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The Lok Sabha on Wednesday witnessed dramatic scenes as women MPs from the opposition marched towards the Treasury benches holding banners ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's scheduled reply to the discussion on the Motion of Thanks on the President's address.
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00:00Okay, let's raise the big question there.
00:02Is there now a total breakdown in government opposition ties yet again in Parliament?
00:08Is the Lok Sabha Speaker partly responsible?
00:10Is he really a neutral umpire or biased?
00:12What will it take and who is going to now restore trust between the two sides?
00:16Just some of the questions that we will raise.
00:18Manikam Tagore is a Lok Sabha Congress MP, Deputy Whip of the party,
00:23who's also been suspended among the MPs,
00:25who's been suspended because he allegedly tore the papers in front of the speaker.
00:30He's smiling at the moment, so he's not apologetic.
00:33Aparujita Sarangi is Senior Lok Sabha BJP MP.
00:36I appreciate both of you joining us.
00:38Manikam Tagore, to you first.
00:40When I mentioned that you have been suspended for tearing the papers in front of the speaker yesterday,
00:46you're smiling at the moment.
00:48Is this the approach that you're going to take that you don't care,
00:51you're going to just make sure now that because Rahul Gandhi was not allowed to speak,
00:56you're not going to let Narendra Modi speak.
00:58Today, your MPs were gherowing the Prime Minister's chair with placards,
01:02which again is against the parliamentary rules.
01:06Good evening.
01:07We need to understand that the discussion on the President's address started well.
01:12One hour of the discussion where two BJP leaders spoke.
01:18Sarvanand Sulwalji and Bangalore South MP Tejasvi Surya.
01:25Surya also spoke many things about imaginary stories,
01:29attacking Congress, Congress leadership and others.
01:32There was no, we were not at all getting angry with these kind of things,
01:36not allowing him to speak, all these kind of things,
01:39disturbance, nothing we were doing.
01:40But when Leader of Opposition was stopped,
01:44when Leader of Opposition wanted to speak,
01:46when Defence Minister started to behave like that,
01:48when Home Minister started to jump,
01:50when Parliamentary Affairs Minister again and again started to jump,
01:54then when they had a planned story
01:56that they will not allow the Leader of Opposition to speak,
01:59and next day, when that was pushed to the next level,
02:02that they will not allow Leader of Opposition to,
02:06after authenticating the letter also,
02:08he will not be allowed to speak and they will call the next party,
02:12the TMC party.
02:13Then TMC refuses to speak.
02:15Then Samadhiwadi they call it.
02:17Samadhiwadi colleagues refuse to speak.
02:19Then they call DMK colleagues.
02:21DMK colleague refuses to speak.
02:23All the opposition parties' voices are silenced.
02:25Then they call it TDPMT.
02:28The rules are broken there.
02:30The rule paper has become only a paper there.
02:33What I was hearing was only a paper.
02:35It was not rule.
02:36It was just,
02:37there was a bogus thing this house has become
02:39that the government is pressurizing the Honorable Chair.
02:43We respect the Honorable Chair.
02:45The Honorable Speaker has not come to the Chair yesterday also,
02:49and today also.
02:51Because completely the government is pressurizing the Honorable Speaker's Chair.
02:56Lot of pressure is going on.
02:58Nishikar Dubey,
02:59the habitual offender,
03:01has been given the mic
03:02when Leader of Opposition is not able to get the mic today.
03:06And he is quoting six books.
03:08I allowed you to have a full run on it,
03:12but does that justify tearing papers in front of the Speaker,
03:17putting placards in where the Prime Minister is about to speak?
03:21I mean, is there no attempt being made to go to the Speaker,
03:24go to his room,
03:24you're a Deputy Chief,
03:25go and tell him what you're doing is unfair.
03:28We believe that Rahul Gandhi must be allowed to speak.
03:30Is there no backroom talk at all between you and the Speaker's office?
03:34Is there a complete breakdown?
03:35No, we are very democratic in nature.
03:39Today also they went.
03:40Today also our leadership went.
03:42I am a suspended MP,
03:43therefore I have not gone to meet the Honorable Speaker.
03:46Today also KC Venu Gopalji,
03:47Priyanka Gandhi and Deepinder Hudda,
03:51all of our leaders,
03:52Kesh Ureji,
03:52all of them went,
03:53Javid, my colleague,
03:54they all went.
03:57They said what Nishikar Dubey is doing is completely unacceptable.
04:01This is against all the rules.
04:03Rules are becoming just papers.
04:04It is not being followed.
04:05You're saying the fact that Nishikar Dubey was showing books.
04:08You're saying the fact that Nishikar Dubey was allowed to show books targeting the Congress
04:12versus your leader not being allowed to show a book of,
04:16unpublished book of General Naravne.
04:18Am I correct?
04:19The problem is that they asked for authenticating that book itself.
04:25The whole discussion would have gone smoothly.
04:28If when the defensive minister asked that whether you will authenticate it,
04:32leader of opposition said that,
04:34yes, I will authenticate it.
04:36And he gave next day authentication also.
04:38Before that,
04:39there was a meeting with Honorable Speaker.
04:40where he explained that our leader of opposition will give it authentication also.
04:46Therefore, we have to understand it.
04:47There is,
04:48we are ready to walk to that level.
04:49Where this breaking down is from the government part.
04:52Government is becoming more arrogant.
04:54They are,
04:55Mr. Kiran Reju completely is failing as parliamentary affairs minister.
04:58He is unable to face,
04:59it's a minority government,
05:01240 MPs are only there.
05:02They are able to manage another 40 MPs because of the help of EDCBA and other fund issues and others.
05:08That is the way they are able to manage the government.
05:11They are not able to see the whole India block with 239 MPs as united force.
05:15We are very clear that the insult to leader of opposition is an insult to opposition parties.
05:20Okay.
05:21I have heard you now.
05:22Aparajita Sarangi,
05:23I have heard the opposition leader now to you.
05:26It's very interesting that you get Nishikan Dubey to put out books
05:30where on Bofors,
05:33on allegedly Indira Gandhi's links with KGB
05:36and there the person in the chair says nothing.
05:39He is freely allowed,
05:40I am showing those pictures,
05:41he is freely allowed to talk about the books
05:43but Rahul Gandhi cannot speak on a book
05:44except of which are in a magazine.
05:47So technically it's a published work,
05:49the magazine is a published work.
05:51Is it now that the government also has decided,
05:54okay,
05:54if Rahul Gandhi is going to embarrass us in some way,
05:57we will also embarrass them
05:58and use Nishikan Dubey.
06:00End result,
06:01the Prime Minister of the country was also not allowed to speak today.
06:08A very good evening.
06:11Budget session has just begun.
06:13We had the presidential address on 28th of last month
06:17and three days are already lost.
06:21I think all of us must accept this
06:24and must acknowledge this.
06:26Now having said that,
06:27let me tell you that
06:28since the time Rahul Gandhiji stood up
06:34and started showing some unpublished material,
06:37the ruckus in the Lok Sabha was created.
06:41Now let me tell you,
06:42let me give you an instance what happened yesterday.
06:45In fact,
06:45most of us know what had been happening
06:47for the past two,
06:48three days.
06:49Last day,
06:51yesterday,
06:51there was an instance
06:52which I would like to share with you.
06:54I was in the Lok Sabha
06:56looking at the proceedings
06:58of the Lok Sabha.
07:00There was complete mayhem everywhere.
07:03And then suddenly,
07:05the LOP says,
07:06I am the leader of opposition.
07:09Do you think I need permission
07:11from the chair to speak?
07:13Believe me,
07:15I am a second time parliamentarian.
07:17I was aghast.
07:19I mean,
07:19the Honorable Prime Minister,
07:21when he stands up to speak,
07:24he seeks the permission of the chair.
07:26Whosoever may be sitting in the chair
07:27is presiding over the house.
07:30Now here is an LOP
07:31who says,
07:33does he need permission
07:34because he is the LOP?
07:35Now this is facts of arrogance.
07:37This is absolutely adamant behavior.
07:40And I would also say
07:42that this smacks of ignorance
07:44of the rules of Lok Sabha.
07:47Now we are all guided as parliamentarians.
07:49Ma'am,
07:50what happens if the speaker
07:51is seen to be brazenly partisan?
07:53I take your point.
07:54But what happens
07:55if the speaker
07:56is seen to be brazenly partisan?
07:59The fact is,
07:59I have checked the rules
08:00in the past.
08:01People have been allowed
08:02to quote from newspapers,
08:04from magazines.
08:05Now it may be embarrassing
08:06to the government.
08:07Listen to him
08:08and then the Prime Minister
08:10has every reason
08:10to rip Rahul Gandhi apart
08:12in parliament.
08:13But the speaker
08:13seems to be acting
08:14as a 12th man
08:15for the government.
08:17That's not his role.
08:20Not at all.
08:21Not at all.
08:23See,
08:23let me get back to the rule.
08:243.49
08:25Rules of Procedure
08:27and Conduct of Business
08:28in the Lok Sabha
08:28which all of us
08:29have been quoting
08:30for the past 3-4 days.
08:32Now this particular rule
08:33says that
08:34no material,
08:35no newspaper
08:36can be read out
08:37if the matter so raised
08:39is not in connection
08:40with the business
08:41of the house.
08:42Now what was the business
08:43in the house?
08:44I think all of us
08:44must appreciate.
08:45I think speaker
08:46Sri Om Birlaji
08:47is absolutely right
08:48when he denied
08:49the LOP to speak.
08:53You know,
08:54when he asked LOP
08:55not to speak.
08:56Why so?
08:57Because the business
08:58in the house
08:58was motion of thanks
09:00on the presidential address.
09:02Now suddenly,
09:03since you want
09:03to talk about
09:04Indochina relationship,
09:06suddenly you want
09:07to talk about
09:07some internal security matter
09:09which have been
09:10in your mind
09:11for so long.
09:12You want to seize
09:13this as an opportunity.
09:15This is something
09:16which obviously
09:17any person
09:18sitting in the chair
09:19would not like.
09:21There is absolutely
09:22no partisan approach here.
09:23Should there be no attempt?
09:24Should there be no attempt,
09:25ma'am,
09:26should there be no attempt
09:29at some kind of
09:30backroom negotiations
09:31as often used to be the case?
09:32In the past,
09:33there would be enough
09:34mutual respect
09:35that you went to the,
09:36both sides went to
09:37the speaker's chamber
09:38and sorted it out.
09:39Now even that doesn't happen.
09:41There is absolutely
09:42no dialogue.
09:43See,
09:48Sri Kiran Rijuji
09:49yesterday stood up.
09:50Today there was
09:51absolutely no chance
09:52because there were
09:52four red Germans.
09:54Yesterday he stood up
09:55and he said
09:55that he met
09:56two senior leaders
09:58in his chamber.
09:59One of course
10:00he named
10:00Sri Keshivianogopalji
10:02and another
10:03very senior leader
10:03he named.
10:05He said
10:05they had come
10:06and we had discussion.
10:07It's not that
10:08backroom parlays
10:09don't take place.
10:10The point is
10:11it's a question
10:12of their relevance.
10:13They want to stop
10:14Prime Minister
10:14from talking.
10:16Now what does it prove?
10:17See,
10:17he's the Prime Minister
10:18of the country.
10:19You may like it
10:20or not like it
10:21but he has been chosen
10:22by the people
10:22for the third time.
10:24He's extremely popular.
10:25We have to accept it
10:26and acknowledge it.
10:28But Rahul Gandhi
10:28should also get the
10:29leader of the Lok Sabha.
10:31But similarly
10:32you must be ready
10:33to listen to Rahul Gandhi
10:34and they must be ready
10:34to listen to the Prime Minister.
10:37I have
10:38I have all respect
10:41for leader of opposition
10:42Sri Rahul Gandhiji
10:43not saying no.
10:45And all the while
10:46the chair
10:46kept on saying
10:48we want to listen
10:48to the LOP.
10:50But then you know
10:50showing that book
10:51showing that unpublished material
10:53whatever it was
10:54related to
10:55Indochina conflict
10:56what was the need?
10:58What was the relevance?
10:59That is the whole issue.
11:01So I think
11:01if he would have
11:02delivered his pick
11:03whether it is relevant
11:04one after the other
11:05Whether it is relevant
11:07or not
11:07you know
11:08there are ways
11:09parliament has ways
11:10in which you can
11:11address those issues.
11:12It need not be
11:13that you stop an individual
11:14but Manikam Takor
11:15the feeling is
11:16Rahul Gandhi
11:17according to the government
11:18is this permanently
11:18angry young man
11:19and now the word
11:20used by Aparujita
11:21is arrogant.
11:22That if he is not
11:23allowed to speak
11:24on his terms
11:25then he is not
11:26going to accept
11:27the ruling
11:28of the speaker.
11:28And even outside
11:29the parliament
11:30we saw what happened
11:31today
11:31the fraka
11:32with Ravneet Bittu
11:34is any of this
11:35really necessary?
11:36Why have any of this?
11:38Is it really necessary?
11:40Three things
11:41I have to answer
11:42you have to give me time
11:43my learned colleague
11:45is a very
11:46respected person
11:47and she said
11:49about the rule
11:49and quoted about
11:50books being
11:51displayed
11:52Ma'am
11:54we are asking
11:55the same rule
11:55what happened
11:56to that same rule
11:57with Nishina Dube
11:58why that rule
11:59doesn't get implemented
12:00in that time?
12:02because Nishina Dube
12:04was putting out
12:05published books
12:05Rahul Gandhi
12:06had put out
12:07an unpublished book
12:08is the argument
12:09given by the
12:09speaker's chair.
12:11No it's not like that.
12:12This is a published book.
12:13Rahul Gandhi
12:14was having a physical book
12:15which he will present
12:16in tomorrow
12:16whenever Mr. Modi
12:17is coming
12:18and he went
12:19to present
12:20to honorable speaker
12:21also that same book.
12:22That's an advanced copy
12:23that was eventually
12:24not published
12:25but the point
12:25I am making
12:26Manikam Tagore
12:27the argument being made
12:28is that the congress
12:29party is saying
12:30my way or the highway.
12:31The government
12:32is also saying
12:32that I am not saying
12:33government is also saying
12:34my way or the highway
12:35then how will we
12:36have parliament function?
12:38We want the parliament
12:39one hour of the parliament
12:40function.
12:41Who blocked the
12:41opposition leader
12:42from speaking?
12:43The question is that only.
12:44We need to understand
12:45when JHSP Surya
12:46was making all kind
12:47of wild allegations
12:48when the cabinet minister
12:50when he started
12:51Sarbanand Sonwalji
12:52spoke
12:53when he alleged
12:54that congress
12:54has neglected
12:55the North East
12:56nobody disturbed.
12:57We sat and listened
12:58to their fake narratives
13:00but what we have to
13:01understand it
13:02when leader of opposition
13:03speaks
13:03they are not ready
13:04to allow him to speak
13:05then the person
13:06the ex-DGP
13:08of Andhra Pradesh
13:08who was in chair
13:09the tone he used it
13:11I had permitted you
13:12for this purpose
13:13I will not permit you
13:14this is not the tone
13:15of the honourable speaker
13:17you need to understand it
13:19who is the
13:19honourable speaker
13:21right
13:22he elected
13:24honourable speaker
13:24and honourable speaker
13:26is the person
13:27he deputes somebody
13:28as chair
13:28their language
13:30is the problem
13:30regarding the
13:32arrogance part
13:33you said
13:33then third
13:33I will come to you
13:34the third thing
13:35we have to understand
13:36it
13:36your visuals will show
13:37where we were sitting
13:39I am one of the
13:39suspended MPs
13:40my learned colleague
13:41has passed through
13:42in the morning also
13:43and the afternoon also
13:44she has passed through
13:45when we are protesting
13:46we were sitting
13:48and there is no disturbance
13:50there were
13:50few of our BJP MPs
13:52will comment on us
13:53we will have a comment
13:54sarcastic comment
13:56passed like this
13:56Mrs. Nirmala Sitaraman
13:58passed through us
13:59there was no comments exchanged
14:00Randa Singhji passed over
14:01no comments were exchanged
14:02he told that
14:04Geetra Okarge
14:05he went on
14:05therefore
14:06these are all the
14:07people who behaved
14:09dignified
14:10what Bittu
14:11did it
14:12when he was
14:12walking from that
14:13he is saying
14:14he is insulting
14:14two Punjab MPs
14:30who are sitting there
14:31as suspended MPs
14:32how can his name
14:33like this
14:34the problem is
14:35very sad
14:37we are now getting news
14:38that there may be
14:38no Prime Minister's speech
14:40also in the Lok Sabha
14:41so
14:41Aparajita Sarangi
14:42the feeling I get is that
14:43while Rahul Gandhi
14:45you accuse of being arrogant
14:47there is a feeling
14:47that Prime Minister Modi
14:48also is contemptuous
14:50of the opposition
14:50that he doesn't care
14:52even if he does
14:53this will be the first time
14:55in the history
14:55this will be the first time
14:57in the history
14:57of the Lok Sabha
14:58that the Prime Minister
14:59will not speak
15:00in a motion of thanks
15:02is this the kind of
15:03precedent you want to set
15:04please allow me to
15:09disagree with you
15:10today
15:11Honorable Prime Minister
15:12wanted to speak
15:13right
15:14on dot
15:155pm
15:16and we were all
15:17waiting
15:18you are aware of that
15:19and suddenly
15:20the women
15:22parliamentarians
15:23of the Congress
15:23came with a
15:24big banner
15:26with something
15:27written on it
15:27and they blocked
15:29the pathway
15:30of the Honorable
15:31Prime Minister
15:32to his chair
15:32we all went there
15:34believe me
15:34I was also one of those
15:36you can see the video
15:37I was aghast
15:38I didn't know
15:38what was happening
15:39and then I went to
15:40that particular point
15:42all other parliamentarians
15:43from our side
15:44from treasury benches
15:45were also there
15:46we didn't know
15:46what was a ruckus
15:47what was happening
15:48and these ladies
15:50with all regards
15:51for them
15:51they almost blocked
15:52the path
15:52now how does
15:53the Prime Minister
15:54come to the chair
15:55to speak
15:56now if he would have
15:57come
15:58there would have
15:59been some more
16:00unpleasantness
16:01some untoward
16:02incident in the
16:03Lok Sabha
16:03and then it would
16:05have actually
16:05got blown up
16:06so maybe I think
16:07in the fitness of
16:08things Prime Minister
16:09chose not to come
16:10what stops Rahul Gandhi
16:12and Prime Minister
16:13but we all wanted
16:14you see the problem
16:14is in the past
16:15ma'am leader of the
16:16opposition and the
16:17government had
16:18respect for each other
16:19or the Prime Minister
16:19and the leader of
16:20the opposition
16:20they could talk
16:21to each other
16:21now they don't even
16:22talk to each other
16:23I am being very
16:25clear about this
16:26they should be
16:27picking up
16:27and Treasury
16:28Bench's
16:28Rijuju
16:29should be calling
16:30a meeting
16:30where the Prime
16:31Minister and Rahul
16:32Gandhi are present
16:33sort this out
16:33this is not the
16:34way a parliament
16:35should run
16:35ma'am with due
16:36regard
16:36Mr. Rijuju
16:37should pick up
16:38the phone
16:38and Rahul Gandhi
16:40and the Prime
16:40Minister should
16:41talk to each other
16:42and sort it out
16:43see it is easier said
16:48than done
16:49when you see the
16:50other side
16:51displaying such
16:53undignified behaviour
16:55do you think you
16:56will feel like
16:57calling up the
16:58person concerned
16:58I mean dignity
17:00dignity of the
17:00Lok Sabha
17:01has to be honoured
17:01and we all have
17:03to behave
17:04in a befitting
17:05manner
17:06you know it is
17:07extremely important
17:08and whatever they
17:09have been doing
17:09completely unbecoming
17:11of parliamentarians
17:12and they have to
17:13agree to that
17:14you know they may
17:14like they may not
17:15like but I think
17:16they have to agree
17:17to that every time
17:18the opposition
17:19parliamentarians
17:21will come over
17:21to this side
17:22when our leaders
17:23are speaking
17:23any minister
17:24speaking
17:25they would come
17:26over
17:26you know today
17:27when honourable
17:28commerce minister
17:29was reading out
17:30from a piece of
17:31paper
17:31all these people
17:33came and you
17:33know showed
17:34the placards
17:35what is this
17:36going on
17:37why should you
17:37be coming over
17:38to this side
17:39there is a way
17:40of you know
17:40registering your
17:41either way
17:42what I am seeing
17:42you cannot just
17:43disrupt a speaker
17:44you will blame them
17:45they will blame you
17:46at the end of the
17:47day another day
17:48in the country's
17:49parliamentary history
17:50has been lost
17:51and wasted
17:51and now the news
17:52comes that the
17:53motion of thanks
17:54on president's
17:55address will be
17:55passed without
17:56the prime minister's
17:58speech taking place
17:59which is unprecedented
18:00in the history
18:02of the Lok Sabha
18:03and a sad day
18:04in many ways
18:05if this is what
18:06our Lok Sabha
18:07has been reduced
18:08to a complete
18:09breakdown in trust
18:11between the government
18:12and the opposition
18:13the opposition leader's
18:14speech was not
18:15allowed to be completed
18:16and now we are told
18:17the prime minister
18:19will also not speak
18:21who is to blame
18:22what is one to say
18:24thank you both very much
18:26though for joining us
18:27comments
18:28thanks
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