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The big focus of the episode of Newstrack is the escalating political war over controversial slogans chanted by Congress workers.
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00:00big war erupts over Congress rally shocker Congress workers chant modi
00:12teri kabra khudegi what did they recover could be what did they recover could be a
00:20minute ago today dissent or hate speech
00:26BJP asks is this mohapat kid con a problem three kick it off
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00:54Battle lines over death to Modi chants.
01:00Modi Kabra chant face-off.
01:03Top focus on Newstrak.
01:10This is the Newstrak and I'm Maria Shaquille.
01:13That's our top story this hour.
01:14But first up, there's a piece of brahi news which is coming in now.
01:17The Delhi Chief Minister Rekha Gupta was allegedly booed at the Arunjaitli Stadium in Delhi.
01:25The Ahmadinejee party is in fact claiming that the AQI chants against Delhi Chief Minister at Messi's event.
01:33Ahmadinejee party says that the Delhi Chief Minister was booed at Messi's event because of poor AQI.
01:40That is the air quality index.
01:42The Ahmadinejee party says that the tired Delhiites in fact booed Rekha Gupta over poor AQI or the air quality.
01:50The fact is that Delhi has turned into a gas chamber.
01:55It is almost unbreathable at the moment.
01:58Let's listen in to what exactly was that booing that is being alleged by the Ahmadinejee party and then I bring in the reporters.
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02:29Remember, this video has been put out by the Ahmadi party.
02:39Was it really some kind of booing that happened against the Delhi Chief Minister?
02:43Harshit Aiuja joins me now.
02:45Harshit, you were on the ground.
02:47Tell us how the event unfolded.
02:51So there's only one thing that I can confirm with a great deal of certainty.
02:55And this is basis my experience throughout the day.
02:58I'd gone to the stadium at 10 in the morning.
03:01I exited it in the evening, 6.30 after everything got wrapped up.
03:06There were two instances of resentment that I heard.
03:09There were two instances throughout the day, which was in many ways a day full of celebration, full of vibrancy.
03:15There were only two moments in which I heard there being some sort of resentment.
03:19And those were boos.
03:20Those were boos that were very clearly audible for everyone who was there inside the stadium.
03:26And both those instances involved the Delhi Chief Minister.
03:29The moment that the Chief Minister crossed the rope and made her way towards the podium,
03:34that's where there was a brief moment of booing.
03:36The other instance was after having spent a few minutes on the stage,
03:40felicitating not just Leo Messi, but Rodrigo de Paul and Luis Suarez.
03:44And then there was some photo op that happened as well.
03:47After those few minutes that the Chief Minister then had spent at the podium and was then coming off it again,
03:53crossing the rope and going outside the stadium, that was the second instance of there being booing.
04:00So, yes, the booing did happen and it was very much directed at the Delhi Chief Minister.
04:05All right, thank you for joining us.
04:07Shifting focus to our top story this hour.
04:11There was water words which happened in the Parliament today.
04:16And this was over the controversial chance by Congress workers yesterday.
04:21The ruckus in the Lok Sabha escalated to the point where the House was adjourned,
04:25disrupting parliamentary proceedings.
04:26This comes after a shocking slogan was raised at a Congress rally in Delhi.
04:31Congress workers chanted death for Modi chants, which have triggered outrage.
04:38The BJP has stressed that this is hate speech and not dissent,
04:42asserting that death slogans against the Prime Minister crosses every democratic red line.
04:47But the Congress remains defiant, saying that this is the government's way of diverting attention from the issue of pollution.
04:53First up the story and then I bring in the guests.
04:56A massive political storm has erupted over shocking slogans raised at a Congress rally in Delhi.
05:13Modi teri kabr khudegi chants by some Congress workers have triggered outrage.
05:18The BJP reacted angrily, hitting out at Gandhi's and top Congress leadership.
05:31BJP called it hate speech and not dissent.
05:47BJP Chief J.P. Nadda and Union Minister Kiren Rijiju led a fierce showdown in Parliament,
05:53wondering if this is what Congress means by mohabbat ki dukaan.
05:57This is why Congress party's思ів and nostalgia are prepared for many things from them.
06:02They stand and their own theories, according to umaus истории and member papers,
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06:07state and government ministers andsto so-called their feelings for both of you and among others.
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06:14The Consussia probably is in the north.
06:15The envoy system should offer prevent Clinton and his gegen any kind ofです,
06:18for the report was definitely needed for the country.
06:20But the Congress remains defiant, refusing to apologise, insisting the chance reflect
06:45the reality of India today.
06:47Priyanka Gandhi hit back at the BJP and claimed that it is government's diversion from pollution
06:55issue.
07:17A section of Congress workers had made the controversial chance in 2023 during a protest.
07:42Leading Prime Minister Modi to slam personal attacks against him.
07:49Dissent turning into death threats or BJP using the chance to concede.
07:56The battle lines are clearly drawn and politics has hit a new low.
08:11Bureau report India Today.
08:26Joining me on the show tonight, Sanju Varma, National Spokesperson of the BJP, Dr. Pooja
08:36Tripathi representing the Congress.
08:38Sajjan Kumar is a political analyst, Rashid Kidwai author and political analyst.
08:43Before I bring in the politicians, Sajjan, beginning with you, any kind of political attack against
08:48the Prime Minister has always backfired.
08:52And these kind of churns, being normalised at a political event, certainly the Congress
08:57leadership has much to explain.
08:59Well, at one level, one could argue that this is a part of new normal wherein acrimonious
09:07exchange among the parties is a common occurring.
09:11But then this very chant, Modi teri kabr khute gi, aaz nahi toh kal khute gi, and this is a
09:18red line for Congress.
09:19Why?
09:19Because we have seen that that was never the semantics which was used in Congress.
09:24Because Congress, despite having certain centre-left leaning, never adhered to the chant which was
09:30always originated from a radical left.
09:34We have seen in universities like JNU, DU, Jadhapur, etc., wherein the radical left used
09:40to have such a kind of semantics.
09:41It was never mainstream within Congress, despite their differences with other party.
09:46You know, so that is why when you see it's not the top leadership, but rank and file of
09:50the Congress, who are chanting this sort of a slogan, it seems that the influence of
09:56left, not just the left, but rather the radical left, is percolating down to the rank and file.
10:04And this is a change in the very contour and culture of the Congress.
10:08And this is a worrisome sign, because when you adhere to the semantics and slogans that
10:13is not mainstream for a party like Congress, it seems that you are alienating from the mainstream,
10:19you are adhered to certain agenda, which sources cannot be traced to the origin of Congress.
10:26So, Rashid, one may say that it was not done from the dais, there was this crowd which chanted
10:31it.
10:32But how can it be allowed?
10:34Death chants for the Prime Minister or for any leader is a red line.
10:40And that cannot be crossed.
10:41And I tend to agree with Sajjan, if these kinds of slogans are being chanted by the rank and
10:46file that there is something horribly going wrong with the principal opposition party of
10:50this country.
10:51Absolutely, Maria.
10:52I think there should be zero tolerance and there should be criminal charges should be framed.
10:57The Congress, for its record, has distanced itself.
11:00And they have also said that they will be taking action against people who raise this.
11:05But there is also a great deal of trust deficit.
11:08There is no kind of thing to, you know, justify or explain this kind of remarks.
11:13But there are a lot of things that have been said.
11:16You know, Goli Mano Sanoko, responsible people made that remark.
11:20Bateenge to kateenge.
11:21It always had some kind of, you know, hate or toxic kind of, you know, messaging.
11:27So, I think the political class, as my friend Sajjan was saying, you know, have to unite and
11:32take a firm stand, zero tolerance, act against each and every individual.
11:36Whether you have a left leaning, I think the dragging left is not fair because, you know,
11:41they raise slogans, in Kalab, Zindabad, that doesn't mean they are asking for a, you know,
11:45a bloody revolution or so.
11:46So, therefore, I think it has nothing to do with left leaning or anything.
11:49No, in Kalab, Zindabad and to say that there should be Kabar Khodna is completely different
11:53here, Rashi.
11:54Absolutely.
11:54That is what Maria is saying.
11:55It is not justified.
11:55There should be criminal charges should be framed against the government.
11:59So, then in that case, then in that case, Pooja Tripathi, this was chanted at a Congress
12:05rally.
12:06Shouldn't the Congress then initiate criminal charges against those who chanted these slogans?
12:11You know, when you say that this Congress should not adhere to the slogan and semantics,
12:16did Congress adhere to it?
12:17Was it made from the Congress official dais?
12:21Was it our official line of the whole rally was vote-chor-gaddi-chor?
12:23And Congress has not only distanced itself.
12:26I am sure Congress will take action against us.
12:30Because we don't believe in the culture of, you know, this political mud-slinging.
12:34We don't indulge in
12:36Pachas-karor ki girlfriend or goli maro salo ko.
12:39We are not a party of that.
12:42We are not a party of that.
12:43No, take action.
12:45You have identified these people.
12:47These people who were chanting such slogans have been identified.
12:51Then there should be criminal investigation and criminal charges filed against them.
12:58Pachas-karor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor.
13:01Pachas-karor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor-gaddi-chor.
13:04Everybody has said that we don't believe in this.
13:07But let me ask you something.
13:08Let me turn the tables and then what BJP has done to Pinto Mohadev openly giving assassination
13:15threats to Rahul Gandhi on a live TV channels.
13:17What action BJP has taken on Sanjay Gaikwar who said that he's man-cutting.
13:22Okay, fine.
13:23Let all these questions be responded to by Sanju Verma.
13:28Maria, I heard the Congress spokesperson very intently and this is my rebuttal.
13:33First and foremost, each time the Congress is in the dock, it tries to normalize anti-Modi
13:40hatred by bringing examples from the past.
13:43Be that, I may release it barely two and a half back.
13:47There's a scene of Madhya Pradesh's leader by the name Raja Patia and he said in the public
13:53name, he said, Nareem Modi, when the death is not a man, this is a people-tantra and
13:58the death is a people-tantra and the death is a people-tantra.
14:11Then let's take the example.
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17:26You know,
17:26I always said
17:28governments need to be held accountable.
17:30Should you ask on pollution,
17:31of course,
17:32you have every right to do so,
17:34but this Rahul Gandhi,
17:37who was accountancy,
17:39he didn't have the basic courtesy
17:41of attending the overtaking Sydney
17:43of the current president
17:45?
17:47This is the
17:48This is the Siv Rahul Rani who at the start of the campaign was in Malaysia, right in the
18:00middle of the Bihar campaign, went to Peru, Colombia, and Brazil, and after the Bihar
18:04loss, instead of standing shoulder with Haryakarta, it was the holiday musket.
18:11This is the same Rahul Rani who is not present in the day, but is this support.
18:29This is the same Rahul Rani who is not present in the day, pertaining to employment, inflation.
18:35And let me tell you, when Gorgogoi moved the impeachment or no-confidence motions in Modi
18:41government of Lok Sabha 24, this is them, Rahul Gandhi, who actually went and...
18:47Okay, Pooja, respond quickly and then I'll give the last word to the two analysts on the
18:51show.
18:51I could not hear Ms. Verma's comments properly.
18:55There's some audio glitch.
18:56But let me ask you one simple question is, Rahul Gandhi responsible for tackling pollution
19:01issue, Rekha Gupta ji, Narendra Modi ji, and our environment minister, who is busy managing
19:06campaigns in different states, to be responsible for tackling air pollution.
19:10We are breathing 25 cigarettes a day.
19:12And here is somebody who is reminding us...
19:14After losing Bihar, he goes holiday to Bhak.
19:17And then he had the...
19:18That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:19That's it.
19:20Rahul Gandhi is our loser.
19:22What is a national emergency?
19:24High-time government should realize that it's a national emergency.
19:27See, we all are prone to, we all are leaving a rough election of the parliament.
19:33He will become the minister of this country.
19:35On Friday, on Friday, Sajan, on Friday, there was a lot of hope that the parliament in this
19:44week, because this is the last week of the winter session, will be taking up an issue which
19:49is so integral for every citizen because of the quality of air that we are breathing in
19:54the national capital region.
19:55That has been put on the back burner because there was something which is extremely polarizing
20:01which has happened now.
20:03The question is that the Congress leadership must explain mere distancing from what has
20:08happened will not help because this happened in their presence at a venue which was chosen
20:15by them.
20:16These are workers of the Congress party.
20:18And I agree with you that this is a reflection of perhaps Congress ideology taking a shift,
20:23which should be even more concerning for the larger Congress ecosystem and the Congress
20:29leadership.
20:30But what does it do to the debate on something as crucial as pollution?
20:34Yes, precisely, because what is happening that cultural issues or issues which involves ideology
20:42always gives politician across the political spectrum more thrill than the existential and
20:49mundane issues like pollution.
20:51And this is all the more worrisome because India has claimed to be one of the anchor of international
20:57initiative to cut down the global carbon emission going green.
21:02So you seem to have a paradox.
21:04At the one hand, India is claiming to be the leader of being climate sensitive, trying to bring green initiatives at the forefront.
21:14And in everyday life, what we are witnessing is a regular recurring AQI, which is around 400 and
21:22perhaps more.
21:23Right.
21:23So certainly these should have been issues which should matter.
21:27But we also witness it is the problem of the political mobilization culture wherein the cultural
21:34issues always helps politician mobilize and galvanize the voters more than the issues which matters
21:41to for our livelihood and life, you know, and that is why in this winter session, you see, we had debate on SIR.
21:48We had debate on one day matram and they should not be framed into binary.
21:53There should not be culture versus economy, but there has to be culture and, you know, health, culture and economy,
21:59this sort of thing.
22:00Unfortunately, we do not find either prime opposition party, the Congress or the ruling party, the BJP, giving due primacy to the issues.
22:09They always blame the other for bringing and neglecting the crucial issues, but never champion the issue.
22:15Okay.
22:16Just enough time, just enough time for Rashid.
22:18Please go ahead, Rashid.
22:19So, I think as far as pollution is concerned, it is solely the government's, you know, domain to look into it.
22:27In my understanding, they have no solution.
22:29And therefore, a kind of, you know, diversity tactics are used and all those social and cultural issues are raised.
22:35Hate has no place.
22:36But, you know, the Congress cannot act against the culprit.
22:39It is for the law of the land.
22:41The police in Delhi, police in Jaipur can act.
22:44And both places, the BJP has the, you know, administrative capacity to do that.
22:50Why do they expect?
22:51The Congress cannot file an FIR.
22:53The Congress can only take a disciplinary action against the culprit, which is like suspending or so.
22:58So, therefore, the BJP doesn't want to act upon, they just want to perpetuate this, that a wrong is being committed and the Congress is not sincere and to take, you know, the thunder away from the pollution issue.
23:10Okay, Sanju, Sanju.
23:11Ms. Sanju Varma.
23:13You know, I don't understand when Rashid Kidwai says that the BJP is not taking action.
23:18Of course, the BJP will take action.
23:20But my limited point is today, Mr. Kidwai, can you change not training guns on BJP and current Manju Ramana, who said Modi, Tehri Prat Khudegi, and not to Kal Khudegi.
23:31Can you...
23:32Can you...
23:33Can you...
23:34Can you...
23:35Can you...
23:36Can you...
23:41Can you...
23:44All right, Dr. Sanju Varma.
23:47Pooja Tripathi.
23:48Why do you always put pressure against the BJP...
23:50Rashid Kidwai and Sajjan Kumar, really appreciate your time.
23:53Thank you so much for joining us on this broadcast.
23:56That's all from me.
23:56We'll be seeing whether the Parliament functions tomorrow or whether the Treasury benches will insist on an apology to come directly from Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.
24:07That's all from me.
24:07We are putting out this entire debate on our website.
24:11Thanks so much for watching.
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