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00:00Who are you?
00:02Does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
00:05I just have a broken dick, that's all.
00:08Katie, we have a conversation we need to have.
00:11Because when I was in the trailer, I got a call.
00:14I felt badly for Gina as her friend.
00:16Why do you have to be an asshole all the time?
00:18You're an asshole all the time.
00:19You want to talk about an asshole all the time, that's you.
00:22But the post came from somewhere.
00:23A lot of accounts in these posts were tied to cameras.
00:26I'm going to show you an interaction
00:28after cameras went down.
00:29Tamara told my friend that you
00:31and she were plotting against Gretchen.
00:34That's insane.
00:35I didn't do this!
00:36It's fucked up!
00:37This is life destroying.
00:39I didn't do this.
00:41We are not playing a game of Survivor.
00:44This is bullshit and this is an ambush.
00:47This has got to stop.
00:49This is not what this show is about.
00:55Welcome back to The Real Housewives of Orange County.
00:58The Real Housewives of Orange County reunion.
01:00From exotic locales such as Amsterdam to New Orleans
01:04to Heather Dubrow's penthouse,
01:06the Orange County women were elite
01:09in the art of tripping, so to speak,
01:12especially when space cakes and mushrooms were on the menu.
01:16I love this.
01:17Watch.
01:18I feel like I'm tired of falling apart!
01:21Girls trip, number one priority.
01:23Ah!
01:23Cheers.
01:24Show me your tits!
01:25It's to have fun!
01:28I've baptized you the name of?
01:29Emily.
01:30I'm not vibing with the voodoo.
01:31Ayee, bubba!
01:32I want to be spanky.
01:34Good evening.
01:35Oh, put your dick away!
01:36Do we need to say it in front of the waiter?
01:39Bottoms up.
01:40Cheap up.
01:41Shoot her back.
01:42I think I do feel these mushrooms.
01:44A gummy is five milligrams.
01:46Just take a bite.
01:49Come in.
01:50Come in here.
01:51This is a little creepy for me.
01:54Wait, that was your face!
01:56Wow!
01:58This is a house of horrors.
02:01Sometimes moms need a night out,
02:02and it's not a night to remember.
02:04Maybe it's just a night to forget.
02:05Oh!
02:06Am I going to be looking at your vagina all night?
02:08That's the point.
02:09I'm just kidding.
02:11And this is exhausting.
02:12Do I need to go home now?
02:13I think I can go home now.
02:15Oh, that was cute.
02:16It was fun seeing you all have fun.
02:19And I have to say, Shannon, when you were sitting there,
02:23and you thought you heard the theme song for the show?
02:25It was!
02:26It was.
02:26Was it, guys?
02:27Oh, I wasn't there.
02:28I don't think it was.
02:29No, no, no, no.
02:30I wasn't there.
02:31We couldn't hear it.
02:31She kept singing.
02:32No, no.
02:32But it didn't.
02:34It was!
02:35I had a production!
02:37Sure.
02:38That was the real housewife music, wasn't it?
02:41Am I tripping?
02:42Just tell me it was the music, right?
02:44Yeah.
02:45Come on.
02:46You're screwing with me.
02:47She thought she has production.
02:48She has to plant in the corner.
02:53Shannon, had you ever eaten that much space cake before?
02:57I've never had a space cake before.
02:58Oh, really?
02:58No.
02:59It's so good for her, though.
03:00Was it fun?
03:00Was it fun?
03:01Well, then they said, like, oh, Tamra said,
03:04Tamra said, no!
03:06Tamra said, when you eat it, like in a muffin,
03:09it stays with your body.
03:11And I felt like it stayed a while.
03:14I love that Shannon's when she's on pot.
03:17What is this?
03:18What is this noise?
03:19I said you were that person.
03:21Extra girl.
03:22What person?
03:23Someone special.
03:24What?
03:25I didn't smoke it.
03:26I didn't smoke it.
03:27I didn't smoke it.
03:28Did you eat it?
03:29I ate it.
03:30I ate it.
03:31I ate it.
03:32She needs to eat space cakes daily.
03:39It's so funny, seeing all of your evolution over the years.
03:44And I mean, I'm looking at you, Shannon.
03:46And Heather, like, seeing you wake and bake mushrooms,
03:49and you're like, oh, yeah, oh, we're going to the tulip fields?
03:52Here we go.
03:53I mean, I just loved it.
03:55When did that happen?
03:56You know, my kids are older and, you know,
03:59I'm going to have a little fun.
04:00Why not?
04:01Anna in Fort Wayne, Indiana, said Shannon, Gretchen,
04:04and Tamara seemed like the only thing any of you agreed on
04:07this year was not wanting to have any part in voodoo.
04:11Are we sure this isn't the first sign of the apocalypse?
04:14When we heard stories later on that Heather had all these
04:17things happen and she ripped it apart and threw them out
04:19in different trash cans, as soon as I heard you have to feed
04:22it, I'm like, OK, I'm going to screw it up the first night.
04:25I had bad things happen.
04:26And she told us that if you want to get rid of it,
04:30you can't just throw it away.
04:32I broke that thing up.
04:33I put it in separate trash cans because I was thinking about
04:36those movies where all the pieces come back together.
04:38Part went down the trash chute, part went over here,
04:40part went over there.
04:41Wow.
04:42Jen was very into it.
04:43And she was feeding it and talking to it.
04:44I still feed her.
04:45Tucking it in.
04:46Tonight, I made us sleepy time tea because we're going to sleep
04:49very good tonight.
04:51We're going to wake up tomorrow, and you are going to do your job
04:55and bring us a lot of financial opportunities.
05:02That is for you.
05:06And then let's go night-night.
05:08Don't break your twig arm.
05:10Honest to god.
05:11You still have your booty.
05:11I still have her.
05:12What do you mean feed her?
05:13You pretend.
05:14It's like, if I'm having my coffee in the morning
05:15and I think about it, I spit coffee in her haktua.
05:17Spit it right in the top of it.
05:20Can you do a picture and put that on your social media?
05:22Please.
05:22You need to see that.
05:23Yes.
05:25Katie, Phillip in Cleveland said,
05:27you didn't know England was an island.
05:29You didn't know where the Mississippi River is.
05:32Can you name the two oceans the United States are flanked by?
05:37The Pacific and the Atlantic.
05:38But let me just say that when we were on the boat
05:41and I was looking for the river, it doesn't name it.
05:42And I actually went back, it doesn't say it.
05:44I kept being like, what river are we on?
05:46I had no clue.
05:47Yeah, I had no clue either.
05:49Does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
05:52I think that was left behind.
05:54It was.
05:55I just have a broken dick, that's all.
05:57Good one, Gretchen.
05:58Thanks.
06:00I just want to say one last thing, which is,
06:02I thought it was very moving seeing you reconcile your past
06:06with your dad.
06:07I was in tears.
06:08And the ashes.
06:09And I just thought that was a beautiful moment.
06:10So beautiful.
06:11To be able to do that and where you did it.
06:12And that must have been a little closure for you.
06:13It so was.
06:14You know, it started off being like, yeah, I should do this thing.
06:15Okay, I should do this.
06:16And it was just so crazy.
06:17And obviously you didn't see the whole thing.
06:18But I told my dad, like, how my mom is doing and my kids.
06:22Everyone's good.
06:37Good. Ace is going into high school. Happy. Good. I've got friends. Cat got into Yale.
06:44I know. You probably don't, I don't even know what you remember her like. Cooking in her little
06:50kitchen. She's going to Yale. Max was studying in Paris. And she has a cat named Vincent who
06:56weirdly has your eyes. Nicky's doing great. Got his real estate license. He's going to work in
07:02hospitality this summer. They're all really good. You'd be really, you'd be really proud.
07:09You know, he doesn't, he didn't know, especially Ace and, and he knows. I don't know if you know
07:15this, but my mother recently moved to Los Angeles. No. She did. I know. Season 20. Anyway. Yeah. So
07:24I had to explain to him what's going on with her and everything. So it was cathartic. It felt so
07:30good. And I have to say thank you again to Emily. We had the best conversation right before about
07:34our parents, our upbringing, our parenting styles, our children. And we had so many similarities.
07:41And then to be able to just sit there and do that, I, it was amazing. I wish we could have all been
07:46there. It was great. Yeah. It was great. This season ended on a dark and dramatic note to say the least.
07:52I want to start with the emotional final dinner in Amsterdam, where you all confronted Gretchen
07:57about her alleged social media activity. You are intentionally liking hate rhetoric.
08:04I don't know that I was doing that. So that's why I'm asking. You did that. Okay.
08:08Gretchen, your immediate excuse about liking these posts was to say, if I like something,
08:12I probably didn't know what it was about and that you weren't paying attention to what you were liking.
08:18What did you mean by that? Um, well, listen, I, I just want to make it clear that there's absolutely no
08:26excuse for liking anything that has any sort of offensive, um, you know, sentiment to it.
08:34And I also want to make it very clear to every single one of you here that I completely denounce
08:43anything that it seems homophobic or transphobic or anything like that.
08:46I was very confused. I was in shock by what was being brought forward to me.
08:53Did you recognize any of the posts that you saw? No, no.
08:57You didn't? Which post are we talking about?
08:59The one. But you followed that account.
09:03I know you said that I followed that account, but at the end of the day, you know,
09:09I think we've all been guilty of scrolling, you know, mindlessly at night and I might have seen
09:15something and I liked it, not really looking at the content of the post or whatnot.
09:19I get that. But, but when you have a good friend that's sitting across the table from you,
09:24who's so emotional and so invested in this and really does not want this to be true.
09:29Yes.
09:29That was the, I get it that you were shocked in all this, but that was surprising to me
09:34that the girls had to say, go after Heather.
09:36I legitimately was like, wait, are they serious? Like they're actually saying this?
09:40Because I knew fundamentally that is not what I believed or who I was or who I've ever been in my life.
09:46You didn't know you were following all these hate accounts?
09:49You didn't know?
09:50It wasn't one. One I would have rolled my eyes.
09:52The way that it was presented to me.
09:54200.
09:55No, I followed a lot.
09:57There were 200 on that feed?
09:58No, there wasn't.
09:59She unfollowed over 200 accounts when she got back from Amsterdam.
10:03But how do you know they're all, and you know that they were all hate accounts?
10:06Yes.
10:07I mean, listen, I gravely apologize if I liked something that was offensive or something like
10:13that, but I will say that one post that was brought forward, it was very upsetting and very
10:22suspect to me. It doesn't align with who I am.
10:24But why would you follow a guy like that? Because that's all he does is post stuff like that.
10:28Right. And so I took steps to go and look at who I was following, because I had over 4,500 accounts
10:35or something I was following.
10:36Okay.
10:37And you know what? Maybe that's my mistake, that I had been following a lot of accounts
10:41that I really didn't know exactly everything that they were posting.
10:45I followed a lot of left-wing accounts. I followed a lot of right-wing accounts.
10:49Back in 2020, when the election was going on, that's why I followed a lot of those accounts.
10:53So I don't feel like I should be...
10:55It's a free country, by the way.
10:56You can follow right-wing accounts, you can follow left-wing accounts.
10:58But I will say, it was a good lesson for me to learn.
11:02And so I went and rectified, and I went and looked a lot of the accounts that I was following.
11:07I was like, I do not stand for this, and I am not going to follow accounts
11:11that have this type of rhetoric. I don't know initially why I followed it.
11:14Maybe they had a post about God. Maybe they had a post about something.
11:18I can't tell you, because it's a lot of accounts, the reason why I followed something.
11:23By the way, if you're following 4,500 accounts,
11:25it stands to reason that you are not seeing what most of these accounts are posting
11:30on a daily basis.
11:32Right.
11:32Can I say something to you?
11:33Yes.
11:34I've known you a very long time.
11:36Yes.
11:37I think 14 years.
11:38Yes.
11:38You have never been anything but kind to me and my family.
11:43And I never believed that you were that person.
11:46But I have people that I've had in my life for a long time that I thought were that way,
11:51and found out some very disturbing things that go against my family.
11:56I understand that.
11:56My children specifically, and everything I believe in.
12:00And it has shattered me.
12:01I will tell you that I have heard over the years rumblings of this kind of rhetoric from you
12:10in different communities that I have always chosen to ignore.
12:13But when I saw all these posts and saw that you liked them, this is what worries me.
12:20When you follow a multitude of hate mongers, what you're going to see in your For You page is hate.
12:28She's saying like ours is dogs.
12:30Ours is dogs.
12:31I'm saying yours is animals, but when you, because it shows you, it shows you what you follow.
12:37Mine's guys, housewives, and like Diana Ross.
12:40Yeah, like I have cake decorating and folding.
12:44But Heather, you've got to understand, that was a small percentage of all the accounts I follow.
12:49The last few days, have you been unliking problematic posts?
12:52No, I told you guys that I went and unliked them.
12:55Yeah, that's weird too.
12:56How do you know that?
12:57Because I printed out two days ago posts that she still had likes on.
13:02And all but this one, making fun of Dylan about being on the Bud Light can,
13:07this is the only one that's still liked by you, Gretchen.
13:10Shouldn't she have unliked them?
13:12I mean, wasn't that the right thing to do?
13:14Yes, I did.
13:15Are you unliked?
13:16Wait, did you unfollow or unliked?
13:18Okay, but so then...
13:19Just be honest about it.
13:20If I liked anything...
13:21All right.
13:22She said she just...
13:23No, no, no, no, no, no.
13:24She said she just went through and she unfollowed about each other.
13:27She's so scared.
13:27Don't read that shit before you like this.
13:29I appreciate the accountability.
13:31It was a good lesson for me.
13:33I don't subscribe to this.
13:34I don't align with this.
13:35But the post came from somewhere.
13:37So if it's...
13:37The post's for real.
13:38If you, if it wasn't, where did it come from?
13:40Who posted it?
13:41You mean the original post?
13:42Yeah, where does...
13:43So then where did it come from?
13:44Well, that is the question.
13:46So when I went home, I hired a cyber analysis company.
13:53And you said to me, Heather, I need you to prove to me it's not true.
13:58So I did.
13:58I spent thousands of dollars getting a cyber analysis done on these posts.
14:26And you can see it's a 25-page report.
14:30The most egregious post is a fabricated fake post.
14:35It's important to note that the time of our initial investigation, the most egregious and
14:39offensive post did not exist anywhere online.
14:42Our system detected it may be a combination of AI and some other image editing software.
14:46Did we have AI three years ago?
14:49Leading us to the conclusion that it's a manufactured post and could not be
14:53authenticated.
14:55I think with the word in there, it's probably a post that Instagram removed.
15:00This third-party cyber analysis company continued to do a lot of research on,
15:06on a lot of accounts that unfortunately were tied to Tamara.
15:10Oh my God.
15:13What does that mean?
15:14What does that mean?
15:14What does that mean?
15:15Fucking ass.
15:16Okay, let me sue my ass.
15:17I mean, I have nothing to do with this.
15:19Okay.
15:20How did you find that post?
15:22How did you find it?
15:22It's been cycling around social media for a long time.
15:26I've never seen it.
15:26I've never seen it.
15:26It was on the two T's and a pod.
15:27Exactly.
15:28Let me finish.
15:29No.
15:30It was on one Twitter feed.
15:30And so two years ago, it came through to Teddy.
15:34It was tweeted or X or whatever.
15:36You said a year ago.
15:37Now it's two years ago?
15:38I don't know.
15:39I can look it up on my phone if you really want to know the date.
15:41I don't know if it was a year ago or two years ago.
15:43I'm not quite sure.
15:45I know the post was from like 2022.
15:47You were the only person that knew anything about this.
15:50You knew about that Twitter feed.
15:51No, I wasn't the only person.
15:53Yes, you were.
15:54You were the only person.
15:55Oh my God.
15:56And Gina, I really liked you, but it really was frustrating to me.
16:00Oh my God.
16:00Because I had somebody call me and said that you and her were plotting and planning it together.
16:04Yeah, I know.
16:05Oh, I know.
16:05But you saw what you saw, Gretchen.
16:07And the reality is she brought it up to me when we were filming.
16:10Let me ask you this.
16:11Why, after you had made up with her several times, did you bring it up at the end?
16:16When did I bring it up, Andy?
16:18In Amsterdam.
16:18No, I didn't.
16:19You talked to her.
16:20I brought it up the night after her and Slade went after me.
16:24I'm saying you had resolved everything with her.
16:27Yes.
16:28And then you two talked about bringing it up.
16:30Because any time I bring anything up, it's like, oh my God, here Tamara goes.
16:35Here Tamara goes.
16:36But you did bring it up.
16:37I understand, but I'm saying what doesn't make sense to me is that you've had this
16:40for a long time right now.
16:42No, it's not like I was sitting on it.
16:44You just said it.
16:45You said you knew about it for two years.
16:47You said that you've had it for over two years.
16:49You've been sitting on it for two years.
16:51Yes, yes, yes.
16:51And I never even thought about it again until recently when you came on the show.
16:55No, that's such a bullshit.
16:55People were sending it to me.
16:56Yeah, and you wanted to figure out how to weaponize it against me and harm me and hurt me.
16:59That's what you did.
17:00Then why didn't I bring it up the first day?
17:01I don't know, Tamara.
17:02I think she might.
17:03I think she might.
17:04Why is this changing into you?
17:05You're a homophobic bitch.
17:07I'm not.
17:08Yes, you are.
17:08I know it.
17:09Bullshit.
17:10You are so gross.
17:11But when you say tied to Tamara, what does that mean?
17:13You tied to Tamara house.
17:13Like you have to explain that.
17:14Yeah, I made this up.
17:16That's not what I said.
17:17There is a Twitter feed that Tamara happened to have on her phone that night.
17:20She was like, look at this.
17:22Yeah.
17:22Here's this.
17:23That Twitter feed, that was the only feed that it was on.
17:26It had not been anywhere else, but on that Twitter feed.
17:29Gretchen, it's all over Reddit.
17:31Now it is because you started putting it out everywhere.
17:35No, no, no.
17:36Tamara, do you know how many people have sent me that you are the one that is out putting
17:44that out into the press with everybody?
17:46Oh, my God.
17:46Do you know how many people are saying that?
17:48Who?
17:48Show me the proof.
17:49Can I say one more thing to Gretchen because I want to say this directly to you.
17:54In hindsight, was this something that I felt I needed to bring up?
17:57Yeah, because it was something that was brought to me and it was a little disturbing to me.
18:00I wish that I had brought it up to you not at the dinner table.
18:05Thank you for saying that.
18:06And I am very sorry for doing it there.
18:09I appreciate that.
18:10Because I did think that you and I had a good enough relationship that if something
18:14was bothering you that much, and especially knowing that you knew about it for what I
18:19understood a couple weeks, maybe a month before.
18:22I did.
18:22I wish that you had brought it to me.
18:25I do too.
18:26Because I do.
18:27I felt very blindsided?
18:30Blindsided and ambushed.
18:32Yeah, and I am sorry for that.
18:33Tamara, what were your intentions of bringing this to Gina in the first place?
18:37And I'm curious, did you think about bringing it to Heather, who it kind of most personally affected?
18:42We and Heather have had conversations in the past about her beliefs.
18:46You yourself said three years ago that you had to distance yourself from Gretchen.
18:49I did not say that to you.
18:51We were sitting after Jen's yoga thing in Newport.
18:54Tamara, it wasn't about the post.
18:56It was about others.
18:56No, you did.
18:56You sent me the post.
18:57Yeah.
18:58Well, after...
18:58No, you sent it to me while we were in the middle of filming.
19:01You sent it to me and I texted you back.
19:03I don't want any part of this.
19:04Oh, that's right.
19:04You're right.
19:05And then you brought it up again in front of everyone at the cake party.
19:10You sat down with me and said, I don't want to talk about her because of her political stance
19:14and her stance on gay lesbian.
19:16Do not do that.
19:18Wow.
19:18But that's what Tamara does!
19:20I felt like you were trying to give it to me, to drop it in my lap, to do something with it,
19:26and I really didn't want any part of that.
19:29But why did you tell Gina?
19:30Because I feel like you put her in an awkward position.
19:31Yeah, I was.
19:32That's who I filmed with after the...
19:35But if this was something that you were going to bring up about Gretchen,
19:37why not just bring it up yourself?
19:39Why am I getting blamed for her liking homophobic stuff?
19:43You're not.
19:43You're not.
19:44It's getting...
19:44You're not.
19:45I'm asking...
19:46I'm trying to understand the lead up to it.
19:48...and it's like, I'm questioning all of you, except like,
19:49this is crazy.
19:50I'm trying to...
19:51I'm trying to understand...
19:51Because I'm filming a reality show, Emily.
19:54I understand that, but I'm saying that you...
19:56Okay, then let me explain.
19:57Well, don't talk to me condescending.
19:58First of all, I'm saying...
19:59Well, then don't talk to me condescending.
20:00I'm not being condescending at all.
20:01Yeah, you are.
20:01Why did you do this?
20:02That's not condescending.
20:04I'm asking you a question.
20:05I felt badly for Gina.
20:06As her friend, I felt badly.
20:07I felt like she was in a very bad spot.
20:10Tamara...
20:10Why do you have to be an asshole all the time?
20:12I'm not an asshole all the time.
20:13Yeah, you are.
20:14You're an asshole all the time.
20:15You're an asshole.
20:15You want to talk about an asshole all the time?
20:17That's you.
20:17That's you.
20:18What is that?
20:18You're always poking at me,
20:19and all I've ever done has been supportive of you.
20:21Oh, I know.
20:21Here we go, Dad.
20:22You called her Shrek for a year.
20:23Yeah.
20:24Oh, yeah.
20:24Oh, really?
20:24We're going back?
20:25Oh, yeah.
20:25But also, what?
20:26She's got a podcast on my network?
20:28I'm not on your network anymore.
20:29Stop bringing that up.
20:31By the way, sweetheart, yes, you are.
20:32Don't call me sweetheart.
20:33We had to put you back on because when you got off,
20:36you're tanked.
20:37This is the problem.
20:38This is the problem.
20:38Don't do that.
20:40That's not the problem.
20:41Let's talk about who's an asshole.
20:42I just got the text message that they had to put you back on.
20:46Okay, but that's not nice.
20:48And you are.
20:48But then don't call me fucking shit like that.
20:52What?
20:52Call you shit like what?
20:53What are you talking about?
20:54She called her when you're like,
20:55after you called her an asshole.
20:58You said it like that.
20:59I've never been as nice to you.
21:00Oh, you have not.
21:00You treated me like shit for years,
21:02and then I forgave you recently.
21:03Oh, you treated me like shit for years, too.
21:04Okay.
21:14When you got off, you're tanked.
21:16Let's talk about who's an asshole right now.
21:18I just got the text message that they had to put you back on.
21:22Okay, but that's not nice.
21:23If you are off, then don't call me.
21:25Don't call me fucking shit like that.
21:27What?
21:28Call you shit like what?
21:29What are you talking about?
21:29Oh, God.
21:30She called me after you called her an asshole.
21:32Okay.
21:33You said it first.
21:34I've never been as nice to you.
21:35Oh, you have not.
21:36You treated me like shit for years,
21:38and then I forgave you recently.
21:38Oh, you treated me like shit for years, too.
21:40I treated you like shit?
21:42Yes, you did.
21:42Okay.
21:44Right.
21:46Well, you guys have seen all of the episodes from this season,
21:49but we didn't send you the aftermath of the Amsterdam dinner.
21:53We wanted you to watch this together today as a group for the first time,
21:56and then get your reactions on the other side.
21:59So the day after that dinner, we captured a car ride to the airport
22:03with Jen, Emily, Gina, Tamara, and Heather, and we're going to take a look at it.
22:12I felt awful about the way that dinner went.
22:16I don't like it, but I went to the actual pages of the people, and she does follow these accounts,
22:25but then I went to the posts that she supposedly liked, and I can't find anyone that she actually liked.
22:36Well, did she go on and like these accounts?
22:39Well, I don't know if that's the question.
22:40You can't just sit across from someone and accuse them of doing something without knowing for sure.
22:45This just goes back to the root of the problem.
22:47You and Gretchen go tib per tad all the time, and I feel this is all stemming from that.
22:54And to be honest, like at this point, I want to remove myself from that.
22:58So it's my fault?
22:59All you guys do is bring up shit that you see on the internet to hurt each other.
23:03It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it's like you're going to both destroy both of your lives.
23:08How much shit can I take from this girl?
23:09All these things you can say about me and I just sit back?
23:12No, I'm not doing that. Checkmate, bitch.
23:17So Gretchen, how does it feel seeing that there was remorse from Emily, Gina, and Heather?
23:24Does that make you feel any better?
23:26Yeah.
23:27Yeah?
23:27I didn't even, I mean, we all went to our room that night and stayed up looking at stuff.
23:32Thanks.
23:33And, you know, you wake up the next day and you go, how did this happen?
23:37Has anyone since Amsterdam seen any articles or credible sources talking about the posts
23:43that Gretchen has claimed to have liked?
23:46No, I searched for it because I was trying to find something legitimate.
23:50There's nothing.
23:51And I couldn't find anything.
23:52And to me, a screenshot is not clear and convincing evidence.
23:57Like, I want to see the actual posts.
23:59I do remember seeing that night that there were live posts still up there that you had liked.
24:06They were as of two days ago.
24:07Whether intentionally or not they were there.
24:09I'm curious, Katie, you weren't there.
24:10You're seeing all this for the first time.
24:12No.
24:12What's your reaction to all this?
24:14Um, it's a little heartbreaking because I don't stand on that side of things.
24:19I am very much pro-LGBTQIA.
24:20Me too.
24:21Um, and I'm outward about that and I don't follow the accounts.
24:25That would be the opposite.
24:26I just don't.
24:28You know, Heather, much of your story this season was about supporting your children
24:34through, um, allyship.
24:37So where does this leave the two of you?
24:42I mean, I, I, I guess the only thing that I could say to you, like I said to you that night,
24:46was I gravely apologize if I had inadvertently liked to post that I didn't realize was,
24:52you know, hurtful towards you or your family or anybody in the community.
24:56Because it's just not who I am or what I align with or what I subscribe to.
24:59So I think you know who I am as a person.
25:02And I hope you believe who I am as a person and that I'm extremely sorry.
25:07Well, like I said at the beginning of this,
25:08you've always been supportive and kind to me and my family.
25:12And I think that's why it was so shocking.
25:14That's hurtful to everyone in your life that identifies like that.
25:21Gretchen, you're crying because?
25:23Because, like I said that night, it's not who I am.
25:28It's not what I align with.
25:30And I just felt like it was such a personal attack on me.
25:35And, you know, Tamara and I had made up the day before.
25:38And I really thought that we were like, maybe having a chance to move forward.
25:44Okay, just stop right there.
25:46Gina, when did I show you that post?
25:49When we were in Orange County.
25:51Which you're not understanding is that from my point of view,
25:54it felt like it was being plotted and planned.
25:56And it brought back memories of even naked wasted, to be honest,
26:00of when I saw you on camera going,
26:02we're going to get her naked wasted.
26:04We're going to make her do something stupid.
26:05And you know what, Tamara?
26:07It's fucking hard to sit there and think that somebody's plotting and planning something.
26:12And you have no fucking idea that somebody's doing that.
26:15It's fucked up.
26:16It's fucked up.
26:18You know what, Andy?
26:19This is life-changing.
26:20This is life-destroying.
26:22And you brought that up.
26:23I just heard you.
26:24You're drugging somebody is life-destroying, too.
26:26I have got so many death threats.
26:27I have businesses.
26:28I've gotten so much shit because of the stuff that you are out disseminating
26:31and telling people that you're-
26:32I am not disseminating anything.
26:33You are out disseminating that there's so many people.
26:35There is a whole thread up there that's been out there for two years.
26:38Oh, my God, Tamara, I have so many text messages from people.
26:41She's not talking about the Twitter feed.
26:42They're posting them currently because they got them recently.
26:47I didn't say that, but you can make whatever connection you want.
26:50Show me.
26:51Show me.
26:51I get these messages on the daily.
26:53You are so full of shit.
26:54I get these messages on-
26:55You are so full of shit.
27:02I get these messages on the daily.
27:04You are so full of shit.
27:05I get these messages on every single one of those little accounts you are attached to.
27:10There are accounts out there that are very pro-Tamra, and those are the accounts that are
27:14posting those screenshots.
27:15They report-
27:16There's accounts that are pro-everybody.
27:18There's accounts that hate me.
27:19I'm just saying-
27:20I'm just saying-
27:20This digital thing-
27:22It's being very suspect.
27:22This is-
27:23Well, thank you, Emily.
27:24Well, just so you know-
27:24I'm saying it's suspect, Tamara.
27:26You should flip through this.
27:26It's suspect, Emily.
27:27You should flip through this because they are linking accounts that they say that you are somehow
27:33involved with-
27:33There's all these little accounts-
27:34There's all these little accounts-
27:35Tamara's the only one that's following those accounts.
27:38Those are all the accounts-
27:39It's your little criminal network that you're reaching out to everybody.
27:45I don't have a criminal network-
27:46Okay, Tamara.
27:47Sure, sure.
27:48I have a job.
27:50Do you ever not talk to bloggers?
27:51Do you never leak any information about this show?
27:54No.
27:54You ever done that?
27:55What are you talking about?
27:56Never in my life.
27:57Okay, Tamara.
27:59Well, about a week after the Amsterdam trip ended, we picked cameras back up to see how everyone was
28:05processing.
28:06Oh, wow.
28:06So I'm going to show you now an interaction that happened between Jen, Gina, and Shannon
28:12at Jen's house after cameras went down.
28:15Keep in mind, this was shot on May 9th, 2025, before any trailers or episodes had aired.
28:23Watch this.
28:23Oh my god, the account is back and it has a different name.
28:37Wait, how did you get it?
28:38What?
28:39She really just sent me a screenshot.
28:40They said, I know you don't know who I am.
28:42I'm just someone who wants to expose the truth.
28:45Camera has been leaking details about the entire season throughout filming to bloggers and fan pages.
28:51If you want to test knowledge, feel free.
28:53I can prove everything I'm saying.
28:54What?
28:55She does do love talking mainly on Instagram and it's always a play-by-play during filming.
29:02Can you give us a couple of things that you know?
29:04So I know that when she fake quit after the New Orleans trip and when she did return,
29:10she filmed with Heather at some restaurant.
29:12Hi.
29:12I think it was Costa Vesa.
29:14Yeah.
29:14She told this group of people that came at last film with the group on March 20th.
29:18This might be like the last time anyone sees me with this group of women.
29:22And then her last scene was like a sit down with Tamara.
29:26Katie Cheney, fancy meeting you here.
29:29There are so many things that are coming up that haven't even aired.
29:32I think it was something to do with Gretchen eventually telling Katie something.
29:36And then Katie reported back to Tamara.
29:38Gretchen lied and said she went to a hospital.
29:40Wait, what?
29:41Wow.
29:42Yeah.
29:43Tamara's getting away with leaking info yet holding Katie accountable for doing the exact same thing.
29:48Oh my god.
29:49She had a conversation with Gretchen and a guest slave.
29:51Hi.
29:52No.
29:52And she took her high mood and she just kept walking away.
29:55On April 20th, she told my friend that you and she were plotting against Gretchen to bring up
30:00transphobic and all the food and stuff.
30:03And you guys both had hoped that it would turn everyone against her.
30:06That's insane.
30:07She's clearly trying to make this like a mindful thing when I have nothing to do with this.
30:12Like it's, that's insane.
30:13You know what, Tamara?
30:15I'm not here to do your dirty work.
30:17I'm not your fucking henchman.
30:18I'm not your minion.
30:19And now you've pissed me off.
30:20This is all of her content.
30:22This is everything.
30:24This is insane.
30:25You guys, that's...
30:26This is insane.
30:27Wow.
30:30Who's this guy?
30:32The voice.
30:32I don't know.
30:33Who is he?
30:33Who is he?
30:34This is someone that contacted who?
30:36All of us.
30:37All of us.
30:38When you all agree to do the show, you all agree to keep everything that you shoot confidential.
30:43Yep.
30:44So how do you explain how this person knows this?
30:47It is not me, Andy.
30:49And this is bullshit.
30:50And this is an ambush.
30:52So you don't talk to anybody.
30:53You don't talk to bloggers.
30:55You don't tell information.
30:57I don't give away story line.
30:57No, I don't.
30:57But do you talk to bloggers?
30:58I've been on this show for...
30:59We all talk to bloggers.
31:00I don't.
31:01But there's a difference between saying hi, bye, thank you, yes, great, good luck at the
31:06reunion.
31:07Well, that's not what I'm talking about.
31:07That's different than giving away story line.
31:09I've been on this show for 15 years.
31:11We've never had this problem until you came back.
31:14Oh, okay.
31:15This is late.
31:15Or has it always been a problem?
31:17All people are finally coming out and talking about it.
31:19What?
31:19What am I doing?
31:20This guy said you've been doing it for years.
31:22Well, show your face, buddy.
31:24Show the proof.
31:25Show the proof.
31:26And then when people come after you, they go out on social media and support you.
31:31And they do it because you supply them with story line ahead of time.
31:35You keep them in the know and tell them they help you.
31:37This is bullshit.
31:38This is bullshit.
31:39That's what he said.
31:40This guy.
31:40You heard it, Gina?
31:41Uh-huh.
31:42Slate's friend.
31:42It's not Slate's friend.
31:43But they weren't scenes that she was in.
31:45But none of those...
31:46Yes, there were scenes that I wasn't in.
31:47Tara, show me the proof.
31:50Show me my writing.
31:52On that call, he said something that happened in Amsterdam was you were upset that you didn't
31:58get asked to go to the upfronts.
32:00Sunday, she told my friend that you were mad because you didn't give an invite to the
32:05upfronts on Monday.
32:06But then you called upper management.
32:08You threw a fit because you thought you should go.
32:10But we all knew that.
32:14That was the clincher.
32:14How was this guy?
32:15I had just gotten back from Paris the day before.
32:17How's this guy going to know that?
32:19The call is coming from someone here.
32:21Did every single person from our guest get invited to the upfronts but me?
32:25No.
32:25No.
32:26I did call, uh, Bravo today.
32:28And I said, I just want to know.
32:30Was there a reason that I wasn't asked to...
32:32You really did that?
32:33Yeah, I really did.
32:34And they said, no, absolutely not.
32:36We love you.
32:37I didn't do this!
32:38But this is the problem.
32:39And this is where we now lie.
32:40Like, we don't know.
32:41Do you do this?
32:42Do you not do this?
32:42No, I don't.
32:43Why did you guys find this person to be credible on the call?
32:46Because he knew stuff before.
32:48Things that were...
32:49Do you think I'm the only person on this cast?
32:51Well, it's someone here.
32:52Not me.
32:53Right.
32:54Well, you're honoring yourself on this one.
32:56Like, you're clean on this one.
32:59It's very suspect to me that he knew about a specific setup between these two people
33:04about Gretchen and the screenshots.
33:06The only people that knew about that are the people sitting in this room.
33:10And I know it wasn't her.
33:12Hearing the person say, and Gina's plotting against Gretchen, it made me feel like you're
33:19doing this and you're trying to now pass the buck to me.
33:22Why would I say that?
33:23That same person had texted me and said, Tamara has been plotting and planning this thing against
33:28you for a long time.
33:29And then he...
33:30But she didn't know you were coming back to the...
33:32No, no, he said that it would have been in the last two weeks.
33:35It was from you.
33:37No, it wasn't from me, Tamara.
33:38It was not from me, Tamara.
33:40Yes, Slade is working.
33:41Oh my God, you're such a fucking liar.
33:43You're just mad because you got caught.
33:45That's right.
33:45No, I'm not mad.
33:46Yeah, you're mad that you got caught.
33:47I'm mad because it is a lie.
33:48And guess what?
33:50I want to tell you something else he said.
33:51Okay, I want to hear from Shannon.
33:53Gina and Jen, you were on the call.
33:54Yes.
33:55You also remember that he said when those prank calls were happening where it says Kelly
33:59Dodd and all that.
34:00You said it happened.
34:00What is the prank call?
34:02I got prank called and I didn't tell one person about it.
34:05You thought it would be funny and you gave Heather's number and my number.
34:09And I remember getting the prank call.
34:11Oh, I did get that call.
34:12And they recorded it and they recorded it and they recorded it.
34:15I have never done that.
34:19Heather.
34:21This is fucked up.
34:22And my children's life.
34:29I have never done this.
34:31Heather, what is your, what's your, what's your take about this?
34:35This I find concerning.
34:37It's, it's, you know.
34:39Is it concerning that they never come out until Gretchen's on and slaves here?
34:43And all this shit that he's done?
34:46Gina, you clearly believe this based on the conversation.
34:49Well, I got pissed off because my name got thrown around in there.
34:53I do believe it.
34:53I don't play this game.
34:54This whole inter-underworks.
34:56You said you felt like you were set up by Tara.
34:57Or whatever.
34:58That's what I'm saying.
34:59I did.
34:59I believed this because the only people who knew that we knew about the post about Gretchen are
35:05you and I.
35:06So what's your response to her?
35:08That is bullshit.
35:08No, no, no.
35:09I mean with regards, I mean with regards to our season.
35:12Oh.
35:13With regards to our season.
35:15So what's your, so she's saying that she feels like set up by you.
35:18What's your response to her?
35:19She should be felt set up by slaves.
35:21No one knew that this whole thing about accusing Gretchen was between the two of you.
35:26I know, and that's why I got hurt.
35:26And if it's not Gina's the one who's telling him, then it has to be you.
35:30And it got twisted into I knew it.
35:32And I don't like that.
35:32I don't like that.
35:33That has to do with you too.
35:35I'm telling you bullshit.
35:37Yes.
35:37You can say it.
35:38It doesn't make sense.
35:38I was like, are you kidding me?
35:40Gina sent me up with this.
35:41It doesn't make sense.
35:4215 fucking years have been on the show and never had this problem.
35:45And this cunt comes back and guess what?
35:48Guess what?
35:49Now all of a sudden Slade's pulling his magic.
35:51I know, but Slade wouldn't have known that information because she didn't know it.
35:56I didn't even know.
35:57I was a bambush with that.
35:58Slade wouldn't have known.
35:58This is bullshit.
35:59It's bullshit.
36:00The finale night, we went out to dinner afterwards.
36:03You had a very smug look on your face.
36:06In fact, I said you look orgasmic.
36:08It was like, I got it.
36:09I won and it made it and all of us commented on it.
36:13We did.
36:14We felt uncomfortable.
36:15Because this is the thing.
36:16This is what I keep going back to between the two of you guys though.
36:19On my children's lives, this is not true.
36:22You sent all your taglines to a group of bloggers.
36:25No, I didn't.
36:26You tell them?
36:27Well, isn't it interesting that they got them?
36:28No, I didn't.
36:29Production knows.
36:30No.
36:30He said these are taglines.
36:32I shared my alternate taglines with my fan, the guy that ran my fan page for 15 years.
36:41But a group of people got all your taglines.
36:43They didn't get mine.
36:44They didn't get John's.
36:44I already told you where that came from, but I told them that where where I came from too.
36:48Something totally different.
36:49Well, hold on.
36:50I do want to say about the tagline thing.
36:51I think it is different because I know housewives who like run their taglines by people.
36:56I think that the thing that I would like to know from Tamara before I end this is to me,
37:05you and Gina are good buddies.
37:07Mm-hmm.
37:08And so I actually think this kind of comes down to between the two of you,
37:13because I know that things have been troubled with Jen and we know where you've been with Shannon.
37:18So how do you two move on from this?
37:22Because she's saying she felt set up by you in this situation.
37:25I feel set up by this whole situation.
37:28Okay.
37:28So I don't, Gina, I didn't do that.
37:31On my children's life, I did not do that.
37:35But what I'm saying is, did they, did this person show you any proof that this stuff came from Tamara?
37:43Right, where's the proof?
37:44They just, they gave us a story line.
37:46The proof is that they gave us a story line from the content of our season.
37:50I understand that we could know.
37:52That only us would know.
37:53Why don't we get this person out here and ask him where this is coming from?
37:56I would love for him to come out.
37:57I would too.
37:58Can we put him out?
37:59I would love it.
38:00This situation, it doesn't even really have to, this doesn't even have to do with Gretchen,
38:03right?
38:03This has to do, like, I'm just saying, like, from between you and I, like,
38:07if you are telling anybody about anything that's happening here,
38:10it's getting fucking out.
38:12It is.
38:12And it's becoming a problem.
38:13It is.
38:13You know?
38:14And so that's what I'm saying is-
38:15So, and lots of people are coming forward to here.
38:16Yeah, but you're making it sound like I'm reaching out to bloggers.
38:19But that's what they're saying.
38:21That is what they're saying to creators.
38:23And I'm telling you I am not accusing Katie of.
38:27Yeah, and it gave Katie shit for it a lot too, you know?
38:31I mean, this is what we're saying is if this is happening, it's not okay.
38:35No, it's not okay.
38:36And the same accountability that happens to Katie should be taken across the board.
38:40Do you still feel set up by Tamara?
38:44I don't know.
38:44I mean, I have a hard time with that because ultimately I like to take responsibility
38:48for the things that I choose to do when we're here, okay?
38:51And I understand how this works.
38:52And I understand that sometimes when things are told to you,
38:55there's an expectation that then you're going to go and tell your other friends.
38:58So I have a really hard time putting it all on her when I chose to bring it up to you
39:03at the end of the day, okay?
39:05And I apologize for the way I brought that up to you.
39:09And I clearly had a lot of then remorse for bringing it up to you.
39:13And I don't know if I believe all this.
39:15And I don't know if I believe all this.
39:17But I know it's all a problem.
39:19Yeah, it is.
39:20And I'm over a lot of it.
39:22And I wish that there had been you maybe going and verifying if that post was even true.
39:27Yeah, are verifying this stuff until you guys...
39:28Do you think someone close to you is betraying you?
39:31Do you think someone is...
39:32I don't know.
39:33I don't know.
39:34But I'm telling you, Andy, I'm not reaching out to bloggers.
39:36I've been on this show for 15 years.
39:38Yeah, I know, nothing's ever leaked.
39:40But it's just a coincidence that now he's on the show and they've been attacking me for so long.
39:44I know, but he wouldn't have known that piece of information.
39:47But you know what you just said to Andy and watch what happens.
39:49I'd be like, this is how I keep my jobs.
39:51This is rude.
39:52It's not what I said.
39:53It's something like that.
39:54But listen, this is a moment for everyone to say it is enough.
39:59I joined this show when my youngest kid was nine months old.
40:02He's turning 15.
40:04You've been on this show longer than me.
40:06You started before me.
40:08Things have changed.
40:09It has got to stop.
40:11Yeah.
40:12No careers, no kids, no bloggers, none of this.
40:17And then it doesn't change.
40:17This is about our friendship.
40:20This is about conflict and resolution between us.
40:24And that's all it's ever been and all it ever should be.
40:27And anyone that arrives in this group and thinks they're playing a game of survivor
40:32is sadly mistaken.
40:33And I think everyone needs to agree, once and for all, this has got to stop.
40:40Yeah, I agree.
40:41It's hard enough.
40:42It's hard enough to be in this group.
40:43It really is.
40:44And to be in this dynamic and to navigate all of this.
40:47And share your lives and your families.
40:48And to be authentic and to talk.
40:49I mean, you know, it's hard for me to share about Luke.
40:51It's hard for me to talk about marriage.
40:53I mean, it's hard for all of us.
40:54We're sharing authentic things about our lives.
40:56But it is so much harder when we have to navigate outside people.
41:01And the outside people aren't our friends.
41:03No.
41:03So we have to not deal with those outside people.
41:07It's hard enough to deal with this as it is without bringing more people into this group.
41:11All right.
41:12Very well said.
41:13I want to leave it there.
41:15And I want to come back and we're going to wrap things up.
41:19We're back with final thoughts from the Real Housewives of Orange County season 19 reunion.
41:34Ladies, Christina from the UK said,
41:36if you could take back one thing you've said this season, what would it be?
41:40Gretchen, starting with you.
41:41Uh, that I brought up the thing about Tamara and that whole situation.
41:47Shannon?
41:48My reaction to you was too extreme.
41:50You are nothing like Alexis Molino.
41:53Thank you, Shannon.
41:54Katie?
41:55I think I said something about Jen in a confessional,
41:59about just having a strong distaste sport, and I regret that.
42:03Heather?
42:05Um, it's not something I regret saying, but I wish I had been more vocal about the photo.
42:12Emily?
42:16Um, I can't think of anything other than I'll just go back to Katie to last year.
42:22And I wish I would have formed the question better as opposed to making it about your children,
42:28because that wasn't my intent.
42:29I wouldn't want to do that.
42:31So I wish I had said it in a better, more articulate way.
42:35Thank you, Emily.
42:36Gina?
42:36Um, it wasn't this season, but obviously I regret having asked you what you were wearing that day.
42:43The bicycle, I do.
42:45This season, I obviously deeply regret saying that I thought you weren't funny.
42:50And I do think you're funny.
42:53Thank you, Gina.
42:53And I love you.
42:54Tamara?
42:55I'm sharing the picture of Jen.
42:58Jen?
42:58Uh, two for me.
43:00The, I gave Shannon the feeling that I didn't appreciate the bridal party.
43:03Oh, sweet.
43:03That's nothing.
43:04And then, um, the video.
43:06That was hurtful for Katie.
43:08Thank you, Jen.
43:09You know, Katie and Jen, do you see a path forward?
43:12I hope so.
43:15We have a conversation we need to have.
43:17Yeah.
43:17Because when I was in the trailer, I got a call that you were with Nicole just yesterday.
43:21Yeah.
43:22And Nicole's my friend.
43:24Yeah.
43:24Not that she can't be yours, but you went right up to her.
43:27And Nicole's like, you said, I'm going to ask you something and tell me the truth.
43:30Was Ryan involved with Matt's booking?
43:32No, no, I didn't say we were coming at you.
43:34I said, was he involved?
43:36Nicole said it was so obvious that you've been digging, and that just kept on.
43:40And to know she went there to pump Nicole for information so she and Tamara can go sit out
43:46there like some united front, she's going to fuck herself.
43:49My friend Laylee hosted an event, and she was a guest.
43:52And I was invited by my friend Laylee, who owns the event space.
43:55But you went up fishing again for me.
43:56And this is where, Katie, I had nothing but love, 100% love for you.
44:00You can't do this stuff in real friendships.
44:02You can't go to my friends and say, I got to ask you.
44:03I haven't heard from you, Jen.
44:05You're sitting here today saying, I hope there's a path.
44:08I'm in my trailer eating lunch.
44:09Nicole says, I'm driving Matt to prison today.
44:11She told me that she doesn't talk to you anymore because you've been hurtful to her.
44:16Matt is the bookie that Ryan works with.
44:18She's with her.
44:19She said she hasn't talked to you for weeks, and you said you submitted her for casting.
44:22No, she said you told her that they want her on the show,
44:25and that you will submit her for casting.
44:27She said you sent her a message and said, I submitted you for casting.
44:29She said you did.
44:30I don't even, I just met her for the second time last night.
44:33I'm just saying, Katie, I'm sorry.
44:34It's the phone call I just got.
44:35You can have a call with Laylee, and you can hear the real story.
44:38And it's exactly what I'm saying.
44:38But I don't need it.
44:39I trust Nicole.
44:40OK.
44:42OK.
44:43All right.
44:44For our final toast this year, we are doing Hurricanes from New Orleans.
44:48Gina, we made you a mocktail.
44:51I want to get this right.
44:54Heather, why don't you lead us in a toast?
44:58Oh, dear.
44:58Did you chat, JPT?
44:59Here, Gretchen.
45:00I didn't grab.
45:01I think we said it all best.
45:03I think in order to move forward, the path has to be clear.
45:06Cheers to that.
45:07Cheers.
45:08Cheers to season 19.
45:10Woo.
45:11In the books, baby.
45:12Incredible.
45:13In the books.
45:14Thank you all for being here.
45:16Thanks for your openness.
45:16Nice figure.
45:17That is a wrap.
45:19Terrifying.
45:19Wow.
45:20For more, go to bravotv.com.
45:23Cheers.
45:24Tamara.
45:28Gretchen.
45:29You OK?
45:30No.
45:31This is not OK.
45:32It's a fucking lie set up, and it's not fucking true.
45:37Where do you think it is coming from?
45:40Yeah.
45:40I don't know.
45:42Thank you, you guys.
45:45Just ask him.
45:46I get one, too.
45:46I never take a photo with Andy.
45:48What's the name of the account that reached out to you about this?
45:50They deleted the DM that they originally sent me, and I honestly do not remember the name.
45:54Are you trying to be taller?
45:56Yes.
45:57But to say that I call vloggers, and there's absolutely no fucking information on it?
46:02Like, it's bullshit, and what's more bullshit is I can't find my fucking phone.
46:07Good job, too.
46:08You did really good.
46:09Put my spanks down.
46:10I only have one on today.
46:12Newsflash.
46:13What are you looking for, Tamara?
46:15My phone.
46:16Did you find it?
46:17Yeah.
46:17Oh, OK.
46:18It's going to be OK.
46:19No, it's not OK.
46:21OK, can I be in a group?
46:22Yeah, of course.
46:23Can I take a group shot?
46:24Oh my god, let's wait here.
46:26I'll go in here and see it.
46:28But I didn't do this.
46:30This is such a good dress.
46:32Oh, man, I can't wait to burn it.
46:35Thank you, everybody, for a wonderful day.
46:37Thank you, everybody.
46:41Jeez Louise, that was a lot.
46:43My feet are in pain.
46:44They're like sausages.
46:46Yeah.
46:47When we fuck up, which we all have and do, then say you do.
46:50It's obvious.
46:51Jen, you were on the call.
46:52I was on the call.
46:53There was too much circumstantial evidence.
46:55This is my leg tape.
46:56I see that.
46:57You know what it does?
46:58It lifts.
46:59I'm going to give you.
47:01I'll go if you're going home.
47:03I'll go if you're going home.
47:04We'll go if Tamron doesn't go.
47:06I know.
47:07You were very brave.
47:08I know.
47:08She had to keep it.
47:09You're again like mine.
47:10I didn't do it.
47:13I know you didn't.
47:14I value my job, and I've never done that.
47:19Well, you just know going forward who's in your corner and who's not.
47:22You know what I mean?
47:23I mean, at the end of the day, Katie and Tamron, no wonder they're friends.
47:26They're the same person.
47:27They can't trust me.
47:28Why can't you trust me?
47:31You need to go home.
47:32It takes the day.
47:35This is not what this show is about.
47:37I know.
47:38It's retaliation.
47:39Of course it is.
47:40Gretchen and Slater are so fucking dangerous.
47:42There were some things on there that only her and I would have known.
47:48So if it's not you, then it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out
47:56who the guilty party is.
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