00:00We've been talking about racism and the return of a sort of normalisation of racism.
00:03I just wonder, you'll have followed what's going on with Nigel Farage
00:06and the accusations that have been made against him by some of his schoolmates from Dulwich College.
00:10Do you believe those who've accused him of racism and anti-Semitism?
00:15Speaking of personal experience, I still remember now, and I'm 55 years old,
00:21how I felt being racially abused as an 11-year-old, 12-year-old, 14-year-old.
00:27It doesn't leave you.
00:30And it's difficult to articulate the impact it has on you,
00:35how it changes how you behave, how it changes how you present yourself.
00:43And so when I hear the adults who talk about their experiences
00:47at the receiving end of alleged racism from Nigel Farage,
00:52I find it incredibly credible and believable from my own experience.
00:55I can't speak to whether or not Farage did say those things.
00:59Because it's a long time ago and that therefore they may have forgotten or be misremembering.
01:04You don't buy that.
01:06I just, as you ask me the question, I'm starting to feel how I felt.
01:11You don't forget it, Lewis.
01:12And so there are so many people I've seen on TV, I've heard on the radio who were at the receiving end at Dulwich College.
01:20They're articulating feelings that I've got.
01:23They're behaving in a way that I relate to.
01:25And so, yes, it was a long time ago.
01:29The response should be either an apology.
01:31I've changed my views.
01:34But to trivialise it by calling it banter is just so offensive to those of us who've been victims of racism.
01:39Can I tell you, it didn't feel like banter when I was called the P word.
01:42It didn't feel like banter when people made me feel like I'm welcome in a country I was born and raised in.
01:47And that is so offensive.
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