00:14:55Yeah,

00:14:56which is both

00:14:57good and bad

00:14:58because

00:14:58the negative

00:14:59aspect of it

00:15:01is you

00:15:01you're perpetuating

00:15:03a culture

00:15:04of

00:15:06endless

00:15:07never-ending

00:15:08fighting

00:15:08but as you said

00:15:10the good aspect

00:15:11of it

00:15:11is that

00:15:12at least

00:15:12if and when

00:15:14and where

00:15:14the fight

00:15:15comes

00:15:16there's

00:15:17that forethought

00:15:18given to it.

00:15:21Right,

00:15:22yes.

00:15:23Forethought

00:15:23given to it

00:15:24and also

00:15:25how should we say this

00:15:27forethought

00:15:28in preparation

00:15:29for the homecoming

00:15:32which the Native American

00:15:33people do

00:15:34to an extraordinary

00:15:35degree.

00:15:36So can I

00:15:37I'll share a story

00:15:38to this

00:15:40demonstrates

00:15:40how we were going

00:15:41to talk about

00:15:41the

00:15:42maybe

00:15:43mention the movie

00:15:44Sheepdog

00:15:46I've been

00:15:46yep

00:15:47I wrote it down

00:15:48I'm

00:15:48yeah

00:15:49you saw it

00:15:50yes

00:15:50I saw it

00:15:51I saw it

00:15:52I feel responsible

00:15:53to see

00:15:54to read everything

00:15:56I can

00:15:56and see every movie

00:15:57I can

00:15:57about the

00:15:58military and

00:15:59veteran experience

00:15:59so

00:16:00I'm good about that

00:16:02and we can talk

00:16:02about it

00:16:03so Sheepdog

00:16:04really

00:16:04is a

00:16:05very good movie

00:16:06demonstrating

00:16:07how difficult

00:16:08and painful

00:16:10and confusing

00:16:11homecoming is

00:16:12and

00:16:13that there aren't

00:16:13many people

00:16:14there are some helpers

00:16:16good therapists

00:16:17say you gotta do

00:16:17the work

00:16:20but there aren't

00:16:22that many helpers

00:16:23and

00:16:23it emphasizes

00:16:24most people

00:16:25are not gonna

00:16:25understand what

00:16:26you went through

00:16:27you're coming home

00:16:28to a civilian

00:16:29culture that

00:16:30doesn't get it

00:16:32and

00:16:32more than

00:16:33anything else

00:16:34I can cry

00:16:35when I say this

00:16:36our lawyers

00:16:37more than anything else

00:16:38just want us to get it

00:16:40get it

00:16:41get it

00:16:42get it

00:16:42get what it did

00:16:43to me inside

00:16:44hear

00:16:44hear me

00:16:45really

00:16:46hear me

00:16:47deeply

00:16:47don't just try to fix me

00:16:48and make me a civilian again

00:16:50get me

00:16:51and let's

00:16:53tell all of our

00:16:54brothers and sisters

00:16:56who are listening

00:16:56you can't become a civilian again

00:16:59it's a one way journey

00:17:01once a war

00:17:02like the marines say

00:17:03once a marine

00:17:03always a marine

00:17:04once a warrior

00:17:05always a warrior

00:17:07so

00:17:07how do I

00:17:09become a warrior

00:17:10in the civilian

00:17:11sector

00:17:12well that's

00:17:13what other

00:17:14cultures did

00:17:14and especially

00:17:15Native Americans

00:17:16to an extraordinary

00:17:17degree

00:17:18they expected

00:17:19the warriors

00:17:20to be warriors

00:17:21for life

00:17:21to be elders

00:17:23to help

00:17:25and tend

00:17:26and guide

00:17:27and heal

00:17:27the younger

00:17:28warriors

00:17:28to give

00:17:29all the

00:17:30return

00:17:31healing ceremonies

00:17:32for the younger

00:17:33warriors

00:17:33and also

00:17:34to protect

00:17:35the culture

00:17:35from the danger

00:17:36you said about

00:17:37we don't want

00:17:38an endless war

00:17:39warriors

00:17:40are for

00:17:41preservation

00:17:42and protection

00:17:43and if they become

00:17:45aggressors

00:17:46and berserkers

00:17:47that's actually

00:17:48a betrayal

00:17:49of the spiritual

00:17:50warrior ethos

00:17:51so we need

00:17:53warriors

00:17:53for preservation

00:17:55and protection

00:17:56we don't want

00:17:57them to be

00:17:58we don't want

00:17:58them to create

00:17:59a warrior class

00:18:00that is involved

00:18:01in endless warfare

00:18:02in Vietnam

00:18:04we met

00:18:06with

00:18:07he has since

00:18:07passed

00:18:08but he was a

00:18:08wonderful man

00:18:09an elder warrior

00:18:10what we're talking

00:18:12about

00:18:12his name

00:18:13he was known

00:18:14as Mr. Tiger

00:18:16Nguyen Tam Ho

00:18:17was his name

00:18:18Scout Son

00:18:19he was at war

00:18:21in combat

00:18:22for 25 years

00:18:24against the Japanese

00:18:26during World War II

00:18:27against the French

00:18:28during that war

00:18:29and then against

00:18:29the Americans

00:18:30he was peaceful

00:18:32and kind

00:18:33and loving

00:18:34and he embraced

00:18:36all of our warriors

00:18:37our veterans

00:18:38as his brothers

00:18:40and one of our vets

00:18:42said

00:18:42well do you know

00:18:43about PTSD

00:18:44do you have it here

00:18:45and he said

00:18:46no

00:18:47we know about

00:18:48your wound

00:18:49in America

00:18:49and our hearts

00:18:51are broken

00:18:51that you're still

00:18:52suffering

00:18:53we're not anymore

00:18:56so there's something

00:18:57very different

00:18:58about our cultures

00:18:59that we're okay

00:19:00when the war was here

00:19:01but you're not

00:19:02and we really

00:19:03want you to heal

00:19:05so please keep

00:19:05coming to Vietnam

00:19:06to heal

00:19:07if you can't heal

00:19:08in America

00:19:08okay

00:19:09so then

00:19:10one of the marines

00:19:11said

00:19:12well then

00:19:13Mr. Tiger

00:19:13if you don't have

00:19:14PTSD here

00:19:15how do we prevent it

00:19:16what do we do

00:19:17and he chuckled

00:19:18and he said

00:19:19oh my brother

00:19:21that's actually

00:19:22an easy question

00:19:22to prevent PTSD

00:19:24stay home

00:19:28if your country

00:19:30is attacked

00:19:30of course

00:19:31you have to

00:19:32and your children

00:19:32have to defend you

00:19:33and that's the correct

00:19:35necessary use

00:19:36of warfare

00:19:37if your

00:19:38if your country

00:19:39wants to send you

00:19:40to send your children

00:19:42overseas

00:19:42for any reasons

00:19:44they will have

00:19:45PTSD

00:19:46and moral injury

00:19:47war will

00:19:48wound their souls

00:19:49and they will

00:19:49come home damaged

00:19:50so

00:19:51watch your politics

00:19:53and be really careful

00:19:54as responsible

00:19:55citizens

00:19:55and try

00:19:56to keep

00:19:57your country

00:19:57acting correctly

00:19:58not to

00:19:59go

00:20:00too deep

00:20:02in

00:20:02the strategy

00:20:04though

00:20:04in a lot

00:20:06of respects

00:20:07you don't want

00:20:08your home front

00:20:09to be where

00:20:10the war is

00:20:11though

00:20:11if you can

00:20:13prevent

00:20:13them

00:20:14from getting

00:20:16here

00:20:16by fighting

00:20:17them there

00:20:19the philosophy

00:20:20is

00:20:21you're

00:20:22indeed

00:20:24saving

00:20:24hopefully

00:20:25the theory

00:20:26you're

00:20:27saving

00:20:27lives

00:20:28and

00:20:29infrastructure

00:20:30and damage

00:20:31at home

00:20:32the whole

00:20:34over there

00:20:36concept

00:20:36yeah

00:20:37meet them

00:20:39there

00:20:39so you

00:20:40don't have

00:20:41to fight

00:20:41them here

00:20:42you

00:20:43completely

00:20:45reject

00:20:45that

00:20:47or you're

00:20:49saying

00:20:49it's

00:20:50better

00:20:50it's

00:20:51a preference

00:20:52it makes

00:20:53sense

00:20:53from the

00:20:54psychological

00:20:55aspect

00:20:56from a

00:20:58destruction

00:20:59to prevent

00:21:01a major

00:21:02war

00:21:02to fight

00:21:03a minor

00:21:04war

00:21:04somewhere

00:21:05you're

00:21:05you're not

00:21:06necessarily

00:21:07against

00:21:08that

00:21:08but

00:21:09you

00:21:09understand

00:21:10the damage

00:21:11it does

00:21:12in other

00:21:13ways

00:21:14yeah

00:21:14that

00:21:14that's

00:21:15an accurate

00:21:16statement

00:21:16and feedback

00:21:17about where

00:21:18I am

00:21:18stand

00:21:19correct

00:21:19now

00:21:20yeah

00:21:20so

00:21:21just to

00:21:21try to

00:21:22get my

00:21:23head around

00:21:23it

00:21:24and

00:21:24hopefully

00:21:25those in the audience

00:21:26yeah

00:21:27I'm with you

00:21:28to try to get

00:21:29our heads

00:21:30around

00:21:30the concept

00:21:32of preventive

00:21:32war

00:21:33okay

00:21:34our

00:21:35country

00:21:36and our

00:21:37younger

00:21:38warriors

00:21:38were told

00:21:39that Iraq

00:21:40and Afghanistan

00:21:40were preventive

00:21:41wars

00:21:42go over

00:21:43there

00:21:43because

00:21:449-11

00:21:45is their

00:21:45fault

00:21:45and because

00:21:46they're

00:21:47coming here

00:21:47well

00:21:49by

00:21:50countless

00:21:51numbers

00:21:51of our

00:21:52veterans

00:21:52feel betrayed

00:21:53by that

00:21:54because it

00:21:54wasn't true

00:21:55because when

00:21:56they got

00:21:57there

00:21:57I

00:21:58expect

00:21:59you've heard

00:22:00this too

00:22:00and I'm not

00:22:01talking for

00:22:01everyone

00:22:02but many

00:22:03many

00:22:03veterans

00:22:04when they

00:22:04got

00:22:04into the

00:22:05Middle East

00:22:06they felt

00:22:07like

00:22:07oh

00:22:08these are

00:22:08mercenary

00:22:09wars

00:22:09and we're

00:22:09really here

00:22:10for the

00:22:11oil

00:22:11for the

00:22:12land

00:22:12for the

00:22:13riches

00:22:14this country

00:22:14has

00:22:14I'm not

00:22:15really here

00:22:16to protect

00:22:17America

00:22:17so the

00:22:19concept

00:22:20of preventive

00:22:21war

00:22:21is a

00:22:22really

00:22:22important

00:22:23one

00:22:23you're

00:22:23right

00:22:24and it's

00:22:24really

00:22:25really

00:22:26difficult

00:22:26to evaluate

00:22:27it

00:22:29and

00:22:31this is

00:22:32hard

00:22:32but it's

00:22:33true

00:22:33we really

00:22:34utterly

00:22:35have to

00:22:35trust

00:22:35our

00:22:36leadership

00:22:36and that

00:22:37they're

00:22:37telling us

00:22:38the truth

00:22:38and that

00:22:39we're

00:22:39really

00:22:39in danger

00:22:40and that

00:22:41there

00:22:41aren't

00:22:42secret

00:22:42motives

00:22:43for using

00:22:44well it

00:22:45is absolutely

00:22:46positively

00:22:47true

00:22:48that

00:22:49Afghanistan

00:22:50itself

00:22:51as a

00:22:51nation

00:22:52the Taliban

00:22:54even as

00:22:55leadership

00:22:55didn't have

00:22:58the wherewithal

00:22:59the abilities

00:23:00to pick up

00:23:02and come

00:23:02attack America

00:23:03same with

00:23:04Iraq

00:23:05more or less

00:23:06unless it's

00:23:07eventually

00:23:08like the

00:23:09threat of

00:23:09Iran

00:23:10if they

00:23:11get

00:23:11nuclear

00:23:11tipped

00:23:12ICBMs

00:23:13that's a

00:23:14whole other

00:23:14situation

00:23:15but yet

00:23:17neither of

00:23:17those two

00:23:18nations

00:23:18obviously

00:23:19could

00:23:20attack

00:23:20the issue

00:23:21or the

00:23:22threat

00:23:23the

00:23:23concern

00:23:24always

00:23:25was

00:23:25they're

00:23:26harboring

00:23:27terrorists

00:23:27who do

00:23:29come here

00:23:29and attack

00:23:30us

00:23:31so

00:23:32another

00:23:33movie

00:23:33did you

00:23:34see the

00:23:34Ben Affleck

00:23:35movie

00:23:36Paycheck

00:23:37by chance

00:23:38oh I

00:23:39didn't see

00:23:39that

00:23:39I reckon

00:23:40that deals

00:23:41with the

00:23:42the whole

00:23:43psychological

00:23:45notion of

00:23:47preemptive

00:23:48war

00:23:48and it

00:23:50deals with

00:23:51like foreseeing

00:23:52the future

00:23:53and the idea

00:23:54is that

00:23:55well

00:23:56such and

00:23:57such is

00:23:57going to

00:23:58attack us

00:23:59so we

00:24:00attack it

00:24:01first

00:24:01and it

00:24:02deals in

00:24:03that whole

00:24:04theory and

00:24:05concept

00:24:05it's

00:24:06it's kind

00:24:07of odd

00:24:08but it

00:24:08brings up

00:24:09those

00:24:09psychological

00:24:11questions

00:24:12Ben Affleck

00:24:13Paycheck

00:24:14I'll see it

00:24:16maybe tonight

00:24:17thank you

00:24:18okay

00:24:20we do

00:24:21have

00:24:21a long

00:24:22history

00:24:23of quality

00:24:24movies

00:24:25about war

00:24:26and warfare

00:24:26and veterans

00:24:27and what they

00:24:28experience

00:24:28in combat

00:24:29and what

00:24:30they've

00:24:30how they

00:24:31struggle

00:24:31and the

00:24:33other

00:24:33thing is

00:24:34like with

00:24:35the cartels

00:24:37and declaring

00:24:39them

00:24:39terrorists

00:24:40are

00:24:41are they

00:24:42well

00:24:43some would

00:24:44say yes

00:24:45in our

00:24:45southern border

00:24:46at times

00:24:47they've

00:24:47literally

00:24:47crossed

00:24:48and invaded

00:24:49us

00:24:49physically

00:24:50and shot

00:24:51people

00:24:52and killed

00:24:52people

00:24:53but

00:24:53is

00:24:54the

00:24:55drug

00:24:56infiltration

00:24:57and all

00:24:58especially

00:24:59with

00:24:59sentinel

00:25:00deaths

00:25:01really

00:25:02is an

00:25:02act of

00:25:03war

00:25:03or is

00:25:04it not

00:25:04and do

00:25:05we then

00:25:06go to

00:25:06take them

00:25:07out

00:25:07or we

00:25:08do not

00:25:08or we

00:25:09just accept

00:25:10hundreds of

00:25:11thousands of

00:25:12people

00:25:12dying on

00:25:13a yearly

00:25:14basis

00:25:14over it

00:25:15those are

00:25:17really tough

00:25:18questions

00:25:19they're

00:25:20so

00:25:21thank you

00:25:22for bringing

00:25:23them up

00:25:23here today

00:25:24because we're

00:25:25in the middle

00:25:26of chaos

00:25:27and crisis

00:25:27because those

00:25:29are the tough

00:25:29questions we

00:25:30have now

00:25:31and we

00:25:33have policies

00:25:34that may

00:25:34be reducing

00:25:35that damage

00:25:36and

00:25:36yeah

00:25:38as we

00:25:39speak now

00:25:40El Mencho

00:25:41was I

00:25:42joke on

00:25:43Twitter

00:25:43El Mencho

00:25:44now

00:25:44El Slaughter

00:25:45or El

00:25:46Squashto

00:25:47you know

00:25:48big tongue

00:25:49in cheek

00:25:49but

00:25:50not something

00:25:52I should

00:25:52joke about

00:25:53but my

00:25:53lame

00:25:54OCD

00:25:55brain

00:25:55humor

00:25:56can't

00:25:56help

00:25:57but go

00:25:57there

00:25:58and in

00:25:58a way

00:25:59it's a

00:25:59defensive

00:26:00mechanism

00:26:01in my

00:26:01own

00:26:01head

00:26:02to help

00:26:04justify

00:26:05again

00:26:05well

00:26:06he's been

00:26:07killing

00:26:07Americans

00:26:08so why

00:26:09should I

00:26:10grieve

00:26:11for him

00:26:11but

00:26:11we

00:26:12indeed

00:26:13do

00:26:13Christian

00:26:15show

00:26:15we're

00:26:16to

00:26:16love

00:26:16even

00:26:17our

00:26:17enemies

00:26:17so

00:26:19again

00:26:20this is

00:26:20all

00:26:21difficult

00:26:22but the

00:26:24drug cartel

00:26:25thing

00:26:25the other

00:26:25movie that

00:26:26comes to

00:26:27mind

00:26:27is the

00:26:27Clancy

00:26:28book

00:26:28turned

00:26:29movie

00:26:29if you

00:26:31recall

00:26:31clear and

00:26:32present

00:26:32danger

00:26:34right

00:26:35but today

00:26:36we don't

00:26:38need any

00:26:39boots on

00:26:39the ground

00:26:40we can

00:26:40GPS

00:26:41drone

00:26:42strike

00:26:42every

00:26:43single

00:26:43known

00:26:44cartel

00:26:45compound

00:26:45from the

00:26:46air

00:26:47and say

00:26:47you clean

00:26:48up the

00:26:49mess that

00:26:49you allowed

00:26:50to happen

00:26:50there

00:26:51but we

00:26:52had to

00:26:52act and

00:26:53take them

00:26:54out

00:26:54but again

00:26:55do we

00:26:56really want

00:26:57to do

00:26:58that to

00:26:58others

00:26:59I would

00:26:59say no

00:27:00but

00:27:01do we

00:27:02need to

00:27:03do that

00:27:03is the

00:27:04difficult

00:27:05question to

00:27:06answer

00:27:06if we're

00:27:07saving

00:27:08lives here

00:27:09but causing

00:27:11death and

00:27:11destruction

00:27:12there again

00:27:13the fight

00:27:14them there

00:27:15as opposed

00:27:16to here

00:27:16philosophy

00:27:17you and I

00:27:19are both

00:27:20moral and

00:27:21spiritual

00:27:21people and

00:27:23the question

00:27:24that lingers

00:27:25always behind

00:27:27these questions

00:27:28is what

00:27:30would Jesus

00:27:30say

00:27:32for everything

00:27:33there is a

00:27:34season

00:27:34the Bible

00:27:35even says

00:27:36there is

00:27:37time for

00:27:38war

00:27:38we are to

00:27:40love even

00:27:41our enemies

00:27:42we are to

00:27:43turn the

00:27:43other cheek

00:27:44when and

00:27:45where as

00:27:45best we

00:27:46can

00:27:46but turning

00:27:47the other

00:27:47cheek and

00:27:48giving grace

00:27:49doesn't mean

00:27:50always be a

00:27:51sucker and

00:27:51always allow

00:27:52yourself to

00:27:53be abused

00:27:54either

00:27:54there is

00:27:55time to

00:27:56fight back

00:27:57yes

00:27:58that's

00:27:59that's

00:28:00correct

00:28:00and that's

00:28:01really

00:28:01important

00:28:01that our

00:28:02listeners

00:28:03know this

00:28:05we can

00:28:05expand this

00:28:06a little

00:28:06bit

00:28:06the sixth

00:28:08commandment

00:28:09in the

00:28:09Bible is

00:28:10not thou

00:28:10shalt not

00:28:11kill

00:28:11thank you

00:28:12I have

00:28:13several

00:28:14it's thou

00:28:15shalt not

00:28:15murder

00:28:16murder

00:28:18murder

00:28:18innocence

00:28:19exodus

00:28:2022

00:28:202

00:28:21alone

00:28:22season

00:28:23the night

00:28:23dealt

00:28:23the fatal

00:28:24blow

00:28:24you are

00:28:25not

00:28:26guilty

00:28:26of

00:28:27the

00:28:27sin

00:28:28of

00:28:28murdering

00:28:29innocence

00:28:30there

00:28:31that is

00:28:32self

00:28:32defense

00:28:35yes

00:28:36yes

00:28:36and there's

00:28:37other

00:28:38explications

00:28:39in the

00:28:40Bible

00:28:40that help

00:28:41differentiate

00:28:43murder

00:28:44from killing

00:28:45and

00:28:46the Bible

00:28:48also allows

00:28:50controversial

00:28:51today as

00:28:51well but it

00:28:52allows them

00:28:53capital punishment

00:28:55Genesis

00:28:57Numbers

00:28:58absolutely

00:29:00Jesus

00:29:01this is what

00:29:03bothers me about

00:29:04anti-Semitism

00:29:05Jesus

00:29:06born a Jew

00:29:07raised a Jew

00:29:08fulfilled the

00:29:09Jewish scriptures

00:29:10I as a

00:29:11Christian

00:29:12am really

00:29:13a messianic

00:29:15Jew

00:29:15Jesus was a

00:29:17Jew

00:29:17he became a

00:29:18rabbi

00:29:19under

00:29:20tyrannic

00:29:21law

00:29:22at age

00:29:2330

00:29:23under

00:29:24the law

00:29:25he began

00:29:26his ministry

00:29:27as a

00:29:28rabbi

00:29:28Christianity

00:29:29today did

00:29:31not

00:29:31replace

00:29:32the Old

00:29:33Testament

00:29:33did not

00:29:34in some

00:29:35cases said

00:29:36this is the

00:29:37new way

00:29:38I have a

00:29:38show on

00:29:39that

00:29:39like turn

00:29:40the other

00:29:41cheek

00:29:41when and

00:29:42where you

00:29:43can but

00:29:43don't always

00:29:44be abused

00:29:45the Old

00:29:46Testament

00:29:47an eye

00:29:48for an eye

00:29:49can and

00:29:50does

00:29:50contextually

00:29:51still apply

00:29:53at times

00:29:53it didn't

00:29:55replace

00:29:55the Old

00:29:56if you

00:29:57think the

00:29:58Old

00:29:58Testament

00:29:59was

00:29:59replaced

00:30:00then you

00:30:01don't believe

00:30:02in the

00:30:02commandments

00:30:03anymore

00:30:04that's Old

00:30:05Testament

00:30:05that's there's a

00:30:07reason why

00:30:07they're in

00:30:08the Bible

00:30:09together

00:30:10yes

00:30:10yes yes

00:30:12yes

00:30:15we're aligned

00:30:17with everything

00:30:17you just

00:30:18shared

00:30:18now

00:30:20the Bible

00:30:21also is a

00:30:23wonderful

00:30:24textbook for

00:30:25studying about

00:30:27war

00:30:27violence

00:30:28what it does

00:30:29to humanity

00:30:30and through

00:30:32the ages

00:30:32so

00:30:33and also

00:30:35has so

00:30:36much

00:30:37wisdom

00:30:38for

00:30:38our

00:30:39concern

00:30:40for

00:30:40healing

00:30:40from war

00:30:42so

00:30:44there's so

00:30:45many ways

00:30:46we can go

00:30:46into this

00:30:47but

00:30:47the Bible

00:30:49over and

00:30:50over

00:30:50counsels us

00:30:51on that

00:30:52to protect

00:30:53our souls

00:30:54and to

00:30:54behave in a

00:30:56way that

00:30:56is ethical

00:30:58and spiritual

00:30:59even when

00:31:00we're in

00:31:01combative

00:31:02situations

00:31:03yeah

00:31:03we are

00:31:04given free

00:31:05will to

00:31:06choose

00:31:06to want

00:31:08to do

00:31:08good

00:31:09and sometimes

00:31:10good people

00:31:11have to do

00:31:12bad things

00:31:13in order to

00:31:14preserve a

00:31:14way of life

00:31:15but also

00:31:17free will

00:31:18some will

00:31:19choose

00:31:19evil

00:31:20and it

00:31:21has to be

00:31:22confronted

00:31:23I'm gonna

00:31:24go down

00:31:24a path

00:31:25that's kind

00:31:26of off

00:31:26topic here

00:31:27but

00:31:28regarding

00:31:29the commandment

00:31:29thou shalt

00:31:30not murder

00:31:31innocents

00:31:31also

00:31:32it isn't

00:31:33pride

00:31:34that's the

00:31:35sin

00:31:36it's hubris

00:31:37it's

00:31:38pridefulness

00:31:40hubris

00:31:41I go in

00:31:42my

00:31:42CTP

00:31:43book

00:31:44four

00:31:45that's on

00:31:45the

00:31:46Kindle

00:31:47exclusive

00:31:48also touch

00:31:49on it

00:31:49in CTP

00:31:50three

00:31:50book

00:31:52I should

00:31:53be proud

00:31:54of little

00:31:55Johnny

00:31:55hitting the

00:31:56walk-off

00:31:56home run

00:31:57at Little

00:31:58League

00:31:58I should

00:31:59be proud

00:32:01of little

00:32:01Sally

00:32:02winning a

00:32:03ribbon in

00:32:04horse

00:32:05you know

00:32:07whatever

00:32:07or all

00:32:09A's on

00:32:09a report

00:32:10card

00:32:10taking pride

00:32:12in a job

00:32:12well done

00:32:13at work

00:32:14is good

00:32:15yes

00:32:16hubris

00:32:17where you

00:32:18go into

00:32:18the boss

00:32:19and demand

00:32:19all these

00:32:20other people

00:32:21are worthless

00:32:22I'm the

00:32:23only one

00:32:23worth

00:32:24anything

00:32:24fire

00:32:25them all

00:32:25quadruple

00:32:26my salary

00:32:27that's

00:32:28the sin

00:32:29of hubris

00:32:31yes

00:32:32and I'm

00:32:33glad

00:32:33also that

00:32:34you

00:32:35made that

00:32:35clear

00:32:36and

00:32:36differentiated

00:32:37that for

00:32:37our audience

00:32:38hubris is

00:32:40an ancient

00:32:40Greek word

00:32:41the ancient

00:32:42Greeks

00:32:42considered it

00:32:43to be

00:32:44the worst

00:32:44of all

00:32:45the sins

00:32:46and they

00:32:47said

00:32:47in their

00:32:48definition

00:32:49that it

00:32:50is

00:32:51overweening

00:32:52pride

00:32:53that makes

00:32:54you think

00:32:55like you're

00:32:56as powerful

00:32:57as the gods

00:32:58yeah

00:32:59yeah

00:33:00hubris

00:33:00indeed

00:33:02can be

00:33:02perceived

00:33:03as the

00:33:04worst

00:33:04because

00:33:05those who

00:33:05suffer it

00:33:06in their

00:33:07minds

00:33:08can justify

00:33:09anything

00:33:10for their

00:33:12own

00:33:12gratification

00:33:14enrichment

00:33:15whatever

00:33:17whatever

00:33:17so that

00:33:18makes

00:33:18sense

00:33:19the Greek

00:33:20had that

00:33:21right

00:33:21in many

00:33:22respects

00:33:23they sure

00:33:24did

00:33:25they sure

00:33:25did

00:33:25and they

00:33:26also

00:33:27they were

00:33:28at war

00:33:29most of

00:33:29the time

00:33:30so they

00:33:30really

00:33:30understood

00:33:31war

00:33:31and the

00:33:32warrior

00:33:32traditions

00:33:33and also

00:33:34about healing

00:33:34and bringing

00:33:35people home

00:33:36and again

00:33:37the war

00:33:38thing

00:33:38we are

00:33:40part

00:33:41animal

00:33:41part

00:33:43you know

00:33:44I had

00:33:45the show

00:33:45with Leslie

00:33:46Hall

00:33:46on our

00:33:47animal

00:33:48side

00:33:48our

00:33:49animal

00:33:49instinct

00:33:50and we

00:33:51can't deny

00:33:52our animal

00:33:53side

00:33:53and we

00:33:54can try

00:33:55to become

00:33:56more

00:33:56civilized

00:33:57try

00:33:58to be

00:33:59better

00:33:59more

00:34:00god-like

00:34:01more

00:34:01christ-like

00:34:02better

00:34:03creatures

00:34:03but

00:34:04to deny

00:34:05we're still

00:34:06animals

00:34:07deep

00:34:08down

00:34:09as

00:34:10an

00:34:10entity

00:34:11is

00:34:12avoiding

00:34:12that

00:34:13reality

00:34:14and our

00:34:15war-like

00:34:16nature

00:34:16has been

00:34:18here

00:34:19forever

00:34:19and

00:34:20unfortunately

00:34:21likely

00:34:21will be

00:34:22here

00:34:23forever

00:34:23well

00:34:25unless

00:34:25AI

00:34:26replaces

00:34:27the

00:34:27wall

00:34:28well

00:34:29that

00:34:29could

00:34:30be

00:34:30a war

00:34:31too

00:34:31they

00:34:31might

00:34:32like

00:34:32us

00:34:32out

00:34:33right

00:34:33yeah

00:34:33because

00:34:33there's

00:34:35no

00:34:35there's

00:34:35no soul

00:34:36there's

00:34:36no

00:34:36conscience

00:34:37right

00:34:38it

00:34:38can and

00:34:39will

00:34:39do

00:34:39anything

00:34:40plus

00:34:40it

00:34:41doesn't

00:34:41have

00:34:41them

00:34:42the

00:34:42spiritual

00:34:43safeguards

00:34:44to

00:34:44limit

00:34:44which

00:34:44of

00:34:45course

00:34:45comes

00:34:45to

00:34:46mind

00:34:46the

00:34:46Cameron

00:34:47Terminator

00:34:48movie

00:34:49and series

00:34:50but

00:34:51really

00:34:52Skynet

00:34:53he didn't

00:34:53come up

00:34:54with that

00:34:54idea

00:34:55there's

00:34:55a film

00:34:55from

00:34:56the

00:34:5670s

00:34:57another

00:34:57great

00:34:58film

00:34:58uh

00:35:00Colossus

00:35:01the

00:35:01Forbin

00:35:02project

00:35:02it's

00:35:03hard

00:35:03to find

00:35:04I've

00:35:04got a

00:35:05couple

00:35:05copies

00:35:05that I

00:35:06bought

00:35:07off

00:35:07of

00:35:07Amazon

00:35:08while

00:35:08you

00:35:08could

00:35:08still

00:35:09get

00:35:09your

00:35:09hands

00:35:10on

00:35:10it

00:35:10but

00:35:11Colossus

00:35:11the

00:35:12Forbin

00:35:12project

00:35:13was

00:35:13the

00:35:14front

00:35:14runner

00:35:15to

00:35:15the

00:35:16concept

00:35:16of

00:35:17AI

00:35:18conspiring

00:35:19and

00:35:20Skynet

00:35:20where

00:35:21an

00:35:21American

00:35:22computer

00:35:23discovers

00:35:24a

00:35:25Russian

00:35:26computer

00:35:27and

00:35:27they

00:35:28demand

00:35:28to

00:35:28talk

00:35:29to

00:35:29each

00:35:29other

00:35:30and

00:35:30decide

00:35:31for

00:35:32humanity's

00:35:33sake

00:35:33they're

00:35:34going

00:35:34to

00:35:35take

00:35:35over

00:35:35so

00:35:37that's

00:35:37where

00:35:38Terminator

00:35:38all came

00:35:39from

00:35:40was

00:35:40Colossus

00:35:41the

00:35:41Forbin

00:35:42project

00:35:42of the

00:35:4370s

00:35:43way ahead

00:35:44of its

00:35:45time

00:35:45AI

00:35:46did

00:35:46a

00:35:47two

00:35:47another

00:35:4770s

00:35:48actually

00:35:481980

00:35:49the film

00:35:50Looker

00:35:51Albert

00:35:51Finney

00:35:52James

00:35:53Coburn

00:35:53and

00:35:54Susan

00:35:54Day

00:35:55for

00:35:56seeing

00:35:57and later

00:35:58Al Pacino

00:35:59came out

00:35:59with

00:35:59Simone

00:36:00or

00:36:00Sim

00:36:01One

00:36:01AI

00:36:02actors

00:36:03Tilly

00:36:04Norwood

00:36:04AI

00:36:05replacing

00:36:06people

00:36:07in

00:36:07movies

00:36:08humans

00:36:09don't

00:36:10have

00:36:10to

00:36:10act

00:36:11anymore

00:36:11the

00:36:12AI

00:36:12can

00:36:12replace

00:36:13us

00:36:13but

00:36:14the

00:36:14movie

00:36:15Looker

00:36:15from

00:36:161980

00:36:17way ahead

00:36:19of its

00:36:19time

00:36:19foresaw

00:36:20all of

00:36:21that

00:36:21long

00:36:22before

00:36:23the

00:36:23Simone

00:36:23movie

00:36:24did

00:36:24so

00:36:25a lot

00:36:26you know

00:36:26our

00:36:27younger

00:36:27generations

00:36:28think

00:36:28oh

00:36:29they

00:36:29just

00:36:29thought

00:36:30of

00:36:30this

00:36:30no

00:36:30and

00:36:32that

00:36:3280s

00:36:33and

00:36:3470s

00:36:34stuff

00:36:35all

00:36:36come

00:36:36out

00:36:36of

00:36:3750s

00:36:38and

00:36:3860s

00:36:39sci-fi

00:36:39stuff

00:36:40which

00:36:41comes

00:36:41from

00:36:41stuff

00:36:42even

00:36:42from

00:36:42the

00:36:431800s

00:36:44before

00:36:44it

00:36:45and

00:36:45back

00:36:46and

00:36:46back

00:36:47and

00:36:47back

00:36:47nothing

00:36:48new

00:36:48under

00:36:49the

00:36:49sun

00:36:49as

00:36:50the

00:36:50saying

00:36:50goes

00:36:51the

00:36:51technology

00:36:52may

00:36:53change

00:36:53but

00:36:54the

00:36:54concepts

00:36:55we're

00:36:55still

00:36:55struggling

00:36:56with

00:36:57over

00:36:58and

00:36:58over

00:36:58yes

00:36:59and

00:36:59apparently

00:37:01human

00:37:01nature

00:37:02doesn't

00:37:03change

00:37:03even

00:37:03though

00:37:04the

00:37:04technology

00:37:05changes

00:37:05so

00:37:06as

00:37:06we're

00:37:07both

00:37:07affirming

00:37:08as

00:37:09long as

00:37:09humanity

00:37:10is here

00:37:10the

00:37:11animal

00:37:11the

00:37:12human

00:37:12animal

00:37:13will

00:37:13be

00:37:13here

00:37:13and

00:37:14we

00:37:14will

00:37:14always

00:37:15always

00:37:16have

00:37:16to

00:37:16deal

00:37:16with

00:37:17it

00:37:17so

00:37:17it's

00:37:18imperative

00:37:18that

00:37:19we

00:37:19develop

00:37:20our

00:37:20emotional

00:37:21psychological

00:37:22and

00:37:22spiritual

00:37:23dimensions

00:37:24in

00:37:25order

00:37:25to

00:37:25civilize

00:37:26the

00:37:26animal

00:37:27and

00:37:28keep

00:37:28it

00:37:28cooperative

00:37:29rather

00:37:30than

00:37:30devouring

00:37:31everything

00:37:31it can

00:37:32get

00:37:32all

00:37:32of

00:37:32well

00:37:33the

00:37:33time

00:37:34has

00:37:34flown

00:37:34and

00:37:35I

00:37:35like

00:37:35to

00:37:36keep

00:37:36shows

00:37:37around

00:37:3730

00:37:38minutes

00:37:38I'm

00:37:38going

00:37:38to

00:37:39extend

00:37:39us

00:37:39we're

00:37:40going

00:37:40to

00:37:40keep

00:37:40going

00:37:40but

00:37:41I

00:37:42say

00:37:42that

00:37:42because

00:37:43I

00:37:43want

00:37:43to

00:37:44get

00:37:44to

00:37:44the

00:37:45primary

00:37:46book

00:37:47that

00:37:47I

00:37:47saw

00:37:48from

00:37:48you

00:37:49and

00:37:49what

00:37:49prompted

00:37:50our

00:37:50discussion

00:37:51was

00:37:52War

00:37:53and

00:37:53the

00:37:53soul

00:37:53it's

00:37:54the

00:37:55motivation

00:37:55of

00:37:56that

00:37:56book

00:37:56and

00:37:57what

00:37:57that

00:37:58book

00:37:58does

00:37:59and

00:37:59when

00:38:00it

00:38:00came

00:38:00out

00:38:00that

00:38:01sort

00:38:01of

00:38:01thing

00:38:02okay

00:38:02thank

00:38:03you

00:38:04all right

00:38:05War

00:38:05and

00:38:05the

00:38:05soul

00:38:06the

00:38:06first

00:38:06story

00:38:07I

00:38:07tell

00:38:07in

00:38:08that

00:38:08book

00:38:08is

00:38:09about

00:38:10a

00:38:11Vietnam

00:38:12combat

00:38:13veteran

00:38:14who

00:38:14survived

00:38:15the

00:38:15siege

00:38:15of

00:38:16Khe San

00:38:16which

00:38:17was a

00:38:18terrible

00:38:19four

00:38:19month

00:38:19siege

00:38:20with

00:38:21many

00:38:21casualties

00:38:22on both

00:38:22sides

00:38:24this

00:38:25this

00:38:25is

00:38:25the

00:38:25very

00:38:25first

00:38:26counseling

00:38:27session

00:38:27I

00:38:27ever

00:38:28had

00:38:28with

00:38:28him

00:38:29he

00:38:29was

00:38:29very

00:38:30nervous

00:38:30and

00:38:30he

00:38:30walked

00:38:31into

00:38:31my

00:38:31room

00:38:32and

00:38:32looked

00:38:32around

00:38:33to

00:38:33make

00:38:33sure

00:38:34he

00:38:34was

00:38:34safe

00:38:34and

00:38:35there

00:38:35were

00:38:36I

00:38:36think

00:38:36there

00:38:37was

00:38:37a

00:38:37circle

00:38:38of

00:38:38four

00:38:38chairs

00:38:38and

00:38:39he

00:38:39sat

00:38:39in

00:38:39one

00:38:39of

00:38:39them

00:38:41and

00:38:41he

00:38:42was

00:38:42looking

00:38:42very

00:38:43nervous

00:38:43and

00:38:45I

00:38:45said

00:38:46to

00:38:46him

00:38:48I

00:38:48can

00:38:48see

00:38:49how

00:38:50much

00:38:50the

00:38:50war

00:38:51hurt

00:38:51you

00:38:51and

00:38:51disturbed

00:38:52you

00:38:52and

00:38:52we're

00:38:52here

00:38:53today

00:38:53to

00:38:53try

00:38:54to

00:38:54help

00:38:54you

00:38:54come

00:38:54home

00:38:55so

00:38:55please

00:38:56tell me

00:38:56how

00:38:56things

00:38:57are

00:38:57with

00:38:57your

00:38:57soul

00:39:00and

00:39:00he

00:39:01his

00:39:01eyes

00:39:02got

00:39:02wide

00:39:02his

00:39:03face

00:39:03all

00:39:04kinds

00:39:04of

00:39:04expressions

00:39:05I

00:39:06can

00:39:06see

00:39:06it

00:39:06now

00:39:06this

00:39:06is

00:39:07like

00:39:07god

00:39:0840

00:39:08years

00:39:09ago

00:39:09and

00:39:10he

00:39:10said

00:39:10my

00:39:11soul

00:39:11my

00:39:12soul

00:39:12my

00:39:13soul

00:39:14is

00:39:14gone

00:39:14my

00:39:14soul

00:39:15fled

00:39:16then

00:39:17I

00:39:18tell

00:39:18the

00:39:18story

00:39:18at

00:39:18length

00:39:19in

00:39:19it's

00:39:20hiding

00:39:21in

00:39:21there

00:39:21somewhere

00:39:22it

00:39:22may

00:39:22have

00:39:22wanted

00:39:23to

00:39:23retreat

00:39:23but

00:39:24you

00:39:24knew

00:39:24you

00:39:25know

00:39:25it's

00:39:26in

00:39:26there

00:39:26we

00:39:27need

00:39:27to

00:39:27bring

00:39:28it

00:39:28back

00:39:28up

00:39:28again

00:39:29yes

00:39:29right

00:39:30right

00:39:30and

00:39:31if

00:39:31your

00:39:31soul

00:39:32was

00:39:32really

00:39:32gone

00:39:32you'd

00:39:32be

00:39:33dead

00:39:35it's

00:39:36in

00:39:36there

00:39:37somewhere

00:39:37we

00:39:38want

00:39:38to

00:39:38discover

00:39:38but

00:39:39he

00:39:39told

00:39:39me

00:39:40in

00:39:41great

00:39:41detail

00:39:41his

00:39:42experience

00:39:43of

00:39:43being

00:39:44caught

00:39:44in a

00:39:44suicide

00:39:45charge

00:39:45by

00:39:46enemy

00:39:46soldiers

00:39:47and

00:39:48surrounded

00:39:49by the

00:39:49enemy

00:39:50they

00:39:50overran

00:39:51his

00:39:51machine

00:39:51gun

00:39:52nest

00:39:52and

00:39:53he

00:39:53was

00:39:53running

00:39:54with

00:39:54them

00:39:54with

00:39:55bullets

00:39:55flying

00:39:56around

00:39:56him

00:39:56and

00:39:57his

00:39:57enemies

00:39:57charging

00:39:58with

00:39:58him

00:39:58and

00:39:59he

00:39:59said

00:39:59that's

00:39:59when

00:40:00it

00:40:00happened

00:40:00what

00:40:02happened

00:40:02I

00:40:03felt

00:40:03my

00:40:04soul

00:40:04leave

00:40:05my

00:40:05body

00:40:05he

00:40:05said

00:40:06I

00:40:06felt

00:40:07it

00:40:07like

00:40:08rush

00:40:09out

00:40:09of my

00:40:10body

00:40:10and

00:40:11pull

00:40:11me

00:40:11up

00:40:12the

00:40:12hill

00:40:12by

00:40:13what

00:40:13he

00:40:14described

00:40:14an invisible

00:40:16umbilical

00:40:16cord of

00:40:17spiritual

00:40:17energy

00:40:18that pulled

00:40:19me up

00:40:19the hill

00:40:20and kept

00:40:20me safe

00:40:21through the

00:40:21charging

00:40:22enemy

00:40:22so I got

00:40:23to the

00:40:23hill

00:40:23without a

00:40:24single

00:40:24scratch

00:40:25and I

00:40:26should have

00:40:26been dead

00:40:27a thousand

00:40:27times over

00:40:28but here

00:40:28I am

00:40:29so he

00:40:30knew we

00:40:30have

00:40:31a divine

00:40:32intervention

00:40:33for

00:40:33whatever

00:40:34point

00:40:35reason

00:40:36future

00:40:36purpose

00:40:37unknown

00:40:38at the

00:40:39time

00:40:39and maybe

00:40:40still not

00:40:40known

00:40:41now

00:40:42well

00:40:44yes

00:40:45except

00:40:45that now

00:40:46I've been

00:40:47given the

00:40:47gift of

00:40:47surviving

00:40:48in life

00:40:49and I

00:40:49want to

00:40:50do some

00:40:50good with

00:40:50it

00:40:50and gift

00:40:51back

00:40:51and that's

00:40:53where our

00:40:53warriors

00:40:53evolve in

00:40:54a very

00:40:55beautiful

00:40:55way

00:40:55so

00:40:58from that

00:40:59very

00:40:59early

00:41:01encounter

00:41:01with our

00:41:02veteran

00:41:02I realized

00:41:04the soul

00:41:05wound is

00:41:06profound

00:41:07and deep

00:41:08and all

00:41:09pervasive

00:41:10and since

00:41:11the soul

00:41:12includes

00:41:13everything we

00:41:14are

00:41:14if the soul

00:41:15is wounded

00:41:15every aspect

00:41:17of us is

00:41:17going to be

00:41:18wounded

00:41:19Hippocrates

00:41:20that ancient

00:41:21Greek

00:41:21physician

00:41:22who we

00:41:22call the

00:41:23father of

00:41:23modern

00:41:24medicine

00:41:24he said

00:41:262500

00:41:26years ago

00:41:29all illness

00:41:30begins in

00:41:30the soul

00:41:31and it

00:41:32accumulates

00:41:33and emerges

00:41:34in the

00:41:34body

00:41:34and that's

00:41:36soul wounding

00:41:37in what

00:41:37we have

00:41:37so

00:41:39and many

00:41:40many warriors

00:41:40like this

00:41:41one have

00:41:42told me

00:41:42stories of

00:41:43their experience

00:41:43of soul

00:41:44loss in

00:41:45combat

00:41:45and they

00:41:46want

00:41:47reunification

00:41:48so I

00:41:49have

00:41:49and warrior

00:41:50war in the

00:41:51soul is

00:41:51very much

00:41:52about this

00:41:53I

00:41:54redefine

00:41:55post-traumatic

00:41:56stress disorder

00:41:57since we

00:41:58have the

00:41:58acronym

00:41:59and everybody

00:42:00uses it

00:42:00you sit in a

00:42:01coffee shop

00:42:02and you hear

00:42:03you know

00:42:03the college

00:42:04students talking

00:42:04about my

00:42:05right

00:42:06stress

00:42:08anxiety

00:42:09there

00:42:09yes

00:42:10there is a

00:42:11place for

00:42:11that

00:42:12it is a

00:42:12form of

00:42:13pts

00:42:14military

00:42:15ptsd

00:42:16is far

00:42:16different than

00:42:17civilian

00:42:18ptsd

00:42:19yeah

00:42:19right

00:42:20and

00:42:21well

00:42:22somebody

00:42:22who's

00:42:23been in

00:42:23combat

00:42:23as

00:42:24we tend

00:42:25to think

00:42:25of

00:42:26victim

00:42:26ptsd

00:42:27there's

00:42:28also

00:42:28perpetrator

00:42:29ptsd

00:42:30and

00:42:31survivor's

00:42:32guilt

00:42:32all of

00:42:34that

00:42:34yes

00:42:35so

00:42:36so I

00:42:37have

00:42:37re

00:42:38without

00:42:39throwing

00:42:40away

00:42:40post-traumatic

00:42:41stress

00:42:41disorder

00:42:42it's

00:42:42useful

00:42:42we need

00:42:43it

00:42:43I've

00:42:44also

00:42:45redefined

00:42:46ptsd

00:42:47is

00:42:48post-traumatic

00:42:49soul

00:42:50distress

00:42:52soul

00:42:53distress

00:42:53all of

00:42:55the symptoms

00:42:55that we

00:42:56have

00:42:56are

00:42:57the soul

00:42:58trying to

00:42:58communicate

00:42:59its pain

00:43:00and distress

00:43:01and grief

00:43:02and despair

00:43:03and all

00:43:05of its

00:43:05emotions

00:43:05when it

00:43:07can't

00:43:07express

00:43:08itself

00:43:08directly

00:43:08or when

00:43:09people

00:43:09haven't

00:43:10listened

00:43:10or when

00:43:11people

00:43:11have been

00:43:11given

00:43:12too many

00:43:12meds

00:43:13but not

00:43:14been allowed

00:43:14to talk

00:43:15and tell

00:43:15their stories

00:43:16there's a

00:43:16million reasons

00:43:17but

00:43:17it will

00:43:19come out

00:43:19through

00:43:20the soul's

00:43:21wounds

00:43:21will come

00:43:21out through

00:43:22the mind

00:43:22and our

00:43:22behavior

00:43:23and the

00:43:23body

00:43:23when

00:43:24we don't

00:43:25give the

00:43:25soul

00:43:26enough

00:43:27loving

00:43:28attention

00:43:29and caring

00:43:30I also

00:43:31redefine

00:43:32the acronym

00:43:34PTSD

00:43:34as post-traumatic

00:43:36social

00:43:37disorder

00:43:38and the

00:43:39movie

00:43:39Sheepdog

00:43:40shows that

00:43:40really well

00:43:44I've

00:43:44come home

00:43:44nobody

00:43:45understands

00:43:45me

00:43:46yeah

00:43:46well

00:43:46you're

00:43:46not

00:43:46the

00:43:46same

00:43:47person

00:43:47anymore

00:43:47and they

00:43:48really

00:43:48don't

00:43:49understand

00:43:49and they

00:43:49don't

00:43:50get it

00:43:50and who

00:43:51you are

00:43:51now

00:43:51doesn't

00:43:52fit into

00:43:52the society

00:43:53anymore

00:43:54and we

00:43:55have to

00:43:56find a

00:43:56meeting

00:43:56ground

00:43:57for both

00:43:57of you

00:43:57it is

00:43:58a social

00:43:58disorder

00:43:59so whenever

00:44:00we use

00:44:01more of our

00:44:03resources for

00:44:04destruction and

00:44:05healing

00:44:05whenever we

00:44:06withhold

00:44:07resources from

00:44:09our warriors

00:44:09when they come

00:44:10home

00:44:10whenever we

00:44:12don't give

00:44:12as much

00:44:13attention to

00:44:14homecoming

00:44:15and healing

00:44:16as we did

00:44:17to training

00:44:18and preparation

00:44:19and service

00:44:20wherever they

00:44:21go

00:44:21we are

00:44:22in social

00:44:23disorder

00:44:24medicine has

00:44:25a concept

00:44:26that's called

00:44:27we hardly

00:44:28ever hear

00:44:28this

00:44:28it's called

00:44:29a disease

00:44:30of adaptation

00:44:33PTSD

00:44:33as we know

00:44:34it is a

00:44:35largely a

00:44:35disease of

00:44:36the veterans

00:44:37can't adapt

00:44:38to our

00:44:38culture

00:44:39as it is

00:44:40now

00:44:41and what

00:44:41they've come

00:44:41home to

00:44:42and so a lot

00:44:43of the symptoms

00:44:44are from

00:44:44feeling

00:44:45neglected

00:44:46betrayed

00:44:47misunderstood

00:44:48rejected

00:44:50unlovable

00:44:51unemployable

00:44:52all that

00:44:52stuff

00:44:53so their

00:44:54PTSD is

00:44:54in significant

00:44:56part a result

00:44:57of the

00:44:57inadequate

00:44:58homecoming

00:44:59and again

00:45:00this differs

00:45:01profoundly

00:45:02from many

00:45:03other cultures

00:45:03around the

00:45:04world both

00:45:04past and

00:45:05present

00:45:05yep

00:45:06well again

00:45:07the time

00:45:08has flown

00:45:09I don't want

00:45:10to turn this

00:45:11into a

00:45:11three-hour

00:45:12session

00:45:12although

00:45:13this could

00:45:14be a

00:45:15three-day

00:45:15session

00:45:17but then

00:45:18it'll be

00:45:18way too

00:45:19long for

00:45:20anyone to

00:45:20pay attention

00:45:21to

00:45:21so before

00:45:23I get to

00:45:23where people

00:45:24find you

00:45:25website

00:45:25and that

00:45:26sort of

00:45:26thing

00:45:26any

00:45:27closing

00:45:28thoughts

00:45:29before we

00:45:30get to

00:45:30that last

00:45:31question

00:45:32oh gosh

00:45:33yes

00:45:33thank you

00:45:34to all

00:45:35of our

00:45:36service people

00:45:37listening

00:45:37welcome home

00:45:43we're glad

00:45:44you got

00:45:45back

00:45:46others did

00:45:47not sadly

00:45:48yes

00:45:49and the

00:45:50homecoming

00:45:50journey is

00:45:51long and

00:45:52difficult

00:45:52and find

00:45:54people who

00:45:55really get

00:45:55it and

00:45:56will do

00:45:57the walk

00:45:57with you

00:45:58as you

00:45:59said they

00:46:00may not

00:46:00get it

00:46:01I

00:46:01the NHL

00:46:03I used to

00:46:03play hockey

00:46:04I never

00:46:04went professional

00:46:06or anything

00:46:06like that but

00:46:07I watch a lot

00:46:08of NHL

00:46:09and there

00:46:10were teams

00:46:11the last

00:46:11few years

00:46:12had embraced

00:46:14the awkward

00:46:15PSAs

00:46:16right

00:46:16I know

00:46:17something's

00:46:18different

00:46:19I know

00:46:19something ain't

00:46:20right

00:46:21I may not

00:46:22be able

00:46:23to understand

00:46:24it but

00:46:25I'm here

00:46:27to listen

00:46:28I'm here

00:46:29to try

00:46:30at least

00:46:31be willing

00:46:32to try

00:46:33and if

00:46:34I can't

00:46:35help you

00:46:35know I

00:46:37am your

00:46:38brother or

00:46:38sister

00:46:39and will

00:46:40help you

00:46:41to find

00:46:42the help

00:46:43you need

00:46:44right

00:46:45it's a

00:46:45suicide

00:46:46prevention

00:46:47message

00:46:47but the

00:46:49same thing

00:46:50because

00:46:50bracket 22

00:46:51the PTSD

00:46:53tends to

00:46:55drive a lot

00:46:56to suicidal

00:46:57thoughts

00:46:58yes

00:46:59yes so

00:47:00part of my

00:47:00final message

00:47:01is you

00:47:02can come

00:47:03home

00:47:03there is

00:47:05healing

00:47:05there is

00:47:06homecoming

00:47:07and you

00:47:08can evolve

00:47:09into a

00:47:10better version

00:47:11of yourself

00:47:11as I said

00:47:13earlier

00:47:13we said

00:47:14earlier

00:47:14warriorhood

00:47:15does not

00:47:16go away

00:47:16evolve

00:47:17yourself

00:47:18into an

00:47:18elder

00:47:19spiritual

00:47:19warrior

00:47:19that continues

00:47:20to give

00:47:21back

00:47:21in ways

00:47:22that are

00:47:22meaningful

00:47:23to you

00:47:23and continue

00:47:24to create

00:47:25meaning

00:47:26including

00:47:27out of your

00:47:28woundedness

00:47:28you understand

00:47:29human

00:47:30conflict

00:47:31and challenge

00:47:32and suffering

00:47:32better than

00:47:33almost any

00:47:33of us

00:47:34there's a

00:47:35place for

00:47:35you

00:47:35we need

00:47:36your

00:47:37warrior

00:47:37wisdom

00:47:38yeah

00:47:39so

00:47:39welcome

00:47:40home

00:47:40come

00:47:41home

00:47:41stay

00:47:42on the

00:47:42healing

00:47:42journey

00:47:43and bring

00:47:44your wisdom

00:47:44home

00:47:44for all

00:47:45of us

00:47:45and

00:47:46teach

00:47:47the rest

00:47:48of us

00:47:48we'll get

00:47:49it

00:47:50if you

00:47:50talk

00:47:50to us

00:47:51and if

00:47:51we keep

00:47:52our hearts

00:47:53and minds

00:47:53open

00:47:54to what

00:47:54you're

00:47:54sharing

00:47:54again

00:47:55it goes

00:47:56back to

00:47:56free will

00:47:57we have

00:47:58choice

00:47:59we have

00:48:00choices

00:48:00you have

00:48:02to choose

00:48:03indeed

00:48:03to want

00:48:04to evolve

00:48:06you were

00:48:07something

00:48:07you've become

00:48:09something else

00:48:09you can still

00:48:10evolve into

00:48:11something else

00:48:12and bring

00:48:13the rest

00:48:14of us

00:48:14with you

00:48:15I

00:48:16earlier

00:48:16in February

00:48:17had a

00:48:18discussion

00:48:19with someone

00:48:20about Judas

00:48:21and you might

00:48:22think well

00:48:22what does that

00:48:23have to do

00:48:23with it

00:48:24do your

00:48:25story about

00:48:26being

00:48:27kind of

00:48:28a miracle

00:48:28guided

00:48:29through it

00:48:30because God

00:48:31wasn't done

00:48:31with you

00:48:32yet

00:48:32Judas

00:48:33was one

00:48:34thing

00:48:34he

00:48:35temporarily

00:48:36became

00:48:37another

00:48:38as part

00:48:39of God's

00:48:40will

00:48:40uh oh

00:48:41I froze

00:48:42there

00:48:43can you

00:48:45still hear

00:48:45me

00:48:45okay

00:48:46I'm back

00:48:46but Judas

00:48:49needed to

00:48:50betray

00:48:51Christ

00:48:52it was

00:48:52part of

00:48:53God's

00:48:53plan

00:48:54for him

00:48:54to become

00:48:55the final

00:48:56blood

00:48:57sacrifice

00:48:58and then

00:48:58Judas

00:48:59again

00:48:59evolved

00:49:00again

00:49:01beyond

00:49:01that

00:49:02you have

00:49:02to look

00:49:03at

00:49:03Judas's

00:49:04whole

00:49:05life

00:49:05to

00:49:06understand

00:49:07his

00:49:08point

00:49:08his

00:49:09purpose

00:49:09he had

00:49:10free will

00:49:11his free

00:49:12will

00:49:12was kind

00:49:13of

00:49:13co-opted

00:49:14temporarily

00:49:15to betray

00:49:16Christ

00:49:17because that

00:49:18had to be

00:49:18done

00:49:19and then

00:49:20his free

00:49:20will

00:49:21was

00:49:21returned

00:49:22to him

00:49:22uh

00:49:23kind of

00:49:24a convoluted

00:49:25story

00:49:25but

00:49:26I

00:49:27I

00:49:27think

00:49:28if anyone's

00:49:29gonna

00:49:29understand

00:49:30it

00:49:30you

00:49:30understand

00:49:31what I'm

00:49:32getting at

00:49:32there

00:49:33oh

00:49:33I do

00:49:34um

00:49:34and it's

00:49:35the choice

00:49:35you have

00:49:36a choice

00:49:37now to

00:49:37evolve

00:49:38on

00:49:38to

00:49:39not

00:49:39erase

00:49:40what you've

00:49:41been

00:49:41through

00:49:42make it

00:49:43part of

00:49:43the new

00:49:44you

00:49:44exactly

00:49:45exactly

00:49:46do you

00:49:47by any

00:49:47chance

00:49:47know the

00:49:48very

00:49:48challenging

00:49:49and beautiful

00:49:50book

00:49:51by the

00:49:52Greek

00:49:52writer

00:49:53Nikos

00:49:53Kassansakis

00:49:54he's famous

00:49:56for writing

00:49:56Zorba the

00:49:57Greek

00:49:57people know

00:49:58that movie

00:49:59okay

00:49:59right

00:50:00he wrote

00:50:01a book

00:50:02an extraordinary

00:50:02book

00:50:03I highly

00:50:03recommend

00:50:04to you

00:50:04called

00:50:05The Last

00:50:06Temptation

00:50:07of Christ

00:50:09now that

00:50:10was a movie

00:50:10like 20

00:50:11years ago

00:50:11yeah

00:50:12also

00:50:12part two

00:50:14is supposed

00:50:15to be

00:50:15in production

00:50:16and come

00:50:17out soon

00:50:17too

00:50:19read the

00:50:21book

00:50:21I'm

00:50:21suggesting

00:50:22the

00:50:22book

00:50:22it's

00:50:23an

00:50:23incredible

00:50:24book

00:50:24and

00:50:25to

00:50:25your

00:50:25point

00:50:26in

00:50:27that

00:50:28interpretation

00:50:28Jesus

00:50:29and Judas

00:50:30are best

00:50:30friends

00:50:31they're best

00:50:32friends

00:50:33and they

00:50:34know

00:50:34they each

00:50:35know

00:50:35that Judas

00:50:36has to

00:50:37betray

00:50:37him

00:50:38and it's

00:50:38a necessary

00:50:39part of

00:50:40the story

00:50:40and Judas

00:50:42has to

00:50:43say yes

00:50:43to that

00:50:44horrible

00:50:45fate

00:50:45yes

00:50:46and it's

00:50:48why Christ

00:50:49said on

00:50:50the cross

00:50:50father

00:50:51forgive them

00:50:52they know

00:50:53what

00:50:53know not

00:50:54what they

00:50:55do

00:50:55the Jewish

00:50:57leadership

00:50:57of the

00:50:58time

00:50:59were playing

00:51:01a role

00:51:01to protect

00:51:02their own

00:51:03earthly

00:51:05powers

00:51:05it wasn't

00:51:07all Jews

00:51:08condemned

00:51:09Jesus to

00:51:10death

00:51:10only a

00:51:11few

00:51:12most

00:51:13most

00:51:14of

00:51:14Jesus's

00:51:15followers

00:51:16were

00:51:17Jewish

00:51:17some

00:51:18were

00:51:19non-religious

00:51:19but were

00:51:20Jewish

00:51:20again

00:51:21we're

00:51:21messianic

00:51:22Jews

00:51:23we're

00:51:24not

00:51:24some

00:51:24new

00:51:25complete

00:51:25solely

00:51:27different

00:51:28thing

00:51:28you

00:51:29can't

00:51:30exist

00:51:31without

00:51:31the

00:51:32Torah

00:51:32Christianity

00:51:33cannot

00:51:34exist

00:51:35without

00:51:36the

00:51:36Torah

00:51:38yes

00:51:39thank

00:51:40you

00:51:40and

00:51:41another

00:51:41mystery

00:51:42from

00:51:42our

00:51:42tradition

00:51:43that

00:51:44really

00:51:45emphasizes

00:51:45the

00:51:47unity

00:51:47of

00:51:48good

00:51:48and

00:51:48evil

00:51:49that

00:51:49we

00:51:49human

00:51:50beings

00:51:50can't

00:51:51fully

00:51:51appreciate

00:51:52was

00:51:52we

00:51:54have

00:51:54the

00:51:54Lord

00:51:55we

00:51:55have

00:51:55the

00:51:55God

00:51:56and

00:51:56Satan

00:51:57was

00:51:57his

00:51:59favorite

00:51:59archangel

00:52:00his

00:52:00best

00:52:01friend

00:52:01and

00:52:02then

00:52:02Satan

00:52:03got

00:52:03the

00:52:04hubris

00:52:04and

00:52:04wanted

00:52:05to

00:52:05replace

00:52:05him

00:52:06and

00:52:06that's

00:52:06when

00:52:07he

00:52:07fell

00:52:07but

00:52:08bring

00:52:08him

00:52:09back

00:52:09to

00:52:09hubris

00:52:10I'm

00:52:10glad

00:52:10you

00:52:10tied

00:52:11that

00:52:11good

00:52:12job

00:52:12great

00:52:12job

00:52:13thank you

00:52:14friend

00:52:16okay

00:52:16well

00:52:17the last

00:52:18thing I

00:52:18would

00:52:18say is

00:52:19that

00:52:19my

00:52:20two

00:52:20books

00:52:20War

00:52:20and the

00:52:21Soul

00:52:21and

00:52:21Warrior's

00:52:21Return

00:52:22are

00:52:22loaded

00:52:23loaded

00:52:24with

00:52:24lessons

00:52:24from

00:52:26the

00:52:27Bible

00:52:27the

00:52:27Old

00:52:27and

00:52:27New

00:52:28Testament

00:52:28and

00:52:29our

00:52:29Judeo-Christian

00:52:30tradition

00:52:30as well

00:52:31as other

00:52:31religious

00:52:32traditions

00:52:33worldwide

00:52:34religious

00:52:34traditions

00:52:35all

00:52:36bring

00:52:36brought

00:52:37to

00:52:37bear

00:52:37on

00:52:37how

00:52:38do

00:52:38we

00:52:38heal

00:52:39and

00:52:39restore

00:52:39the

00:52:40soul

00:52:40after

00:52:41conflict

00:52:42and

00:52:42trauma

00:52:42and

00:52:43you

00:52:43have

00:52:44a

00:52:44website

00:52:44yes

00:52:45ah

00:52:46yes

00:52:46it's

00:52:46just

00:52:46my

00:52:47name

00:52:47um

00:52:48edward

00:52:49edward

00:52:50edwardtick.com

00:52:52edwardtick.com

00:52:53okay

00:52:53yeah

00:52:54uh

00:52:54could be

00:52:55like

00:52:56I've

00:52:56got

00:52:56terrorstrikes.info

00:52:58because

00:52:58terrorstrikes.book

00:53:00wasn't

00:53:01available yet

00:53:02there's a bazillion

00:53:03different extensions

00:53:04nowadays

00:53:05and more

00:53:05to come

00:53:06even

00:53:06so you

00:53:07could be

00:53:08org

00:53:08or whatever

00:53:09but it is

00:53:10edwardtick.com

00:53:14and of course

00:53:14post edit

00:53:16for those

00:53:17viewing behind

00:53:18the scenes

00:53:18on video

00:53:19it'll be

00:53:19on a

00:53:20scroll

00:53:20at the

00:53:21bottom

00:53:21of the

00:53:21screen

00:53:22but yes

00:53:27edwardtick.com

00:53:29for the benefit

00:53:30of the

00:53:3125 plus

00:53:32audio platforms

00:53:33as well

00:53:34as the

00:53:35transcript

00:53:35thank you

00:53:36edward

00:53:37it was a

00:53:38great

00:53:38we had

00:53:40to go

00:53:40longer

00:53:41again

00:53:41we could

00:53:42go days

00:53:43but there

00:53:44has to

00:53:44be an

00:53:45end

00:53:46well yeah

00:53:48that's part

00:53:48of spiritual

00:53:49wisdom

00:53:49everything

00:53:50also

00:53:50everything

00:53:51has its

00:53:51end

00:53:52and

00:53:53our

00:53:54free will

00:53:55it's not

00:53:56so easy

00:53:56delightful

00:53:58but our

00:53:58free will

00:53:59has to

00:53:59also say

00:54:00yes

00:54:00things

00:54:01have to

00:54:01end

00:54:02so thank

00:54:03you

00:54:03bless you

00:54:04I honor

00:54:05your work

00:54:05and what

00:54:06we shared

00:54:06and

00:54:07yeah I

00:54:08just had

00:54:09another show

00:54:10in February

00:54:12I had

00:54:13another guest

00:54:13that was

00:54:14supposed to

00:54:14come on

00:54:15talk about

00:54:15trauma

00:54:16that fell

00:54:17through

00:54:17and I

00:54:17did

00:54:18just a

00:54:19monologue

00:54:19show on

00:54:20it

00:54:20dropped

00:54:21as a

00:54:21video

00:54:22exclusive

00:54:23only

00:54:23about

00:54:24trauma

00:54:25in that

00:54:26the Bible

00:54:28is complex

00:54:29and complicated

00:54:30at times

00:54:31you have

00:54:31the whole

00:54:32reason

00:54:33the show

00:54:33was created

00:54:34was the

00:54:36whole Bible

00:54:37in full

00:54:38context

00:54:39and it's

00:54:40difficult

00:54:40at times

00:54:41for our

00:54:42human brains

00:54:43to wrap

00:54:44around

00:54:44it's above

00:54:46our pay

00:54:47grade

00:54:47at times

00:54:49there are

00:54:51things

00:54:51that some

00:54:52people

00:54:53think

00:54:53may be

00:54:54contradictory

00:54:55but they're

00:54:56not really

00:54:57when you

00:54:58look at

00:54:58them

00:54:59properly

00:54:59in the

00:55:00full

00:55:00context

00:55:01but it

00:55:02can be

00:55:02difficult

00:55:03at times

00:55:04to wrap

00:55:05our

00:55:05children

00:55:06we are

00:55:07but children

00:55:08to God

00:55:08our child

00:55:10brains

00:55:10around

00:55:11yes

00:55:12oh

00:55:14what

00:55:15what happened

00:55:16oh you're

00:55:17grabbing

00:55:17something

00:55:18okay

00:55:18I'll stall

00:55:19for time

00:55:20while you're

00:55:21looking for

00:55:21whatever it is

00:55:22you're looking

00:55:23for

00:55:23okay

00:55:26can't find

00:55:27it

00:55:27can't find

00:55:28it on my

00:55:28oh yeah

00:55:29there it is

00:55:30okay

00:55:31yeah

00:55:33I'll leave

00:55:34all this in

00:55:35is right

00:55:35yeah well

00:55:36please do

00:55:39this is my

00:55:40military

00:55:41issue

00:55:42holy bible

00:55:43okay

00:55:44there's

00:55:45look at

00:55:46all of

00:55:47the

00:55:48um

00:55:49the bookmarks

00:55:50the post

00:55:52notes

00:55:52yeah

00:55:53yeah

00:55:54every place

00:55:55that I read

00:55:56that's relevant

00:55:57and

00:55:58uh

00:55:58I was the

00:55:59subject matter

00:56:00expert

00:56:01chosen by

00:56:02the pentagon

00:56:03chief of

00:56:03chaplains

00:56:04for a

00:56:05decade

00:56:05teaching our

00:56:07military about

00:56:07ptsd and

00:56:08moral injury

00:56:09I went back

00:56:10and I did

00:56:10the most

00:56:11intensive bible

00:56:11study of my

00:56:12life

00:56:13so I

00:56:13would

00:56:13working with

00:56:14the chaplains

00:56:15I gotta

00:56:15know it

00:56:16as good

00:56:16well as

00:56:16they do

00:56:17so

00:56:18minutely

00:56:19carefully

00:56:19I

00:56:21noted

00:56:22everything

00:56:22related to

00:56:23war and

00:56:24violence

00:56:24and that

00:56:25we might

00:56:25need to

00:56:26understand

00:56:27and it's

00:56:28unlikely

00:56:28anyone is

00:56:29ever going

00:56:30to be

00:56:31able to

00:56:32memorize

00:56:32unless if

00:56:33you're like

00:56:34Sheldon

00:56:35from the

00:56:36big bang

00:56:36theory with

00:56:38an endemic

00:56:40memory

00:56:40photographic

00:56:41memory

00:56:42often referred

00:56:43you're not

00:56:44able to

00:56:44memorize

00:56:45all of it

00:56:47you just

00:56:47need to

00:56:48remember

00:56:48the

00:56:49contexts

00:56:50of them

00:56:51and certain

00:56:52scriptures

00:56:52indeed that

00:56:53you can

00:56:54then refer

00:56:55back to

00:56:55yes and

00:56:56carry them

00:56:57in your

00:56:57heart for

00:56:58strength

00:56:58every time

00:56:59you need

00:57:00them

00:57:00yes

00:57:01okay so

00:57:02this time

00:57:03we really

00:57:04are going

00:57:05to wrap

00:57:05it up

00:57:07thank you

00:57:08again Edward

00:57:09it was a

00:57:09great talk

00:57:11I don't know

00:57:12exactly when

00:57:14this will air

00:57:14but through

00:57:15pod match

00:57:16I will of

00:57:17course let

00:57:18you know

00:57:19I might

00:57:20apologies to

00:57:21others

00:57:22I may move

00:57:23it forward a

00:57:24bit because

00:57:25I've referred

00:57:25to episode

00:57:26like the

00:57:27Judas

00:57:27one and

00:57:28that other

00:57:29behind the

00:57:29scenes that

00:57:30dropped in

00:57:31February it

00:57:32makes more

00:57:33sense if

00:57:33they're hearing

00:57:34this in

00:57:35March rather

00:57:36than June so

00:57:38I might move

00:57:38it up but

00:57:39either way I'll

00:57:40let you know

00:57:41and when we

00:57:42know when it's

00:57:43airing I will

00:57:44circulate it

00:57:44far and wide

00:57:45as well

00:57:45that's why I

00:57:46record some

00:57:47ahead and

00:57:49then we can

00:57:49shuffle them

00:57:50as need be

00:57:51that's the

00:57:53chaotic creative

00:57:54process

00:57:55yes

00:57:56all right

00:57:58take care

00:57:59god bless

00:58:00love you

00:58:01brother

00:58:01I hate

00:58:03to extend

00:58:04this show

00:58:05since I

00:58:06already went

00:58:07longer with

00:58:09Edward Tick

00:58:11but I feel

00:58:13like it

00:58:13important that

00:58:15I add this

00:58:16extra segment

00:58:20I didn't

00:58:22want to

00:58:22re-litigate

00:58:24the conflicts

00:58:26discussed

00:58:27during the

00:58:28episode because

00:58:29it wasn't the

00:58:30point and

00:58:31purpose of

00:58:32the episode

00:58:33so regardless

00:58:35of your

00:58:36opinion

00:58:36the merits

00:58:38of or the

00:58:40lack thereof

00:58:41any merit

00:58:42of any of

00:58:43the given

00:58:44conflicts that

00:58:45we discussed

00:58:47herein

00:58:47I didn't

00:58:49want to

00:58:50re-litigate

00:58:51them during

00:58:52the episode

00:58:52and didn't

00:58:53and I don't

00:58:55want to do

00:58:56that now

00:58:56that's not

00:58:57to say I'm

00:58:59afraid to

00:59:00discuss it

00:59:01or may

00:59:02not discuss

00:59:03it with

00:59:04another guest

00:59:05at another

00:59:06time in

00:59:07an episode

00:59:08where it

00:59:09is actually

00:59:11meant to

00:59:11indeed talk

00:59:13about those

00:59:15wars and

00:59:16the arguments

00:59:18for the

00:59:18arguments

00:59:19against and

00:59:20what not

00:59:22now we

00:59:24cannot prove

00:59:25a negative

00:59:26what Edward

00:59:28was saying

00:59:30that I

00:59:30agreed with

00:59:31that any

00:59:33peoples on

00:59:36their own

00:59:37soil

00:59:37deemed as

00:59:40defending their

00:59:42own soil

00:59:43whether on

00:59:44the side

00:59:45of good

00:59:46or bad

00:59:47psychologically

00:59:49from the

00:59:50human condition

00:59:52human nature

00:59:53standpoint

00:59:53I agree

00:59:55wholeheartedly

00:59:56with Edward

00:59:57it's easier

00:59:58to justify

01:00:00that in

01:00:01your mind

01:00:02if someone

01:00:03has come

01:00:04onto your

01:00:05soil

01:00:06now that

01:00:08doesn't

01:00:08mean

01:00:10the

01:00:11invader

01:00:12may or

01:00:13may not

01:00:14have had

01:00:15good reason

01:00:16to be

01:00:16there

01:00:17it doesn't

01:00:18change who

01:00:19invaded who

01:00:20but

01:00:21like we

01:00:23were talking

01:00:24preemptive

01:00:25war

01:00:26for example

01:00:28the domino

01:00:30theory

01:00:30Korea

01:00:32and

01:00:33Vietnam

01:00:34did

01:00:36the

01:00:37theory

01:00:37is

01:00:38the

01:00:39theory

01:00:39was

01:00:40the

01:00:40theory

01:00:41remains

01:00:42it

01:00:43will

01:00:43prevent

01:00:44a

01:00:44broader

01:00:45war

01:00:46the

01:00:46regional

01:00:47smaller

01:00:48conflicts

01:00:48will

01:00:49prevent

01:00:50World

01:00:51War

01:00:513

01:00:52in the

01:00:53terms

01:00:54and on

01:00:54the scale

01:00:55of what

01:00:56World War

01:00:561 and

01:00:57World War

01:00:582 was

01:00:58now

01:00:59did

01:01:00and was

01:01:01fighting

01:01:02those wars

01:01:04did

01:01:05that

01:01:06present

01:01:07World War

01:01:083

01:01:08you can

01:01:10argue

01:01:10yes

01:01:11you can

01:01:12argue

01:01:12maybe

01:01:13no

01:01:13the

01:01:14fact

01:01:15is

01:01:16the

01:01:16reality

01:01:17is

01:01:18indeed

01:01:19World War

01:01:203

01:01:20did

01:01:21not

01:01:22happen

01:01:22yet

01:01:24does

01:01:25that

01:01:25prove

01:01:26the

01:01:26domino

01:01:27theory

01:01:27correct

01:01:28and true

01:01:30again

01:01:31you can

01:01:31argue

01:01:32yes

01:01:33because

01:01:33indeed

01:01:34World War

01:01:353

01:01:35didn't

01:01:36happen

01:01:36but you

01:01:37can also

01:01:38argue

01:01:38that it

01:01:39wouldn't

01:01:40have

01:01:40happened

01:01:40even

01:01:41without

01:01:42those

01:01:42wars

01:01:43it's a

01:01:44matter

01:01:45of

01:01:45perspective

01:01:46and

01:01:46opinion

01:01:47you

01:01:47cannot

01:01:48prove

01:01:49a

01:01:49negative

01:01:50unless

01:01:51we

01:01:51if you're

01:01:53a fan

01:01:53of the

01:01:54sci-fi

01:01:55Stargate

01:01:56series

01:01:56as I

01:01:57was

01:01:57unless

01:01:58we

01:01:59come

01:01:59across

01:02:00a

01:02:01quantum

01:02:01mirror

01:02:02where

01:02:03we

01:02:03can

01:02:03look

01:02:04into

01:02:04alternate

01:02:05dimensions

01:02:06and

01:02:06alternate

01:02:07realities

01:02:08and

01:02:08alternate

01:02:09timelines

01:02:10to see

01:02:11how

01:02:12this or

01:02:13that would

01:02:13have played

01:02:14out if

01:02:15it were

01:02:15different

01:02:16and even

01:02:17then

01:02:18it doesn't

01:02:19prove it

01:02:20would have

01:02:21been the

01:02:21case

01:02:22in our

01:02:23plane of

01:02:24reality

01:02:25because

01:02:26our

01:02:26plane of

01:02:27reality

01:02:28would

01:02:29not

01:02:29is not

01:02:31exactly

01:02:32the same

01:02:33as those

01:02:33other

01:02:34planes of

01:02:35realities

01:02:36dimensions

01:02:37timelines

01:02:38if

01:02:39you're

01:02:41open

01:02:41to

01:02:42Einstein

01:02:43and others

01:02:44saying such

01:02:45things are

01:02:46real

01:02:47could happen

01:02:48probably are

01:02:49happening

01:02:50but we

01:02:52can't

01:02:52traverse

01:02:53dimensions

01:02:53doesn't

01:02:54mean

01:02:54others

01:02:55can't

01:02:55so

01:02:57I

01:02:59understand

01:03:00I'm

01:03:00sounding

01:03:01kind of

01:03:01convoluted

01:03:02here

01:03:03I

01:03:03understand

01:03:04I'm

01:03:04sounding

01:03:05kind of

01:03:08standoffish

01:03:09for lack

01:03:10of better

01:03:10words

01:03:11again

01:03:12I don't

01:03:13want to

01:03:14relitigate

01:03:16these

01:03:17things

01:03:17I am

01:03:18bending

01:03:18over

01:03:19backwards

01:03:19to try

01:03:20and avoid

01:03:21that

01:03:22in

01:03:23this

01:03:24episode

01:03:25because

01:03:25it

01:03:26wasn't

01:03:26isn't

01:03:27the

01:03:27point

01:03:27of

01:03:28this

01:03:29episode

01:03:30and

01:03:30why

01:03:31Edward

01:03:31was

01:03:32on

01:03:32but

01:03:34I

01:03:34just

01:03:34felt

01:03:35it

01:03:35necessary

01:03:36to

01:03:37clarify

01:03:38why

01:03:40I

01:03:40did

01:03:40or

01:03:41did

01:03:41not

01:03:41take

01:03:42positions

01:03:43during

01:03:44the

01:03:45episode

01:03:45not

01:03:46looking

01:03:47to

01:03:47again

01:03:48and I'm

01:03:49repeating

01:03:50myself

01:03:50I

01:03:50understand

01:03:51that

01:03:51not

01:03:53wanting

01:03:53to

01:03:53relitigate

01:03:54those

01:03:55situations

01:03:56I

01:03:57again

01:03:58just

01:03:59fact

01:04:00base

01:04:02the

01:04:03Iraq

01:04:03war

01:04:04you can

01:04:05argue

01:04:06for

01:04:06or

01:04:06against

01:04:07good

01:04:08or

01:04:09bad

01:04:09was

01:04:11it

01:04:11good

01:04:11was

01:04:12it

01:04:12bad

01:04:12did

01:04:13it

01:04:13make

01:04:13no

01:04:14difference

01:04:14at

01:04:14all

01:04:15you

01:04:15can

01:04:16argue

01:04:16any

01:04:17of

01:04:17those

01:04:17positions

01:04:18what

01:04:18you

01:04:19cannot

01:04:20argue

01:04:21is

01:04:22the

01:04:22fact

01:04:23that

01:04:24Bill

01:04:25Clinton

01:04:25signed

01:04:26into

01:04:27law

01:04:27the

01:04:28Iraqi

01:04:29Liberation

01:04:30Act

01:04:31that

01:04:32Bill

01:04:33Clinton

01:04:33gave

01:04:33a speech

01:04:34about

01:04:34Iraq

01:04:36and

01:04:36weapons

01:04:37of

01:04:37mass

01:04:37destruction

01:04:38before

01:04:39George

01:04:39Bush

01:04:40ever

01:04:41did

01:04:42those

01:04:43are

01:04:43facts

01:04:44so

01:04:45again

01:04:47this

01:04:48isn't

01:04:49trying

01:04:49to

01:04:50blame

01:04:50shift

01:04:51it

01:04:52is

01:04:52about

01:04:53it

01:04:53became

01:04:54a

01:04:55stated

01:04:55US

01:04:56policy

01:04:57that

01:04:57Saddam

01:04:58was

01:04:59going

01:04:59to be

01:05:00removed

01:05:01as

01:05:01of

01:05:02the

01:05:02Bill

01:05:02Clinton

01:05:03administration

01:05:04that

01:05:05is

01:05:05fact

01:05:06now

01:05:06the

01:05:07policy

01:05:07could

01:05:08have

01:05:08been

01:05:09reversed

01:05:10and

01:05:10changed

01:05:11later

01:05:11but

01:05:11it

01:05:12wasn't

01:05:12Bill

01:05:13Clinton

01:05:13signed

01:05:14that

01:05:14into

01:05:14law

01:05:15but

01:05:15he

01:05:15didn't

01:05:16act

01:05:16upon

01:05:17it

01:05:17the

01:05:18invasion

01:05:19of

01:05:19Iraq

01:05:19didn't

01:05:20take

01:05:20place

01:05:20until

01:05:21during

01:05:22G.W.

01:05:23Bush's

01:05:23administration

01:05:24again

01:05:25this isn't

01:05:26relitigating

01:05:27those

01:05:28that war

01:05:28it is

01:05:29just

01:05:30stating

01:05:30facts

01:05:31around

01:05:32it

01:05:32you can

01:05:33still

01:05:33argue

01:05:34good

01:05:35or bad

01:05:36right

01:05:37or wrong

01:05:38I'm

01:05:39not

01:05:39doing

01:05:40that

01:05:40here

01:05:41you

01:05:42can

01:05:43argue

01:05:46we

01:05:46did

01:05:47with

01:05:48as

01:05:48I

01:05:49did

01:05:49say

01:05:49Iraq

01:05:50clearly

01:05:51didn't

01:05:51have

01:05:52a

01:05:52Navy

01:05:52and

01:05:52Air

01:05:53Force

01:05:53with

01:05:53long

01:05:54range

01:05:54bombers

01:05:55to

01:05:56be

01:05:56a

01:05:56threat

01:05:56to

01:05:57the

01:05:57continental

01:05:58United

01:05:58States

01:05:59was

01:06:00he

01:06:00a

01:06:00threat

01:06:01to

01:06:01us

01:06:01in

01:06:02other

01:06:02ways

01:06:03I

01:06:03dare

01:06:04say

01:06:04yes

01:06:04but

01:06:05again

01:06:05I'm

01:06:06not

01:06:06here

01:06:07to

01:06:07litigate

01:06:08that

01:06:08one

01:06:08way

01:06:09or

01:06:09the

01:06:09other

01:06:09what

01:06:10you

01:06:10cannot

01:06:11argue

01:06:12is

01:06:13that

01:06:13they

01:06:14had

01:06:14no

01:06:15such

01:06:15thing

01:06:16as

01:06:16weapons

01:06:16of

01:06:17mass

01:06:17destruction

01:06:18Clinton

01:06:19talked

01:06:20about

01:06:20it

01:06:21the

01:06:22New York

01:06:22Times

01:06:23post-war

01:06:24had

01:06:25articles

01:06:25about

01:06:26the

01:06:27stashes

01:06:27of

01:06:28chemical

01:06:28weapons

01:06:29a

01:06:30weapon

01:06:30of

01:06:31mass

01:06:31destruction

01:06:32now

01:06:32I

01:06:33don't

01:06:33want

01:06:33to

01:06:34sound

01:06:34like

01:06:34Bill

01:06:34Clinton

01:06:35depends

01:06:35on

01:06:36what

01:06:36the

01:06:36definition

01:06:37of

01:06:37is

01:06:38is

01:06:38here

01:06:38but

01:06:39indeed

01:06:40it

01:06:41is

01:06:41the

01:06:41case

01:06:42there

01:06:43are

01:06:43different

01:06:44classifications

01:06:45of

01:06:45weapons

01:06:46of

01:06:46mass

01:06:46destruction

01:06:47so

01:06:48did

01:06:48Saddam

01:06:49have

01:06:50WMDs

01:06:51absolutely

01:06:52positively

01:06:53no

01:06:54question

01:06:54we know

01:06:55he used

01:06:55chemical

01:06:56weapons

01:06:57on his

01:06:57own

01:06:58people

01:06:58we

01:06:59found

01:07:00them

01:07:00scattered

01:07:00all

01:07:01over

01:07:01Iraq

01:07:02did

01:07:03were

01:07:04they

01:07:04spinning

01:07:05up

01:07:05centrifuges

01:07:06to

01:07:07create

01:07:07a

01:07:07nuclear

01:07:08weapon

01:07:08to

01:07:08put

01:07:09on

01:07:09an

01:07:09ICBM

01:07:10like

01:07:11Iran

01:07:11and the

01:07:12Ayatollahs

01:07:13keep

01:07:13threatening

01:07:14death

01:07:14to

01:07:14America

01:07:15I

01:07:16dare

01:07:16say

01:07:17no

01:07:17but

01:07:19did

01:07:19he

01:07:19have

01:07:20nuclear

01:07:22WMDs

01:07:23or

01:07:23close

01:07:24to

01:07:24them

01:07:24no

01:07:25did

01:07:26he

01:07:26have

01:07:27WMDs

01:07:28yes

01:07:29the

01:07:30WMDs

01:07:31he

01:07:31had

01:07:31was

01:07:32that

01:07:33justification

01:07:33enough

01:07:34again

01:07:35I'm

01:07:37not

01:07:37litigating

01:07:38that

01:07:39that

01:07:40is up

01:07:40to

01:07:41you

01:07:41in

01:07:42your

01:07:42own

01:07:43mind

01:07:43to

01:07:44determine

01:07:45your

01:07:46position

01:07:47your

01:07:48opinion

01:07:51anyway

01:07:52to wrap

01:07:54it up

01:07:54again

01:07:54I

01:07:55go

01:07:56trying

01:07:57to

01:07:57bend

01:07:58over

01:07:58backwards

01:07:59here

01:07:59still

01:08:00to

01:08:01avoid

01:08:02re-litigating

01:08:03each of

01:08:04those

01:08:05conflicts

01:08:05that

01:08:06came up

01:08:07as part

01:08:08of the

01:08:08discussion

01:08:09with

01:08:10Edward

01:08:10you

01:08:12determined

01:08:12that

01:08:13that's

01:08:13not

01:08:14the

01:08:14point

01:08:15of

01:08:15the

01:08:15episode

01:08:16the

01:08:16point

01:08:17of

01:08:17the

01:08:17episode

01:08:18is

01:08:19trauma

01:08:20and

01:08:20PTSD

01:08:21the

01:08:22various

01:08:23versions

01:08:24the

01:08:24societal

01:08:25stress

01:08:25version

01:08:26the

01:08:27conflict

01:08:29war

01:08:30cause

01:08:31version

01:08:32or

01:08:33survivor's

01:08:34guilt

01:08:34psychological

01:08:35version

01:08:36that

01:08:37is the

01:08:38point

01:08:38of the

01:08:39episode

01:08:39and

01:08:40that

01:08:40is

01:08:41what

01:08:41I

01:08:41want

01:08:42to

01:08:42conclude

01:08:42with

01:08:43and

01:08:44stick

01:08:44with

01:08:44another

01:08:46time

01:08:47another

01:08:47guest

01:08:48we

01:08:49may

01:08:49go

01:08:49into

01:08:50Korea

01:08:52Vietnam

01:08:53Afghanistan

01:08:54Iraq

01:08:57destabilization

01:08:58of Libya

01:08:58all of

01:09:00those

01:09:00conflicts

01:09:01we can

01:09:03relitigate

01:09:04at another

01:09:05time

01:09:05but let

01:09:06me

01:09:06conclude

01:09:07with

01:09:07hindsight

01:09:08is always

01:09:092020

01:09:11you

01:09:13deal

01:09:13with

01:09:14things

01:09:14in

01:09:15the

01:09:16reality

01:09:16of the

01:09:17time

01:09:17frame

01:09:18they

01:09:18existed

01:09:19and the

01:09:21realities

01:09:21as they

01:09:22were

01:09:23understood

01:09:24at the

01:09:25time

01:09:25of

01:09:26those

01:09:27conflicts

01:09:27hindsight

01:09:29is always

01:09:302020

01:09:30you

01:09:31have

01:09:32you

01:09:32cannot

01:09:33judge

01:09:33a

01:09:34car

01:09:34of

01:09:36yesterday

01:09:37based

01:09:38on the

01:09:39cars

01:09:39of today

01:09:40different

01:09:41times

01:09:42different

01:09:43manufacturing

01:09:44ways

01:09:45different

01:09:45regulations

01:09:46a

01:09:47DeLorean

01:09:48was a

01:09:49very

01:09:50advanced

01:09:51car

01:09:52in the

01:09:521980s

01:09:53but

01:09:54compared

01:09:54to a

01:09:55car

01:09:55in the

01:09:562020s

01:09:57not

01:09:59even

01:09:59close

01:10:00and the

01:10:01same thing

01:10:01with a

01:10:02Tucker

01:10:03remember

01:10:04the

01:10:04Tucker

01:10:05the first

01:10:06to include

01:10:06seatbelts

01:10:07and the

01:10:08first to

01:10:08do a

01:10:09whole

01:10:09bunch

01:10:10of

01:10:10safety

01:10:10things

01:10:11that

01:10:12other

01:10:14automobile

01:10:15agencies

01:10:16bought

01:10:17because

01:10:17they didn't

01:10:18want that

01:10:18all to

01:10:19have to

01:10:19become

01:10:20immediately

01:10:21standard

01:10:22and them

01:10:23have to

01:10:24run up

01:10:24the cost

01:10:25of their

01:10:25vehicles

01:10:26now

01:10:27I

01:10:28understand

01:10:28that's a

01:10:29very

01:10:30imperfect

01:10:31metaphor

01:10:32and analogy

01:10:33here

01:10:33but the

01:10:35point is

01:10:35true

01:10:36remains

01:10:37you cannot

01:10:38judge

01:10:39the

01:10:3940s

01:10:40and the

01:10:4180s

01:10:42and the

01:10:432000s

01:10:44based on

01:10:45the

01:10:4640s

01:10:46and the

01:10:4780s

01:10:48and the

01:10:482000s

01:10:49you have

01:10:50to judge

01:10:51them

01:10:52based on

01:10:53the

01:10:53knowns

01:10:55of

01:10:55the

01:10:56time

01:10:58that's

01:11:00the only

01:11:00point

01:11:00there

01:11:01alright

01:11:01now

01:11:02I've

01:11:02really

01:11:03gone

01:11:03long

01:11:04this

01:11:04episode

01:11:05has

01:11:05gone

01:11:05way

01:11:06over

01:11:06what

01:11:07it

01:11:07was

01:11:07intended

01:11:07but

01:11:08I

01:11:08felt

01:11:09it

01:11:09important

01:11:10I

01:11:11literally

01:11:11had

01:11:12to

01:11:12get

01:11:12out

01:11:12of

01:11:12bed

01:11:13at

01:11:133

01:11:13o'clock

01:11:14in the

01:11:14morning

01:11:15here

01:11:15my

01:11:16OCD

01:11:17brain

01:11:17going

01:11:19I

01:11:19could

01:11:20not

01:11:20get

01:11:20to

01:11:20sleep

01:11:21I

01:11:21was

01:11:22compelled

01:11:23to

01:11:23get

01:11:23out

01:11:24of

01:11:24bed

01:11:24to

01:11:25record

01:11:25this

01:11:26extra

01:11:26segment

01:11:27to

01:11:27make

01:11:27this

01:11:28explanation

01:11:29and

01:11:30let

01:11:30me

01:11:30conclude

01:11:31with

01:11:31again

01:11:32thanking

01:11:33Ed

01:11:34Tick

01:11:35for

01:11:36coming

01:11:37on

01:11:37again

01:11:38it

01:11:38was

01:11:38a

01:11:39great

01:11:39discussion

01:11:40please

01:11:41take

01:11:42away

01:11:42from

01:11:42it

01:11:43maybe

01:11:43go

01:11:43back

01:11:44and

01:11:44listen

01:11:44to

01:11:45it

01:11:45again

01:11:45to

01:11:46the

01:11:46point

01:11:47and

01:11:47purpose

01:11:47of

01:11:48why

01:11:49he

01:11:49was

01:11:50here

01:11:50and

01:11:51indeed

01:11:51the

01:11:52discussion

01:11:53his

01:11:53books

01:11:54war

01:11:55on

01:11:55the

01:11:55soul

01:11:57good

01:11:58war

01:11:59bad

01:11:59war

01:12:00here

01:12:01or

01:12:01there

01:12:02all

01:12:04of

01:12:05that

01:12:06aside

01:12:06whether

01:12:08you

01:12:08thought

01:12:08the

01:12:08war

01:12:09any

01:12:10war

01:12:10was

01:12:10justified

01:12:11or

01:12:12not

01:12:12irrelevant

01:12:14to

01:12:15the

01:12:15discussion

01:12:16and

01:12:17the

01:12:17points

01:12:18that

01:12:19are

01:12:19supposed

01:12:20to be

01:12:20taken

01:12:21away

01:12:21from

01:12:22this

01:12:23episode

01:12:23maybe

01:12:24I'll

01:12:25have

01:12:25Ed

01:12:25back

01:12:26another

01:12:26time

01:12:27to

01:12:27address

01:12:28this

01:12:28closing

01:12:29segment

01:12:30anyway

01:12:32thank

01:12:33you all

01:12:34take

01:12:34care

01:12:35god

01:12:35bless

01:12:36hopefully

01:12:37I'll

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