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After the First 48 (2008) Season 11 Episode 4
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00:01The following program documents a real homicide case,
00:04the investigation, the pursuit of justice,
00:06and the lasting impact on the loved ones left behind.
00:14We got a tentative count of six wounds to her body.
00:18There's a lot of anger there.
00:20This is a violent death.
00:23We're gonna give it every ounce of the respect that she deserves.
00:27Her life matters.
00:28For those most affected by a homicide.
00:31I searched my heart to see who would have done this to my mom.
00:35It had to have been somebody that she knew.
00:38The first 48 is just the beginning.
00:41This is not a typical homicide case.
00:45Do we have another victim here?
00:47Is he dead?
00:48And I'm like, oh my God.
00:50It's just like light bulb.
00:53Is he gonna have a weapon?
00:54The defense was gonna try to paint Miss Campbell as a very violent aggressor.
01:01It was either him or her.
01:03So we had a very viable self-defense claim.
01:06If they were successful, we knew that he would be acquitted.
01:09I quit it.
01:10This is the story of the fight for justice.
01:13In the weeks, months, and years.
01:16I miss her so much.
01:18After the first 48.
01:23In the Treme neighborhood.
01:24You all asleep, hello?
01:25Yeah, but lady laying in the flat.
01:26She full of blood.
01:27First responders race to the scene.
01:28But it's too late.
01:29The woman is dead.
01:30The woman is dead.
01:31The woman's dead.
01:39You want to say hello?
01:41Yeah, but lady laying this lot, she's full of blood.
01:46First responders race to the scene.
01:50But it's too late.
01:53The woman is dead.
02:03When you're up for a homicide, you're kind of on edge.
02:07You're just waiting for that bell to ring.
02:10And when that bell rings, it's go time.
02:14My daddy worked in homicide.
02:16This, to me, is a career.
02:18It's not a job.
02:19And it is a calling.
02:26It's your stabbing, though.
02:31Found the ID.
02:34Fannie Campbell.
02:37Fannie was 58 years old and worked as a cook in the Tremay neighborhood.
02:44She leaves behind two daughters and a grandson.
02:50Everyone's life matters.
02:51She did not deserve to be murdered to death that morning.
02:55Like, her life has value.
02:58That's why my job is to solve this crime.
03:01Her throat's cut.
03:04That's probably the fatal one there.
03:05She got a tentative count of six wounds to her body on the side of her neck.
03:15One above her breast.
03:17The front of each shoulder.
03:19She has two puncture wounds to her abdomen.
03:21There's a lot of anger there to actually stab somebody that many times.
03:27This is a violent death that she endured.
03:33You know that it's up close and personal.
03:39She had defensive wounds.
03:40Obviously, she was in some kind of struggle with her attacker as she's being stabbed.
03:45So, who, what, when, where, why this happened?
03:49All these answers, we don't know.
03:52It was just kind of like an atypical crime scene.
03:55I'll take the big picture first and then start moving in smaller and smaller.
04:01Perfume.
04:03Got some peppermint candies.
04:06I wonder if they were to put their pockets, too, and pull on something.
04:09It could have been a robbery that went wrong.
04:15But a woman stabbed to death, we lean towards domestic.
04:18But, you know, no one heard any screaming or any fighting.
04:21And then the white sheet is very uncharacteristic of something happening there.
04:26Which kind of started making us lean more towards her body.
04:29It was actually discarded there and the crime happened somewhere else.
04:32And that was our starting point.
04:36This is going to be an old-fashioned whodonit.
04:43Five hours in.
04:46I'm going to do a criminal history check.
04:49I needed to get an understanding of who my victim was.
04:57His prior convictions only for cocaine.
05:01It looks like her last arrest was in April of this year for aggravated battery.
05:06We found some things in Fannie's past.
05:09But that didn't change the fact that me and Rob were going to run on that case.
05:13And give it every ounce of the respect that she deserved.
05:17Fannie's daughter just learned from the coroner's office that her mother was violently murdered.
05:34When I got the phone call that Fannie was found dead, literally my toenails caught a fire.
05:41I screamed from the pits of hell to heaven gates because I couldn't understand.
05:47I was just with her.
05:49And she was going just like that.
05:53That is a day I'll never forget.
05:54My life changed completely.
05:58If it's okay with you, me and my partner, we'd like to come over and talk to you.
06:02All right.
06:04She may have some insight as to what's going on.
06:07We meet people on their worst day.
06:15The investigation is still new right now.
06:18When the detectives came to my house, I searched my heart to see who would have done this to my mom.
06:25We're trying to find out anything we can about your mom, about her history.
06:29I can give it to you.
06:31She gave me up for adoption.
06:32I found her at 16.
06:34She's been rough her whole life.
06:35I'm not ashamed to see my mom with these drugs.
06:37Right.
06:38Because she left me with a good life.
06:40So I can't see nothing bad about my mom.
06:43I'm grateful to her because I didn't have to go through the struggle.
06:48I wasn't out there with her addictions.
06:51I was adopted from 29 days old.
06:55And when I was introduced to Fannie, we didn't rekindle pain.
06:59We brought laughter and happiness to each other.
07:02She was just living her life, but it was snatched.
07:06Was she stabbed and shot, sir?
07:08No, ma'am.
07:09She was just stabbed, but she was stabbed several times.
07:12It was a brutal stabbing?
07:13Yes, ma'am.
07:14Somebody who had some anger in her heart.
07:17Listen to me and listen to me good.
07:20My mom wasn't the type of woman that you can just fight her and get away with.
07:25She used to carry a razor blade under her tongue.
07:28She's not scared.
07:29It had to have been somebody that she know to get that close up on her to do that much damage to.
07:35That's why I want to ask you if there's anybody that you suspect of who might have done her.
07:40So that's when I told them I knew it couldn't have been nobody but him.
07:46To be honest with you, from my gut, one person that really would want my mama hurt like that would be Tom.
07:51Tom Seaborn Gibson was my mom's boyfriend of 30-plus years.
07:59My mama was a beautiful spirit, so she would gravitate to everybody.
08:04And he didn't like that.
08:06Tom was a very controlling person.
08:08Like this old little man, he didn't want nobody to have his family.
08:12He's older.
08:13Is he capable of this, you think?
08:13That's the only person I could see.
08:17Looking at the violent nature of her death, I'm not thinking that someone of that age could have been responsible.
08:25She's got a history of drugs, so it could have been a whole different person that stabbed Fannie.
08:30We needed to find out more.
08:32When was the last time you went to the house on St. Philip?
08:34I talked to Tom, and everything was all good.
08:36He said, your mama crazy.
08:38She said he's crazy.
08:39He'd be hiding that age.
08:41And then he was back and forth.
08:42There was a history of domestic violence, which doesn't mean he killed her, but it's a possible motive.
08:49What is Tom drawing?
08:50Is it called?
08:51Tom was black with rims.
08:53F-150 is burgundy.
08:55Burgundy, F-150.
08:57And he hasn't called you enough like that?
08:59Haven't called me, haven't told me nothing.
09:03Tom could be the guy.
09:04We have to explore him further now, because that's the only name we have at this point.
09:09Man.
09:12Go ahead, pitch yourself up.
09:19She look different than this, man.
09:25You're going to have that one?
09:27It was a booking photo.
09:28I certainly wasn't going to deny her that opportunity to have that photo of her mama.
09:32We're going to talk to you, boss.
09:36It's all right.
09:41Your common-law wife for 30 years is dead.
09:44If everybody else knows it, I'm sure he knows it.
09:49He and Rob thought it was suspicious that C-Bond hadn't reached out to Danielle.
09:53We needed to figure out why.
09:56We needed to figure it out pretty quick.
09:58We're making famous fried pork chops.
10:17She was just so full of life.
10:21It made me smile.
10:23It kept me going.
10:24It kept me to where I wanted to be, just like her.
10:26So, I'm making what I know she would love, chops.
10:32We live in a world where everyone judges, but not mama.
10:36She didn't.
10:37Me coming out in 1996 out of the closet, my mom was my best friend for that.
10:44She said, baby, God don't judge, so how can I judge?
10:47That was the most important thing for me in the world.
10:53She said, whatever I wanted to be, we're going to do a test.
10:57Look at her, ain't that pretty?
10:58Mm-hmm.
11:01Even though my mother had her own struggles, she was still my mother and a human being.
11:08Well, mama, we get to eat a pork chop together.
11:13Oh, listen to that.
11:15Ooh-wee.
11:22That's good eating right there.
11:24This was the last time that we actually hung out together, and she told me, she said, baby, this is on it up again.
11:33Who would have known that that meant this is the last time?
11:37How far away is the house on the field?
12:02Four or five blocks.
12:03That's a pretty big clue that they live together, and, you know, the closer to the scene.
12:11Eight hours since Fanny was killed.
12:14Fanny had been in a tumultuous, violent relationship for over 23 years with a guy you've got to follow up on at that point.
12:26It's a Tahoe with rims.
12:27There it is.
12:27And two trucks.
12:29He's home.
12:30Let's look at his car, dude.
12:32Yep.
12:33So getting to the apartment, we see Seabon's vehicles.
12:41Several peppermints in the back of his truck.
12:46We located peppermint on the scene.
12:49Sometimes in an investigation, you get little hints, and I felt like I was in the right direction.
12:54I see the wood back here.
13:05Seabon live upstairs, and we're looking at this locked gate.
13:11Like, the only way in there is up.
13:13You think I'm climbing that fence?
13:14I'm climbing the fence.
13:15There's no way I'm climbing that fence.
13:17You can climb the fence.
13:18I enjoy suppertime too much to climb that fence.
13:26Get it?
13:31It's very dark.
13:32I see, like, a broken pane of glass.
13:34We don't know if, like, did the crime happen here?
13:42Is Tom a victim?
13:43Is Tom okay?
13:46Huh?
13:47They're just blowing the floor.
13:48Back out.
13:49On the floor, there's, like, dark droplets.
13:51Not a lot, but a few.
13:53So I would definitely get a search warrant for this place.
13:55It was a rush.
14:02It was exciting, knowing that we possibly found the initial crime scene when this crime actually occurred.
14:12Eleven hours in.
14:14While I was typing the warrant for his residence, Rob was looking up Seabon.
14:19Seabon, Tom Gibson, is a retired truck driver who's lived in New Orleans for over 50 years.
14:27He's 75 years old.
14:29Had parole for attempted secondary murder, 95, 97.
14:33So he has aggravated burglary, 93, theft.
14:39Just looking at him and his age, it just didn't register that he was our perpetrator.
14:45What's the chances, though, of a 75-year-old man overpowering and killing the victim?
14:53Do you think this man could drag her down the steps and put her in a truck and don't...
14:56Do you think he's got the strength to do that?
14:58I don't know.
15:00I don't know.
15:02We had three options.
15:03A, Seabon did it.
15:05He killed Fanny.
15:06He somehow got her in this truck, got her to this field, and he's our guy.
15:10B, he killed Fanny, and then maybe he killed himself.
15:14We're seeing...
15:15Do we have another victim here?
15:17Is he dead?
15:19This is weird.
15:21We'll see what happens, man.
15:22See what's in that house.
15:26The whole vehicle's still there.
15:35Burayer finds Tom's landlord.
15:37At that point, we didn't know what we were going to find.
15:54I just need a couple of units to help me and my partner conduct a search.
16:06Can you raise crime-led unit for me?
16:12I got you, come to the Duke.
16:13He's alive, but I couldn't see his hands.
16:17No, no, see your hands, Tom.
16:19Come out, come out with your hands on.
16:20Come out with your hands, Tom.
16:21It was pretty tense.
16:22I'm trying to get him out because, like, is he going to have a weapon?
16:24Come out, come out with your hands on.
16:36I couldn't see his hands.
16:37And then you're starting to think, hey, what's really going on here?
16:40Come on, come out here.
16:42Come out here.
16:44Come out with your hands on.
16:46Do you have any weapons on you, Tom?
16:48Do you have any weapons on you?
16:49All right.
16:5214 hours into the investigation.
16:55At that point, I'm like, there was no way he could have dragged a human body down those stairs,
17:00got her in a truck.
17:01It just didn't seem logical.
17:03He could pretty much barely walk.
17:05Was Tom capable of committing this crime?
17:08Perhaps.
17:09You okay?
17:13Oh.
17:14We're trained to look at people's hands when they come out because it's the hands that can hurt you.
17:18Have it to your hand, man.
17:20I put my hand on the cans.
17:22I don't know.
17:22Today?
17:23Today?
17:24No.
17:25When you're involved in a violent encounter, like a stabbing, a lot of times a perpetrator cuts himself.
17:30We'll go up to headquarters and talk?
17:32Okay.
17:34He was not under arrest at this point.
17:36I didn't want to make him think that I believed he was my prime suspect.
17:40I had a theory.
17:42So let him ride in the front seat with me up to headquarters.
17:45I stayed behind and do the search and the processing of the crime scene.
17:48It was really important for me to get him to trust me enough because I need this man to give me information.
18:01Can you tell me about what you've been doing all day?
18:08I've been home all day.
18:10Okay.
18:11Well, you have a living girlfriend or wife.
18:14What's her name?
18:16Fanny Camel.
18:18When was the last time you spoke to Fanny?
18:20Uh, Friday evening, I think it was, my trade.
18:28That was two days ago.
18:31I'm thinking, nah, no way.
18:33Fanny hadn't been out in that field since Friday.
18:36Those injuries were fresh.
18:37Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Fanny is deceased.
18:42Hi.
18:45Said, bro, I tell that girl many times.
18:49I said, Fanny, you know you ain't got no business in her treat you out there.
18:54Somebody gonna hurt you sooner or later.
18:56He tried to project that her lifestyle may have led to her death.
19:01You didn't seem to concern her, dog.
19:02That one put me through a lot of stuff.
19:06I'm dead, and I Fanny was a terrible one.
19:10Seabon is telling me his story of how he was a victim.
19:16We're conducting a search warrant on your house right now, okay?
19:20We noticed there was some blood in there.
19:24Can you explain that?
19:29I never felt any bleeding anymore.
19:31I was able to get to him and tell me about the tussle,
19:36but he constantly wanted to minimize his involvement in this.
19:41What happened after that was gone?
19:43I don't know if she left.
19:46As long as he was talking to me, I was happy.
19:48I sat with that man for over three hours,
19:50and I just wanted him talking,
19:52because I knew Rob was back at that apartment,
19:55and I knew he was getting a better story.
19:58It's a lot of blood, dude.
20:04It just happened in here.
20:05It had to have.
20:07Everything pointed to that being the crime scene,
20:10but I wanted to find the murder weapon.
20:12How do you get her downstairs, man?
20:14There's only one way.
20:14Right.
20:15You got it.
20:15You know, he's like 74 years old.
20:17There's blood on this mattress.
20:27Now this room leads to the roof.
20:30I had blood on the floor here, too.
20:33It forms a trail leading up the stairs.
20:35This is not the typical homicide case.
20:41This is more of a puzzle, like an onion.
20:43Everything kind of starts unpeeling.
20:49We found a peppermint.
20:52It's on the roof, and I'm like, oh, my God.
20:56It's just like light bulb.
20:57Based on, I guess, the angle of the roof where his truck's parked,
21:03the fact that there's no blood going in the main staircase,
21:06I mean, he got a sheet from the house,
21:08rolled her up, rolled her off the roof,
21:10and that was it.
21:11That's my theory.
21:12Then they knife with a serrated edge with blood on it.
21:33At that point, we were pretty confident we found the murder weapon,
21:36which is great.
21:37That's rare.
21:40Chuck's ready to go have a Gatorade on the sideline,
21:42and I'm going to come in fresh.
21:44I can kind of go at him with actual physical evidence.
21:49So what's his last story, so I know where I'm going with this?
21:52He says they got into a fight.
21:54She left.
21:54He hasn't seen her since.
21:56Okay.
21:56We have a lot of evidence now to support that Tom did this,
22:00but when we don't have, is Tom confessing?
22:03I needed that.
22:04For me to be able to make that arrest,
22:07I needed him to admit to it.
22:10You searched your house?
22:11And we found a lot of things at your house that contradict what you said.
22:19We found the knife.
22:21You have wounds in your hand that are basically indicative of that type of struggle, conflict.
22:26We found blood in two adjoining rooms that lead to the roof.
22:30No, we don't have.
22:31We don't have your story, Tommy.
22:34We don't have the truth.
22:36I'm screaming inside.
22:37Just say it.
22:38Just say it.
22:39Just say that you did this.
22:41You can see him processing what I'm telling him.
22:43There were no adamant, like, denials.
22:45He's thinking, how can I respond to this?
22:47What do I say?
22:48What happened last night?
22:49Think about it.
22:54It could have been so traumatic, it's kind of cloudy for you.
22:58You want us to give you a second to think about it?
22:59We'll come back in.
23:01Yeah, we'll take it back in.
23:02Think about it last night.
23:03Think about everything I told you.
23:05And we'll come back in about five minutes, Tommy.
23:06Let him smoke a cigarette, dude, get his mind straight, boom.
23:16We'll go in again.
23:17I'll say, as long as you want me to go, we'll go at him.
23:21I think in that moment where we stepped out, his mind's probably racing.
23:27You're not going to interrupt that pause.
23:29You're not going to interrupt that silence.
23:36Is he going to lawyer up, or is he going to come off?
24:0318 hours into the investigation.
24:05It's intense.
24:06It's an intense feeling.
24:08And I'm watching this man, and in my head, it's just loudly saying,
24:13come on, man, just tell the truth.
24:16We were talking.
24:19We were drinking.
24:23We kept on arguing.
24:26But I can't figure out how a knife came up in this issue here.
24:32Did she have it first, or what happened?
24:34I think that's what happened.
24:36Okay.
24:36That what happened, Tommy?
24:38I believe that's when I got cut in my hand.
24:41I was trying to take that knife from her.
24:44It was very important that they found that knife,
24:47because it was a crucial piece that Rob could use to break down C. Bond's lies.
24:55And what happened?
24:56I guess she had got cut.
24:59Where'd she get cut?
25:01In the chest.
25:03After we had scuffed with that knife, she wouldn't sit in that background.
25:08I had went inside and sat down and got into it again.
25:19At what point did she pass away?
25:21She went to the end of that porch or something.
25:26Not really?
25:26Laid down there.
25:27I went back inside, but when I come back again, she wasn't moving.
25:32Did you put her in something?
25:34But there was.
25:35I'm trying to take what that sheet I thought of.
25:39We had a lot of evidence suggesting that Tom did this.
25:42But it's so much stronger when someone admits to doing something.
25:45That was amazing, because we had our theory,
26:03and then he filled those gaps in with his statement.
26:09And what happened then?
26:10He tried to make it a self-defense kind of thing,
26:35but there were no tears.
26:37I didn't see any sympathy and sorrow.
26:40Remorse and just, like, this is what happened.
26:45I didn't have sympathy for Sibon.
26:48And I saw how many times she was stabbed, how violently.
26:52My sympathy was with Danielle.
26:55When I found out that Tom confessed, I cried.
26:59Because now, who can you trust?
27:02Someone you spend half of your life with
27:04can be the person that take your life.
27:06Sibon Gibson is charged with second-degree murder
27:10and obstruction of justice.
27:12I felt good, but the work wasn't done at this point.
27:17There's still a huge step that has to take place.
27:20And anything can happen at trial.
27:30We had the murder weapon.
27:32We had DNA evidence where the victim's blood was found in his residence.
27:37And I felt like that would have quite an effect on the jury.
27:39But there was a very real issue we were having to battle.
27:43The defense wanted to exclude the evidence.
27:47Initially, when Rob hopped the fence, he didn't have a warrant.
27:49It was a locked fence, which meant that you couldn't just go in.
27:56When you're a criminal defense lawyer, someone's life is on the line.
28:00I believe that law enforcement, in this case,
28:03illegally entered into the property.
28:05You need probable cause.
28:07So I filed the motion to suppress evidence.
28:10So we set a hearing date.
28:11If the judge granted the defense's motion,
28:15we as the prosecutors would not have been allowed to use
28:18any of the evidence found within Mr. Gibson's home.
28:22That would have been the end of the case.
28:28Eight months after Seabon's arrest,
28:31testimony begins at his hearing.
28:35We argued that the stairwell is technically a common area
28:39of the department complex.
28:40So since Rob Baruch didn't enter the home of the defendant,
28:44there was no Fourth Amendment violation.
28:47The judge agrees.
28:50We were definitely relieved that the physical evidence
28:52was ruled admissible.
28:54Unfortunately, it didn't go our way.
28:56For this case, I knew we had challenges,
28:57but I had a plan for each one.
29:01I knew there was going to be an argument for self-defense.
29:04And so I definitely wanted to try and explore
29:07the violent nature of their relationship first.
29:10Because I knew there was something more to the case.
29:13She had previously attacked Mr. Gibson
29:17two months before the actual incident took place.
29:21Here, we have a violent offense from Ms. Campbell
29:24as the perpetrator to Mr. Gibson as the victim.
29:27Mr. Gibson then attacked.
29:29She hit Mr. Gibson over the head with a hammer.
29:32She would have these moments of violence and explosive behavior.
29:37Mr. Gibson was the victim.
29:38But this time, Mr. Gibson fought back.
29:41The worst-case scenario is that the jury
29:44is going to feel for the defendant.
29:47The jury was going to see Mr. Gibson as a victim
29:50and Ms. Campbell as an aggressor
29:52and find Mr. Gibson innocent.
30:07I felt confident heading into trial
30:09because I felt as though the jury would sympathize
30:12with Mr. Gibson.
30:13He was in his mid-70s.
30:16Fannie previously attacked him with a hammer.
30:17We had a very viable self-defense claim.
30:25A year after Fannie's death,
30:27a jury will hear the case against C-Bond Gibson.
30:31This was my first murder trial,
30:33and it was nerve-wracking.
30:36The stakes feel higher
30:37because I wanted to get justice for Danielle.
30:40My nerves was rattling.
30:42I was queasy
30:43because I didn't know that I was going to be that close
30:46to Tom.
30:49After opening arguments.
30:51It was very clear that the defense
30:53was going to try to paint Ms. Campbell
30:55as a very violent aggressor.
30:58The case was essentially going to be an attack on Fannie,
31:00but she wasn't going to be able to give her side of the story.
31:03So we definitely needed to call somebody
31:05to humanize our victim.
31:08And so we wanted to do that with Danielle.
31:11I wanted the jurors
31:14to see my mother as an individual,
31:18not an aggressor,
31:20not a drug user,
31:23but as a human being.
31:27She was a beautiful grandmother
31:28and a wonderful mother
31:30to me.
31:32I feel like me
31:33telling my mom's story
31:35was her speaking for herself.
31:39Ms. Campbell had her own demons
31:41that she was battling throughout her life,
31:43but that doesn't take away from the fact
31:45that she was the victim here.
31:46I really wanted to show the jury
31:50that the way that Fannie was treated,
31:53it was so heinous
31:55and so brutal.
31:57The medical examiner was able to show
31:59just how much damage Fannie suffered.
32:02But on cross-examination...
32:05I questioned the medical examiner
32:07about victims' toxicology.
32:09There was evidence that suggested
32:10that Fannie had cocaine in her system
32:12and also alcohol.
32:14We were concerned
32:17that a jury would hear this information
32:19and assume she's actually
32:20the violent aggressor
32:21and Mr. Gibson is the victim.
32:24It was either him or her
32:25and he tried to survive.
32:28It definitely did go into
32:29the defense's theory
32:30that this isn't the first time.
32:32She had a pending case
32:33for aggravated battery
32:34in which Sheebon Gibson was the victim.
32:37There was no way around it.
32:39We had to face it head-on.
32:41I have here the original gist
32:43from the incident
32:44and this really just says
32:47that Sheebon Gibson was the victim
32:49and that Fannie Campbell
32:51hit him in the head with a hammer.
32:53But it actually says here
32:54in the report that
32:55she says Mr. Gibson struck her
32:58in the face with a closed fist
32:59and that's when she retrieved the hammer
33:01just to break the window
33:02to try and unlock the door.
33:03So even though Fannie was the one
33:06who got arrested
33:07it probably should have been Sheebon.
33:09It's always great
33:10when you can take the defense's evidence
33:12and use it to your own advantage.
33:13It certainly took some sting
33:14out of our theory
33:15but I don't think the jury got that.
33:21On the second day of trial
33:22we were able to play
33:23the taped interview
33:25that the detectives did
33:26with Mr. Gibson.
33:28What's interesting is that
33:29the prosecution and the defense
33:31are going to see it
33:32from two very different angles.
33:38Did she have it first?
33:39I think that's what happened.
33:42Obviously he doesn't want to tell us
33:43he just killed this woman
33:44in cold blood or whatever.
33:46Well now he's painted himself
33:47into a self-defense story
33:48so he's got to come up
33:49with an idea to make that
33:51seem sensible.
33:52You know I do believe
33:53that he was telling the truth here
33:54and he was justified
33:56in doing what he did.
33:59He comes off very credible.
34:01Sort of that grandpa nature of him.
34:04How do you go to sleep after that dude?
34:15Like just nonchalant
34:16you go mop the blood up
34:17and I went to sleep.
34:18I think it shows
34:19the callousness of it.
34:21You've been with this woman
34:2230 years.
34:23Rolls her off the roof
34:24goes and hides the body
34:25and comes back
34:26and just like in his own words
34:28go on about my business.
34:30Yeah.
34:30That's cold man.
34:31It is.
34:32That is so cold.
34:33It is.
34:34It's very telling.
34:38There was such a tumultuous
34:41relationship between the two of them.
34:42There's a powder keg
34:43ready to blow.
34:44He lays it out there
34:45enough to where
34:47it aligns with the
34:48self-defense
34:49justification defense.
34:50We felt confident
34:54that we had enough
34:55to plant
34:55a lot of doubt
34:56in the jury's mind
34:57for that murder charge.
34:59It was really worrisome
35:00because there's a risk
35:02of a hung jury.
35:04But even if they found
35:05that he was justified
35:06in killing her
35:07he definitely wasn't justified
35:08in moving her body
35:09throwing it off the roof
35:10and dumping it
35:11in that field.
35:13He had to clean it up
35:15before they catch me.
35:18So I got to dot my eyes
35:19and cross my T's.
35:22He missed a couple of eyes
35:23and didn't get all the T's.
35:26The evidence was so strong
35:27in this case
35:27for obstruction.
35:29There was no way
35:30a jury
35:30could not agree with that.
35:33I remember
35:34the prosecutor
35:35turning to me
35:35saying
35:36what are you going to do
35:37about the obstruction charge?
35:39And I remember
35:40just looking at him
35:40and being like
35:40I have something.
35:43Something we
35:43as the prosecution
35:44had to be able to face
35:45head on
35:46and prepare for.
35:48The defense attempted
35:49to use an intoxication defense
35:51claiming that Mr. Gibson
35:52didn't understand
35:53the nature of his actions.
35:55In Louisiana
35:56there's a
35:58justification defense
35:59of intoxication.
36:01But the issue
36:02with using that defense
36:03was that I had
36:04no evidence of it.
36:07There weren't any
36:07drug screens
36:08or blood tests
36:09taken when Mr. Gibson
36:10was apprehended.
36:11So I knew
36:12it was going to come down
36:13to Mr. Gibson's testimony.
36:16We had to call
36:16Mr. Gibson
36:17to the stand.
36:18But anytime
36:19your client takes
36:20the stand
36:20it's high risk.
36:32Day two
36:33of Seabon Gibson's trial.
36:35I was surprised
36:37to see Mr. Gibson
36:38take the stand
36:39because he did seem
36:40like an unpredictable
36:41witness.
36:43Everything he says
36:45everything he doesn't say
36:47how he says it
36:48is going to be weighed
36:49significantly by the jury.
36:51But I didn't have
36:53anything else
36:53in order to try
36:55and defend him
36:55from the charge
36:56of obstruction of justice.
36:58So in order to get
36:59that evidence
36:59of intoxication out
37:00the only thing I had
37:01was Mr. Gibson's memory.
37:02It was beneficial
37:06to the defense case
37:07that as he walked
37:09to take the stand
37:10you could see
37:11that this was
37:12an elderly man
37:13and it is
37:14certainly a difficult
37:15argument to make
37:16that this is
37:17in fact
37:18a cold-blooded killer.
37:19So I asked him
37:20Mr. Gibson
37:21were you intoxicated?
37:22Were you drunk
37:23at that time?
37:24He says
37:25I was feeling pretty good.
37:26I had drank enough
37:27to not know
37:28really what I'm doing.
37:29Then I asked him
37:29but when you realized
37:30that she had passed
37:31did you know
37:32what to do?
37:33He said no.
37:34I've never been
37:35into nothing like that.
37:36I don't know nothing.
37:37I was crazy myself.
37:38I didn't know
37:39which way to go
37:39up or down.
37:41He was acting delirious.
37:44Like he didn't know
37:45like he was incompetent.
37:47He played pitiful.
37:49The defendant
37:51definitely created
37:52a perception
37:53of someone
37:53who didn't understand
37:54what was going on.
37:56If they were successful
37:57with the intoxication defense
37:58we knew that he would
37:59be acquitted.
38:01And so it created
38:03another hurdle for us.
38:05But on the other hand
38:06we were thrilled
38:07to be able to question
38:07Mr. Gibson.
38:08Because we get to question
38:10him on his past.
38:11To kind of flip
38:13that narrative
38:13and show that it was
38:15in fact Mr. Gibson
38:16that had this pattern
38:17in his history.
38:18And we went and got
38:19those old police reports
38:20from the 90s
38:21and found out
38:21that once again
38:22this is another
38:22domestic situation
38:24where he attempted
38:24to kill someone else
38:25that he was in
38:26a relationship with.
38:27He has a prior conviction
38:28for attempted murder.
38:30You actually say
38:31were you defending yourself
38:32or did you just
38:33try and kill that woman?
38:34He says I wasn't
38:35trying to kill nobody.
38:36And then you said
38:37why did you plead guilty
38:38to attempted murder?
38:40And again he says
38:41he doesn't even remember.
38:42Right.
38:43Which is kind of like
38:43his theme throughout
38:44and everything is
38:45if I don't remember
38:46it it didn't really happen.
38:51The prosecutor
38:52opened old wounds
38:53that reveals
38:55the real C. Bond Gibson.
38:58You paint this
38:59she-devil over here
39:00but look at you.
39:01You won't get away
39:02this time.
39:03But it was
39:04a tale of two stories.
39:06And which story
39:07is the jury
39:07going to believe?
39:08Waiting for a verdict
39:16is gut-wrenching.
39:18Time kind of stands still.
39:20I was getting shocked
39:21when my anxiety levels
39:23were brought through the roof
39:24and I prayed.
39:26I said God
39:26I just didn't want justice.
39:30After seven hours
39:31of deliberation
39:32they were at a standstill.
39:36All 12 members
39:37of the jury believed
39:38that Mr. Gibson
39:39was guilty of something.
39:40There were no votes
39:41for not guilty
39:42but they could not
39:43come to a decision
39:44between murder
39:45and manslaughter.
39:47So ultimately
39:47that led to a hung jury.
39:50No.
39:53I couldn't understand it.
39:54I couldn't grasp it
39:55because the evidence
39:57was right that clear
39:58as they...
40:00But then
40:01the jury
40:02delivers their verdict
40:03on the second charge.
40:07They found him guilty
40:08as charged
40:09of the obstruction
40:09which carried up
40:10to 40 years.
40:12But the judge
40:13could have handed out
40:14a sentence of zero years
40:15and that would have been
40:16perfectly fine
40:17under the law.
40:19I do remember
40:20the judge
40:20addressing the defendant.
40:24He said
40:26you had no remorse
40:27for her
40:29her daughter
40:30or her grandchild.
40:32so I have no remorse
40:35for how I'm going
40:36to sentence you.
40:39He ended up giving
40:40Mr. Gibson 27 years.
40:42This is basically
40:44a life sentence.
40:44And yet
40:53C-Bahn
40:54could still be
40:55retried
40:56for murder.
40:57We had the option
40:58of either bringing
40:59the case back to trial
41:00or resolving it
41:01with some type
41:02of plea agreement.
41:03I didn't want to drag
41:04myself and my son
41:05through that pain
41:07so
41:08I took it.
41:09I took the plea deal
41:10to give Fanny to peace.
41:13I finally could
41:14breed again.
41:16I got justice.
41:25Domestic violence
41:26has no gender
41:28has no race.
41:29Don't be afraid
41:30to reach out.
41:32Speak in behalf
41:33of Fanny Elaine Gamble.
41:36We were able
41:37to give her some dignity.
41:39Her life mattered.
41:40I think we did right
41:41by Fanny.
41:41This is where
41:49Fanny from right here.
41:51Nine years
41:52after the trial.
41:53If I want to come
41:54and feel Fanny
41:54this is the spot
41:55where I come to right here.
41:57On this corner right here.
41:58It's from Eastwood.
41:59My mom was a wildflower.
42:02She just had her way
42:03with people.
42:05Everybody knows
42:06Fanny in this neighborhood.
42:08Hey,
42:08haunted palace.
42:09And everybody
42:11want to take
42:11a picture with her.
42:13Come in,
42:13Miss Fanny.
42:14How you doing,
42:14Miss Fanny?
42:15Whatever she got
42:16to say on her mind,
42:17it's going to come out.
42:18And this is Fanny
42:19getting down
42:20a happy soul.
42:22The charisma.
42:23And as you can see,
42:24it's her character.
42:25That's her character.
42:26That's how she lived
42:27her life.
42:28I still,
42:29to this day,
42:30can people
42:31ask me about Fanny.
42:32I miss her so much.
42:36That's my Fanny boot.
42:37Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
42:38Ha ha ha ha ha.
42:38Ha ha ha ha.
42:39Ha ha ha ha.
42:39Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
42:40Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
42:41Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
42:42Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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