00:00Let me bring you back in, Bijan, because in the recent interview that President Trump did in Washington,
00:07he was particularly scathing of his European counterparts, accusing European leaders of being weak and of being all talk and no action.
00:17Is he right?
00:18Well, you know, you can criticise President Trump for the way he speaks all day long.
00:24But you would have a harder time going to the crux of the matter and ask yourself a question.
00:30You know, I have lived the reality life, and reality life asks some hard questions.
00:37And the question that I asked Tobias, who very kindly and generously took my question, was, you know, what could Europe have done before 2014 to take a position very similar to the position they're taking now?
00:52In fact, very reasonably, to stop the escalation.
00:57So, was Europe weak?
01:00Yes, Europe was weak.
01:02Not by standards of President Trump alone, but by Europe's own standards, as proven by the stance today by the distinguished minister.
01:11So, I would say, yes, it is wise of you, Tobias, to accept shared responsibility by not acting.
01:19But, you know, we're all subject to that.
01:21We cannot look back and rewrite history.
01:24What happened, happened.
01:26That's why I'd say, let's all take responsibility for what we've done, what we've said.
01:31Don't call President Trump naive when you don't like his ideas that actually match your own.
01:37Call him what it is.
01:38He is tough.
01:39He is rough.
01:40He exercises all the power the President of the United States has in every which way.
01:46And guess what?
01:47That's exactly like what President Putin does.
01:50He takes, he says, look, I don't have to be popular to you.
01:54I have to be popular to my people.
01:56And as long as he's popular to his people, he will do whatever.
01:59And that's precisely what makes Europe, not just Europe, the world, be concerned.
02:06What security guarantee?
02:08I would say Russia knows that they cannot continue this.
02:13I'll answer the question myself.
02:15Russia will have fatigue.
02:17Look at the dead.
02:18Look at the wounded.
02:19It's not going to happen.
02:20The oligarchs are not going to sell it for it.
02:22You and I both know exactly how things work.
02:25The military, the oligarch, the executive branch, all tied up together.
02:29For Europe, ask for low concessions.
02:32Don't go head to head with President Trump.
02:34You're not going to win.
02:35Look at his record.
02:37You cannot win.
02:38This is not something you can win.
02:40Europe should ask for, you know, concessions that are low cost.
02:44It's okay.
02:45Just go along.
02:4728 points, reduced to 20 points, showing definitely goodwill.
02:52There is some goodwill that needs to come from Europe now.
02:55I would say Russia, I don't know if what President Trump says about Russia would be okay with it, exactly what that means, or when he says, look, your analysts, your advisors, President Zelensky, are okay with our points, and you need to read them.
03:11I don't know if he's actually stating the facts or is the way he talks.
03:16What I do know is Europe and Ukraine need to take what they can to end the war.
03:23That is possible.
03:25It should be done.
03:26And I think it can be done.
03:27All it takes is take politics out of it.
03:30Take your preferences for the next year's elections or midterm election or anything out of it.
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