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The Rocky Mountain Mortician Murder Season 1 Episode 2
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00:00who killed Byron who killed Byron Griffey who killed Byron Griffey not knowing why
00:09somebody would have murdered him was the biggest thing we didn't have a murder
00:15weapon we didn't have any real DNA at the scene Byron was laid out almost like one
00:24would be laid in the casket he was staged Tommy Tomlin and Corey Higgs were
00:33obviously on the suspect list but Byron's friends Charles and Anthony might be
00:40hiding something we'd known Charles and Anthony for years Anthony was so kind and
00:48patient my oldest son works for him and his brother well but I thought that was his
00:58brother
01:05Charles and Tony are not brothers they're together they're lovers
01:18and yes we don't marry him
01:48we were going to get married Humphrey Bogart style at the reality
01:53it was all just crazy it was like wait what Charles and Tony are gay have been for 24 years
02:15now Tony's leaving Charles for my mother who's leaving my stepfather who raised us
02:22what the is happening I'm furious I'm so upset that I would introduce Tony into our family
02:35and that the two of them would just blow it all up for their own selfish needs not only did that rock of your family get just completely destroyed you know Charles and Tony boom that's blown up too
02:51we brought Laura in to interview her to see if Anthony had disclosed anything to her about the murder of Byron Griffey
03:06did Nancy told you about the death of byron Griffey
03:09Charles told me what did he tell you
03:12he just said they went out to go see a friend and have a lunch and they couldn't get on the property they kept calling him nobody came out to the gate to unlock it and let him in and so they left and then the guy ended up dead
03:28Yeah, I'm not so sure. I don't know either of these guys. How much contact have you had
03:43with Charles over the last five years? Tons. When do you know about Charles? Charles is
03:49dangerous. He scares me. Why? And I don't know why my intuition will tell me that, but it
03:56tells me everything else. If these guys are wrapped up in that homicide out east, one
04:06can't let the other one get hurt. Well, we all say that, but we all get surprised.
04:16When you guys came to Florence, how did you guys introduce yourselves?
04:29We did start off calling ourselves brothers. Initially figured that would help us get broken
04:38to the town. Yes, Charles and I were together for a long time, but we weren't really close
04:46physically. For the last 10 or 15 years, there was no romantic inclination between us. That
04:59had already faded by the time I was starting to have feelings for Laura. A few hours prior to this
05:12happening. I just told Charles, bottom line is I'm not going to stay with you. Charles's personality
05:20was controlling and I was okay with giving up businesses and personal belongings to just try
05:29and be happy. Laura told me that she was moving out. She had a place to go. And so I packed a bunch
05:36of clothes into a garbage bag and threw them in my car and went. I knew that Charles was very
05:44vindictive. I knew there would be problems in the future. But I was hoping to work through that.
05:55Always an optimist, I guess. Before I had even gotten to Laura, Charles had called her and
06:04let her end on everything. So she was freaking out pretty bad. I told her, yeah, it was true. But
06:12we weren't together for years physically. It was just basically a convenience because we were working
06:19the same businesses. I told her I was going to go talk to Charles again. And I was hoping I could
06:26just reason with him to be human about it. I drove all the way home. The one I got there. Charles was
06:34gone somewhere. So I left him a note. I had business credit cards and the business phone. So I just set
06:44it on the table. And I just walked out. I was a police officer in Florence in 2012. I believe it was a
06:54Sunday night. When I got called into the police department, they said, hey, Anthony's missing.
06:58There's a suicide note. 9-1-1-1-2 emergency. Charles was thinking Anthony was going to kill himself.
07:06He starts crying. You know, he's really upset. He was telling me, you know, he really loved Anthony.
07:11He was hoping he was all right. And he told us to check where the horses were.
07:16My mom was so distraught. She's like, Charles told me Anthony's going to kill himself. We have to find
07:21him. So my friends and I started driving around town. There's cop cars everywhere. All the love,
07:27going to the church, the Main Street Grill, all the places, you know. So we're like, oh man,
07:32where would he go? Like, what would he do? Where is he going to kill himself?
07:37I didn't know any of this was happening. I was hanging out with my horses.
07:48Yes, I had a firearm with me, but at the time I always had a firearm with me.
07:57A couple officers from the Florence Police Department showed up. So I just came wandering
08:02up. Hey, what's going on, guys? And how are you doing, buddy? And I'm like, fine. How are you
08:07doing? They were doing an evaluation to see if I was suicidal. If I wanted to commit suicide,
08:14I'd have done it. There was no reason not to. But I didn't because I wasn't going to commit
08:20suicide. The officers took me to Florence Police Department.
08:26Law enforcement did receive the note that Anthony had authored. Some believed it to be an admission
08:38of guilt with the murder of Byron Griffey.
08:40It says, I hold no one responsible for my actions, but myself. Please don't hold anyone
08:59else responsible for anything that I have done. And then I signed it. Anthony has right.
09:03Uh, I don't know. It's, it was a personal note to Charles about Laura, and that's all it was.
09:13If I'd have known CBI was going to read it, I probably would have worded it differently.
09:18We brought Charles in so that they both could be questioned.
09:22Do you remember pretty much everything we talked about back in October about the Byron thing?
09:26Would it be okay if we just squared up a couple of things?
09:28Just ready? Okay. Because there's been some things that I've found the last couple months
09:32that have been causing me some concern. Let me just go ahead and give you your rights real quick.
09:36You're still underwrites? You are not underwrites. No.
09:38I just want to make sure there's nothing else that you forgot.
09:41We had realized there were inconsistencies in their story. We were hoping at some point
09:48one would turn on the other and say something that hadn't been said before.
09:53Mark, if you have evidence, I don't believe you do it because I did not offend you. What have you got?
09:56Mark, if you have evidence that Charles and Anthony weren't brothers, wow, it was a sense of betrayal.
10:20I think a lot of people in Florence felt that way.
10:24It was almost like the whole town got duped.
10:30As an investigator for the Fremont County Coroner's Office, I would have to call funeral homes at strange hours of the night.
10:37And there'd be a call to Charles Giebler for him to come pick up somebody that just passed away.
10:43And he'd just say, hold on, talk to Anthony, and then roll over and give the phone to Anthony.
10:48So, you know, at that point, it's like, well, I don't sleep with my brother.
10:56Gay relationships have been in this world from the beginning of time.
11:01It's nothing new.
11:02It's who you are.
11:04And some people can't accept that.
11:07Lying about who you are and not wanting to tell everyone is self-preservation.
11:12It's really hard for me to wrap my head around how long of a relationship they had.
11:19This was a full-fledged, like, life that these guys built together.
11:23And so it's really hard that Tony's never really addressed it or, like, talked about it.
11:29And then being gay myself, it's like, you couldn't spot two other gay guys.
11:34I do understand why it wouldn't be public information, but they were, like, family to us.
11:39They could have trusted at least us to know their secret.
11:43Well, as long as we're sitting here today, I need to clear up some things, Tony.
11:54There's none that's still a Charles.
11:56But looked at your cell phone records, watched your travels that day.
12:00When you left the farm, you told me that you guys went and had lunch in Pueblo.
12:07There's about an hour of time that I need you to look out for.
12:11During the interviews with Charles and Anthony, they stated that they left Fowler about 1 o'clock.
12:17They drove to Pueblo.
12:19They ate lunch at a buffet restaurant, which they had a receipt for.
12:24We contacted the buffet restaurant to see if we could get some surveillance footage from the cameras.
12:31Unfortunately, the cameras had already erased themselves.
12:35As we're putting the timeline together, if they would have left Fowler a little before 1 o'clock,
12:43it's about a 35-minute drive from Fowler to the buffet.
12:48Receipts showed that they were stamped in at 226, which you pay before you eat.
12:53So there was almost an entire hour that was unaccounted for.
12:57It does not take an hour and a half to get from Fowler to the buffet.
13:06So, rack your brain, you know, it would be very unaccounted for you.
13:09I can hardly remember that date.
13:14And you've got an hour of driving around, no hour by other than each other.
13:20You must have been mistaken.
13:21Do you remember what you told me the day I talked to you Sunday, the day after Byron's death?
13:29Do you remember telling me what vehicle you drove out there?
13:31It was a black Mercedes S500 in 1997.
13:38It was the black before all Mercedes?
13:40Okay.
13:43Here's what was bothering me the most.
13:45I pulled the Savannah's video from different locations.
13:51I know you're not in the black Mercedes.
13:54In fact, I can tell you exactly what you're driving.
13:56I'm concerned why you're not being honest with me about that.
14:00I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about.
14:03They say that they're driving their Mercedes, they decide to go to lunch, then go by the
14:12Home Depot to buy the deck box that they're going to place out of the marina for their
14:17boat.
14:18We got surveillance footage that shows where they had bought the deck box.
14:23And the investigator was able to identify that they were in a white Astro van that is
14:29totally inconsistent with them being in their Mercedes.
14:33Imagine, if you will, how that looks.
14:38The day after I'm talking to you, you say black Mercedes, everybody says black Mercedes,
14:43and then I find out independently that you're in a different vehicle.
14:48Why are you being dishonest with us about the vehicle?
14:52Why would you lie about something as stupid as what vehicle you drove unless you don't?
14:57I don't believe I was lying.
14:59It must have been mistaken.
15:01I could have sworn to do that.
15:03To the best of my knowledge, the car that we drove down there was a black Mercedes.
15:09That was honestly primary mode of transportation for me.
15:15And my brain told me that that's what I was driving that day because it made sense.
15:19Tony, you're lying to me about what vehicle you're driving that day.
15:23It must have been mistaken.
15:25The next day you forgot what vehicle you drove?
15:28I didn't think there was any reason to have total recall of an average day.
15:34It wasn't an average day.
15:35Tony, a man died that day and you were there on his property when he died.
15:39I didn't know that at the time.
15:40Tony, I never made it past the gate.
15:43I don't know what to tell you.
15:44Both Charles and Anthony seemed to forget that they were in the Astro van.
15:51There was no other seating in the van other than the two front seats.
15:58Charles and Anthony had no intent on picking Byron up and taking him anywhere that day because there was nowhere for an 80-year-old man to sit in that van.
16:09Charles and Anthony were not there to take their friend for a birthday lunch.
16:16They were there to murder Byron.
16:20So, you know, guys, we did not do anything to Byron.
16:24That's the honest about the truth.
16:25Charles and Anthony denied everything.
16:28So, we start going through and looking closer.
16:32We learned they had some very deep, dark secrets that made me think, how can this case get any crazier?
16:50CBIA had told me that Charles and Anthony were suspects.
16:55They had a motive to kill my dad.
16:58I mean, it's all about money.
17:00The police were really focused on Charles and Anthony.
17:05So, it made me kind of second-guess Corey.
17:13Charles and Anthony is the only ones that knew that he was going to the farm.
17:18The farm itself is isolated.
17:21There would be no way that a neighbor would have heard a gunshot.
17:25Charles and Anthony's story was falling apart.
17:30And during the investigation, we uncovered some less than savory details about them.
17:36I think most funeral directors want to generally help people.
17:48And there's some that want to take advantage of people at their lowest point.
17:53The funeral home I worked for had a great reputation in this community.
17:57They've been in this community for generations.
17:59And then these guys come in and just snowball everybody.
18:05The people that hated Charles and Anthony were kind of the other business people in town.
18:10Because Charles did not play very well with them.
18:15A funeral director, it's all about being professional.
18:19You know, you go out to somebody's house and take one of their loved ones out the door that has just passed away.
18:27You shouldn't be in a t-shirt.
18:30These guys just kind of did whatever they wanted.
18:34Charles would show up in cargo shorts, flip-flops.
18:37I just couldn't believe it.
18:38I thought it was so unprofessional.
18:40Charles and Tony, they always put you in that situation where you were like,
18:46whew, that's kind of sketchy or like morally cloudy.
18:50They asked us to do a few shaky things here or there.
18:55It felt like you were kind of like in a little mini town mob.
18:59And Charles was the mob boss.
19:01Then we were the henchmen.
19:04These people were doing things that they shouldn't be doing.
19:07I mean, it felt like they were definitely out to get us.
19:13A smoke grenade was thrown through the window of the mortuary.
19:17And it's not like everybody in Florence just has smoke grenades.
19:21But Charles Giebler was heavily into weapons.
19:27Can't prove it was them.
19:29But nobody else is going to do that.
19:31And then years back, right around Pioneer Day,
19:37before the big parade,
19:39I had brought over the 39 Packard and the 38 Cadillac limo.
19:44It was very important to Bill Holt, the owner of the mortuary,
19:48that those vehicles be in that parade.
19:51We drove them over there the night before.
19:54The next day, all the ignition wires had been cut.
20:01The car wouldn't start.
20:03Somebody didn't want us in that parade
20:05and went in and snipped the wires behind the dash.
20:09It was obviously Charles and Anthony.
20:13Who else would do that?
20:15Charles always liked to talk about how he would get one over,
20:20especially on the IRS or the government
20:22or any kind of authority figure.
20:25Charles started that church so that he could become tax exempt
20:28and kind of funnel some funds through there.
20:34That was definitely not the first, like, tax scheme.
20:38Charles told me that you would not believe the tax breaks.
20:43That's why they did it.
20:44One of the obligations that law enforcement has
20:51is to investigate the background of any potential suspect.
20:56We became aware that Charles had been found catfishing.
20:59He was setting up these online relationships,
21:02clearly sexual in nature,
21:04in representing himself as a younger individual.
21:08This kid in New York, tell me about you.
21:10Facebook has this new thing, this little role-playing kind of game.
21:13It's just a game.
21:15A kid in New York didn't think it was a game.
21:16No, he didn't.
21:18Charles had a rock and roll mortician persona
21:22that he was trying to keep up,
21:24that he was, you know, younger, in a band,
21:28worked as a mortician.
21:29So is this a little game you spend on the Internet with these kids?
21:32I guess so.
21:33I confronted him about it.
21:35He said it's just a role-play.
21:39I said, okay, whatever.
21:41Well, a poor 18-year-old kid in New York was pretty devastated.
21:45He didn't know that Charles was a 50-whatever-year-old man.
21:49He thought he was a 25-year-old little hard-bodied kid.
21:52Charles, the things that he did in his life,
21:56like the catfishing and going into politics
21:59and the church being a bishop,
22:02that played into his narcissism.
22:05He liked to show off,
22:08be the man that people were talking about.
22:10Charles definitely thought of himself as above the law.
22:15Maybe he thought of himself as the law is more accurate
22:17because he had his own sense of justice
22:20and he also had God on his side.
22:24Charles also liked to boast.
22:27He would say, if I was ever going to kill someone,
22:29I would use a 22 to the back of the head.
22:36They were very much a threat, I believe, to the community.
22:40Everything that Charles and Anthony did was all a scam.
22:45And you've got to just wonder
22:47what happened to Irene Witte.
22:53Irene Witte and her husband Frank
22:55had lived in Florence almost all their lives.
22:59They operated the funeral home next door.
23:03When Frank Witte died, we took care of his wife
23:07because her family kind of just left her high and dry.
23:12I'd heard bad stories from Charles and Tony
23:15about how awful Irene's family was.
23:18And they're the ones that took care of her.
23:20They took her soup.
23:21They fed her.
23:22They took her to the doctor.
23:24Charles took over as a financial situation.
23:26And a week before she passed away,
23:31she had changed her will and left everything to them.
23:35The number was $700 to $1 million.
23:39I 100% believe Charles was part of Irene's death.
23:42Charles and Anthony always spent money.
23:49They liked to flash it around.
23:50But after Byron died, they took it up a notch.
23:55They bought boats, jet skis.
23:58They started spending money like crazy.
24:01At this time, business was slow.
24:04Charles and Tony weren't making much money at all.
24:07The caller of the Department of Revenue
24:10was attempting to shut down some of the businesses
24:13that Charles and Anthony owned for failure to pay taxes.
24:16So they were in financial trouble.
24:19It made us believe that that would have been a large motive
24:24as to why Byron was murdered.
24:29The next step was to get a search warrant
24:33for the White Astro Band.
24:37Knowing that they had bought the deck box
24:40and that they were at the North Shore Marina,
24:42we thought that they might have discarded the murder weapon.
24:46Divers were sent to look for a weapon.
24:50Unfortunately, we were not able to obtain the weapon from the marina.
24:55The evidence from the Astro Band came up empty.
24:59There was no DNA.
25:00There was no blood in the Astro Band.
25:02So again, we were pretty much at square one.
25:05At the same time, we had not been able to rule out other suspects,
25:12Tommy Tomlin and Corey Hicks.
25:15Tommy Tomlin did take a polygraph, which he failed.
25:19We couldn't pinpoint where Corey's whereabouts were,
25:22and Corey's alibi did have some holes in it.
25:26As we began to dig deeper,
25:28we found that Corey had a very good motive to hurt Byron.
25:34So, have you ever taken a polygraph before?
25:36No.
25:37Do you know anything about polygraphs?
25:38I don't know a whole heck of a lot about it
25:41other than heart rate, breathing rate, blood pressure,
25:43you know, all those nice physical things.
25:46Corey is extremely intelligent.
25:49He can take control of any situation that you put him in.
25:53How did you sleep last night?
25:55Um...
25:56Not so good?
25:58What was going on with you last night?
26:00I'm just going to shut my mind off thinking about today.
26:02About today?
26:03Okay.
26:03I was just nervous and just running all of it through my head.
26:08Okay.
26:08All right.
26:09So, what do you want this polygraph to prove to me?
26:13That it wasn't there.
26:14It didn't have anything to do with it.
26:16Okay.
26:16It's not me.
26:17Okay.
26:17Okay.
26:18So, I don't want to dredge up because it's obviously very serious and difficult for you
26:25to talk about what happened.
26:32But when I'm outside looking in, you have a pretty good moment to murder and fire.
26:48Based on what I understand, you made allegations that Byron was sexually assaulting you.
27:01Corey Higgs was Byron's step-grandson.
27:05I still assault him as my friend, even though I know it was ulteriorly motivating.
27:10On his part?
27:11Yeah.
27:12We got along really good if I was doing the sexual things that he wanted.
27:21He kind of had a dark side.
27:23Yeah.
27:25About a year before the murder, Corey had said that Byron would give him cash for sexual favors
27:32and that Byron would take care of him that way.
27:37Was there ever a time that you were consenting with him?
27:42You could say, yes, I was consenting, but I still didn't like the idea that was happening.
27:50I didn't like him.
27:52I mean, I didn't like what he did to me.
27:53I still feel bad.
27:56And even though I shouldn't, I still did.
28:02I think Corey accused Byron because none of us were bowing down to him anymore to get him
28:10out of foster care.
28:12Accusing my dad just seemed like that would have been something he'd have done just to
28:22hurt us.
28:24Prior to 2012, did you ever think of getting even with someone?
28:30Yes.
28:33So Byron is arrested.
28:36When we had the conversation with Byron, after he had posted bail, he said,
28:42I did not do anything, I did believe Byron.
28:51A case was opened and Byron was charged with sexual assault on a child by one in a position
28:57of trust.
28:58Byron was found guilty.
29:00After that, my dad couldn't see his grandkids.
29:06He went from the most loving, caring person to the most depressed, withdrawn person.
29:17He was embarrassed and ashamed that people believed what Corey had said.
29:23He was scared that Corey was going to sue him.
29:26I've known Byron for years.
29:29We were friends.
29:31Several weeks before he actually died, Byron had said, I have a letter to give to you.
29:36It was a letter in a sealed envelope.
29:40And he said, if something happens to me, be sure you do an autopsy and look at this letter.
29:49And he said, it's just concerning because of the situation surrounding him and Corey.
29:56Did he feel a threat against his life?
29:58Was something going on that was a major concern to him that was going to happen?
30:03What would have led Corey to actually murder Byron was my big thing.
30:11Time had passed.
30:13The court case with him was over.
30:15Corey didn't gain anything out of any of it, other than being able to hold Byron accountable.
30:23Corey lost everybody that was family to him.
30:27Did you murder Byron?
30:29Yeah.
30:30Did you ask anybody to do it for you?
30:32No.
30:33Did you walk out to his house or to the farm and go into this?
30:40I haven't been on that farm for almost three years.
30:48After Corey had taken his polygraph, the results came in and it was found that he passed it.
30:56At that point in time, Corey was ruled out as a suspect.
31:01We had no evidence that Corey was there, that he was involved.
31:06There's nothing that attaches him to this crime other than the fact that he had been molested by Byron Griffey.
31:14So that ruled him out in our eyes.
31:17I truly feel that if Corey would have walked up to the farm, Byron would have been on the phone calling 911.
31:22I don't think Byron would have willingly opened the door for Corey prior to the murder.
31:29During the investigation, we began to realize that there's another side to Byron that people didn't know.
31:38Everybody knew, the young males, if you needed money for something, you'd just go see Byron.
31:45He had ways of letting them earn money, never got any specifics.
31:51Byron, I think, was embarrassed.
31:55You have to remember that men of his age who were gay, they didn't talk about it.
32:03Byron got a divorce long ago from Lynette's mom.
32:08I personally never spoke to Byron about sexuality, but I think that Byron was extremely lonely
32:16as far as a partner-type relationship.
32:23Tommy Tomlin was someone who would do just about anything for money.
32:28As time went on, we started to hear that he was in a relationship with Byron,
32:33that he kind of withheld from us from the start.
32:37So the next step was to meet with Tommy again.
32:46I'd like to clear this up tonight.
32:50So why? Because I don't want to ever talk to you guys again.
32:53Then help me out.
32:55There is something else that happened.
32:58All right.
32:59I heard that.
33:05I heard that.
33:07I appreciate your candor.
33:08I'm not in that.
33:11All right.
33:14There was a relationship between Tommy and Byron that was more than your everyday handyman.
33:21He would do odd jobs around the house.
33:23Byron would invite him over to have turkey pot pies and to watch porn.
33:29And Byron would give him money for sexual favors.
33:38I don't need to know any details, but where did this happen outside?
33:41At his house in town.
33:43Not on the farm.
33:44It was hot.
33:46You have now helped me to help you.
33:51With Tommy Tomlin, knowing his drug issues.
33:55If Tommy killed Byron in a heat of passion, it probably wouldn't have been at the farm.
34:00And it probably wouldn't have been as clean as it was.
34:03So it was at this time that we kind of started shying away from Tommy as a top suspect.
34:10What motive did he have?
34:12I mean, he could have worked for my dad every day and got money.
34:16And now he gets nothing.
34:18So I didn't see that Tommy had any motive to do it.
34:27This was a very hard case.
34:30We felt that we were getting very close to making arrest warrants for Charles and Anthony.
34:36But the moment we thought we had it figured out, there was a turn.
34:41And now we had another dead body on our hands.
34:51A few months after Byron's murder, we felt that we were getting very close to being able to make an arrest of Charles and Anthony.
35:00And we were in the process of drafting the arrest warrant.
35:03And they were aware that they were being investigated for the murder of Byron.
35:06It was tough.
35:18We're dealing with the family collapse.
35:21My mom had left my stepdad, Dave, for Tony.
35:24And now this murder investigation is fully happening.
35:28And, like, Charles and Anthony are suspects.
35:31But they were always assuring me that this was nothing.
35:34And it was going to go away.
35:38Charles was just absolutely wrought.
35:43Anger, fear, stress.
35:46And you could just see it on him.
35:49Charles called and he told me Anthony had left him.
35:53And that they were going to be charged with murder and picked up the next day.
35:58So he said, need to come get your dad's coins.
36:03CBI told me to go then.
36:05But I was scared and I didn't trust Charles.
36:08We knew that Charles and Anthony were accused of killing Byron.
36:14So we took Harry Tomlin with us just to be safe.
36:19I am legally allowed to steal Carrie.
36:23So I brought a weapon with me.
36:26Basically, I was their guardian angel.
36:28Charles and Tony lived in a big, beautiful Victorian home that they had restored.
36:41It was the first and only time I had ever been in their house.
36:44We weren't allowed to go to the secret room.
36:48Charles and his friend were bringing everything to the living room.
36:51When the state quarters came out, there's 50 states.
36:57My dad had bought four boxes of each.
37:00They gave me back 60 boxes.
37:03A couple pennies, whatever.
37:06It was nothing compared to what they took.
37:08But Charles said nothing.
37:11No explanation as to where my dad's money went.
37:15I was told there was a million dollars worth of coins.
37:18But there was a semantial amount missing.
37:22When Charles and Anthony came out to the farm to get Byron's coins,
37:26they used a very heavy-duty van.
37:29Charles and Anthony loaded that van until it was squatting.
37:35So you knew that you were getting to capacity.
37:39When we went to pick up the coins, we had just a regular pickup truck,
37:46and it didn't even fill half of the bed.
37:50Like, the truck didn't squat at all.
37:53Charles kept saying, I wanted to show you something.
37:56Like, he kept trying to get me alone in, like, the dining room area.
38:02But I was scared of him, and I didn't want to be in the room alone with him.
38:06Harry made sure that that didn't happen.
38:08None of us were ever alone with Charles.
38:12As we were driving back from Florence, I called CBI and told them what all had happened and everything.
38:24And after I hung up, we kept driving.
38:28And when we got about at Pueblo West, the passenger side window just shattered.
38:40Somebody came up and shot out the side window and then sped off,
38:46and then at the next light flipped around and went back towards Florence.
38:51I don't know. I think I'm lucky that I wasn't shot that night.
38:57The next day, I was trying to get hold of Charles.
39:09I had some questions about the funeral home.
39:12I had chatted with Pam at the restaurant, and Pam was trying to get hold of him also.
39:18I got a call from Angela, who was running the mortuary.
39:23She said she hadn't heard from Charles, and she wanted me to meet her over at the house.
39:29And I told her, absolutely not. I'm sorry, I can't.
39:34But Tony brought Pam the key to the house, and we drove out to the house.
39:41We were really kind of hoping the car wouldn't be there, and then he'd just be somewhere.
39:45But the car was there, and so we went in, and we couldn't find him upstairs.
39:55And we went downstairs and found him in the downstairs bathroom.
40:08My friends, and we're going by Charles' house,
40:13and there's ambulances everywhere.
40:18I'll pull over.
40:20Just enough time to watch them.
40:30Pull him out on the stretcher, and I was like, what the f***?
40:34There's a lot of unanswered questions about this case.
40:47It would be nice if somebody stepped up and answered for what they did.
40:52The questions that I still have 12 years later is ridiculous.
40:56It's suspicious that Charles passed away.
40:59Somebody wanted him dead.
41:01I think it was a suicide because he didn't want to have to go through prison time.
41:10The big unanswered question I have is what really happened to Charles?
41:15Was he involved with Byron's murder?
41:17And what happened to all of Byron's gold?
41:22Where did it go?
41:24Where did it all go?
41:25I think it was the middle of a challenge.
41:27Where did it all go?
41:28Where did it go?
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