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A série Duna: Profecia conta a história de como a Irmandade Bene Gesserit surgiu. O prelúdio se passa 10 mil anos antes dos acontecimentos dos filmes de Duna.
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00:00Uma das coisas que eu amo sobre Dune é que ela sempre pergunta, o que significa ser humano?
00:07E eu acho que isso é algo que também devemos considerar
00:09quando nós intervamos mais com a tecnologia.
00:30Eu acho que foi muito inspirado por Brian Herbert e Kevin J. Anderson's books,
00:36Sisterhood of Dune, e o whole Schools Trilogy,
00:40que é realmente, eu não sei, um, muito interessante a parte da Imperium,
00:44a Young Imperium, que foi realmente divertido a trabalhar em.
00:48Mas nós também conseguimos ter um pouco de nosso story
00:52um pouco depois o livro, e isso nos deu a chance
00:55to kind of shape Volia Harkonnen's life story
00:57in a way that we felt that would be, I don't know, best for television.
01:11Ooh, what was our main inspiration?
01:13You know, I think in the books,
01:17there's a lot of references to what it was like
01:19to fight in those great machine wars.
01:22So, um, we wanted to, even though we kind of
01:25quickly get a glimpse of what it was like,
01:28we wanted to make it kind of terrifying
01:30and, you know, the impact of devastating the war.
01:35And there's pieces of those thinking machines
01:38that are interesting to our story
01:41as you go on and watch to the end of the show.
01:44So, they hold a lot of interesting tidbits
01:49in terms of reveals.
01:50Yeah, absolutely.
01:51And I think, you know, this idea that
01:53can you ever really put the genie back in the bottle?
01:56Like, thinking machines are outlawed.
01:58They've been, you know, humanity has freed themselves.
02:02But can they ever truly, can something ever truly go away?
02:06And I think from the get-go,
02:08we sort of imply that, like, they're out there.
02:10They're out there in ways,
02:12and at first we see a sort of small toy,
02:14but, like, what else is out there?
02:15So, that's always fun to think about.
02:17I mean, sure.
02:33I mean, we'd have to give massive credit
02:35to our visual effects team.
02:37Mike Enriquez, our designer, Taryn Pratt, our producer.
02:40I mean, together with their teams,
02:43we were in dialogue for a long time,
02:46developing what that would look like.
02:47And we knew we wanted it to feel immersive
02:51and, like, something that we hadn't seen before.
02:54And you may not be able to tell,
02:55but those patterns going up the branches in that room
02:58are all genetic code in various places.
03:02And, you know, we just wanted it to feel unfamiliar,
03:04but also register as digital, register as dangerous.
03:09How do you bring to life a family tree?
03:11You know what I mean?
03:11Through the eyes of a thinking machine.
03:13The War on Thinking Machines,
03:26you know, that was just a classic, you know,
03:28humanity let loose a technology
03:30that took on a life of its own
03:32and a thinking of its own
03:33and then intermingled with humans
03:37in a way that made it very dangerous
03:40and led to a lot of subjugation and suffering
03:44and it took a revolt.
03:45Yeah, and I think our show is showing you
03:48two versions of it
03:49that actually are kind of one cohesive version,
03:53which is that there's one,
03:54there's a conflict directly against thinking machines
03:57that we kind of show you in the beginning.
03:59But in 104 last night,
04:01you start to see that as thinking machines
04:03come back into the population,
04:06certain people, you know, use them and not.
04:08And what do people think of other people
04:11who use machines and those who don't?
04:13And that can also kind of spur...
04:15Some kind of conflict.
04:16Yeah, definitely.
04:20Sorceress.
04:21The Reckoning is coming.
04:33That's a really good question.
04:35I mean, I think both is the answer.
04:38Like, I think there were times
04:39where the thinking machines,
04:41as Jordan was saying,
04:42like in the Great Revolt,
04:43it was very much like man versus machine
04:45and they were...
04:46The machine was the threat.
04:48But I would say before you got to that place
04:50and even after,
04:51it is that mingling.
04:52I think that's what Frank Herbert is,
04:54you know, very drawn to,
04:55that idea that it's the choice of human beings
04:58to give over their thinking.
05:00and that's dangerous.
05:04I would agree with that.
05:05I think the moment,
05:07I think the real original sin
05:09is the moment where you choose to do,
05:11to allow a thing to be
05:12an instrument of control
05:15and domination.
05:17And that happens in thinking machines
05:19in this world,
05:20but then it happens,
05:21you know, with power in general,
05:23the way the governments are willing
05:24in this particular,
05:26in our series in particular.
05:28And the way,
05:29sometimes the way the sisterhood
05:30interjects itself.
05:31Yeah.
05:32You know what I mean?
05:32And I would agree,
05:33humans are absolutely dangerous too.
05:45Well, I think that artificial intelligence,
05:47like you said,
05:48is coming for us.
05:49Like, I mean,
05:50it is definitely being developed
05:51in a way that feels unstoppable to me.
05:54So I think any conversation
05:56that we have about
05:57the boundaries of that
05:58or the uses of that
06:01and the limits we want to put on it
06:03or not
06:04are very valuable
06:06and kind of emergency conversations
06:08to be having, I think.
06:10And I think that's in keeping with the show.
06:13One of the things I love about Dune
06:14is it always asks,
06:15what does it mean to be human?
06:16And I just think that is something
06:18to also be considering
06:19as we interface more
06:21with our technology.
06:23I can't say it any better than that.
06:24I think one of the things,
06:25one of the more powerful powers
06:27that the sisterhood has
06:28is to be able to discern the truth
06:31from lies.
06:32And I feel like, you know,
06:34that's an important way
06:36of controlling, you know,
06:38people, you know,
06:39because sometimes the truth
06:41is the truth
06:42and sometimes it's a story
06:43that's made to feel like the truth.
06:45When you start to kind of
06:47bring in all these other entities,
06:49like a thinking machine
06:51that has the ability
06:52to tell its own narrative
06:54and make it feel like
06:54it's telling you the truth,
06:56you could lose yourself to it.
06:57So you got to be very careful
06:58to kind of distinguish,
06:59like, what the truth is.
07:01You know what I mean?
07:01Do your thinking for yourself.
07:03And who's driving who.
07:04I actually think Dune
07:21speaks to almost every decade.
07:23It's like, because it's about power,
07:25because it's about politics,
07:27because it's about humanity.
07:28And there's so much to be gleaned,
07:31I feel like, at every...
07:33because it's always operating.
07:34I mean, people are always
07:35jockeying for power
07:36and we're always making up stories
07:38about our leaders
07:39and we have charismatic leaders
07:41and what does it mean
07:42to believe in them
07:44or question them?
07:45And I guess the same goes
07:46for institutions.
07:47Yeah, true.
07:48I think what makes Dune
07:49very powerful and resonant
07:51throughout the decades
07:52is that it really challenged
07:54conventional storytelling
07:56in the sense of, like,
07:57the hero's journey.
07:59It really kind of pushes
08:00this message of, like,
08:01you know, beware of your heroes.
08:03One day they can be heroes
08:04and the things they do
08:05the next day
08:05makes them the villain
08:06and then back again.
08:08And I feel like
08:09that's a really honest way
08:11of looking at the world we live in.
08:14And the complexity of people.
08:15I mean, we've always wanted
08:28to tell the story of
08:29how did the sisterhood go
08:31from being a sisterhood
08:32to being the Bene Gesserit
08:34that you see in the Frank Herbert novels
08:35and in the films.
08:37And so that would take
08:38more than one season.
08:39So, you know,
08:40we hope, hope, hope
08:41that people enjoy season one
08:43and watch it
08:44and we get to tell
08:44more of that story.
08:46I mean, that said,
08:47I think season one
08:48will be satisfying
08:49and there are answers coming
08:50and there's, you know,
08:52reveals and, you know,
08:54I think it very much
08:55will feel like a season
08:56by the end of it,
08:57but there's more story.
08:59Yeah, when you get to
09:00the finale of our story,
09:02what you're going to learn,
09:03you're going to want
09:04to know more.
09:20I mean, look,
09:21you could go backwards
09:23to the Butlerian Jihad
09:24and that would be
09:25like an amazing place
09:27and I think fans have been
09:28actually pointing that out,
09:30but I also think
09:31there's stuff after.
09:32You could even go far
09:34in the future
09:34past Dune Messiah
09:35and that would be
09:36very tricky,
09:37but also there's
09:38an amazing story there.
09:39I mean, do you have
09:41a direction you would go in?
09:41I mean, you mean
09:42in another story
09:43that's not based on Dune
09:44or in a story
09:45based on Dune?
09:46A story based on Dune.
09:48In Dune.
09:49Yeah, I mean,
09:50I think what's kind of
09:51fascinating is,
09:53you know, spice,
09:54the nature of spice
09:56and how it affects
09:57the kind of economy
10:00in this universe,
10:01but also the livelihoods.
10:02I think it's kind of
10:03interesting to kind of
10:03really kind of get down
10:04into the specifics of it.
10:07I always thought that
10:08the kind of,
10:10that's sort of
10:11in the periphery
10:12of all these Dune stories,
10:13the kind of criminal element,
10:14like the smugglers
10:15and all that,
10:16that's a fascinating world
10:17to kind of,
10:17and we kind of touch on it
10:19a little bit
10:19in our show right now.
10:20That's a fascinating world,
10:21you know.
10:22You know,
10:23this is an interstellar society
10:25that they obviously
10:26have spread all over
10:28the universe.
10:28They have technology.
10:29they've gone through
10:31periods of ultimate technology,
10:33but it's still
10:33the Wild West out there.
10:35And I think that's really,
10:36it gives you a lot of
10:37kind of interesting places
10:38to tell stories.
10:40Yeah,
10:40and even in our series,
10:41I mean,
10:41like there are other schools
10:43that would be very interesting
10:44to see kind of
10:45take up more space
10:46and sort of compete
10:47with the sisterhood.
10:48so there's even more
10:50in our time period.
11:02Oh,
11:02I've said this,
11:04I've read it as a teenager
11:05and I just think
11:06there's a couple books
11:07that had a very
11:09profound impact on me
11:10and that was one of them.
11:11I can really remember
11:13the experience of reading it.
11:14I can see the book cover.
11:16I can be in my room.
11:17I can just close my eyes
11:18and think of Dune
11:19and it brings me back
11:20to my youth
11:21in a very,
11:22very tangible way.
11:23So,
11:24but from that moment on,
11:26there's so much Dune material
11:27out there to engage with
11:29and I always kept my eye out
11:30for more and more.
11:32Like I just,
11:32from that point on.
11:34Yeah.
11:34I mean,
11:34I was a Star Wars kid,
11:35so growing up
11:36as a Star Wars kid
11:37and then when you read Dune
11:38the first time
11:39and you understand it,
11:40it's complex.
11:41you've got to read it
11:41a few times
11:42to kind of grasp it,
11:43but it really opens your eye
11:44to like what the possibilities
11:45are in that genre of sci-fi
11:47and you realize,
11:49I mean,
11:49just how influential
11:50it really is
11:51to all the stories
11:52we've kind of loved
11:54from 1965 on.
11:56It's influenced it all,
11:57you know?
12:08Well,
12:08I think inventing
12:10whole worlds
12:11that had never been
12:12on screen before.
12:13I mean,
12:13we loved bringing
12:14Lankavale to life
12:15and Wallach 9 to life
12:17and the Sisterhood.
12:19That to me felt like
12:20very innovative territory
12:22that was really
12:24the heart of our series
12:26was kind of trying
12:27to build out
12:27the Imperium.
12:28I mean,
12:29on a personal level,
12:30I mean,
12:30the thing I think
12:31that was,
12:31it's not innovative,
12:32but the thing I think
12:33creatively,
12:34you know,
12:34kind of exciting
12:36was building out
12:37Mother Superior's wardrobe
12:40for when she goes
12:42into the Imperial planet.
12:43I think that was
12:44really kind of cool
12:44to see what she would wear
12:46if she wasn't wearing
12:47in a full Trussayer gown,
12:48like how she would
12:49appear there.
12:50I thought that was
12:50really kind of fun.
12:51Sisterhood above all.
13:09That is cool!
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