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In a heated parliamentary session, a speaker addressed allegations of 'vote theft' and the purification of electoral rolls. The discussion focused on the process to detect and remove illegal voters, with the speaker asserting that this process would continue. The debate also touched upon the immunity granted to election officials and historical precedents regarding election disputes. Opposition members staged a walkout during the address. The broadcast featured a panel discussion analyzing the political implications of these electoral reforms.
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00:00Good evening. Union Home Minister Amit Shah today tore into the opposition charge of vote chory
00:05with a point-by-point rebuttal of allegations that had been levelled in the past.
00:11The Home Minister insisted that the process to detect, delete and deport the ghuzpetyas
00:17or the illegals from this country will continue.
00:21He emphasised illegals will not be permitted to decide
00:25who the Prime Minister and Chief Ministers in this country will be.
00:29In fact, he'd said this in an exclusive interview to India Today earlier in the run-up to Bihar elections.
00:35But leader of opposition in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi, said that the Home Minister's angry response
00:41actually reflected that the BJP and the Home Minister were on the defensive.
00:47The opposition, including the Congress Party, staged a walkout dissatisfied by the Home Minister's response
00:54who continued to insist that the Congress was losing not because of vote chory or the purification of the electoral list
01:04but for opposing surgical strikes.
01:08The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya and steps being undertaken by the Narendra Modi government
01:13for the betterment of the people of India.
01:15The Home Minister also gave out details of the number of elections that the opposition had won in various states
01:23and their tally in the Lok Sabha elections to say that when the opposition wins,
01:27they cannot say that the electoral list is fine
01:29and when they lose, blame the electoral list for their defeat.
01:34We get you more in this face-off between the government and the opposition.
01:38The SIR showdown explodes in Parliament.
02:06The debate on electoral reforms turned into a political firestorm.
02:14Union Home Minister Amit Shah stepped in with a point-by-point rebuttal to the opposition's charge sheet.
02:22Shah accused the opposition of running what he called a manufactured campaign on vote rigging.
02:28Man of light.
02:37Man of light – which has been mentioned in the U.S.
02:41So we have made this decision.
02:43Man of light –hu, must be made by the opposition.
02:45Man of light –hu, must be made by the president.
02:47Man of light –hu, must be made by the president.
02:49On EVMs, Shah turned the attack squarely on the Congress.
03:10The trigger, Rahul Gandhi questioning why the election commission enjoys immunity.
03:19Shah countered sharply, saying it was Indira Gandhi who gave herself special protection after
03:27the emergency ERA election disputes.
03:29Speaker Sir, my question was yesterday, which was the first decision that the election commissioners
03:43will give us full immunity.
03:49Okay, this is the result of this.
03:52I didn't have to stop this.
03:53The thinking of it was the first time.
03:58We are still in the second category of the Vot-choor.
04:01We are still doing that in the Vot-choor.
04:04This Vot-choor was even in the Buddha.
04:07The Vot-choor was completed in Gandhi.
04:11The High Court was completed at Sri Radha Narayan.
04:15The Vot-choor was not published in Niyam.
04:18The High Court was not published in the Niyam.
04:19The High Court has been completed that Srimati Gandhi
04:23has not completed in that same way.
04:27He also pointed to a petition filed in a Delhi court
04:39that claims Sonia Gandhi had voted even before formally obtaining Indian citizenship.
04:57Rahul Gandhi, however, escalated, declaring he is ready for a debate on vote chori anytime.
05:27Shah countered that opposition cannot dictate the parliament and must maintain decorum.
05:32Please.
05:33I want to say that I have been in the position of the world of the world of the world.
05:43I have been in the position of the world of the world.
05:48The people of the Vipaks say that you have been asked to answer my question.
05:53I will not have a situation in your mind.
05:56I will not have a situation in my mind.
05:59The battle intensified as Shah declared that the opposition's anger stems from one reason.
06:09Vortchori has ended.
06:11He also responded on the leader of opposition's criticism on keeping the CJI out of CEC's election process,
06:34pointing to the past practice when the prime ministers picked the election commissioners.
06:41The president of the country has been making this election.
06:48Congress party has made this election.
06:50The rule of Congress was made.
06:52The rule of Congress was made.
06:53But we have to stop here.
06:55We have to stop by saying that.
06:58We are listening to the people.
07:02We are listening to the people.
07:04Amish Shah's counter-offensive and Rahul Gandhi's challenge
07:13have set the stage for an even more explosive session ahead.
07:18The winter session is far from over
07:20and the next round of this showdown is already locked in.
07:24With Aishwarya Paliwal and Maushami Singh,
07:26bear a report in Getty.
07:28So whether it was Union Home Minister Amit Shah,
07:36Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiran Rajiju,
07:38they said the opposition ran away
07:39as the truth about infiltrators stung him.
07:44And that the ghuspethyas are the one
07:45that the opposition is seeking to protect.
07:48Now before we throw it open for a wider debate,
07:50a political debate,
07:52joining me on this India First special broadcast
07:54is O.P. Rawat, former Chief Election Commissioner of India,
07:57Sir, welcome.
07:59You heard the Home Minister.
08:02He insists that the SIR process for purification of voter list
08:05shall continue to detect, delete and deport the illegals.
08:09Sir, is the ECE within its mandate to detect and delete
08:12and then of course the government deports?
08:16Actually, we should forget the political letter right
08:19because both of them are correct in their positions.
08:23What exactly Election Commission is entitled or authorized to do
08:27is when you have a prima facie case
08:30that somebody has a doubtful record as citizen,
08:34only then they can inquire.
08:36They cannot universally inquire 100 crore voters' citizenship.
08:40That is not their domain,
08:42that is not their authority,
08:43that is not their right.
08:44That is the situation.
08:47Fair enough.
08:48Sir, the SIR has been done,
08:50as the Home Minister pointed out several times,
08:52from 1952 to 2004 and then post-2004,
08:56is being done in 2025.
08:59If objections were not raised in the past
09:02on the purification of the electoral list in your appreciation,
09:06does the opposition prima facie have reason to do so now?
09:11That is because the process which is devised
09:15by the current Election Commission
09:16is not in tune with the past eight intensive revisions.
09:21Earlier, it was never asked from every voter
09:23that you prove the citizenship.
09:26This time, from Bihar onwards,
09:29they are asking every voter to prove their citizenship,
09:33which is against the 1995 ruling of Vulnerable Supreme Court.
09:36They can only ask the person
09:38about whom they have a doubt
09:40to prove his or her citizenship.
09:43That is the difference.
09:45Okay.
09:46And that is why Election Commission
09:47never gives you a list
09:49as to how many Ghusbethiyas have been removed
09:51by their efforts in SIR.
09:54They give only a list of dead, duplicate,
09:57removed from the electoral roll.
10:00Fair enough.
10:01And Rahul Gandhi's message
10:05or his statement
10:06saying that a future government
10:08could change the laws retrospectively
10:11and come and find you.
10:14Does that, in your view,
10:16amount to intimidation
10:17of Election Commission officials
10:19as is being claimed?
10:22Actually, in our country,
10:24no law can be made effective retrospectively.
10:28In fact, for saving political parties,
10:30they amended the FCRA
10:33with retrospective effect.
10:35But that was annuled by Honorable Supreme Court.
10:39So, no law can take retrospective effect.
10:41And that is why whatever is being said
10:44in this realm is political rhetoric.
10:47It's rhetoric.
10:48It's rhetoric.
10:49The point being raised by Leader of Opposition
10:52and Lok Sabha,
10:53for the first time ever,
10:55immunity had been given
10:57to Election Commission officials.
10:59The point of immunity,
11:01is that a fact
11:02or is that also rhetoric in your view, sir?
11:04Actually, immunity to Election Commissioners
11:08has been there.
11:09In fact,
11:10Chief Election Commissioner
11:11cannot be removed
11:12without impeachment in the parliament.
11:16And for both Election Commissioners,
11:18they cannot be removed
11:20unless there is proven misconduct
11:22recommended by Chief Election Commissioner
11:24to the President of India.
11:26And anything done
11:27by them
11:29as Election Commissioners
11:31in the Election Commission
11:32to discharge of their duties
11:34cannot be questioned
11:35in any court of law
11:36or they cannot be taken
11:38to prosecution for that.
11:41Okay.
11:42Sir,
11:42before I throw it open
11:43for a wider discussion
11:44for our political guests,
11:45I also want to understand from you
11:47the Home Minister's
11:48statement in parliament
11:50where he said
11:50a debate
11:51on the special intensive revision
11:53of electoral rolls in particular
11:54was not possible
11:56or feasible in parliament
11:58as the Election Commission
11:59as an independent body
12:00if issues had been raised,
12:02who would have responded
12:03on their behalf?
12:05So,
12:05was the opposition correct
12:06in seeking a debate
12:08specifically,
12:09a discussion on the SIR
12:10or is the government correct
12:12that the debate
12:13had to be
12:13on wider electoral reforms?
12:17Actually,
12:17whatever is
12:18done by Election Commission
12:20under the constitution
12:22responsibility
12:24that revision of electoral rolls,
12:26conduct of polls,
12:28all these things,
12:29these are never questioned
12:30in the parliament,
12:31never discussed
12:32in the parliament,
12:33these can be questioned
12:34only in the court of law,
12:35Supreme Court
12:36and High Court.
12:37That has been the tradition.
12:39But since in this time,
12:41whatever allegations
12:42were made by LOP
12:44were not inquired
12:45into immediately
12:46and the facts
12:48were not put
12:49in public domain,
12:50this escalated
12:51and that's why
12:53all these things emerged.
12:55Okay.
12:55Sir,
12:56stay with me.
12:56let me now
12:57throw it open
12:57for a wider debate.
12:59Joining me on this
13:00India Today special broadcast
13:01is Brijes Kalappa,
13:03spokesperson and leader
13:04of the Congress Party.
13:05Dr. Ajay Alok
13:06is the national spokesperson
13:07of the Bharatiya Janata Party.
13:09Rajat Sethi
13:10and Rashid Kidwai
13:11join us
13:12as political commentators.
13:13Brijes Kalappa,
13:15Amit Shah
13:16accused the Congress Party
13:17leadership
13:17of three generations
13:19of vote-chori
13:20from Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
13:22to Indira Gandhi
13:23to Sonia Gandhi.
13:25He even cited
13:26a vaad,
13:28as he put it,
13:29or a dispute
13:30that is currently
13:31in Delhi court
13:33on Sonia Gandhi.
13:34Why did the Congress
13:36walk out, sir,
13:37instead of confronting
13:38these allegations
13:38head-on
13:39on the floor
13:40of the House?
13:42See,
13:42the moment,
13:43Gaurab,
13:44the Home Minister
13:45says
13:45that there has been
13:46vote-chori,
13:48then he is only adding
13:49to what
13:50Mr. Rahul Gandhi
13:51has been saying.
13:52Mr. Rahul Gandhi
13:53has been saying
13:54that there is a case
13:54of vote-chori.
13:56Now,
13:56Anurag Takhur,
13:57before him,
13:57he made a detailed
13:58presentation
13:59of how vote-chori
14:00had taken place
14:01and how the Congress
14:02Party had benefited.
14:03Right?
14:04Rahul Gandhi
14:04has been making
14:05a statement
14:05that vote-chori
14:07has taken place
14:07and how the BJP
14:09has benefited.
14:10Now,
14:10is it not appropriate,
14:12I would like to ask
14:13of your viewers,
14:14that let the entire
14:16country agree
14:18that there is
14:18something seriously
14:19wrong with our
14:20electoral system
14:21and that this
14:22requires to be
14:23looked into,
14:24this entire process
14:25which requires
14:26to be reviewed
14:28if both the
14:30Home Minister
14:31and Mr. Rahul Gandhi
14:32are ad-idem
14:33that there is
14:34serious vote-chori,
14:35you know,
14:35charges.
14:36Both the Home Minister
14:38is making such a statement.
14:39Mr. Rahul Gandhi
14:40is also making
14:41such a statement.
14:42So,
14:42what prevents
14:43the government
14:43from joining hands
14:44with the Congress
14:45Party
14:45and saying that,
14:47look,
14:47let us cleanse
14:48the system.
14:49What is the problem?
14:51Cleanse the system.
14:52Why is the BJP
14:53then running away
14:54from cleaning
14:54the system?
14:55Obviously,
14:56there are beneficiaries
14:57of this entire
14:58process.
14:59All of this
15:00not have been said
15:00on the floor
15:01of the House.
15:02Instead of Rahul Gandhi
15:03and the opposition,
15:04including the Congress,
15:05everyone staging
15:06a walkout.
15:07I mean,
15:07for a very long time,
15:10there was this question,
15:11debate it in Parliament,
15:11debate it in Parliament,
15:12let there be a discussion
15:13in Parliament.
15:14When that discussion
15:15happens,
15:16they walk out?
15:16No, no.
15:18I think the walkout
15:19was for this reason
15:20that the BJP,
15:23which is speaking
15:24the language
15:25of the ECI
15:26and the ECI,
15:27which is speaking
15:28the language
15:28of the BJP,
15:29now the government
15:31wants to distance itself
15:32and they made
15:33a statement
15:34that, look,
15:35we have no power,
15:36so the ECI
15:37and that's an
15:38autonomous body.
15:39So,
15:39if the government
15:40takes a stand
15:41that that's an
15:42autonomous body,
15:43then what more
15:43can the government
15:44say or the
15:45opposition say
15:46the first thing
15:47is,
15:48Gaurav,
15:48we must understand
15:49that what is
15:50the ECI doing?
15:51ECI is saying
15:52that we are going
15:53to get the
15:53Ghusbetiyas out.
15:55That is the,
15:55it's the process
15:56of the CA
15:57or the NRC.
15:58Is the election
15:59commission bound
16:00to do that?
16:00Is it a functionary
16:01of the government?
16:03I think these are
16:03the important questions
16:04which must have been
16:06answered by Mr. Amit Shah
16:07the moment.
16:08He's saying,
16:08he's not answering that.
16:10He's saying that
16:11let me bring in Dr. Ajay Alok.
16:13Let me bring in Dr. Ajay Alok.
16:14And gentlemen,
16:15feel free to wane.
16:17Rahul Gandhi,
16:18Dr. Ajay Alok said,
16:20Amit Shah did not answer
16:22a single specific query
16:24or question that he had
16:25raised.
16:26For example,
16:27why was the Chief Justice
16:28of India removed
16:29from the selection panel
16:30of the election commissioner?
16:32Why do election commission
16:33officials now enjoy
16:35that immunity?
16:35or why is it
16:37that within 45 days
16:38the footage
16:39is destroyed?
16:41If transparency
16:41is the claim,
16:43sir,
16:44these core issues
16:45the Congress Party
16:45claims were not
16:47answered to their
16:48satisfaction
16:48or the opposition's
16:49satisfaction.
16:53I never knew
16:55that Rahul Gandhi
16:55has developed
16:56deafness also
16:57because the whole
16:59country listened
16:59to what the
17:00Home Minister said.
17:02And he explained
17:03point by point
17:04as like
17:04just before us
17:06Mr. Rawat
17:06was explaining
17:07that immunity
17:08was always there
17:09to election commissioners.
17:10Right from the beginning
17:11it's there in the
17:11People Representation Act
17:13that the Chief Election
17:14Commissioner
17:14can only be impeached.
17:15He explained very nicely
17:16that's what Amit Bhai
17:18said in the Parliament
17:19but Rahul Gandhi
17:19seems he is suffering
17:20from deafness
17:21so he should go
17:21to some ENT specialist.
17:23And second thing
17:24the Chief Justice
17:25arrangement
17:26was a temporary order
17:27which was being
17:28carried upon
17:29and there was a need
17:30to frame new law
17:31and in the new law
17:32we kept
17:33leader of opposition
17:34also.
17:34which was never there
17:35in the practice.
17:36This Mr. Mishag
17:37he next explained
17:38but I guess
17:39he's suffering
17:39from some deafness
17:40so he should visit
17:41an ENT specialist.
17:42I guess he's going
17:43to Germany
17:44that should be
17:45a good place
17:45for a visit
17:46to ENT specialist.
17:48But today
17:48what we have seen
17:49peculiar in the Parliament
17:50that people ran
17:52away with the tails down
17:54and they were shouting
17:55SIR, SIR, SIR
17:57debate in Parliament
17:58debate in Parliament
17:59wasting time
17:59of the Parliament
18:00for the last six months
18:01ruined the last session
18:03completely
18:04we'll have debate
18:05on SIR
18:05vote chori
18:06vote chori
18:06completely shattered
18:08and the whole nation
18:09got a message
18:10like look
18:10this is a party
18:12which unnecessarily
18:13creates sarakas
18:14and when the discussion
18:15happens
18:16and when their fault line
18:18starts appearing
18:19they run away
18:20they choose to run away
18:21they are coward
18:22they don't have a courage
18:23to listen to them
18:24and very rightly so
18:25in the coming time
18:26you will see
18:27every congressman
18:27including Mr. Rajesh Karappa
18:29will ask the question
18:30to Mr. Rahul Gandhi
18:32why we are losing elections
18:34one after the other
18:35one after the other
18:36I'll get Rajesh Kalappa
18:37to respond to that
18:37you are inept
18:38you are incompetent
18:39I'll get Mr. Kalappa
18:40to respond
18:41but I want to quickly
18:41bring in Rashid Kidwai
18:42and Rajat Sethi
18:43for their initial comments
18:45Rashid Kidwai
18:46Amit Shah
18:48gave out an entire
18:49list in parliament
18:50of NDA's
18:52electoral victories
18:53whether three
18:54Lok Savai elections
18:54back to back
18:5541 state elections
18:57and the elections
18:58that the opposition
18:59had won
19:00congress won
19:01in 16 states
19:02if the election
19:03was rigged
19:04or if the
19:05electoral process
19:07was rigged
19:07would the congress
19:08have won
19:08so many states
19:10and elections
19:10and does this
19:12challenge the
19:12opposition's narrative
19:13on vote chori sir
19:15I think first and foremost
19:18it is a bit problematic
19:20to link
19:21you know
19:21the vote chori
19:22allegation
19:23with the
19:23electoral process
19:25outcome
19:25that is the results
19:26whether the results
19:27go in favour of
19:28government
19:29or in opposition
19:30this is inconsequential
19:31the process
19:32must be above suspicion
19:34and all parties
19:35concerned
19:35winner
19:36loser
19:37you know
19:38person who
19:38forfeit their deposit
19:40all
19:40they must
19:41you know
19:42have full faith
19:43in the process
19:43of election
19:44and this is between
19:46the election commission
19:47and political parties
19:48it's not between
19:49you know
19:49the government
19:50or congress
19:51so whatever
19:51Mr. Amir Shah
19:52was strong on facts
19:53about past wrongs
19:55but the past wrongs
19:57cannot justify
19:57you know
19:58present and future
19:59what is preventing
20:01Gaurav
20:01you know
20:02election commission
20:03from convening
20:04an all party
20:05meeting
20:06and hearing them out
20:07what is preventing
20:08election commission
20:08from getting persons
20:10like Mr. O.P. Rawat
20:11Mr. Qureshi
20:12and several former
20:13election
20:13you know
20:14chief election
20:15commissioners
20:15former election
20:16commissioners
20:17form a panel
20:18and get these
20:19allegations
20:19investigated
20:20why is election
20:23election commission
20:23coming up
20:24with rejoinders
20:25which are source
20:26based
20:27these are
20:28these are
20:29these are responses
20:30that need answer
20:31it's not about
20:32victory or defeat
20:33okay
20:35Rajat Sethi
20:36you want to respond
20:37because Rahul Gandhi
20:38warned ECU officials
20:39that any future
20:40government
20:41could change
20:42laws
20:42retrospectively
20:43and could come
20:44after them
20:45or words to that
20:46effect
20:46will come and
20:47find you
20:48Amit Shah of course
20:49accused the congress
20:50of wanting to
20:51normalize infiltration
20:52and make
20:53ghuzpahitiyas
20:54their voters
20:55in your view
20:57the extreme position
20:58taken by both sides
21:00now does that
21:01erode the space
21:02for a civil
21:02evidence based
21:04discussion
21:05on electoral
21:06reforms
21:06and discourse
21:07and should the EC
21:08call all parties
21:09should the EC
21:10call former
21:11CEC's
21:12doubts that they
21:12have
21:13and address them
21:14in public
21:14once and for all
21:15so that
21:15you know
21:16the process
21:16is also
21:18trustworthy
21:18the opposition
21:19says as of
21:20now it isn't
21:21well the language
21:24that has been
21:25used by the
21:26opposition
21:26is really
21:27unfortunate
21:28had the BJP
21:30or any of the
21:31affiliates of the
21:32BJP said
21:32something
21:33like this
21:34threatening
21:35to hold
21:36the
21:37constitutional
21:38body
21:38as respectable
21:39as the
21:39election
21:40commission
21:40with such
21:41words
21:41hell would
21:42have
21:42broken
21:43loose
21:43the
21:44international
21:44actors
21:46would have
21:46started
21:46getting
21:46activated
21:47around
21:47this
21:48but
21:48congress
21:48being
21:48congress
21:49can
21:49say
21:49responsible
21:50things
21:50and walk
21:51out to
21:51Germany
21:51with no
21:52consequence
21:53you know
21:54there has
21:54to be
21:55some kind
21:56of
21:56you know
21:57a decorum
21:58where members
21:58of parliament
21:59should be
21:59held accountable
22:00when they
22:00pour acid
22:01in public
22:02view
22:03on the
22:04roots
22:04of our
22:04constitutional
22:05bodies
22:06and bodies
22:07which are
22:07fundamental
22:08pillars of
22:08our democracy
22:09if you do
22:10that
22:10if you say
22:10that you
22:11should be
22:11dragged
22:12to the
22:12courts
22:13affirmations
22:13should be
22:14filed to
22:14such an
22:15extent
22:15that you
22:16are not
22:16able to
22:17utter a
22:17word
22:17without an
22:18iota of
22:18evidence
22:19now my
22:19simple
22:20problem
22:20here is
22:21Mr.
22:21Rahul
22:22Gandhi
22:22he says
22:23a few
22:23things
22:23that my
22:24press conference
22:26should be
22:26debated
22:26election
22:27commission
22:27should be
22:27answered
22:28and all
22:28of that
22:29but parliament
22:29cannot be
22:30that platform
22:31to answer
22:32those questions
22:33because the
22:33core party
22:34whom you
22:34are demanding
22:35those answers
22:35does not
22:36sit inside
22:36the parliament
22:37you can only
22:38hold that
22:38constitutional body
22:39accountable
22:40outside the
22:41parliament
22:41in the
22:42courts
22:42that is one
22:43route that
22:44you don't
22:44want to
22:44follow
22:44because there
22:45you will
22:45have to
22:45present
22:45evidences
22:46and you
22:47want to
22:47circumvent
22:48that and
22:48do all
22:49the theatres
22:49and drama
22:50and waste
22:50taxpayers
22:51money
22:51repeatedly
22:52session
22:53after session
22:53on nonsensical
22:54issues
22:54so far
22:55you have not
22:55been able to
22:56establish
22:56Vrijesh
22:57Kalappa
22:57you know
22:58is a
22:59lawyer
22:59par excellence
23:00let me
23:00get his
23:01legal
23:01perspective
23:02and opinion
23:03on this
23:04Vrijesh
23:05Kalappa
23:05you want to
23:05respond
23:06if analysts
23:07say that
23:07what the
23:08opposition
23:08or the
23:09congress
23:09is indulging
23:10in is
23:10pure
23:11theatrics
23:11this isn't
23:12to be
23:13answered
23:13in
23:13parliament
23:13if there's
23:14evidence
23:15produce it
23:15in
23:15courts
23:16of
23:16law
23:16see I
23:19think
23:19as far
23:20as the
23:20court of
23:21law is
23:21concerned
23:22the
23:22court of
23:23law is
23:23very
23:23clear
23:24that
23:24the
23:24ECI
23:25has
23:26precedence
23:27over the
23:27court of
23:28law
23:28with regard
23:29to
23:29electoral
23:29roles
23:30and such
23:30others
23:31right
23:31and that's
23:32the reason
23:32there's no
23:33point in
23:33going to
23:33a court
23:34of law
23:34because
23:34the
23:34court
23:35will
23:35say
23:35that
23:36in
23:36article
23:36324
23:37of the
23:37constitution
23:37the
23:38court
23:38does not
23:39have
23:39the
23:39powers
23:40this
23:40is the
23:40first
23:40thing
23:41and my
23:42young
23:42friend
23:42perhaps
23:43needs to
23:43be tutored
23:44on this
23:44and I
23:45think
23:45in days
23:47to come
23:47maybe he
23:47will
23:47appreciate
23:49the fact
23:49that the
23:50courts
23:50have
23:51let's not
23:51be
23:51patronizing
23:52over here
23:52at my
23:53young age
23:53I have
23:54served as
23:54the advisor
23:55to three
23:55chief
23:56ministers
23:56so the
24:06point is
24:06that you
24:07can't
24:08throw
24:08things at
24:09the court
24:09which the
24:10court has
24:11no powers
24:11to
24:11you know
24:12adjudicate
24:13but if
24:14there is
24:14an illegality
24:15wouldn't
24:15the court
24:15intervene
24:16then sir
24:16as a
24:18student of
24:19this subject
24:20sir I
24:20just want
24:20to understand
24:21should there
24:22be illegality
24:22in the
24:23process
24:24should EC
24:25be doing
24:25something which
24:26is grossly
24:27violative of
24:27principles of
24:28natural justice
24:29wouldn't
24:29courts intervene
24:30no see
24:32I think
24:33let me give
24:34you the
24:34basic
24:35narrative
24:35now here
24:36was a
24:37case
24:37where 65
24:39lakh voters
24:40admittedly had
24:41been deleted
24:42right before
24:42the Bihar
24:44elections
24:44now what is
24:45the election
24:46commission of
24:46India state
24:47it says
24:48that no we
24:49don't consider
24:50adhar to be
24:51one of the
24:52proofs for
24:53and court
24:53intervened
24:54right no no
24:56court intervened
24:56but I'm
24:57saying the
24:58very fact
24:59that the
25:00election
25:00commission is
25:01completely
25:01partial
25:02completely
25:03one-sided
25:03is visible
25:05from the
25:06fact that it
25:06says no we
25:07don't want to
25:08consider the
25:08adhar
25:09government
25:10let me bring it
25:10dr ajay alok to
25:11respond
25:12of crores
25:13on strengthening
25:13adhar
25:14now here is
25:15the election
25:15commission of
25:16India
25:16which says no
25:17we don't
25:18consider adhar
25:18so what does
25:19it tell you
25:20about the
25:20election
25:20commission of
25:21India
25:21what does
25:22it tell you
25:22about the
25:22election
25:22commission of
25:23India
25:23both want to
25:24comment but
25:24ajay alok go
25:25first because
25:25rahul gandhi
25:26continues to
25:27allege
25:27whole scale
25:28capture of
25:28India's
25:29institutional
25:30framework
25:31you heard
25:32mr kalapa
25:32saying that
25:34the election
25:35commission
25:35according to
25:36him is openly
25:37partisan
25:37sir
25:37respond
25:38whatever
25:42four five
25:43percent
25:43credibility
25:44mr rahul
25:45gandhi
25:45had
25:45after today's
25:47walkout
25:47that is also
25:49gone and
25:50i'm really
25:50amazed
25:51that after
25:52such a
25:53major
25:56overhauling
25:57of congress
25:58party and
25:58rahul gandhi
25:59by the
25:59home minister
26:00still the
26:02ecosystem keep
26:03on saying
26:03that election
26:04commission needs
26:05to answer
26:06all these
26:07questions
26:07appertaining
26:08what i was
26:08listening
26:09every answer
26:10has been
26:10given sir
26:11there is no
26:12answer left
26:13the point is
26:14that if you
26:14keep on
26:15dreaming and
26:15framing a
26:16question which
26:17does not have
26:17any basis
26:18i mean just
26:19look at the
26:19intellect level
26:20the kind of
26:21question that
26:21he was asking
26:22in the
26:22parliament
26:23and right
26:23now mr
26:24rawat also
26:25said the
26:25same thing
26:25what home
26:26minister said
26:26in the
26:27parliament
26:28regarding the
26:29immunity to
26:30the chief
26:30election
26:30commissioner
26:31i mean do
26:32you expect
26:32this kind
26:33of intellect
26:33to be our
26:34leader of
26:35opposition
26:35really
26:36there is
26:41one leader
26:42of opposition
26:47in bihar
26:48yeah there
26:49is one
26:49leader of
26:50opposition
26:50in bihar
26:51who just
26:52took his
26:53oath and
26:54went for his
26:54holiday in
26:56europe and
26:56he will be
26:57coming back
26:57after new
26:58years he
26:58never bothered
26:59to listen to
27:00the governor's
27:01address to the
27:02house he
27:03never participated
27:04in that discussion
27:05but he's happy
27:05in europe with
27:06his family
27:07there is another
27:08leader of
27:08opposition in
27:09center but the
27:10ongoing parliament
27:11is there but he'll
27:12be going to
27:12germany as if he
27:13has got some
27:14official invitation
27:15from government
27:15of germany that
27:16we are inviting
27:17leader of
27:17opposition of
27:18india i mean
27:18these are
27:19absolutely non
27:20serious people
27:21non serious
27:21politicians
27:22rashid kittwai
27:22wants to
27:23respond to
27:23that and
27:23but before
27:24that quickly
27:26rajat sati
27:27you wanted to
27:27respond to
27:28mr kalappa
27:28sir just 30
27:30seconds before
27:30rajat sati
27:31quickly responds
27:32go on sir
27:33well i again
27:34i don't
27:34rashid bhai
27:38i'm coming to
27:38you in 30
27:38seconds sir
27:39just as soon
27:40as rajat sati
27:41completes his
27:41point sir
27:41no no
27:42rashid ji
27:42you know
27:43we'll come to
27:44that discussion
27:44because this
27:45is the
27:45current debate
27:45which is
27:46happening
27:46right now
27:46you cannot
27:47walk away
27:47from the
27:48debate
27:48when you
27:48all you
27:49wanted
27:49was a
27:49debate
27:50on the
27:50same
27:50issue
27:50but going
27:51to the
27:51old man
27:52from congress
27:52party
27:53he seems
27:54to have
27:54completely
27:55missed his
27:55legal lessons
27:56i was never
27:56a trained
27:57lawyer but
27:57i know
27:58i have read
27:59the constitution
27:59and i know
28:00basic tenets of
28:01constitutional the
28:02judicial review
28:02of any kind
28:03of a decision
28:04made by
28:04quasi-judicial
28:05body or a
28:06constitutional body
28:07is subject
28:08to review
28:08that is the
28:09fundamental
28:10principles around
28:11which our
28:11entire legal
28:12constitutional
28:13framework
28:14pivots around
28:15and stands
28:15around
28:15maybe this
28:16training of
28:17congress
28:17party's
28:17election cell
28:18or the
28:18legal cell
28:19is absent
28:20or missing
28:20they should
28:21go back
28:21to the
28:21books
28:21i'll come
28:22back to
28:22this in
28:23just a
28:23moment
28:23but
28:23rashid
28:24kidwai
28:24the last
28:2430 seconds
28:25yes sir
28:27since a
28:27drink point
28:28has been
28:28made kindly
28:28this was
28:30not said
28:30by the
28:31home
28:31minister
28:31this was
28:31not said
28:32by the
28:32treasury
28:32benches
28:33in parliament
28:33now this
28:34young
28:34gentleman
28:35wants to
28:36speak
28:37you know
28:37okay
28:38so both
28:39young men
28:41and we're
28:41not being
28:42ages
28:42but rashid
28:43kidwai
28:4330 seconds
28:4430 seconds
28:45only on the
28:45point that
28:46Rahul Gandhi
28:46is going
28:47abroad at a
28:47time when
28:48this was the
28:48biggest issue
28:49raised you
28:49wanted to
28:50comment on
28:50that point
28:50raised by
28:51both mr
28:52seedy and
28:52dr alok
28:53rashid
28:53kidwai
28:54see the
28:55going abroad
28:56traveling abroad
28:57for any
28:57political party
28:58is not
28:58anything illegal
28:59it is improper
29:00just as the
29:01conduct of
29:02election commission
29:02in the eyes
29:03of law
29:03may be fine
29:04but in terms
29:05but in terms
29:05of you know
29:06parliamentary
29:06democracy
29:07may be improper
29:08may be a bit
29:08odd
29:09traveling out
29:10is not
29:11it may not
29:12look good
29:13but it is
29:14nothing
29:14there is
29:14nothing wrong
29:15in it
29:15prime minister
29:16has gone
29:17when parliament
29:17was in session
29:19he has traveled
29:19abroad
29:20about walk out
29:21also a lot
29:21got to be made
29:22out as if
29:23there is something
29:23wrong
29:23the bjp
29:24whenever it was
29:25in opposition
29:26and i have seen
29:26in five
29:27they always
29:28say the walk
29:28what kind
29:32of analogy
29:32is this
29:33prime minister
29:33and the
29:34raul gandhi
29:34leader opposition
29:35is the same
29:36i have run
29:38out of time
29:38on this part
29:39of the show
29:39i want to thank
29:40all my guests
29:41brijesh kalappa
29:42dr ajay alok
29:44rashid kidwai
29:44and rajat sati
29:45for joining me
29:45here on india
29:46first
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