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A Storyville documentary telling the story of Tanja Nijmeijer, the former teacher who became a member of the Colombian FARC rebel group.
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00:00:00A search is going on in Colombia for three suspected CIA agents who are believed to have
00:00:19been kidnapped by the rebel group, the FARC.
00:00:22The crash site of the plane that the Americans had been flying in was found yesterday.
00:00:26Two other passengers were found shot dead.
00:00:56To interview the three Americans.
00:01:03I arrived at a point, a place, where it appears in meat and meat, the same Mono Jojoy.
00:01:15Good morning.
00:01:16Good morning.
00:01:20Jojoy was the most loved and most hated of the guerrilla chiefs in the guerrilla.
00:01:27Jojoy had 500 prisoners in the profundity of La Solva.
00:01:34Just like the Mono Jojoy, I shut a door and inside my eyes appear, the three Americans
00:01:41sitting in a very dark space, very sordid.
00:01:44No, he can't stop, and I'm still aware of this.
00:01:49We are recording. We are recording.
00:01:50I open a door and in front of my eyes the three Americans
00:01:55are sitting in a very dark room, very sordid.
00:02:01We are recording. We are recording.
00:02:08And suddenly the Mono Jojoy says,
00:02:12and I hear a woman's voice.
00:02:22The commander who is sitting next to you
00:02:25has said a few moments ago that you are CIA agents.
00:02:30No, no, no.
00:02:32We're civilian conductors.
00:02:35The press says that you are CIA agents.
00:02:37No, no, no.
00:02:39I think about you every day, and just wait for me, baby.
00:02:46When the images came out, everyone got out of there
00:02:50and started to publish the history of the three Americans.
00:02:53I'm waiting to come home. Just wait for me.
00:02:56If a woman was there translating,
00:02:58it seemed to be so notorious, so notorious.
00:03:03We want the national and international community
00:03:05to be absolutely clear about this,
00:03:07who is this woman? What does she do here?
00:03:12How did she get to the Fars? Who brought her?
00:03:17And instead, to me, it became a kind of obsession
00:03:23of Tania Niemeyer, the Holandese of the Fars.
00:03:27Can I have a million seconds to give up?
00:03:29If not.
00:03:31A Dutch girl is on the Colombian career movement, the VARC.
00:03:52The young woman of around the 20 years uses the name Aileen.
00:03:56She has been fighting with the VARC for 5 years.
00:04:01The VARC has been battling the Colombian government for nearly 4 decades.
00:04:12The guerrillas are mostly peasants from villages around Colombia.
00:04:16They are standing against the government and serving the course of revolution.
00:04:21Momenteel is there a lot of speculation about how it can with a Groninx girl in Colombia.
00:04:26She is just a terrorist.
00:04:28Not more and less than that.
00:04:30Do you see yourself as a terrorist?
00:04:31No, of course not.
00:04:32Of course not.
00:04:33Of course not.
00:04:34Of course not.
00:04:35Do you see yourself as a terrorist?
00:04:36No, of course not.
00:04:40Do you see yourself as a terrorist?
00:04:41No, of course not.
00:04:42Do you see yourself as a terrorist?
00:04:55No, of course not.
00:04:57No, of course not.
00:04:59Yes, of course not.
00:05:04I grew up in Dänikam, which is a very small village.
00:05:28I think that really small villages are pretty much the same in the whole world.
00:05:36There's a saying in Colombia that goes something like, a small village, a big hell, you know?
00:05:46I was very fed up in that little village.
00:05:50People just grow up there and die there, you know?
00:05:54I wanted to see something else.
00:05:58I read in the university newspaper that some school in Colombia was looking for an English
00:06:03teacher.
00:06:06I went to the embassy to get my visa for Colombia, and they told me, did you know that in Colombia
00:06:14there's a civil war going on?
00:06:17And I didn't have any idea about it.
00:06:18Bravo, muchachos!
00:06:19There are two groups of rebels in Colombia, FARC on the left and the paramilitary groups
00:06:27on the right.
00:06:28The paramilitaries are financed by wealthy landowners protecting themselves from the guerrillas.
00:06:34The paramilitaries are also linked to the other armed force, the Colombian army.
00:06:42That's a lot of people carrying a lot of weapons, fighting in Latin America's longest civil war.
00:06:46Colombia is a great sign of interrogation.
00:06:55Colombia is a misterio, Colombia is a rompecabezas, muy difícil de armar.
00:07:0795% de las tierras está en manos de un 5% de propietarios.
00:07:29Colombia.
00:07:53Can there be more fight for Colombia?
00:07:57I arrived in Bogotá, and I was like, wow, this is dangerous.
00:08:09But I started teaching.
00:08:13I used to watch a lot of television to improve my Spanish.
00:08:18Every day on television there were attacks from the guerrilla forces on the countryside.
00:08:26And I used to watch those attacks.
00:08:31And I started to ask myself questions, you know, like, if they are such bad people as
00:08:35everybody around me tells me, why are they so big?
00:08:46So I started to speak a lot with the math teacher at that school, and she started to speak to
00:08:52me actually, and she was like, why are you interested in the conflict?
00:08:57And I was like, well, I just see so many things on television, I'm just wondering what the conflict
00:09:02is about, why the guerrilla army is so big, what those people fight for, you know?
00:09:10Because people could not even explain that to me.
00:09:14She didn't only, like, explain me things about the conflict, but also about social inequality
00:09:20in Colombia.
00:09:23When the war was gathered, they were asking me questions, why did they come out of the
00:09:34war?
00:09:35Arrhen movemientos campesinos en los años 60, que están buscando básicamente conseguir reivindicaciones
00:09:45sociales y económicas.
00:09:48appear in the scene the so-called Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionaries of Colombia, the Farc.
00:09:57Campesinos looking for a better level of life.
00:10:02They had a huge repression against them.
00:10:05In the past six decades, that small community of armed campesinos became one of the biggest guerrillas of Latin America.
00:10:24It arrived in the year 2000 to become a small revolutionary army,
00:10:31facing the state with the desire to build a new political and social system based on the Marxist ideas of ministers.
00:10:41How do you feel?
00:10:50I'm fine. I'm a little tired.
00:11:04Social inequality in Colombia was very shocking for me.
00:11:09The oldest two worlds totally torn apart, you know?
00:11:24Everything for me was a class struggle.
00:11:27The people against the oppressors, the political class, the elites in this country.
00:11:33Here, the state is of elites who only enrich themselves and abuse.
00:11:50That, at the beginning, I didn't give up to them.
00:11:56I didn't give up to them and I didn't want to believe that, maybe.
00:12:00But with the time, I was seeing, and there comes that practical aspect,
00:12:04I was seeing in the practice that it was, that it was, that it was, that it was, that it was.
00:12:08The terrorism of the state.
00:12:09Juro a Dios y prometo al pueblo, cumplir fielmente la Constitución y las leyes de Colombia.
00:12:17Pero un estado existe precisamente para cumplir una función social.
00:12:22Eso era lo que yo pensaba, ¿no?
00:12:25Y pues aquí no.
00:12:31Álvaro Uribe era un político regional.
00:12:35En un momento de su vida, ocurre una tragedia familiar, que es la muerte de su padre.
00:12:45Los hombres armados matan a su padre, hieren a su hermano.
00:12:50Y a partir de ese momento, Uribe encuentra razón de vida.
00:12:56¿Cuál es la venganza?
00:12:59Gana las elecciones destinado a convencer a los colombianos de que él es capaz de derrotar militarmente a la guerra.
00:13:08Y se desata una furia paramilitar que arrasa con poblaciones enteras.
00:13:17Matar campesinos.
00:13:28Masacrar poblaciones.
00:13:32Ir a lugares donde supuestamente la guerrilla tiene apoyo de la población civil.
00:13:39Y escarmentarlos.
00:13:42Quitarle los brazos y la cabeza con una motosierra.
00:13:46Miles y miles de colombianos son asesinados por grupos paramilitares que actúan con la complacencia del Estado.
00:13:58La guerra paramilitaria era la gente que arrastra la guerra que el Estado no quería arrastrar.
00:14:16No quería arrastrar.
00:14:19El carro grande es aquí.
00:14:21Donde se le plantearía a ellos que los carros oficiales se hayan puesto...
00:14:24Me acuerdo.
00:14:25Me acuerdo.
00:14:26Me acuerdo.
00:14:27Me acuerdo.
00:14:28Me acuerdo.
00:14:29Me acuerdo.
00:14:30Me acuerdo.
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00:14:35Me acuerdo.
00:14:36Me acuerdo.
00:14:37Me acuerdo.
00:14:38Me acuerdo.
00:14:39Me acuerdo.
00:14:40Me acuerdo.
00:14:41Me acuerdo.
00:14:42Me acuerdo.
00:14:43Me acuerdo.
00:14:44Me acuerdo.
00:14:45Me acuerdo.
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00:14:55Me acuerdo.
00:14:56Me acuerdo.
00:14:57Me acuerdo.
00:14:58Me acuerdo.
00:15:00People were being killed, being threatened.
00:15:03It was kind of a stressful situation.
00:15:29That journey was important for me.
00:15:36Really the strength was the fact that we were all foreigners.
00:15:40There is some respect for foreigners.
00:15:44I remember those people being very grateful for us arriving there.
00:15:52It showed me that there is something you can do as a foreigner.
00:15:58You know?
00:16:00And I started to think at some point that I would like to contribute in some way to the struggle in Colombia.
00:16:11¡Viva el movimiento bolivariano por la nueva Colombia!
00:16:16¡Viva! ¡Viva!
00:16:23The fact is that the 90's were very successful for the guerrilla.
00:16:27At that point it was a collective project of about 13.000 people...
00:16:33...who were all weaponized and all wanted to take the power over.
00:16:39For a better Colombia, a more legalized Colombia, you know?
00:16:44I had a lot of time to work with the guerrilla.
00:16:56And I knew perfectly what that meant.
00:16:59I wanted to see how the guerrilla would take power over.
00:17:03And I was very convinced that that would happen at some point.
00:17:08That the guerrilla would take power over.
00:17:10I wanted to mí that I didn't think I would take power over.
00:17:11...that I thought it would take power over.
00:17:12You can control it.
00:17:13But I didn't think it would be particularly good in that area.
00:17:14I wanted to do that as a result.
00:17:15But in the beginning this year I didn't think I wanted to do that.
00:17:16I started to work with the guerrilla in the city.
00:17:34At the beginning only political activities and then military activities.
00:17:39When I came to the bus station in Bogota,
00:17:43I was sent to a woman who would throw a bomb.
00:17:47But I didn't do anything with that.
00:17:50It was only with her.
00:17:53At 11 and 10 minutes of the morning,
00:17:57there was an explosion here in the interior of this bus of Transmilenio.
00:18:01Three bottles with a liquid explosion were located here.
00:18:05Fortunately, no one was hurt.
00:18:08I was sent to gravities at the national university in Bogota.
00:18:20And then, you know, I wanted to put a bomb on it.
00:18:25I was working as English teacher at a university.
00:18:32And after that work, I did military activities for the FARC in the city.
00:18:39I don't believe that much in social projects or NGOs or stuff like that.
00:19:01I think it's important that people have the opportunity or the possibility to take up arms
00:19:09if they are being misused by the government.
00:19:12You know, I think it's a right if a government becomes a tyranny.
00:19:17It has to be through weapons because it's not going to happen in another way.
00:19:22That was like the way I was thinking by then.
00:19:25I thought if we take over power, that could be an example for other countries.
00:19:31And maybe that will change the world.
00:19:33You know, that's quite naive.
00:19:35But you have to start at some place, you know.
00:19:38And that place for me was Colombia.
00:19:48A car bomb has wrecked an exclusive club in the Colombian capital Bogota,
00:19:52killing at least 25 people and injuring more than 150 others.
00:19:56There are people who are hurt, there are people who are dead.
00:19:59The situation is very grave, John.
00:20:01It's an act of the most detestable that there can be.
00:20:04I think it's an act of dementia, of dementia.
00:20:08What's it, Ocarina?
00:20:09Hayzas attack on theallos.
00:20:10There are people who are conversing in that lives.
00:20:16No.
00:20:18Look, look, be right, go.
00:20:19No issues.
00:20:20We have never had a phrase wrong.
00:20:22We have never done a such action.
00:20:23The objectives we made in the cities
00:20:24were always asking to kill all the many entities,
00:20:28that were already fighting the ability.
00:20:30This is another way,
00:20:34but before this incident,
00:20:36by other units, also by the ATFAR,
00:20:42obviously, trying to hit the center of political power
00:20:46and its clandestine alliance and mafiosa
00:20:51with the paramilitarism.
00:20:58The country again suffers a terrible threat
00:21:03of these groups.
00:21:06UNEV les anunció una recompensa de 500 millones de pesos
00:21:09a las personas que colaboren y entreguen la información
00:21:11para dar con el paradero y capturar a los responsables del atentado.
00:21:21No estaba involucrada,
00:21:23pero por causa de Nogal,
00:21:25las personas estaban disparadas.
00:21:28La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:31La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:33La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:34La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:35La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:36¿Qué quieren hacer?
00:21:38Y me dijo,
00:21:39bueno,
00:21:40yo no quiero ser desconectada de ustedes.
00:21:42Entonces,
00:21:43voy a ir con ustedes a la zona.
00:21:44La estructura fue quemada.
00:21:45No,
00:21:46BY,
00:21:48la estructura fue quemada.
00:21:50Oh, my God.
00:22:20Ik heb Tanja ontmoet in Groningen, in een studentenhuis, want ik had verkering met een jongen die woonde in dat studentenhuis.
00:22:43En dat is eigenlijk hoe Tanja en ik bevriend zijn geraakt.
00:22:46Mensen hebben mij heel vaak gevraagd later ook van, was Tanja altijd heel politiek of sociaal betrokken?
00:22:58Maar als ik daar op terugkijk, kan ik eigenlijk alleen maar zeggen, nee, dat vond ik niet.
00:23:05We hadden allebei een zekere mate van idealisme.
00:23:11Toen belde ze me en toen zei ze, Jans, ik ga de jungle in om daar les te geven aan de indianen.
00:23:18Dat ze iets goeds kon doen, dat ze kon helpen.
00:23:22Dus dat was het voorjaar van 2003.
00:23:25En daarna hoorden we inderdaad een tijdje niks van haar.
00:23:28I remember when we arrived there that I was given two uniforms.
00:23:47I was given rubber boots.
00:23:49I was given the machete, which is like a big knife you have to cut trees with, and they gave us a mosquito net.
00:24:04People were very curious about me.
00:24:07People used to think that Holland is a place in Colombia, and asked me, why do you speak so strange?
00:24:14It was my first experience living in a community.
00:24:28Aller liefste Jans, hoe gaat het daar?
00:24:33Ik heb al lange tijd niets kunnen mailen, maar ik heb hier mijn schrift vol met brieven voor jou.
00:24:39Over mijn avonturen, mijn dromen, mijn tegenspoed.
00:24:43En dat zal ik voor je bewaren, voor als we elkaar weer zien.
00:24:53Tanya en ik hebben allebei een liefde voor schrijven.
00:24:57Allebei hielden we dagboeken bij, als student zijnde.
00:25:01En op het moment dat Tanya naar Colombia zijn, we zijn we eigenlijk ook elkaar altijd blijven schrijven.
00:25:08Dan zetten we onze gedachten continu op papier, eigenlijk als een brief aan elkaar.
00:25:12En misschien niet eens heel bewust met dat we alles ooit zouden kunnen lezen, want ik schreef Lieve Tan, zij schreef Lieve Jans.
00:25:22Maak je niet druk om mij.
00:25:28Je bent me niet kwijt, in het tegendeel.
00:25:31Tijdens de lange uren dat ik op wacht sta, fantaseer ik over thee drinken, boodschapjes doen, kletsen, uitgaan met jou.
00:25:40Of over het moment dat we elkaar weer zullen zien.
00:25:42Ik ben begonnen met haar, maar met de knowledge dat ze nooit zouden komen komen.
00:25:51Het was meer dan mijn diagrie, maar ik wilde ik spreken met een persoon die ik vertrouwte.
00:26:00Janneke.
00:26:01Dus dat is toen ik begonnen met haar.
00:26:04Het was niet uitgevoelig toen ik het aan het in de gebieden van de gebieden van het Europa.
00:26:34that apparently could be a stranger, strange.
00:26:39To me particularly,
00:26:41the attention of self-exigence,
00:26:44not only for material tasks,
00:26:47but also for military preparation.
00:26:51She always said that she wanted to be part of the combat units.
00:27:04I just became one of the family.
00:27:11We were a lot of bad things,
00:27:14but most of the time we were a big family, you know?
00:27:19I just became one of the family.
00:27:24We were a lot of bad things,
00:27:27but most of the time we were a big family, you know?
00:27:32I think the common denominator between all of us
00:27:47is looking for a family.
00:27:55It's very different from a friend.
00:27:56It's a friend.
00:27:58Because you don't know who I am,
00:28:00because I have another name.
00:28:01I don't know where you are,
00:28:02nor do I ask you where you are.
00:28:04But we both share ideals
00:28:06and defend ourselves.
00:28:11It's a nucleus
00:28:12that, in reality,
00:28:13has always been persecuted
00:28:14and reprimed by the Colombian state.
00:28:16They've been persecuted,
00:28:17they've been massacred,
00:28:19the paramilitaries
00:28:20they keep assassinated.
00:28:21And they've been attacked for many years.
00:28:27I've been on the front a few months, and that's a lot. I've also chased, but that's the least heavy.
00:28:50Walking with a heavy jacket, wet clothes, running. A very interesting experience that no one can take away from me.
00:29:20To listen to all the different frequencies of the army, the communications of the aircraft.
00:29:27A lot of people in those aircraft were North Americans.
00:29:35President Uribe has made another trip to the United States, asking for more financial support in his war against the FARC guerrillas.
00:29:42President Bush has promised aid for Colombia's war on terror, saying the fight against terrorism was crucial for both countries.
00:29:49They don't want peace, but they're increasing their terrorist actions.
00:29:59The military balance, which had always been in favor of the state, begins to inclinate the FARC.
00:30:08And the U.S. perceives that the political, economic and social stability of Colombia is in danger,
00:30:18and its national security, therefore, is also in danger.
00:30:22And they put in place, along with the Colombian government, the name of the Plan Colombia,
00:30:29where they invest millions of dollars in military assistance, logistics, especially aviation.
00:30:41Two or three years after September 11, and at the time, everybody was interested in going after terrorists.
00:30:47The Plan Colombia was basically planned to prevent a state from failing, prevent an ally from failing.
00:30:54Colombia was teetering on the verge of, you know, being a failed state.
00:31:00They had a massive drug problem that was sort of adding to those flames of instability.
00:31:07It's expensive to support an army, and the cocaine supported the FARC.
00:31:11The war went down in a negative spiral, you know?
00:31:36I used to cry at night, and I used to think, like, why did I join the FARC?
00:31:44This is very tough. This is so fucking tough, I can't do it, you know?
00:31:49But I think the most difficult part for me, and what I used to write down in my diaries,
00:31:55was, like, I came to the FARC with a political conviction,
00:31:59and it isn't easy to see commanders to be corrupt in some way.
00:32:05And some commanders were corrupted by drug trafficking.
00:32:12You don't expect that in a revolutionary organisation.
00:32:15My dear Jan, I feel sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and alone.
00:32:24My commander has a new friend. She's 45 and she's 16.
00:32:29And it's an incredible dumb bitch.
00:32:32I'm sure you'll hate her.
00:32:34I'm sure I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:32:36I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:32:46And I'm sure how hypocritical commanders are.
00:32:49Riddling, behind the scenes.
00:32:51It was a bit naive. I wrote a lot, especially when I was angry or angry...
00:33:02...or unconsciously, or sometimes just to survive the time...
00:33:08...because I was frustrated. I really analyzed things.
00:33:14It was more that I just wrote what was happening...
00:33:18...and how I felt about it.
00:33:24I don't know what this project is about.
00:33:27How will it be if we have the power?
00:33:29The women of the commanders in Ferrari Testarossa...
00:33:32...with silicone and caviar.
00:33:48My generation and the previous generation of journalists...
00:34:00...we were born and grew in the middle of the war.
00:34:06We didn't know a single day where there was no combat...
00:34:10...un massacre, a massacre, a bombarded...
00:34:14...where there wasn't the removal of a people.
00:34:17And those who decided to focus periodically on covering that conflict...
00:34:23...we thought it was necessary to tell us what was happening in the country.
00:34:28And what I understood, covering the war, was that it had to be in the middle of the war.
00:34:40And this was a big deal...
00:34:42...of anxious sort of bunch of cars...
00:34:44...and it's over there.
00:34:45But I wanted to tell you that...
00:34:46...just to lean forward...
00:34:48..and it's loud.
00:34:49And it had to stay almost completely dead.
00:34:52So, this was all that might make sense to be up.
00:34:54I'm not sure to talk about it.
00:34:55It's better than mine, I think.
00:34:56There was no fear I can do.
00:34:58I don't know...
00:35:00adviser asútbol...
00:35:01I don't know.
00:35:31The second or third week of July of 2007, the RDP, which was the elite group of military forces in Colombia,
00:35:42comes to Carlos Antonio Lozada's camp, one of the chiefs of the FARC.
00:35:48I found a lot of important material for military intelligence,
00:35:54and there was something that I liked, and it was a number of books.
00:35:59I didn't take a lot of books.
00:36:03I had a date, it was for date, it was for párrafos, it was well organized,
00:36:09but it was in another language that was not English.
00:36:14Why? Why am I in this nasty situation?
00:36:20I want to dream, plan, life.
00:36:23I have to read and study, profit from the time I have.
00:36:28In the beginning, I thought it was a sequestration.
00:36:31And I think that for a long time I thought that.
00:36:34But there was a surprise.
00:36:36It was a story of a woman who was part of the FARC.
00:36:41The life that I live here on the front is the life of the most part of the guerrilleros.
00:36:48And that is what I wanted to learn.
00:36:50First of all, it was a very intimate testimony of how to live the war.
00:37:00There are moments where you believe that the weapons are being part of the revolution is saving the world.
00:37:07But there are other moments where you fall in the sadness and you say,
00:37:11when are you going to leave the war?
00:37:14Sometimes everyone seems to me here.
00:37:16So simple, so childish.
00:37:19Sometimes I don't even have to follow orders.
00:37:22Orders to follow a sexist who tries to shoot with a war.
00:37:29You can already see the computer from Carlos Antonio Lozada.
00:37:33And there were many photos of her.
00:37:35And for the first time I saw the face of those letters.
00:37:39And my first question is,
00:37:41how do you decide to shoot a missile in the name of a war that is not of her?
00:37:50We talked to the editor of the editor of the newspaper.
00:37:54And we decided to publish them.
00:37:57A Dutchess young woman with the Colombian rebel movement VARC.
00:38:04A Marxist rebel movement.
00:38:07The Colombian krant Al Tiempo publishes the details of the book of Aileen.
00:38:12Her name is her name in the VARC.
00:38:14Her name is Tanya Nijmeijer.
00:38:16And she comes from Denekamp.
00:38:18What does a woman in a paramilitary terrorist organization do?
00:38:22And what will her be the result of this publication?
00:38:25Because I saw my name there.
00:38:32That was directly directed at me.
00:38:35That was really crazy.
00:38:37That was never meant to be published.
00:38:41Or that you will tell Jan and all men.
00:38:44Or share it to Jan and all men.
00:38:46Yeah.
00:38:47That's true.
00:38:49What do I get tired of that?
00:38:52I don't want this anymore.
00:38:55I think more often I'm going to go away from here, really.
00:38:58It appeared that Tanya Nijmeijer actually has enough of the FARC.
00:39:04She is moe, she is teleurgesteld,
00:39:06in the corruption that she's there, in the power of the use of the FARC.
00:39:11But Tanya has, as I can read it, very little about the population.
00:39:17Sometimes I dream of the Netherlands, and then I wake up.
00:39:21It's always the same question.
00:39:24Have I done it well?
00:39:27The diaries came out, and the world, and the Colombian government,
00:39:32and everybody was like, oh, that poor girl.
00:39:36She was so naive, she had her ideals,
00:39:40and now she's totally disappointed in the guerrilla forces,
00:39:43and she's being maltreated by her commanders.
00:39:48And they were like making up a lot of things around it,
00:39:52and they were getting as far as saying that I was kidnapped, you know?
00:39:57And I think in Colombian public opinion,
00:40:00I became the poor girl that was kidnapped.
00:40:04It is still unknown where Tanya Neymeyer is at this moment,
00:40:11possibly in the jungle of Colombia, on the flight.
00:40:14She was searched by the Colombian military,
00:40:16and her own movement, the FARC,
00:40:18and her own movement, the FARC,
00:40:19is a high-risk threat.
00:40:20The chance is great that her life is in danger.
00:40:23The country was living a great periodistic confrontation
00:40:31about what was going on in the battlefield.
00:40:35And it seems to me that the information was a lot
00:40:39around the diaries.
00:40:41But I thought that even, maybe,
00:40:44it would be a Consejo of War.
00:40:47But the words that were translated from her diaries
00:40:53indicated a great bad feeling of her,
00:40:56there in the guerrilla,
00:40:57and there were a lot of criticism.
00:41:01So I said,
00:41:02there's a prison.
00:41:04What happens when you go out of the FARC?
00:41:09Yeah, that can't.
00:41:11That can't.
00:41:12What happens when you go out of the FARC?
00:41:14Then you go out and you go out and you're a disruptor.
00:41:16That costs your life.
00:41:18Then you go out.
00:41:20Yeah, when you go out of the FARC,
00:41:21then you're a disruptor.
00:41:22Yeah.
00:41:24There were also many people who had it over executions.
00:41:28They knew, they thought that that would happen.
00:41:31And Billis and Betis had not only my intiemste thought,
00:41:34but I thought,
00:41:36yeah, what is the ethics that is behind there?
00:41:39At that moment,
00:41:41when the books were found,
00:41:43I felt very strongly that I had failed as a revolutionary.
00:41:48I thought,
00:41:50I went to the guerrilla here because I wanted to show my solidarity.
00:41:55And I did the opposite.
00:41:58Sometimes I think,
00:42:01sometimes it was easier for myself than I came to the war.
00:42:07I did the same,
00:42:09I did the same thing that I was told by Tania was released.
00:42:13Without a mathematician,
00:42:14I did the same thing for Tania.
00:42:16No matter how it was,
00:42:17I was told,
00:42:19I was told,
00:42:21whatever.
00:42:22I was told,
00:42:23that's my life.
00:42:24And it was the right-wing.
00:42:25In the moment when Tania's newspaper publishes,
00:42:29one very unfortunate thing that they cost politically politically was the increase of the arrest.
00:42:46It didn't matter if you were an employee or a person of power, a politician,
00:42:52but if you were a citizen, and you had the way to pay for it,
00:42:58then you were a victim of the arrest.
00:43:07People who lived 10, 12, 15 years in power of the war,
00:43:11in the depths of the wilderness, separated from their family,
00:43:15turned into beings that were practically formed with the roots of the trees.
00:43:23So I said, Tania is in trouble.
00:43:26No problem.
00:43:56This is one of the first things I do tomorrow.
00:44:03I send a computer to the internet.
00:44:07Then I go to the start of Columbia.
00:44:11From now on, there was news that there was an attack on the camp.
00:44:15Then there was a fear that Tania would still be there.
00:44:20But luckily, you don't come to that every day.
00:44:29We gave them a regular church, a protected church.
00:44:33They lived not on the street.
00:44:35They had them at home, they had their clothes, they went to school,
00:44:38they tried to give a lot of love.
00:44:41When you look at how you live in such a war,
00:44:46then you think, yeah, if you really think about it,
00:44:48then you're crazy.
00:44:50Maybe they would be punished for one or two, but you don't know.
00:44:55You don't know how they react often.
00:44:57I don't know how you play a girl.
00:45:05Abuelita, te quiero mucho.
00:45:09La hermanita está muy linda.
00:45:12Mami, ya estamos a mitad de diciembre,
00:45:14ya completamos cuatro meses y medio,
00:45:17y no me acostumbré a tu ausencia.
00:45:19In the development of the war in Colombia, there was no only Colombian who didn't have a family, a neighbor, a friend, the friend of a friend who would be persecuted.
00:45:39I personally experienced the pain from the military confrontation and the war with the mother of my two children.
00:46:01We went together with her family, looking for her desperately.
00:46:08In the rooms, in the places where there were corpses, etc.
00:46:15And we never met her.
00:46:17My children were very little at that time.
00:46:21They were 4 or 5 years old.
00:46:24She always accompanied us in our daily life, in our daily life, the feeling of empty, that her mother wouldn't have been with us.
00:46:35The degradation of the armed armed conflict ended up touching the door of all the homes of this country, in one or another way.
00:46:49The murder was starting to rise up.
00:47:04What she did was to strengthen the war.
00:47:08Guerriller groups, paramilitar groups, they ate the same corrupt plate.
00:47:14I was a young journalist who was doing an investigation on the trafficking of weapons and buying and selling them,
00:47:28with the paramilitaries.
00:47:30Me tienden a trap.
00:47:32And at the door of the prison, they kill me.
00:47:35They took me three hours from Bogotá to one of the paramilitar camps.
00:47:43Allí me torturan.
00:47:45Me violan masivamente.
00:47:47Y dan la orden de matarme.
00:47:50Yo estaba en la parte trasera de una camioneta.
00:47:57Iban tres tipos.
00:48:00Uno de ellos siempre me apuntaba con una pistola.
00:48:04Y ahí fue cuando me negué la posibilidad de ser víctima.
00:48:13Y después de una reflexión muy, muy, muy profunda y de hablar conmigo misma,
00:48:21tomo la decisión del periodismo.
00:48:24Porque decidí solamente ser periodista.
00:48:27Y el periodismo me devolvió la vida.
00:48:34Después de que te maten en vida, ¿qué más te puede pasar?
00:48:37Yo ya no tenía nada que perder.
00:48:40En medio también de mi propio drama personal, yo decidí adoptar la salvación de esa mujer.
00:48:52Tanja.
00:48:54Y nos recorrimos las selvas mandando mensajes a través de la radio del ejército.
00:49:05Diciéndole, Tanja, si nos estás escuchando, trata de volarte.
00:49:10Trata de llegar a un puesto del ejército.
00:49:14Trata de.
00:49:43So long you don't have any contact with your parents, your sister, with my wife, will we ever hear something about her?
00:50:07Hello, I'm from Nijmeijer.
00:50:13They were also looking for me at the embassy, at the Rooie Kruis.
00:50:29I was just hidden for them.
00:50:31I was just hidden for you.
00:50:47I was just hidden for you.
00:50:49I was hidden for you.
00:50:51I was hidden for you.
00:50:52I was hidden for you.
00:50:53I was hidden for you.
00:50:54I was hidden for you.
00:50:55I was hidden for you.
00:50:56I was hidden for you.
00:50:57I was hidden for you.
00:50:58I was hidden for you.
00:50:59I was hidden for you in the last few years.
00:51:01I was hidden for you.
00:51:03This is not going to happen.
00:51:05The only way we could do was this.
00:51:09We were cemented for you, as well.
00:51:12We are new in the building.
00:51:13We miss you very much.
00:51:16Bye.
00:51:17Bye.
00:51:18Bye.
00:51:19Bye.
00:51:20Bye.
00:51:21Bye.
00:51:22Bye.
00:51:24Bye.
00:51:25Bye.
00:51:27Bye.
00:51:33Bye.
00:51:34In my life, there is still nothing to hear from you.
00:51:37Let us please hear something from you.
00:51:40Please come back.
00:51:42My dear friend.
00:51:48At some point I asked myself if I could send a letter to home.
00:51:52And that was done.
00:51:54I wrote a long letter where I explained...
00:51:57why I was going to the guerrilla and why I would stay at the guerrilla.
00:52:01That was the first time they had heard from my life.
00:52:06And they had been looking for me for a year and a half.
00:52:10I think that was one of the hardest periods in their life.
00:52:17One thing is to know that your daughter is dead.
00:52:20And something else is to never have certainty over something.
00:52:25That is for me very difficult.
00:52:27And that is certainly something that I would have done differently...
00:52:32if I could do that.
00:52:34Certainly better.
00:52:36Well...
00:52:38Well...
00:52:39The fact that I had a personal experience of suffering...
00:52:43made me feel like the exercise of my periodistic work...
00:52:45made me feel like...
00:52:46Well...
00:52:52The fact that I had had a personal experience of suffering...
00:52:57made me feel like the exercise of my periodistic work...
00:53:00was filled with the pain that I had also experienced.
00:53:06I had to send a message to Jojoy...
00:53:19saying that I wanted to interview Tania.
00:53:24I was there because they had been authorized to arrive.
00:53:27The war becomes very heavy.
00:53:32The access to the desert is almost impossible.
00:53:40I'm going through rivers,
00:53:42I'm going through hours and hours every day...
00:53:46with a group of guerrilleros that have the mission to bring me to there.
00:53:50And the day when I arrived...
00:53:51I had joined Jojoy there...
00:53:52with about 500 guerrilleros...
00:53:53more or less.
00:53:54And they were doing a very solemn act.
00:53:55That day there was a theater work.
00:53:57The day when I arrived...
00:53:59and I had joined Jojoy there...
00:54:01with about 500 guerrilleros...
00:54:04more or less.
00:54:06And they were doing a very solemn act.
00:54:11That day there was a theater work.
00:54:18And suddenly, a great revolt...
00:54:20because it appears in the scene of the Mono Jojoy.
00:54:23And I found it...
00:54:26And I found it...
00:54:31I found it...
00:54:32I found it...
00:54:33I found it...
00:54:34by dozens of guerrilleros and guerrilleros.
00:54:36She was sitting there like any other...
00:54:39with a great smile on her mouth...
00:54:42watching as a spectator...
00:54:44to the ceremony that had the place there.
00:54:47One.
00:54:49When it ends the ceremony, there is a feast...
00:54:51I see her celebrating with her guerriller colleagues.
00:54:56One, two, three.
00:55:19What's this girl?
00:55:21In life guerriller is an extraordinary student.
00:55:24She works very well and the people want her.
00:55:27In addition, she starts directing part of that guerriller because she's capable.
00:55:42Mono Gorghoi, I was again at Mono Gorghoi.
00:55:44She's a journalist and wants to interview you.
00:55:50You can take that decision.
00:55:52You have to know if you're going to give that interview or not.
00:55:56And I thought I would do that.
00:55:59I wanted to do that because I had the feeling that I had to talk about it.
00:56:05It was about three years ago when I found my books.
00:56:15There was a lot of people who were still watching.
00:56:17I was not being punished.
00:56:18But I had two years to win trust.
00:56:22I would call it, like, to get back to the business.
00:56:25I could call it waiting.
00:56:26Even transportation, transport food, cooking and drive.
00:56:30I didn't want to be in my head anymore, but I wanted to be right.
00:56:40I wanted to say that I'm here because I want to be here.
00:56:45That was really important for me as a revolutionary.
00:56:49And then we did that interview.
00:57:00That can be a big sacrifice, but if I had chosen to be with my family, I wouldn't have been here.
00:57:15It was one or the other.
00:57:17And I chose this life because I think it's a sacrifice that we have to do.
00:57:22The warrior is your family?
00:57:23Yes, of course.
00:57:25The warrior is even more.
00:57:29What I want to say to the world is this.
00:57:33That I am a warrior of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.
00:57:39And that I will continue to be a warrior until I win or until I die.
00:57:48And the Colombian government still believes and tries to divulge that I am here,
00:57:55I would say that they come to me.
00:57:58That they come to me.
00:58:00And we receive them here.
00:58:03With here, with .50, with mines, with morteros.
00:58:08With everything.
00:58:10With great pleasure we receive them.
00:58:12The website www.quienyque.com published a video of two minutes by the Hollandese Tanja Nijmeijer
00:58:20in the campamento of alias El Mono Jojoj.
00:58:23Tanja se le ve content in their story from Mono Jojoj.
00:58:29We also have a closed time period where we thought that Tanja Nijmeijer
00:58:33in Colombia against her spirit was in the FARC, but I don't believe it.
00:58:36We got a look at the picture that she was probably a little bit of a crime,
00:58:39but that picture there really, that that will be closed.
00:58:41In the Dutch village, where the family of the guerrilla,
00:58:45the neighbors are not happy with the news.
00:59:02And also with the fact, I had a bit of a feeling
00:59:05after that interview that there was a sort of...
00:59:08that there was something out of my shoulders.
00:59:11At that point, I didn't think about how my words
00:59:15or how my version would be taken by the world.
00:59:20She is just a terrorist.
00:59:22And just like all other wars,
00:59:24it would be the best if she disappeared.
00:59:27For me, it was much more important to have my community,
00:59:38people supporting me.
00:59:40And from that moment on, I felt a lot of support from the people,
00:59:44you know?
00:59:45Because of the interview I had given.
00:59:50Once the world started talking about me as a terrorist,
00:59:55I felt accepted again.
00:59:57It's a very good word, terrorist.
00:59:59I don't think you could shoot a guerrillaire of the Fark
01:00:00over one kam with a Al-Qaeda or ISIS.
01:00:02After five years at the Fark,
01:00:03there was a surprise party for me.
01:00:04I was organized by the Fark.
01:00:05There was a surprise party for me.
01:00:06I could first take two children's classes
01:00:08and then take a choice.
01:00:10I was so disappointed.
01:00:12It's a very big word, terrorist.
01:00:18I don't think you could shoot a guerrillaire of the Fark
01:00:21over one kam with someone who has been in Al-Qaeda or ISIS.
01:00:25I think that's a totally wrong comparison.
01:00:29But I'm not like the rest of the rest of the Netherlands.
01:00:33Many people think that a terrorist is a terrorist.
01:00:37You have a weapon, you fight, you kill,
01:00:39so bam, we do that etiquette on.
01:00:41Get up.
01:01:11Get up.
01:01:12Get up.
01:01:13Get up.
01:01:14Get up.
01:01:23After a daring raid, a long ordeal for these three Americans
01:01:27has just ended.
01:01:28The three hostages were held in the jungle for five years.
01:01:32The longest time any American has been held in captivity
01:01:35by a foreign terrorist group.
01:01:38This morning they arrived home and were greeted on the tarmac
01:01:41by their family and friends.
01:01:43One of the Americans knew her during that interview.
01:01:47And that was the moment when Tanya came on the Interpol list.
01:01:52The international arrest.
01:01:54Tanya Nijmeijer is in opposition against the state of the Colombian.
01:02:00The Interpol list means that when Tanya is lost,
01:02:04she can arrest and be sent to America.
01:02:07We are at maximum alert for the location and capture of this person
01:02:14of nationality holandese, Tanya,
01:02:16for the crimes of rebellion, sedition, yazonada and others.
01:02:21The press says that you are CIA.
01:02:40No.
01:02:44I'm accused of kidnapping.
01:02:46The press has even said that I took down the airplane.
01:02:50I wasn't even in the jungle by that.
01:02:53But I'm not going to feel sorry for myself
01:02:55and I don't expect anybody to feel sorry for me
01:02:58because I decided to get involved in this conflict.
01:03:01And these are the consequences of my decisions.
01:03:07I like to send a message out to the world.
01:03:09If you're going to kidnap Americans, expect American justice.
01:03:14I don't want to hear about this.
01:03:22I wanted to bring about a change.
01:03:24I made a political choice.
01:03:26I've never felt that the FARC lost their political north.
01:03:33And that makes us not terrorists, you know?
01:03:37I just don't believe in that concept.
01:03:40The whole concept for me is not...
01:03:42I believe in a war.
01:03:43I believe in a war where terrible things happen,
01:03:47a conflict that degrades, you know?
01:03:50But I just don't believe in that concept.
01:03:56I think it's very much a media construction
01:04:02invented by today's world order.
01:04:06I swear to God and promise to people
01:04:11to do it that the Constitution and the Law of Colombia
01:04:20in the year 2010,
01:04:24who has been the man's right hand of Uribe
01:04:27and his Minister of Defense,
01:04:29the Mr. Juan Manuel Santos,
01:04:31Asume la presidencia y llega a la casa de Nariño con la certeza de que él va a ser quien desactive a las FARC.
01:04:53El símbolo de terror en Colombia ha caído.
01:04:57Alias el Mono Jojoy, el sanguinario cabecilla responsable de miles de muertes, de miles de secuestros, ha caído en su madriguera.
01:05:19La balanza militar estaba totalmente a favor del Estado.
01:05:25Había una especie de sensación colectiva entre el mando guerrilleros de que aquello no iba para ninguna parte.
01:05:36El gobierno tenía más dinero, el gobierno tenía más tecnología.
01:05:45No iba a derrotar a nosotros porque es muy difícil de derrotar a guerrilleros, pero no iba a derrotar a ellos.
01:05:52Se han desarrollado conversaciones exploratorias con las FARC para buscar el fin del conflicto.
01:06:46El gobierno de Colombia y la FARC, dice Tanja Nijmeyer, que se llama la revolución de la revolución de la revolución de la revolución de las FARC.
01:07:01Es otra Tania, es una Tania renovada.
01:07:08Ahí ya hay 500 cámaras, agencias de noticias internacionales.
01:07:14La buscan para entrevistas.
01:07:18La Habana, República de Cuba.
01:07:20Tania fue la protagonista de los diálogos de paz.
01:07:25La atmósfera durante los diálogos es muy buena.
01:07:32Hay incluso espacio para pequeñas riscos, para rirnos.
01:07:36Es una buena atmósfera, creo.
01:07:39La Habana, República de Cuba.
01:07:40La Habana, República de Cuba.
01:07:45La Habana, República de Cuba.
01:07:46I discovered the whole media hype when I arrived to Havana and started to discover the internet.
01:07:53And I start searching, surfing on the internet to look everything up, like, what's coming
01:08:01out, you know?
01:08:04They wrote that I had killed a child in an attack against a bus in Bogota in 2003.
01:08:12And actually I was involved by an attack against a bus in Bogota in 2003.
01:08:19So I remember that moment as one of the most terrifying moments of my life.
01:08:26I started to sweat all over and I got, like, cold.
01:08:29I was like, but how is it possible that a child died in one of my actions and I wasn't aware
01:08:35of it, you know?
01:08:37So I started searching on the internet and then I found out that actually a child had
01:08:41died during an attack against a bus in Bogota in 2006.
01:08:49So they just made up the story and everybody copied it.
01:08:54It wasn't me, but it could have been me.
01:08:58That's almost the same thing.
01:08:59That's almost the same thing.
01:09:05It was the first telephone conversation, because I had so many questions all the time in my
01:09:19head.
01:09:20I had never spoken via the telephone more after that one time in 2003 that they called me
01:09:27to teach me at the Indian.
01:09:28That's a long time.
01:09:29And so I had still thousands of other questions.
01:09:32It was so nice to talk to each other.
01:09:36And not long after my husband and I booked a ticket to Havana to meet her.
01:09:41And we had those really good questions.
01:09:51The things that have brought us back in Los Angeles the day we saw Havana.
01:09:59And the first impression I had was very negative.
01:10:02And I said, what?
01:10:03He said, what?
01:10:04And that's an arrogant scene.
01:10:07And it's very arrogant.
01:10:10Automatically, I assumed that I was infiltrated by the army.
01:10:18And I started to do the contraintelligence.
01:10:21And one of the ways of the contraintelligence was, for example,
01:10:25to be very friendly with her,
01:10:27to know what I knew, what I thought,
01:10:30what I communicated with who I communicated, what I did.
01:10:33Welcome to all the friends of La Pensa.
01:10:36As she spoke in English, she was the international figure.
01:10:39Almost like they were in front of the cameras
01:10:43where the pressure, the international image of the Farc,
01:10:47was on her.
01:11:06So politics in a country where doing politics implies violence.
01:11:09You don't think that Colombian society will demand some kind of justice?
01:11:13I think the people of Colombia and the people of all the world
01:11:17know who are their victimizers.
01:11:21Well, in the EU, the Farc is listed as a terrorist organization.
01:11:25I thought I came to an interview, not to a trial.
01:11:40I think that I was at that point very dogmatic.
01:11:49It was at that point very difficult,
01:11:51because the Farc had also no clear position,
01:11:54for example, about the theme of the victims.
01:11:58The position of the Farc, at the beginning of the discussion,
01:12:01was a bit like the victims.
01:12:04The victims of the state.
01:12:06They are not just victims of one chance.
01:12:09And that victims of all sides are important.
01:12:12I think that there, in the last few years,
01:12:15there was a lot more clarity.
01:12:18And I think that that was a bit more nuanced in Havana
01:12:26after the meetings with the victims.
01:12:29Well, he is his complaint for asking me to answer a statement.
01:12:38.
01:12:39.
01:12:53of victims, as a woman of sexual violence, when we entered and the first person sat down,
01:13:02Tanya, and I'm convinced that she didn't have any idea of who I was, she was one more victim.
01:13:11The country must understand that only through dialogue, concertation and reconciliation
01:13:20will be possible to get to the materialisation of that word that we pronounce so much,
01:13:27but of which we don't know.
01:13:30Peace.
01:13:32At a moment, when she was doing her story, she told her story to five women.
01:13:39And I was one of those women, but they didn't say why.
01:13:43So I really thought, yeah, that's very strange.
01:13:46What do I do with this woman, you know?
01:13:50We believe in you.
01:13:52And we want to create the country in peace agreement.
01:13:56Then she said, I want to bring this story to Tanya Nijmaier,
01:14:00because I was the journalist who published your books.
01:14:06And we see it.
01:14:08And I'm here for you.
01:14:10And I want to ask you excuses.
01:14:13Because you are a woman.
01:14:16And I told you to the world things that were only to you.
01:14:22There was an intermedium.
01:14:27It was a moment of pain and tension.
01:14:31We were crying.
01:14:33I came out.
01:14:35And she was there.
01:14:38I approached me.
01:14:40And I said, I want to give her a pardon.
01:14:43And I extended my hand.
01:14:46And I didn't receive the answer.
01:14:51And I managed to understand the pain, but also the anger she had.
01:14:57And I wasn't sure if she had taken care of her.
01:14:58And she was very happy.
01:14:59And she was so happy.
01:15:00And she had taken care of me right away.
01:15:03And she looked at me like a boy.
01:15:06And I was not ready.
01:15:09And she was so happy.
01:15:11And she was so happy.
01:15:12And she had done that day with me.
01:15:14And sitting and looking at me in my eyes.
01:15:17And watching me in my eyes.
01:15:18And I couldn't do that.
01:15:19And I couldn't do that.
01:15:21The marches in Bogotá and other cities were in
01:15:35contra of the peace process, supported by the Democratic Center.
01:15:38In the concentrations participated in the political parties,
01:15:40such as the senator Álvaro Uribe and the ex-candidato Oscar Iván Zula.
01:15:51In the year of 2016, the Colombian government, the President Santos and the Farc
01:16:07signed a peace agreement.
01:16:09And I felt that there was hope between the common and current people
01:16:18that the war would end.
01:16:20Deja las armas y es más valiente que cojeras.
01:16:47I was part of the leadership of a disarmament zone, and I was in charge of education and
01:17:17education for all the people, and I was very, very enthusiastic with that task.
01:17:24We thought at the beginning that reintegration and reincorporation was going to be collective,
01:17:30and that we were going to develop those communities into something that we could show to the rest
01:17:38of the country.
01:17:39This is what we want for Colombia, you know?
01:17:42But little by little, things changed.
01:17:45There were 39 or 40 excombatants killed, also some family members.
01:17:52You're an excombatant and there's nothing you can do to justify your existence in this society.
01:18:00The summary of it is that today, there's nobody left.
01:18:04I now call on the Nobel Peace Prize laureate to step forward to receive the gold medal.
01:18:31We've built a small world in which we feel good.
01:18:39We've built a small world in which we feel good, with a dog, a Pancho, a cat, and the silence,
01:18:46which is what we always miss so much.
01:18:48We've built a small world in which we feel good, with a dog, a Pancho, a cat.
01:18:53The silence, which is what we always miss so much.
01:19:07For her it's sad and difficult to see that all the excombatants are at home with her family,
01:19:14less her family, and that she stayed in this country without being able to leave.
01:19:28I would love to go back to Holland.
01:19:42I still suffer the consequences of having translated that day, you know?
01:19:47I'm on the Interpol list, the United States doesn't want to take me off the Interpol list.
01:19:55It costs a lot.
01:19:59Should I have done something else?
01:20:02Would my life have been more worthy if I hadn't joined the FARC?
01:20:09It was not an adventure, it was a political conviction.
01:20:13It was something I dreamt of and something I wanted to achieve,
01:20:17to change the structures of this country, and it didn't happen.
01:20:21And that's difficult, that's difficult to process, that's difficult to assimilate.
01:20:30It was like we didn't do anything during all those years, you know?
01:20:39The Colombian land is still in the same state of abandonment, misery and poverty
01:20:54that they had when they were in the war.
01:21:02More than 50 years of the guerrilla experience,
01:21:05they ended up in nothing.
01:21:08Nothing.
01:21:09More than 50 years of the war.
01:21:17For me, I was not a terrorist.
01:21:19I was a woman who was in the middle of the war.
01:21:22But the anger of people doesn't allow me to understand that.
01:21:32The hatred is one of the worst diseases that we have human beings.
01:21:37I think it's one of the biggest problems we've had as a society in Colombia.
01:21:42If we're learning to transform our own thoughts, we would probably be a different society.
01:21:53But you can't have to forgive the people from the night to the morning.
01:21:57How is it? Did you go to the car?
01:22:01Yes.
01:22:02Oh.
01:22:04It's not something automatic.
01:22:07Because there is pain in the back.
01:22:09So you need a process for that.
01:22:12Yeah, nice.
01:22:14I think we have to go around different generations...
01:22:17...to come to a kind of process process.
01:22:21If I find something difficult to do...
01:22:27...that I have laid off other people.
01:22:31To take the weapons.
01:22:34It doesn't work, it hasn't worked.
01:22:37That has been shown.
01:22:39We have tried it several times.
01:22:41We are not alone, but also other guerrillas.
01:22:44So let's try something else.
01:22:51...
01:23:11Here we go.
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