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In a new episode of The Rolling Stone Interview, Will Arnett discusses his transformative experience making 'Is This Thing On?,' bombing onstage, and why he’s drawn to playing guys who need to get their lives together.
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00:00And just go silent on the two and the one, you know what I mean?
00:03So five, four, three.
00:05Oh, you've done this before.
00:19Will Arnett, welcome to the Rolling Stone interview.
00:22How are you doing?
00:22I'm very well, thanks. How are you?
00:23Good. Let's talk about Smart List for a second.
00:25Yes.
00:26Now, before Sean Hayes and the other guy, Johnny, Johan, Sebastian Bachman, before Sean and Jason got involved with this, it was going to be called The Journey.
00:40Now, what was that podcast going to be before they sort of bum rushed in?
00:44I was going to be really deep.
00:46Okay.
00:46This is what I mean.
00:47So what was the podcast you had in your mind?
00:50I was going to do something that was really going to connect with people, man.
00:53Okay.
00:54And then I just did this podcast where we talk about just nothing.
01:00That's the best part.
01:02I was going to, I wanted to do this thing that was really, you know, really meet people where they are.
01:09And, uh, and then I ended up doing this thing where it's just me and my buddies goofing around, which is way better.
01:16It's way more fun.
01:17How do you, do you feel that the podcast has changed the friendship at all whatsoever?
01:21Cause this was originally born out of an idea that it was during the pandemic.
01:24You guys weren't really able to see each other, but you kind of wanted to hang out.
01:27And then it just turned into this thing.
01:30Sort of.
01:31Yeah.
01:31Um, it hasn't, has it changed our friendship?
01:34No.
01:34I mean, we're, we're closer than ever.
01:36Yeah.
01:36Um, people have asked that, people ask that about Bradley and me about working on the film.
01:41Has it changed your friendship?
01:43We're closer because we're doing something that we love and it's a lot of, and we really enjoy it.
01:49It's fun and it's fun on different levels for different reasons with people you love.
01:54Like generally that brings you closer together.
01:56Right.
01:57You know, um, if we were to work together even more, we would bring us closer together, Dave.
02:04Well, I don't, let's not go that far.
02:07We'd get close.
02:09You think?
02:09We would get, we would get very close.
02:11I like how optimistic you are about that.
02:13I'm optimistic about everything.
02:14No, no, it's good.
02:15It's a, it's a good, uh, you know, it's a glass half full attitude.
02:18And I think we could use more of that right now.
02:19It's not half full.
02:20It's full.
02:21Oh, wow.
02:22It's a glass totally full attitude.
02:23Completely brimming.
02:24It's a brimming glass attitude.
02:27What do you think it is about podcasts that are scratching an itch with people and not just like what you do, but I feel like in general, it's become this sort of thing that people have really kind of tuned into.
02:38I mean, there's a reason that there's, it's a billion dollar industry right now.
02:42I don't know.
02:43I wish I knew.
02:44I used to be kind of cynical about podcasts.
02:46I was like, yeah, I love it when it was called the radio and then look down the barrel of the camera.
02:51Yeah.
02:52Yeah.
02:52Radio felt like it was just filling the airwaves between songs or between thing and you had to get the news and it was just, you were always, it was always on a timeline podcast.
03:00You're like, Hey, there's no restrictions here.
03:02We're just here to do this.
03:04Right.
03:04That's it.
03:07You're, you're, this is it.
03:08We're not leading up to anything else.
03:10You're getting it with just a bunch of BS.
03:13It could be.
03:14Today, today we did the podcast.
03:16I was in.
03:17And Thoreau is really going to get after me for this.
03:21I was in sleeveless t-shirt because I'd been at the gym and you can't contain this shit.
03:26You barely contain it now.
03:27I mean, this is.
03:28Yeah.
03:29No, I got you.
03:29This sweater is a triple XL.
03:31No, it's a, it's a three alarm fire.
03:32I got it.
03:33And, and I, so I, my point is I just come back from the gym.
03:38I realized that I'd mistimed how much time I had.
03:42So I had to connect.
03:43And then my girlfriend made me food and she delivered on camera food onto the floor.
03:48And Jason's like, who's putting food on the floor on all.
03:51Is she on all four?
03:52They go, no, she just put food by the door.
03:54She didn't want to interrupt.
03:55Like it is a, it's, it's a real loose operation.
03:59Right.
03:59But that's, that's the fun of it.
04:01Who came up with the idea of bringing on a guest, but not telling the other two.
04:06Well, that's controversial.
04:08And I did.
04:10Okay.
04:12And, and, and it's controversial because they're like, well, I don't know.
04:15And I'm like, well, are we going to trust the guy with the good memory or not?
04:20Not knowing that they would eventually bring your ex wife on, which is still one of my favorite
04:24episodes.
04:25That was a great one.
04:25Yeah.
04:26It's really wonderful.
04:26And not just because it would potentially clear up whatever opinions people had.
04:31That's not your concern.
04:33That's whatever.
04:33But like there, there's something really just wonderful about hearing, uh, just hearing
04:40the kind of good vibes, I guess is the word.
04:42Yeah.
04:43Bone homie, I guess is the word I'm looking for.
04:45Like the, the real sense of just how well you two still seem to get to, you know, like
04:50still are with each other.
04:52Yeah.
04:52And having that kind of come through, even just through a podcast.
04:56Yeah.
04:56I mean, Amy texted Sean to me this morning saying, uh, we all got nominated for golden
05:00globes.
05:01Let's party.
05:01Yeah.
05:02Congratulations.
05:02Thanks.
05:03And she said, I, and I don't have Bateman's number and that's probably for the best.
05:06That was the text, but you know, yeah, of course.
05:09And people think that they know people have also over the years, I've read so many times
05:13people and opinions they think they have.
05:15And it's like, it's fucking hilarious to me how much shit is just made up and they
05:22have zero idea.
05:23It's like, Oh, you think, you know what, what my life is.
05:27But I feel like that's the human condition in a nutshell where there is a part of, there's
05:32a part of you that goes like, Oh, I don't want to know about that.
05:35That's between these two P.
05:36That's how I feel.
05:38And then there's another part of you that's like, go on.
05:40And you're eating popcorn and just like, look, yes.
05:43And then it's part of, you know, a celebrity culture that we would, that we all participate
05:49in.
05:49And by the way, it's been good to me.
05:51So I don't want to shit on it.
05:54How, what's your relationship like with fame today?
05:57It's funny.
05:59It's, it's, it's a funny thing.
06:00I still, I still struggle with it.
06:03And, and, you know, there are a lot of, you gotta be careful.
06:09It's like, okay, the universe will be like, great.
06:11You don't want it.
06:12We'll take it away.
06:13Fame is just a weird thing.
06:15And I'm not like the most famous dude in the world by any stretch.
06:18So I, I, it's not like people really care that much what's going on in my life.
06:22Uh, for the most part, I just, I just think that, well, we just live in a world where everybody
06:29has an opinion on it.
06:31The problem is that you hear it all at the same volume all the time.
06:34And I'm like, okay.
06:36So was this, I mean, it's funny when you talk to people who have, uh, excelled in a creative
06:42endeavor, you know, you always want to go back to the origin point.
06:45Was there something, you know, did you make somebody laugh in fifth grade and then you
06:48liked that feeling and you chased after that or whatever you, you grew up in Toronto.
06:51Was there a creative urge that hit early or was it something that happened later?
06:55And what was, was it tied into being famous or was it just tied into like getting a reaction
06:59from somebody?
06:59No, it was not tied into being famous.
07:02And, uh, it was much more, I think I liked the idea of being an actor.
07:10What I wanted to do was come to New York and be an actor, which was my intention.
07:13When I landed here in August of 1990, I was going to, I was coming here to be an actor
07:19and, and not a, not a comedic actor.
07:22No, capital A.
07:23I'm going to study a Stroudsburg actor.
07:25I'm going to be a study at Stroudsburg.
07:26People are going to take me seriously and I want to do some heavy, deep shit.
07:30And I think that I thought that I had a chance to do stuff and that that was a way
07:34that I could express myself.
07:36And then I, it was what I wanted to do.
07:38I wanted to be, I wanted to kind of dive in and do some, you know, dramatic roles.
07:43That's, that spoke to me.
07:46And somewhere along the line, uh, I started reading for sitcoms, even though I initially
07:55didn't want to, cause I thought they were beneath me.
07:58And then I was desperate to get a sitcom.
08:01After two years of no work.
08:02Yeah.
08:02Surprising.
08:03Oh, after two weeks, I was like, oh my God, I'll read for anything.
08:05Are you kidding?
08:06You know, so you go in there with the, with the, with these sort of lofty ambitions as
08:11a young person.
08:12And then I'm like, fuck man, I got to pay the rent.
08:15And, and that's how I sort of started kind of backing my way into comedy was through reading
08:22for sitcoms and then doing pilots and doing sitcoms and stuff.
08:25I didn't have the luxury of doing second city or any kind of sketch comedy or stand-up.
08:29Come from a comedy background.
08:30No, or improv at all, at all.
08:33And then I kind of learned it all backwards.
08:37Well, and you were booking gigs in the late nineties, it seems like, right?
08:39Like you showed up on the Sopranos.
08:41I think I walked into the room the other day and my kid was watching Sex and the City.
08:44Sure.
08:44And there you were on TV.
08:45And it was like, I think that's Will Arnett, a very young Will Arnett.
08:49Yeah.
08:49And then, yeah, you get arrested development and it feels like it becomes this massive change.
08:55I found this, somebody asked you like, was there a moment when you, when you became
08:59Will Arnett in all caps and you're like, I was always that guy.
09:02I was just waiting for everybody to catch up.
09:04And it feels like arrested development is kind of where people catch up.
09:08Was there a moment where you felt that something had changed, like that you knew people were
09:12not only watching the show, but reacting to it the way they were?
09:16Yeah.
09:17I think, by the way, that quote is so, to me, it's so funny.
09:20I think about things.
09:21It's going to be the headline of this piece and the pull quote.
09:24I said that like, what a wise ass, you know?
09:27I don't know how serious you were when you said it.
09:30I had to have been kidding.
09:31I mean, I've said so many like dumb stuff where people are like, did you really say this?
09:35And I'm like, yeah, I didn't mean it.
09:36When you hear it out of context, it sounds like I'm trying to say something really, you
09:41know, years ago I did an interview and they said, back when I was married, they said, what's
09:47it like being married to the funniest person in America?
09:50And I said, I don't know.
09:51You'd have to ask my wife.
09:52And that one like dogged me for a long time.
09:56I was like, I'm just fucking around, man.
09:58Sounds funny when you say it, when it shows up in print.
10:01When you read it in black and white.
10:02Yeah.
10:02When it's read back in court, please read back.
10:07The defendant said, you're like, well, fucking let's not say defendant, you know?
10:11Um, so yeah, I, I, uh, I, but I think I, I remember a moment we were making arrest development
10:19and to say it changed everything is an understatement for in my life is an understatement.
10:25We started shooting in August of 2003 and it didn't air until I think it was November
10:319th, 2003.
10:33And in those few months in there, we were making those shows in a vacuum.
10:37We had no reaction.
10:40The scripts were outlandish and bizarre and the scenes were insane.
10:44And so like, Hey, we might be making the worst thing of all time.
10:49Like there's a chance we're making the world's worst television program, but we were all enjoying
10:56it and having a lot of fun.
10:57I remember one of the editors who was up, the writers were up on the second story above
11:00our stages and the, there was an editing room there.
11:03And one of the editors saying like, man, I'm putting these shows together.
11:06They're really good.
11:08I was like, Oh really?
11:10Like I had no concept of what it was like to do something really good.
11:14Yeah.
11:15I really didn't.
11:16Yeah.
11:16I hadn't ever done something really good.
11:18And not just something good, but like something that really hits too.
11:22Yeah.
11:22Something really hit.
11:22I never really done it.
11:24And it didn't occur to me, you know, when, when we first aired, when the first reviews
11:29came out, I remember the studio 20th, we got these packages of reviews, actual, actual paper
11:37reviews, you know, photocopies, whatever, mimeograph reading all these one after another.
11:43And they were all really, they were all for the most part glowing reviews.
11:47And I was like, like I would give anything right for now to do something and to have
11:51that sort of like breakthrough.
11:53And I'm like, Oh yeah, it seems pretty good.
11:56The people like it.
11:57Like I, I had, I had no context for any of it.
12:00And then I remember David Cross saying to me, Hey, people are liking what you're doing
12:08on the show.
12:09Do you know that people are liking the show?
12:11And, uh, Bob Odenkirk said something similar to me as well.
12:14Cause he was on that, the show that first season and.
12:16Right.
12:17And then he directed you in the.
12:18And then when I made two movies with Bob.
12:20Oh, right, right, right.
12:21Yeah.
12:21We, yeah, we made, let's go to prison and brother Solomon.
12:24Forgot about brother Solomon.
12:25So I spent a lot of time with Bob over the next couple of years and I love, I love Bob
12:30Odenkirk.
12:30I really do.
12:31The idea was to go and do something like, like arrested.
12:35Now that, of course that was not as sort of dramatic as that, but, but to go and do something
12:40that felt worthy, that felt really good.
12:44You just want to do something that feels really satisfied.
12:46That felt really satisfying doing that show, shooting that show, doing those scenes, laughing
12:51a lot and having the shows turn out so well, getting to work with those scripts from, you
12:56know, the brilliant Mitch Hurwitz and, and, and to get to be a part of something like
13:01that, that's really gratifying.
13:04That's the goal.
13:05And I would think as frustrating as it must've been to have been a working actor in New York
13:10for a couple of years and not feel like you were where you wanted to be.
13:1313 years.
13:14Yeah.
13:15Yeah.
13:15I, you know, I could ask questions about the answer, I guess.
13:17And like, we could talk about that and see how that worked, but like, you know, the idea
13:23being that like you had gone through this entire career arc before you got arrested development
13:28and I can only imagine what it must've been like, what it would have been like rather if
13:32you had gotten arrested development right off the bat.
13:34And then that's, you kind of start off on that high and then you spend the rest of your
13:38career chasing that.
13:39I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask Lewis to bring my phone in for a second.
13:42Cause I'm going to read you a quote.
13:44Okay.
13:45This is, this, uh, this was told me and, and, uh, Mark Chappell told me this.
13:49You ready for this?
13:50Okay.
13:51Your writing partner, right?
13:52My writing partner.
13:53Yeah.
13:53AKA Chappie.
13:55Got it.
13:55Noted.
13:57So this is to answer like what would have been different if I'd gotten arrested development
14:01year one of living in New York.
14:05Those the gods wish to punish first, they grant their wishes.
14:11Remind me who said that quote.
14:13Cause I know it, but I can't remember who said it.
14:14I don't know.
14:14He doesn't know either.
14:16Dick Van Dyke.
14:16Let's just say Dick Van Dyke.
14:18Um, God, it's my agent calling.
14:24Was it Dick Van Dyke?
14:25But again, though, somebody can look it up, but somebody got AI in here.
14:29Those, the gods wish to punish first.
14:31They grant their wishes.
14:33Fucking.
14:33I'm full of quotes these days.
14:36Have you noticed?
14:37I was going to say, I wish, I wish that mic came off so you could drop it right there.
14:39I know.
14:40Back when this show was on, like in its first run and was really, really starting to find
14:45an audience.
14:46How many times would people come up and start singing the final countdown to you?
14:50Oh, they did.
14:50People do everything.
14:51They do the chicken dance to me.
14:53They'd yell Michael from across the street.
14:56Oh my God.
14:56Um, people would, um, I mean, huge, countless times people have told me that they've made
15:05a huge mistake, you know?
15:07Yeah.
15:08BoJack, how was this pitched to you?
15:09Because on, I can see on paper, not having read a script, but just given, given the elevator
15:14pitch, the log line, you might go, I think I know what this is.
15:18And okay.
15:19And then obviously what it turned out to be was.
15:23Raphael Bob Waksberg, who created BoJack and who wrote it, uh, and he's a brilliant
15:28guy said, I'm going to create this show.
15:31How would you like to come be part of a show that for the rest of your life, people are
15:35trying to retrofit your life to make it seem like you're like BoJack Orsman.
15:40And I said, great.
15:42You just answered my next seven questions.
15:43Yeah.
15:44Um, I love BoJack.
15:46I love doing it.
15:47Ralph is, is an incredible writer and he had, he had a script.
15:52And so we made a 13 minute short first, a pilot, if you will.
15:57And a bunch of people, it was a crazy cast in the pilot.
16:01Uh, obviously Aaron, the delightful and lovely and charming and my friend, Aaron Paul, who
16:07I adore, Amy Sedaris, uh, my old friend, Amy, whom I also adore everybody who I adore.
16:14Um, and we made this 13 minute pilot and everybody passed.
16:17Everybody in Hollywood passed on it.
16:19Every, every, everybody in Hollywood passed.
16:23Everybody in Hollywood.
16:24Sorry.
16:24You're right.
16:24How could I, I love the fans know it better than I do.
16:28Yeah.
16:28No, that was the most obnoxious fan moment I've had in a long time.
16:31So I wholeheartedly apologize.
16:32We're keeping it in.
16:33Yeah.
16:33Well, we'll see about that.
16:35Um, it's, it's, it's one of those things like fans are like, you know, cause you know,
16:39when he showed up at the thing, I'm like, yeah, I don't remember.
16:42Um, it's been a while.
16:44Yeah.
16:44It's been a while.
16:46We, everybody passed on it.
16:48Every network passed on it except for Ted Sarandos was like, they were like the last
16:52house on the block, the last shop on the block.
16:56And he called me and said, I think I'm going to do this horse, horseback Bojack.
17:01I don't even know if he got it right.
17:02Maybe I'm, I hope he got it wrong.
17:05Um, but he said, no, I'm going to, I'm going to pick up Bojack Horseman.
17:08I think it's really funny.
17:09That seemed like a controversial thing to say.
17:11I'm going to pick it up because it's really funny.
17:12But in, in, in, in that, my business, that's not, that is not always the reason that they
17:20pick stuff up.
17:22No, no.
17:22In fact, how many times has somebody heard this when they pitch an idea and the response
17:27they get back is we love it.
17:28It's great.
17:29It's funny.
17:29It's really smart.
17:30We would never make it.
17:31We can't wait to watch it.
17:32Yeah.
17:32But you know, we, we're not going to put money into this.
17:34And the fact that he can be like, no, I want to pick this up because it's funny.
17:37Because it's funny.
17:38Um, not because it's commercial.
17:40Not because we think that has, you know, mass appeal and we think that's going to bring
17:45viewers in simply because it's funny.
17:47So that was, that was a great, uh, you know, I love Ted and we've had a long relationship
17:51since we first started.
17:53We, at that point we're doing a rest of development, the, the, the re-up on Netflix
17:58and we were one of their first streaming shows.
18:00So at the time we had a, you know, I gotten to know him and, and I was really excited that
18:05he wanted to do it.
18:06We were so into it and Ted was so into it.
18:08This is before they really blew up and became the Netflix that we know today.
18:11That is, uh, that just bought the U S government.
18:16I think, I, I don't know how to read Bloomberg, but I think that, I don't know what happened.
18:19I think they're waiting to see if someone's going to throw in Paraguay as well, but yeah,
18:22they pretty much.
18:24Right.
18:24They're pretty close.
18:25They used to have this smaller office down on Maple drive in Los Angeles.
18:29And, and, uh, there were about five of them in the office at the time.
18:33And Ted and I, a couple of times we'd go and have dinner and then we'd go to his office
18:38and nobody was there at sort of nine o'clock at night and watch kind of previs episodes
18:46with like rough animation of episodes of BoJack.
18:50Um, because we were just really into that was season one.
18:53Um, it's amazing how, when you go back and watch that show, not only does it stand up
18:58beautifully still, but the idea that under the cover of this really wonderful strain of
19:05absurdism is so much pain and catharsis and like real dark shit that you guys are getting
19:12into and both of them work.
19:15Like it's one of those things where it's not in either, or it, it just, I think about that
19:19eulogy episode a lot.
19:22How, how long did it take you to do that?
19:24Cause it, I know it's just you reading a thing in a booth, but like, that's a performance.
19:29Like that's a one shot performance.
19:32There's, we did a couple of different things, but it's basically one read through.
19:37Oh my God.
19:38Yeah.
19:39That was, that was a crazy, all of that was crazy making that episode, uh, uh, free churro.
19:44So we, it was, um, the table read, I was, it was just me, which was weird.
19:50And all the writers and my sister, weirdly enough, um, you know, normally we'd all be
19:57at the table.
19:58Paul Tompkins would always sit to basically to my right, Amy Sedaris on the, on the speaker
20:03phone in the middle.
20:03Cause she never came for a table read, not once.
20:06And this, uh, free churro day, I just showed up and I was just, it was just me.
20:13It was so, uh, bizarre.
20:15And then reading it, it was just, it was always, um, I'm, I was just in the booth and on the
20:21other side of the glass is Raphael and the engineer.
20:24And we'd done the table read the week before and we knew what it was.
20:28And he had sort of made some adjustments and he was kind of like, you know, in his sort
20:32of breath way, like, all right, let's go, you know, sort of like kind of funnily upbeat.
20:39It's going to be fun, you know, and then doing this like really intense thing.
20:45Um, there were so many moments where we do like, there'd be some really heavy rough,
20:51uh, all that, that whole thing of when Bojack goes to Arizona and he's on the boat and everything
20:57like that in the driveway and you're really heavy.
21:01And then we'd like finish the take and rough it would be like, we got it.
21:07Aces.
21:07Yeah.
21:08And I'd be like, rough.
21:09This is not fun.
21:11This is a bummer, dude.
21:13And like, it would, it ruined a lot of Wednesdays for me.
21:18You know, I'd record from sort of 10 till 11 or 1130 or something.
21:23And then I'd have to spend the rest of the day trying to shake off the Bojack.
21:28It's a lot of dark stuff in there.
21:30Yeah.
21:30But it was really impactful and, and yeah, super, super funny.
21:35So many, so many profoundly funny moments and funny bits and funny jokes.
21:39And it's, it was also, uh, you know, kind of like a, um, really like a, like a, like an
21:49essay on mental health and depression and all that kind of stuff.
21:55Yeah.
21:55And I think that's why, I mean, clearly that's what he had set out to do when he wrote the
22:00thing.
22:00It wasn't just going to be like, we're going to throw in a bunch of visual gags and there's
22:04some funny animals that are animal heads on people's bodies.
22:06And then, you know, it's, we'll just start counting the money and you can back the brink
22:10truck up.
22:10But like, it's really the idea that like, that's, this is the cover.
22:14This is the, the sugar that we're going to put some serious, like antidepressant meds
22:18in here.
22:19A hundred percent.
22:21And, and I always really liked that.
22:23And I, we had a satisfying moment.
22:26Ralph and I did one of those panels with a dude who had, uh, talked about how the first
22:31season, you know, what it was like to get the reception.
22:34And I brought up, cause the guy was on, was moderating the panel.
22:38I said, you gave it a shit review the first season and then jumped on board and you didn't,
22:47you know, it's kind of like, I was like, you got a cop to that.
22:53And did he sort of felt fucking great.
22:56It felt so good.
23:00I found some quote of yours.
23:02Maybe it was, I don't think it was on Conan's podcast, but it was on some other appearance
23:05on a podcast or an interview that you'd done where you would take an issue with how some
23:10people had said like, well, you know, will Arnett play, he just is, all his characters
23:14are assholes.
23:14He plays, he's really great at playing assholes.
23:16And we're like, no, no, I can't remember the exact quotes.
23:18I'm going to butcher it.
23:18I'm sure.
23:19But I think you said something along the lines of like, no, I like really arrogant and incompetent.
23:24Yeah.
23:24I used to really like that.
23:25Like you put those two together and it really works.
23:28Yeah.
23:28It's a, as I said, it's a potent elixir.
23:30Right.
23:31But if you look at like Bojack and then Flaked, which comes, I think right after it.
23:35Kind of overlapped.
23:36Yeah.
23:36Yeah.
23:37It's this real idea that you are also attracted to these characters who are kind of trying
23:42to claw their way back out of this hole that they've found themselves in and get to some
23:47sort of point where they can get to like terra firma and actually kind of try and find, if
23:51not peace of mind, then at least get to a point of stability.
23:54What is it about those type of characters that attract you?
23:58I think it's interesting.
23:59I think it's interesting to have people who are, everybody's flawed.
24:02These are, you know, and these are heightened versions of the people maybe that are in our
24:08lives.
24:08But these are people who have kind of fucked up and done it in different ways.
24:12He's flaked.
24:14Chip had fucked up and he was never, but he'd never done anything at all other than kind
24:21of fuck up.
24:22He wanted to get to a baseline of just kind of being a good person and live an honorable
24:29life, if you will.
24:30But he didn't kind of know how to do it.
24:32Bojack was somebody who had achieved a certain degree of success monetarily and just, you
24:42know, he had a TV show that had been, um, it's the comment I get all the time on anything.
24:49Or isn't that the horse from horse and around?
24:51And I'm always like, good one.
24:53Um, you know what I mean?
24:55Didn't you say that you got recognized in a restaurant once and by somebody who didn't
25:00know who you were, but they heard your voice and were like, are you Bojack?
25:03Yes.
25:04This, a server this past summer on Long Island, she said to me, have you ever, do you know
25:10the animated show Bojack?
25:13So yeah, is that, are you him?
25:15And I was like, fuck man.
25:16Yes.
25:17Yes, I am.
25:18Yes.
25:19Yeah.
25:20Uh, let's talk a little bit about this new movie of yours.
25:22Is this thing on?
25:24It's not a Herculean effort to draw a through line, I think, between Bojack and the character
25:28and Flake to this character that you're playing in this movie.
25:31Yeah.
25:31I think that what's different is, again, these are, they're all just sort of guys going through
25:36various, you know, otherwise what's the alternative?
25:40Like I'll, I'll do characters who are doing what, I guess I could have like do movies where
25:45the guys, my, you know, my daughter has been apprehended by some terrorists and I, or by
25:54the way.
25:54Go on.
25:55It sounds, it sounds interesting.
25:56By the way, I'd give anything to do that.
25:58Um, no, but, but, or I could, you know, whatever, some murder mystery like that, but everybody's
26:04going to have their thing.
26:06Um, and I just like the simplicity of these people who are just trying to be, get better.
26:14This character in, in, is this thing on Alex?
26:17He doesn't, his bottom isn't, is a much different from those other guys.
26:20And he's a much, and he's a much closer to somebody we all know.
26:25For those who don't know, just give it a quick elevator pitch for this thing.
26:28It's a story of a gentleman who's going through a bit of a crisis and he sort of stumbles into
26:34a bar one night and ends up doing, uh, an open mic standup comedy routine and suddenly
26:40finds that he's got a sense of liberation.
26:43It helps, uh, his marriage, which he's been having some issues with.
26:46He suddenly finds a sense of identity and like all good stories about marriage and identity.
26:51This starts on a barge in Amsterdam.
26:54That's true.
26:54So I, I, I happen to be on a barge in Amsterdam with some friends at this lunch, uh, which
27:01I'd never done before.
27:01And I haven't done since should be pointed out.
27:04Okay, good, good, good to know.
27:05And I meet, uh, I'm, I'm sat next to this guy and my friend says, introduced me to this
27:11fellow, John Bishop.
27:12He said, well, do you know, John?
27:13I say, don't.
27:14And he's, uh, he says he's a very successful comedian in the UK and I will, fantastic.
27:20And he said, John, tell will the story, how you became a standup.
27:24And he proceeds to tell me this pretty incredible story that really grabbed me, um, for, you
27:30know, the basic tenants of which you kind of outlined, he was more through divorce and
27:34he didn't want to pay a cover charge at a bar where they were doing an open mic night.
27:38So he put his name on the list and he ended up going up.
27:42And for the first time kind of spoke his truth about where he was at and what he was going
27:48through.
27:49And I found that really compelling.
27:51And what, what really got me was that he went back the next week and did it again.
27:56Yeah.
27:57And basically he said, you know, that Mondays were the toughest day, uh, when he was going
28:03through a separation cause he had his kids on the weekend and then he, Monday he drops
28:07to school and he's no, he knows he's not going to see them all week.
28:09So Monday nights were really hard.
28:11And that was a Monday that he went in that first time and he felt kind of good for the
28:16first Monday.
28:17So he did it again cause it made him feel good.
28:20And he kept going and he never told anybody in his life that he was doing this.
28:25Didn't tell a soul.
28:26And all of a sudden a few months into it, he's kind of getting good at it and figuring out
28:31his voice.
28:32And we use the line, his mom, his mom sat down and said, Oh my God, I didn't realize that your
28:37life was so bad.
28:40And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, this is a good thing.
28:43I'm getting relief from this.
28:44This is the power of the tight 10.
28:45Yeah.
28:46This is the power of the tight 10.
28:48So that really got me.
28:49And then of course, also the, the truth, uh, the other sort of all the unbelievable parts
28:54about the story are the truest, which is that his wife happens to stumble into a different
29:01club.
29:01He's doing a, uh, uh, you know, he's in the middle of a bunch of acts and he gets asked
29:06to do it on a Saturday night.
29:07And she comes in with some new friends from work and sees him on stage.
29:11And she has no idea.
29:12She hears him go, please welcome to the stage, John Bishop.
29:15And she's like, what?
29:16And then he goes up and he starts telling you jokes and he's free and loose and smiling
29:20and having fun.
29:22And people are laughing and she's blown away.
29:25And then he sees her, he hears her laugh and he can see her in the crowd.
29:28And he kind of freaks out and afterwards they meet at the bar.
29:31She's like, that's the guy I married.
29:33That guy on stage was the dude I married.
29:35You're so much happier.
29:37And they start talking again.
29:38So that all those elements, and it stuck with me, obviously, you know, uh, um, to the point
29:43where I reached out to our mutual friend and I said, we left Amsterdam.
29:48And I said, I, I think that there's a movie or first I called Mark Chappell, my writing
29:53partner.
29:53I said, do you know the story of John Bishop?
29:55And he said to me, yes, I've wanted to do that story.
30:00I knew somebody who worked for his company was seeing if there was a way that I could
30:03do that.
30:03I said, dude, uh, we're in.
30:06How hadn't he, he not brought this to you sooner?
30:09He, yeah, you know, it's a great point.
30:11I haven't looked at it that way.
30:13Sorry.
30:14No, I just broke up a writing partnership.
30:15No, I've got to make a phone call after this, but you're right.
30:18He should have.
30:19Nobody said, nobody said that to me yet.
30:21How did Chappie not bring it to me earlier?
30:24Um, and then we went to, we went to the UK and, and, uh, you know, sort of got to touch
30:29with John and said, can we come talk to you?
30:31And he said, yeah.
30:31So I flew to London and started this, this crazy process.
30:36Right.
30:36So it's time to bring Mr. Cooper in.
30:38Yeah.
30:38Let's bring him in.
30:39Uh, when you bring this to Bradley and say, Hey, I'm working on this thing.
30:44Can you take a look at it?
30:45Was there something specific about him besides the fact that you guys had been friends for
30:48what, 20 years or so that, uh, you made, you made you think, okay, he needs to look
30:53at this specifically him.
30:55I feel like he's going to kind of find something that's not quite gelling.
30:59Well, it's kind of unusual when you have a script like this to like, you, you let some
31:05people, sometimes you'll let some people look at it and people read it, people that,
31:09that you trust and they'll give you thoughts on it.
31:11But Bradley happened to be somebody we had, we're old friends.
31:18And then in the last kind of couple of years leading up to this is like 2022, late 22, he
31:26and I are spending a lot more time together again and, and, and sort of reconnected, um,
31:33back to the way it was kind of in the old days.
31:35And he was in the middle of making this movie maestro, um, and he had made stars born.
31:44And I was such a, apart from just trusting him and loving the guy, he, he's such a, he's
31:53such an incredible sort of formidable filmmaker.
31:55And he understands, and I think he's really good at understanding people and relationships
32:00and these kinds of things.
32:01And I just knew he asked me what I was working on.
32:05I told him the story of this and I said, we're kind of at this place.
32:08And he said, send it to me.
32:10Then I'll take a look.
32:11And I thought, great.
32:12He's got a six week break on maestro.
32:15Maybe he'll look at it.
32:16Maybe he'll say, he'll see fresh set of eyes.
32:20And he really does have such a great appreciation and understanding of cinema.
32:27I think that's apparent when you look at his movies, like actually scene to scene, shot
32:31to shot.
32:32The guy has a real visual sensibility.
32:34He knows how to tell the story.
32:35That was kind of a stroke of luck, if you will, that that happened at that time.
32:39And then he said, send it to me and I'll give you my thoughts.
32:42It's not a bad idea to get free notes from a filmmaker of his stature.
32:48No, it's a good call.
32:49And so I didn't know what he was going to say when he called back after having reading
32:55it, having read it rather.
32:57And he called and said, I really like it.
33:04And if you're okay with it, I'd like to direct it and rewrite it with you guys.
33:11I was like, yeah, great.
33:13Like, are you for real?
33:14And he's like, yeah.
33:15And I said, that would be amazing.
33:18And he was the one that really started putting more emphasis on the marriage aspect of it.
33:22Yeah.
33:23I mean, we had stuff in the marriage, but he was really getting into understanding who
33:26Tess was, the wife.
33:27Yeah.
33:28You know, Alex and Tess are the married couple.
33:31Played by Laura Dern, yeah.
33:32Played by Laura Dern.
33:33And Laura came in because of Bradley.
33:35Bradley brought Laura.
33:36And again, all these things just sort of kept, you know, raising the stakes and making it so
33:42much better.
33:42And then a few months into it, he was like, this character of Tess needs to be kind of
33:49a badass.
33:51You know, she needs to be a titan, was the word that he used.
33:55And she needs to be like a retired athlete, you know, be really strong and really be your
34:03equal.
34:03And I think, I think it's got to be Laura Dern.
34:09And of course I heard that.
34:10I was like, well, yeah, but how's that going to happen?
34:14You know?
34:15And so Bradley went to Laura and, and she agreed and it just changed everything.
34:22It really does feel like it's a, it's a battle of equals up there.
34:27Yeah.
34:27And especially when you consider that this guy starts in a place of, he's got to put himself
34:32back together again and then he emerges bionic, stronger, faster, slightly funnier.
34:38Yeah, slightly.
34:39And she's starting to get back into her career.
34:41She's going to start coaching as this athlete.
34:42And then you kind of see them once they get to that point, especially after she sees your
34:47character in the club where I keep going back.
34:51There's a moment where she goes, you know, give me a smoke and you start to feel like
34:55something's changed.
34:56She doesn't seem antagonistic.
34:58She just seems to, it seems like they're actually communicating for the first time in a very
35:02long time.
35:02And that's when I feel like the whole second half of that movie takes off in a really interesting
35:07direction.
35:07You know, these are people who have, she feels like she's put her life on hold.
35:12She's been, feels like she's been left on an island.
35:15He feels like he was going out and doing the things that he thought he was supposed to do,
35:18which is go out and earn a living and just be miserable forever.
35:22And neither of them are talking to each other about that.
35:27He was loving her from a sunny day and she's like, you got to love me on the rainy days.
35:33So you had never done any standup prior to prepping for this film where you would go up
35:38and go do open mic nights, right?
35:40Never, never once.
35:41So here, did people recognize you when you went up and did this?
35:46Cause you did this as Alex Novak, your character's name.
35:49Yeah.
35:49Yeah.
35:49Yeah.
35:50I did it every night for about six weeks, um, like three times a night at the, at the
35:54cellar.
35:55And I was living around the corner and I'd just walk over there kind of nine 30, 10, 10 30
35:59at night.
36:00Um, rather than I would text each other, like, all right, meet you over there.
36:03We'd go over and I'd go up as Alex Novak and, and work and work out the various sets that
36:08we have in the film.
36:09Um, longer sets than we actually use, but just different material.
36:14And sometimes pieces from the first set pieces from the second set, but, and, but I was going
36:20up as Alex Novak introduced, um, often please welcome to the stage for the first time, Alex
36:25Novak.
36:26And just to try to understand what it's like to go up on stage, what it's like for this
36:34guy, for somebody who has no connection as a performer to go up and get on stage.
36:40And it was crucial, you know, um, you know, it's funny at the time it wasn't like, let's
36:48go and prep, right?
36:50Let's go and, you know, check.
36:52I'm going to go full method.
36:52I'm going to, I'm going to Lenny Bruce this shit for two weeks.
36:55No, it wasn't.
36:56It was like, let's go over to the cellar and try this out.
37:01Let's go back.
37:02Let's go back.
37:03And then during the day, work on those bits to see, and because the assignment was to
37:11A, go and do that.
37:12What it turned out was in effect, rehearsing in front of real audiences and getting that
37:18vibe.
37:19And, and B was, was to, first of all, as a performer, somebody who's been sort of performing
37:27for a number of years, my instinct is to go out there and to figure out a way to try
37:33to win the audience over if I can.
37:35Right.
37:36Right.
37:36Like if, if I were growing up as myself, I'd be like, and I'm not a standup, I would be
37:41like, I'd be desperate to like, how can I at least try to salvage a couple laps here
37:46somehow?
37:48However cheap.
37:49Those crickets are loud.
37:50I mean, man, they're really loud.
37:52And, but the assignment is to really go and figure out like, no, I got to go and do this.
37:58And stick to this.
37:59So audience would know sometimes often know who I was or, or, and so I'd come up and they'd
38:05be like laughing and then confused.
38:09Right.
38:10But I had to kind of stick to my guns and just kind of plow through that and, and keep, you
38:16know, keep doing this set.
38:17I've seen the film a number of times now, and this keeps occurring to me, knowing that
38:21you went up and did actual open mic nights and did a couple of sets a night as Alex.
38:26Let's say I'm somebody who has a famous persona and I'm doing this as, as somebody else.
38:32And I'm talking about my character going through a heinous divorce after, and again,
38:38hypothetically, I have been married to somebody who was famous and then a divorce played out
38:44in the, in the public court of opinion, regardless of whether it's their business or not about
38:49what happened.
38:50And suddenly I'm on stage as somebody else at best.
38:54They're thinking, is he doing some sort of Andy Kaufman bit?
38:57And at worst, they're like, this is Will Arnett talking about the disillusion of his marriage.
39:01Is he okay having a nervous breakdown on stage?
39:04Yeah.
39:0410 30 PM on a Tuesday at the comedy cell.
39:06Not only that he's, he's, he's a little late when he, if he thinks he's getting a divorce,
39:11he's like 14 years too late or whatever it is.
39:14Like it's just occurring to him or they're, or they're Googling me going like, did he
39:20get married again?
39:21Is he having another, you know, in real time.
39:24So, but there were also like really gratifying moments.
39:27I remember one time, uh, one night standing outside the cellar after having gone up and
39:33this girl comes up and she said, um, so are you still talking?
39:38I, one of the, I think I'd done, I think I'd told the story about, it was one of the later
39:44sets and I was talking about missing her.
39:46So this girl was like, so you got, but you guys are talking again and things are good.
39:51And I was, and honestly, I was like, this is fantastic.
39:54Yes.
39:55It's all good.
39:56And I was like, I'm accomplishing something if they believe me and, and weird.
40:02It was on a lot of levels.
40:03It was very odd.
40:05So I'm curious how this made you think differently about your day job, because I like the fact
40:10that you talk about as a performer, your instinct is to go up there and get the laugh or
40:13is to go up there and like, you know, entertain and do the song and dance.
40:17Something.
40:17Yeah.
40:17And this is forcing you in order to play these scenes the way they need to be played.
40:21This is forcing you to sit in that uncomfortable silence or to kind of feel your way through
40:25this in front of a crowd in real time.
40:27So how did this make you think differently about acting?
40:30Well, well, it's funny you say that that was now that I think about it, that was kind of
40:34like the beginning in a lot of ways of trying to connect with this character.
40:42And that was the beginning of this next phase of making the film coming out of writing.
40:49And because Bradley stopped me, he knew, he knows me well, and he knew that left to my
40:58own devices that I probably would try to figure out a way to bail myself out and make a joke
41:04and figure out a way to be funny or in some cheap ass way.
41:09And he stopped me.
41:14We'd done two, we'd done, I'd done two sets in Austin at Mothership.
41:19Then we came back and started doing every night at the cellar.
41:23And he stopped me that first night at the cellar.
41:27He put his hand on me as I was about, and he said, we're doing something different.
41:32Different than?
41:34Than what you think you're not going up there to do.
41:37Don't worry about trying to make them laugh.
41:40Don't worry about your going up there and being you and trying to honor whatever you
41:47think that they think about you or that you need to be a funny dude.
41:51We're here to work on this.
41:53We're doing something different.
41:55And I got, that's all he said to me.
41:57And I totally got it in that moment.
41:59I went, right.
41:59And it kind of gave me the license to just not worry about all that shit and not have to
42:06go out there and be funny, but to go out there and absorb the silence, have it be awkward
42:11and know that it was, that was okay.
42:15Because it's scary to go out there and to just be dry and say, I don't have any jokes.
42:22Think I'm getting a divorce.
42:23People don't know how to react.
42:25It's funny.
42:25Like when we shot that first scene of Alex going up and they take me from upstairs and
42:31then they catch me downstairs at a different camera and go on stage, you know, all one
42:34big long.
42:36The audiences are paid SAG background actors, but they're told nothing.
42:45You're at a comedy club.
42:48Laugh if you want to laugh.
42:49Don't laugh if you don't want to laugh.
42:51Be an audience.
42:52That's it.
42:53Go with it.
42:53So it was, it was, it was like a real audience trying to figure out what the fuck was going
42:59on.
42:59I don't know how familiar you are with podcasts, but you know, Mark Maron obviously did what
43:05the fuck for WTF for ages.
43:07And it's amazing how you listen to those podcasts that he did, where he would talk to other standups
43:12and stuff, or just him talking about, you know, what it was like to be in that game for
43:17decades.
43:18And it consistently hammered the idea that you're naked and vulnerable up there.
43:24Even if you've got a really good, you know, a good set with a really great closer, it's
43:30just you.
43:31It's just you and that audience and that microphone.
43:33Yeah, it is.
43:34It is.
43:35You know, I, I bombed a few times.
43:38It wasn't great.
43:39And one night, spectacularly, one night we did, we did a bunch of jokes, kind of a fun,
43:47every once in a while we do stuff that we had written that, that's not in the movie.
43:52And it was me and Bradley and our buddy Bob, who's a former standup and he writes a lot
43:57and he writes for a lot of standups and he's hilarious comedy writer.
44:00So we go one night on a Saturday night, go to the cellar, to the main room downstairs,
44:06kills.
44:09Great, right?
44:10Great jokes.
44:11And Liz, who plays herself in the film, is the manager over there who works for us.
44:14Right.
44:16Liz says, you can go around the corner of the underground.
44:18We're like, great.
44:18And meanwhile, we've, we've come off, I've killed, I keep saying we, I mean, it was a
44:24we.
44:25I'm going to do a standup special.
44:26It's going to be amazing.
44:27I'm going to write more material.
44:28We're going to kill it.
44:29After this, are you kidding?
44:30Can I have a quick, we go around the corner five minutes later, same material to the bar
44:35right next to the fat black pussycat.
44:38I mean, I would have paid handsomely for a cricket.
44:44It was so quiet.
44:46And the bomb of all bombs.
44:47Yeah.
44:48And, and I've told this before and the only laughter I can hear in the back is Bradley
44:51and Bob, of course, dying.
44:52They're just killing themselves because they know you're falling flat on your face.
44:56And I'm up there bombing.
44:58And it's so scary.
45:02And I mean, I've been not good before at stuff.
45:06So it's not like I'm not, I'm not, I'm familiar with failure, but this was like, it's so solitary
45:16when you're up there in front of them.
45:18You can't hide behind the mic stand.
45:20These things aren't wide enough to hide your, your carcass.
45:25And he was rough, man.
45:28And I thought like, I, I, there was a moment where I thought like, don't you, I'll just put the mic on the stand and just leave.
45:33But now I can't.
45:35But then the flip is once you get through that, it's kind of absurdly funny to you, not to them.
45:41And I'm kind of like, okay, trying another joke.
45:45Nothing.
45:46Okay, great.
45:47Um, and I'm kind of, I'm sort of chuckling to myself, finish, go off.
45:53And at that point you'd think that you'd go home and kind of feel crappy about yourself.
45:57I actually felt pretty good.
45:59Really?
46:00Yeah.
46:01Cause at that point I felt kind of like impervious to criticism.
46:05Yeah.
46:06No, you're Teflon at that point.
46:07Yeah.
46:07I'm like, no, no, no.
46:08I just went, I just had 50 people not laugh at everything I said.
46:13And the objective was to make them laugh.
46:16And I, and I didn't curry a snicker.
46:20So.
46:21After that.
46:22Yeah.
46:23God, say, say your worst, man.
46:24I'm good.
46:25Yeah, I know.
46:26I mean, it's, there's definitely a difference between like the
46:28character you played and flaked, which you've been very open about how some of the things
46:32that were being portrayed in that show was stuff that you were actually dealing with as
46:37well.
46:37And that, you know, there was a kind of a back and forth there, a little bit of a blurring
46:41line.
46:41Sure.
46:41Whereas this seems more like, you know, you're, you're in your mid fifties.
46:46You feel like you've talked to so much as you've been doing press for this about how
46:50your kids have become your baseline and it's helped you change priorities and stuff.
46:53And like, when you see the performance, I feel that you're giving in this thing and playing
46:58the father and all that kind of stuff.
46:59It's easy to, it's easy to see where those lines are getting blurred as well, but it's
47:03not in a kind of like, does he need help?
47:05Should we call somebody?
47:06No, no.
47:07And also like, I didn't, I didn't, this story existed.
47:11This is inspired by a true story.
47:13So it's not like I'm like, right.
47:14Hey, I need to figure out how to grapple with stuff that's going on in my life.
47:18That's not, that wasn't the impetus for this.
47:20It was much more, um, I love this story.
47:23I love the story of these two people who kind of figure out a way to re reunite and reconnect.
47:28I love that part of it.
47:29And, but this is truly me, uh, playing a character and trying to figure out this, this character.
47:37I mean, I'm vastly different from Alex in a lot of ways.
47:41I think he'd probably, he wouldn't live my life, nor would I live, live his.
47:46I can't believe that you started prep for this in January of this year and then filmed
47:52it and then premiered it at the New York film festival.
47:55And now it's coming out.
47:57And someone had mentioned like, this has been a crazy year for you.
48:01And I think the response that you had, and again, I'm paraphrasing here was something
48:05along the lines of like, it's been one of the most intense transformative years of my
48:09life, but not just as an actor or an artist.
48:11It's just been transformative for me as a person period.
48:15Yeah.
48:16So how so?
48:17Well, in every way, um, I learned a lot, like going through and doing something that was
48:21challenging as an artist and acting in this, in this piece in a really vulnerable way and
48:30forcing myself to be really vulnerable in a way that I haven't, you know, you could say
48:35flakes was a precursor in that sense a little bit, but this was a much more really working
48:40with Bradley in this way really helped open me up as, as a performer in the sense that
48:46I wanted to give like a really naturalistic and genuine performance and really, really
48:50try to access what was going on with this guy.
48:53And it, the process of doing that, I think helped me shed a lot of stuff that I'd done
49:00for years and as a person too.
49:02And, and, and I've mentioned this before, um, what Alex ended up going through in the
49:09film and by doing standup and how that opened him up, I realized one, at one point that I
49:16was having a similar experience as an actor.
49:20I came back to my apartment and I was like, holy fuck, I'm having like on a, on a parallel
49:27track.
49:28I'm kind of having this same experience, which was really cool by being vulnerable in this
49:32way and by, by really connecting with this character and trying to be, I shed a certain
49:36degree of my cynicism about a lot of stuff.
49:40Um, and it may, it reconnected me with the feeling of, that I had when I first moved here
49:4835 years ago and I just, I've been just, I don't know, it kind of made me feel like
49:54a kid again.
49:55It made me, I was doing it for the love of it.
49:58I certainly didn't do this for the money.
50:00I didn't make, you know, any, it was a small budget film.
50:03We shot for 33 days and it was an incredible experience on every level.
50:08And I'm like, wow.
50:09And I never, I didn't go, I went into it with the intention of just wanting to make it.
50:16And then I got to make it with two of my closest friends and Mark Chappell and Bradley and have
50:21him take me through this really intense material that, that we created together with the only
50:29expectation was to make it.
50:31That was amazing.
50:33Everything else is, is just kind of noise.
50:36That part about it, that part of it is just the creating of it has totally reinvigorated me.
50:43And it brought me back to New York where now I'm spending a lot more, more of my time
50:47here now.
50:48It's been pretty awesome.
50:51We used to do this bit back, Bradley and I would do it with our buddy, Brian, standing
50:56on the street in Santa Monica 20, 25 years ago.
51:01And it's the guy who was like talking to his friend and he goes, are you kidding?
51:04I'm having the time of my life.
51:06It's the best.
51:06I've never been better.
51:08And then steps off the curb and gets it by a bus.
51:10I can't think of a better place to end this interview.
51:14Will Arnett, thank you for being on the Rolling Stone interview.
51:16It was super fun.
51:17Thank you for having me.
51:18You got it.
51:21Chris, good rehearsal.
51:23Let's roll.
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