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2025 Pitchfork Artist of the Year Dijon weighs in on whether Eminem, almond milk, buzz cuts, martial arts, Erewhon, Wisconsin, Leonardo DiCaprio, Geese, Ms. Rachel and more are underrated or overrated.
Director: Sam Dennis
Director of Photography: AJ Young
Editor: Katie Wolford; Alex Mechanik
Talent: Dijon
Producer: Sam Dennis
Senior Producer: Michael Beckert
Creative Producer: Amy Haskour
Line Producer: Jen Santos
Production Manager: Andressa Pelachi
Production Coordinator: Elizabeth Hymes
Talent Booker: Keaton Bell
Camera Operator: Lucas Vilicich
Sound Mixer: Kari Barber
Production Assistant: Lauren Boucher
Post Production Supervisor: Christian Olguin
Post Production Coordinator: Stella Shortino
Supervising Editor: Eduardo Araujo
Assistant Editor: Andy Morell
Director: Sam Dennis
Director of Photography: AJ Young
Editor: Katie Wolford; Alex Mechanik
Talent: Dijon
Producer: Sam Dennis
Senior Producer: Michael Beckert
Creative Producer: Amy Haskour
Line Producer: Jen Santos
Production Manager: Andressa Pelachi
Production Coordinator: Elizabeth Hymes
Talent Booker: Keaton Bell
Camera Operator: Lucas Vilicich
Sound Mixer: Kari Barber
Production Assistant: Lauren Boucher
Post Production Supervisor: Christian Olguin
Post Production Coordinator: Stella Shortino
Supervising Editor: Eduardo Araujo
Assistant Editor: Andy Morell
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00:00Ziggy Stardust, never heard it.
00:01What's that, it's a guy from Mars?
00:02He can do a whole record about a Martian?
00:05Who cares?
00:06Overrated.
00:13Overrated?
00:13Clumpy.
00:14Gets too clumpy.
00:15I'll do oat milk, or 2%.
00:19Half and half.
00:20Super lactose intolerant.
00:21I do half and half every morning.
00:24Soldier?
00:25Yeah, soldier on.
00:26I used to do lactate, because I used to love Fruity Pebbles.
00:29But I haven't had zero in a long time.
00:31Yeah.
00:32I'm grown.
00:36What year?
00:37Like what era?
00:38Now?
00:39Early 2000s, I think it was bad.
00:42I think all the beats were bad.
00:43Now all the beats are kind of good.
00:45And I'll say it's underrated, total.
00:49Total package underrated.
00:51But now it's like big.
00:52All underground rap is like big rap.
00:53Like Kendrick, Drake, underground, Nicki Minaj, underground.
00:59I don't think I've heard anything that's like truly underground in a long time.
01:02Because everything has this weird ability to be instantly magnified.
01:05But I do like some of the shit that's coming out.
01:07What is the Boston stuff?
01:09Massachusetts.
01:10That's like some...
01:11It's intense.
01:12But yeah, the rest of it.
01:13I feel like it's all really big.
01:14I think it's good.
01:15I think it should be really big.
01:19Overrated.
01:20I take a two-minute shower, three, and I wear the same clothes every day.
01:25From knowing you have to leave to then leaving, it should be about four minutes.
01:29Also the drive should be four minutes.
01:30So about eight minutes of your day should be getting ready and getting to and from, I
01:36think.
01:37So overrated.
01:38Dude, super underrated.
01:42My kid learned every...
01:43It's just...
01:44I haven't taught my kid one thing.
01:46She gives me new stuff every day.
01:49He started doing Wheels in the Bus.
01:51That wasn't me.
01:52Put on this Rachel for like 10 minutes and then he comes back knowing how to do Wheels
01:55in the Bus.
01:56Underrated.
01:57Powerful.
01:58Overrated.
02:01Because it's too complex for children.
02:04Blue is just an excuse for adults to watch short cartoons.
02:07It's like, it's just too much.
02:08It's too fast.
02:09And it's very abstract.
02:10Like, they say a word and all of them turn into chickens.
02:14I think it's too abstract for children.
02:16Overrated.
02:17What's it like being a dad?
02:18Overrated or underrated?
02:20Just follow up.
02:21Follow up.
02:22What's it like being a dad?
02:23It's sick.
02:24It's awesome.
02:25It's so scary.
02:26It's so strange.
02:27They look like you.
02:28It keeps you quite tired, busy, but it's the best thing ever.
02:33I can't wait to have another one.
02:35Have 10 more.
02:37Underrated for like 10 years.
02:44I think right now, he's pretty rated right now.
02:49He's like right there.
02:51For this recent record, like almost every drum came from the ASR-10.
02:54It's like, that's because of him.
02:56So ASR-10 or EPS-16.
02:58Because you can just hear it.
02:59You can hear like, I don't know, that's okay.
03:01I'm not going to nerd out with that.
03:03But Timbaland, underrated.
03:04Still listen to the first or the second Aaliyah record like every day.
03:07Best sounds.
03:08Best drums ever.
03:13They have the Buffalo cauliflower.
03:16I don't know if it's, it's underrated.
03:19It's fine.
03:20Everything tastes pretty good.
03:21I don't go to Air One.
03:22I've never been.
03:28Oh, bam.
03:30Cheese curd.
03:31Underrated.
03:32I started the song Higher with Justin Vernon at his place in Eau Claire.
03:38I just, I never wanted to leave.
03:39It's the coolest, most magical thing in the world.
03:42And functional.
03:43The thing is like, everything should be functional.
03:45Because everybody can make music anywhere.
03:46So it should be functional.
03:47So it's this gorgeous, you know, hometown thing.
03:50We did the day one song there too.
03:52So we were just doing a bunch of, um, rec room hangs as we like to call them.
03:57Underrated, I think he might be the very, the underrated definition probably.
04:08No, he's like super big, right?
04:10He is unequivocally one of the most important and idiosyncratic songwriters that America's
04:15ever produced.
04:16Also just nasty guitar player.
04:18Greatest voice.
04:20Unbelievable.
04:21Just, just great.
04:22Oh my God.
04:23Underrated.
04:24Big hero.
04:25Love you Sufjan.
04:26I want to hang out with you.
04:28Overrated.
04:31Sick of them.
04:32Sick of people playing music in general.
04:34Sick of people having joy when they're playing music together.
04:37Sick of people locking in.
04:39Like the, when they lock in.
04:42Overrated.
04:44Everything should be made on a laptop by yourself.
04:46I love the sarcasm today.
04:48No, it's the real deal.
04:49Like what?
04:50Really?
04:51Yeah, I gotta hear the joy now.
04:53Ugh.
04:54I gotta hear the joy of a jam.
04:56I did sessions with Justin Bieber for Swag and Swag 2.
04:59What would become Swag 1 and Swag 2.
05:02Which did mostly evolve from like jamming around.
05:04I do think jamming's overrated, but sometimes they yield fruit.
05:09I'm saying there were jam sessions, but with the sort of, um, with some sort of central thing of like, can you figure out a song?
05:17Can you recontextualize the writing process with everybody?
05:21The jam sessions.
05:22I hear people jamming.
05:23I'm like, ugh.
05:24Get away.
05:29Underrated.
05:30David Lynch did it.
05:35My best guy.
05:37Mike.
05:38AKA McGee.
05:39Big dirt bike guy.
05:40And it's super overrated.
05:42They're too colorful.
05:43They're too loud.
05:44They're too dangerous.
05:45If you're seeing this mic, get off the bike.
05:48Come back.
05:49Come back to earth.
05:50All my friends are like dirt bike guys.
05:55Erasers.
05:56Tom York's The Eraser.
05:57Underrated album.
05:59Um, I've never written anything down in my life.
06:01I was really bad in school.
06:03I always use a pen.
06:04Erasers.
06:05Don't need them.
06:06Squishy.
06:08Overrated.
06:13I've never been.
06:14It's too scary.
06:15Overrated.
06:16I was just listening to this amazing, uh, compilation from, I guess, a guy who was a resident DJ there.
06:21Marcel Dittman?
06:22Sounds great.
06:23I guess it's probably underrated, but I've never been.
06:26I keep seeing these YouTubes pop up about people trying to get in.
06:29That's what we're talking about.
06:30Yeah.
06:31Underrated.
06:32Probably.
06:33Until I go.
06:40Underrated.
06:41If you don't have something to say with your hair, which I don't, off.
06:46Should be off.
06:47Or a hat.
06:48The longest I've ever had my hair was like maybe like this.
06:50It was kind of confusing.
06:51And I remember one day just shaving it to get a fresh start.
06:54Probably in like early high school.
06:56Never looked back.
06:57Like I said, I don't have anything to say with my hair.
07:02Oh, DMV.
07:03Underrated.
07:04Good people watching at the DMV.
07:06It's never nearly as, it seems really stressful for the employees of the DMV.
07:10I've never seen like a stressful moment at the DMV.
07:12It's just a lot of people.
07:13I did Taekwondo when I was like nine.
07:20No, I must have been like seven or eight when I, no, I was like nine or let's say ten.
07:26I remember I did Taekwondo and I got to yellow belt.
07:29And then I got a really bad case of pneumonia.
07:32And then what happened was I was out for a couple of weeks with pneumonia.
07:37And my mom drove me back.
07:40And I remember looking inside and all these kids had progressed in their belts.
07:43And I didn't.
07:44So I was too embarrassed to go back in.
07:45I got to yellow belt with Taekwondo.
07:47Underrated.
07:48It's great.
07:49What's that Jay-Z line?
07:51Uh, no, there was a Nas line where he says, uh, he was making fun of Jay-Z, I think.
07:56Or somebody when they said that he was an old person in the karate class.
07:59I want to do that.
08:00I want to be like an older guy, thirties, starting my karate career.
08:07Eminem, my, that's my king.
08:10That's my, that's my big guy.
08:12I just love him.
08:13Underrated.
08:14I love, I love Eminem so much.
08:16There's a couple of things I would tweak.
08:18In his most recent, his most recent offerings.
08:21Maybe the last 10 years is a couple of things I would, I would just get in there and tweak
08:25with him.
08:26Outside collaborating, it's like so exciting.
08:28If it's organic, like swag was very easy and it was very undemanding.
08:32And it was very honest to work on that.
08:35I have no interest really anymore in like writing with or others except Eminem.
08:39That's it.
08:40Cause I would get in there with you, with you.
08:42Marshall, I'd get in there with you and just figure out some new stuff, some new subjects.
08:47Some new speeds at which to wrap.
08:50It's much slower, I think.
08:52Underrated.
08:53My favorite.
08:58Woo.
08:59Overrated.
09:00Moved into our house.
09:01We were gifted a micro, a microwave.
09:03I did not notice that we didn't have one for two years.
09:08You could put stuff back in the oven or just eat it straight out the gate.
09:18I can't believe I wore one on my album cover.
09:21Everything I do is for function.
09:24Vests underrated for their functionality, especially like ones that have pockets.
09:28Speaking of vests, I wore my green vest from Absolutely in one battle after another.
09:34Shout out to the wardrobe crew cause it was actually really insane.
09:39But for me, in my small role, I was just, they were like, just bring your own shit.
09:43Like, you know, looks fine.
09:44And I brought that vest and I couldn't believe it that they had me wear that thing.
09:48They did an amazing job recreating them though.
09:50Cause you have to have like these extras.
09:52They made a few perfect replicas.
09:55Maybe you'll see one on the show.
09:57Throw one out.
09:58Merch.
09:59Fishing vests.
10:00Let's gamify this shit.
10:02Let's gamify function.
10:07Underrated.
10:09Underrated now.
10:11In my mind.
10:12Gilbert Grape.
10:13The best.
10:14The best.
10:15He was a kid.
10:16Shooting with Leo.
10:17What's really funny is everybody was on the exact same playing field.
10:22You don't think that it's like Leo.
10:25I did a couple of like phone call voiceover things.
10:29And that was when I was like, holy shit, this is insane.
10:31But when you're actually doing it, it's just like go.
10:33And you're like huddling around a campfire.
10:35You don't remember that it's Leo.
10:38Also watching people who are really good at acting, unlike me, be able to go from scene to scene and then stop.
10:44It's the craziest thing you'll ever experience in your life.
10:51One of my best friends and best collaborators, Andrew Sarlo.
10:54Shout out to you, Andrew.
10:56He and his wife just hipped me to Letterboxd.
10:59I think I saw like four movies that week or, you know, in two weeks.
11:04I was going nuts on it for about two days.
11:06I think it's too weird.
11:07I thought it would be like you could easily archive.
11:10I don't know.
11:11I thought there would be like an automated section of it.
11:12But it's just people talking about a movie they saw.
11:14And I'm like, I don't care, actually.
11:16And I only have one friend or two friends on it.
11:18I think I only have Andrew Sarlo and his wife.
11:20I'm only seeing what they're saying about movies.
11:22How do you find friends on Letterboxd?
11:23I think it's overrated just because I'm not using it as much as I thought I would.
11:27I think I wrote a review of Eddington though.
11:29Underrated.
11:33I moved around so much that music criticism was like how I learned about things.
11:39I mean, I didn't have, I had cousins and stuff.
11:41You know, all the early rap music that I grew up around was given to me.
11:45But everything I like, when I started branching out and I was not really tethered to a space anymore,
11:51I would read a ton of music journalism and just try to figure out what CDs to torrent.
11:58And it like really changed my life.
12:00I value it quite a bit.
12:01I still read a lot of music criticism.
12:03I think it's a little bit too soft now.
12:06I think all criticism should be dangerously harsh, actually.
12:09So, underrated.
12:10Pitchfork, honestly, you guys can go harder.
12:12I think you can go harder.
12:15Yeah, be less kind, I think.
12:22Underrated.
12:23They freak me out because they're so young and I can't believe it.
12:27Also like the best drummer maybe in a band right now.
12:31Super, I guess they're underrated.
12:33But they're going to do that.
12:34They're going to blow up.
12:35It's an amazing album.
12:36Getting Killed.
12:37Also, what a crazy album title.
12:38I was so mad.
12:39I was so mad that my record ended up sort of shaping itself into a more autobiographical.
12:46And I named my album after my son.
12:49And then I saw that their album was called Getting Killed and I was so upset.
12:54It's the best album title human beings, a crew of humans have created in a long time.
12:59I want to see him live.
13:00Kenny, let me get in there with you guys.
13:07Overrated.
13:08Fundamentally insane, actually, to do that.
13:14I guess like Dr. Octagon.
13:16Is it cool?
13:18I don't care.
13:19Overrated.
13:20Overrated.
13:21Like who does that?
13:22It's an insane thing to be like...
13:23What's the...
13:24Is the Who Pinball one?
13:26Is that a concept album?
13:27Yeah.
13:28He's the Pinball Wiz.
13:29Yeah, that seems like it's overrated to do that.
13:32Ziggy Stardust, never heard it.
13:34What's that?
13:35Is it a guy from Mars?
13:36He can do a whole record about a Martian?
13:38Who cares?
13:39Overrated.
13:40Because I feel like they're too binary.
13:47You know?
13:48People just want a good vibe or they think it's a bad vibe.
13:50There's so many vibes.
13:56Underrated.
13:59Colors, beautiful.
14:01Stadium, beautiful.
14:03Underrated, I think.
14:05I don't know sports.
14:07I don't know the game.
14:09It's underrated to...
14:10You know what?
14:11It's underrated to go to a Dodgers game.
14:13It's very beautiful.
14:14Overrated to watch baseball on TV.
14:16Overrated to watch basketball on TV.
14:18Because of the camera.
14:20It's kind of annoying.
14:22Football, underrated to watch on TV.
14:28Underrated.
14:29Coolest person I've ever met in my life.
14:31Met him really through my friend BJ Burton.
14:34Shout out to you BJ.
14:36BJ's gonna hate me for mentioning him.
14:39We became fast friends.
14:40And he did not mind working on a lot of music with me.
14:43In my garage.
14:44And he's so tall.
14:45You know?
14:46I mean it's just like unbelievable.
14:47When you realize that a person's got years of being the greatest under the belt.
14:54It makes you really sick to your stomach.
14:55And realizing how shitty you are at music.
14:57Still making really crazy shit.
14:59The Blake album with him.
15:01Underrated.
15:02I'm your biggest fan in the world.
15:03You know?
15:07Streaming playlists are insane.
15:09Overrated.
15:10Get them away.
15:11Unless a loved one makes one for you.
15:13Or you're trying to put it on before.
15:15When you're driving to and from a show.
15:17It's very convenient.
15:19Underrated.
15:20Streaming playlists.
15:21Not overrated.
15:22They suck.
15:23Beast Mode sucks.
15:24What's the one?
15:25There's another one.
15:26Winter's Day.
15:27It's like what the fuck is that?
15:29It's Winter's Day.
15:30What song works like that?
15:32Overrated.
15:33Ugh.
15:35Am I on any of those?
15:36Spotify, listen to me.
15:37I want to do different kinds of music now.
15:40And I want to be on Beast Mode.
15:42ASAP.
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