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00:00St. Andrews, which by the way, we're so pumped about because also they have the best wings in
00:04the United States across the street. We had some people that literally ordered it for us
00:07and delivered it to another city for us. That's how much we love these wings.
00:12Rock, metal, prog, and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:19Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:24And now it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:28Last week, I talked to the guys from Nelson. This week, it's Set It Off. It's kind of like the same thing.
00:35It is?
00:37They're like, we don't know who Nelson is.
00:41You know who Nelson is?
00:42I'm not familiar personally. Are you guys?
00:44No.
00:44Nope. Whoops.
00:46Matthew and Gunnar Nelson, one of the biggest bands from the early 90s.
00:51We're 89 babies, so.
00:52I got it. I'm just teasing you guys. Look it up.
00:56Tempe, Arizona is where you're at tonight. This afternoon, I should say. And you're going to be
01:01here in Detroit coming up on Thanksgiving Eve. That's a big night.
01:06Oh, so excited, man. Detroit always goes hard. They always try to set the record for the most
01:09crowd surfers. It's insane.
01:12How many times have you guys come through here?
01:14Oh, God. We started touring in 2009.
01:18So quite a few times.
01:20Yeah.
01:20Like a lot.
01:22Yeah, I was just looking, too. You guys have played all the big festivals, right? The Danny
01:25Wimmer ones?
01:26Yeah, yeah. We started doing that recently, and they've been just amazing. Shout out to
01:30Danny Wimmer for, like, having us be a part of that. It's just so welcoming. The whole
01:33community is. But I was just thinking, your question back to how long we've been playing
01:36there, I just remembered our first show. When we were first starting out as a band, was in
01:40the Werner's Room in Pontiac at Crowfoot. And we were the after-party band for, was it
01:47Taste of Chaos? Or no, what was it?
01:49Take Action.
01:49Take Action Tour. So we were just a band playing in a corner while all the other bigger bands
01:54were celebrating their show they just played. And then from there, we kept, like, growing
01:59and playing the Pike Room, then the Eagle Foot Ballroom, you know, then St. Andrews, which,
02:04by the way, we're so pumped about. Also, they have the best wings in the United States
02:08across the street. Sweetwater Tavern. It's so funny you mention it, because when I met
02:14Ed Rollin one time from Collective Soul, like in, I don't know, it was at Louder Than Life,
02:19as a matter of fact.
02:20Oh, hell yeah.
02:20And he said, oh, yeah, you're in Detroit. He goes, now, I grew up in Buffalo, right? So
02:24it's like, I've been here since 1995, but I grew up in Buffalo, so I know a thing or two
02:27about wings.
02:28He's like, dude, he goes, yeah, the best wings are at the Sweetwater Tavern. It took me about
02:33a year and a half to finally get down there, but they do have the best wings.
02:36It's insane. Like, you wouldn't expect it. It's a small little place. I love it. They
02:41don't want to be making those wings for you, but they make them amazing every time.
02:45Why don't they want to be making them for you? I don't get it. What do you mean?
02:48So the first time I ever went, they just all wanted to be home. They were just like, what
02:52do you want? But we ordered the wings, and I was like, I don't know how it's going to
02:57go. Everyone says it's amazing. Truly the best wings I've ever had in my entire life.
03:01We had some people that literally ordered it for us and delivered it to another city for us.
03:06That's how much we love these wings.
03:08Wow. Wow. That is impressive. That's quite a stamp of approval there.
03:13It's in the touring community. It's known. The Sweetwater Tavern has got a name for itself.
03:18Yeah, no doubt. And I mean, I've been there. I've been to Legends next door. I don't know
03:21if you guys have been there.
03:23No, I haven't been to Legends. How is it?
03:25That's a strip club. So yeah, you know.
03:26Oh, how are the wings?
03:29How are the wings, dude?
03:30I don't know. My wife might see this, so I better stop talking about that.
03:37So anyways, what's going on in the band? You guys dropping records? Got all sorts of stuff
03:40happening, huh?
03:41Yeah, dude. In 2023, we decided we weren't going to sign to a label. And we started doing
03:45this on our own. And we honestly, we didn't know we were going to do an album. We just
03:49started writing music. And just with the intent of bringing it back to how it all started,
03:53just having fun, no expectations, no trying to become some big monster or anything. It was just,
03:58let's just go back to what we were initially, which was just writing songs for ourself.
04:02And the first song we wrote was Punching Bag. And we were like, okay, we might have something
04:06here, actually. So with our independent team, we found our radio guy, Bob, and we're like,
04:10hey, go see if people like this. And people did. And it's the first time we've ever been
04:15on the radio. Even when we were signed to two other labels before this, we never had radio
04:18success at all. So we're like, wow, this is crazy. And then other stations started paying
04:23attention. And the rock community started welcoming us with open arms, Danny Wimmer.
04:28And it just all started to take off in this way that we have, it's exceeded every single
04:33expectation. And so I just kept writing and kept writing and kept writing. And then we
04:38realized, you know, we, instead of just dropping singles, we do kind of have an album here.
04:41This all makes sense. It's cohesive. And so we put it all together and we decided because
04:46of how everything's kind of laying out and how much fun we're having and how much we just
04:51feel like it's the most authentic us we've ever been. That's why with album six, we decided
04:56to make that one our self-titled record. And so that just dropped what, like a week and
05:01a half, two weeks ago. Yeah. Really recently. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you just, you just
05:05said a lot. I'm going to try to unpack a little bit of this. So first of all, I'll ask two
05:10questions here. Did you guys feel like maybe the, the, the chains had come off after you
05:14got out of a record deal? And secondly, how hard was it to just say, we're just going to
05:20do it ourselves. So great question. So how did you feel about the change? Do you feel
05:26like it came after the record label? Yeah. I mean, we had talked a lot about kind of the,
05:31the direction, um, sonically and what kind of sound we wanted to do. Um, and we had noticed
05:38that whenever we played something a little heavier, whenever Cody wrote, when he was angrier,
05:44people really responded to that. Um, and also earlier in our career, when we were playing
05:50that kind of music, that's when we were having the most fun. So all those things considered,
05:56when we kind of sat down after our record, um, contract had ended, we talked about wanting
06:02to have fun again as a band. Um, I think it just made sense. It was just kind of the clear
06:07answer. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, you guys aren't the first band to ever, you
06:13know, leave a record label or whatever, and then start your own thing. I think Pop Roach
06:16has done it. And it's like, I talked to a lot of these bands that do this kind of stuff,
06:20but it's like, there's gotta be a lot of challenges. And why didn't you just at the,
06:23at one point go, you know what, let's just shop our stuff around and get another record
06:26label. We did. We started by doing that actually. We were like, there was other labels that were
06:30interested and we talked to them, we heard them out and, you know, we saw what percentages
06:35were looking like. And, you know, when you, when you're on a label for so long, and first
06:39of all, I will say like, you know, when we were starting out, we really needed it. We
06:43didn't have credit. We didn't have any way to make money to fund the dream that we have.
06:48So like with EVR, it was amazing with fearless. They went pretty well. And then, but after
06:52that, you know, we realized we have so much experience now. Like we, we understand how
06:58this machine works and we know how to make it work. When we, before we were on a label
07:01or anything, we were booking all of our own shows. We didn't have a booking agent. We had
07:05our van and trailer. It was just, it was just us. It was just hands on the wheel, literally
07:08just making this thing go. So it's always been in us. And we've always been told,
07:12that our persistence is one of our greatest strengths. And so I think once this, the label
07:17thing ended and we realized we met a distributor and that's really what we needed and that we
07:22would own the majority of our music for the first time ever. And that was obviously very
07:28appealing, but we don't want to just do that. And like, let's make money, but let's flounder,
07:31you know, like let's, we want to make sure we know exactly what we're doing. So before we
07:35really started hitting the ground running, we made sure every piece of the puzzle was in
07:38place to make this thing move. And, um, thank God we did because we're really happy with
07:44how it's going.
07:45Yeah. I was going to say, did you talk to anybody or consult anybody that had done this
07:49kind of thing before you?
07:51Yeah. Um, there's, uh, Trevor from our last night, they just did their last tour ever,
07:56which, which sucks, but I, they had, they had a very successful career, uh, but they've
08:00been independent for a long time and he's been preaching that to us for a minute. He's a very
08:04business savvy guy. And one of the few people I've seen in the music industry make money,
08:09you know? So like he's, he's been a close friend of ours. I've been asking him, did you
08:13talk to anybody individually?
08:15Yeah. I talked to Trevor from our last night as well. And, uh, yeah, we learned a lot from
08:19those people and taking the plunge was definitely scary at first, but then you start to learn
08:24pretty quickly that with a label that they, they get kind of bloated and there's so many people
08:29to point the finger at when something goes wrong. But now that it's us doing it, if something
08:34goes wrong, we can only point at ourselves and figure out how to handle the situation
08:39a lot faster.
08:40Yeah. Get to the root of the issue and then make sure it doesn't happen again.
08:44Yeah. I got to imagine starting from scratch like that, you know, you probably got to get
08:47an LLC and it's just, there's, there's probably lawyers involved and there's all this, this
08:51minutia that you probably didn't even expect. Right.
08:54Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I thought this was going to be, when you start off in your garage, you
08:58think it's going to be just playing songs and having a good time. And then you realize
09:02quickly when you were taking it seriously, this is a business. And yeah, you're right.
09:05Like LLC, well, business manager, lawyer, manager, booking agent, distributor. It's
09:12just all of these pieces of the puzzle that a lot of people I feel like that are, that
09:15are listening probably don't really think about it either. Like going behind the scenes with
09:18it. Cause a lot of people just think of, of us are just like, you go on stage, you play
09:22songs, you make money. That's it.
09:24It was shocking. The amount of Google meet calls. I'm in a band. Why do I have to be on a video
09:31call at 10 AM? This is wild.
09:34I know. I only got in this, this, this business to meet chicks.
09:40Yeah, I know, man. There's a lot of stuff that goes into it, but let's switch gears and
09:44talk about the record rottens out. Of course. Tell me about your mindset going into creating
09:49all these songs.
09:50Oh God, a lot. I'm just super pissed off.
09:54Where does that come from? I mean, you know, you're in a band.
09:57Oh, I'll tell you, it's all different situations. Like, um, I don't like dropping a name, so
10:03they'll know when it's about them, but, uh, with rotten in particular, this was kind of
10:07a frustration of about a lack of authenticity out in the world today. And whether it was
10:12like, you know, it can be the people you're seeing. And for like day to day basis, the,
10:15the internet in general, where you don't know anything you're reading is real or not. And,
10:19but also some people that I feel like are just completely inauthentic and sell a brand rather
10:25than themselves. And, um, I, I just don't resonate with that. And I don't like that people buy into
10:31it and get fooled by it. And so rotten is kind of like, you know, they're, they're selling you the
10:35sugar, but it's going to rock your, it's going to rock your teeth or watch out for the blade inside
10:39of that candy apple. You know, like, yeah, it looks sweet on the outside, but you might realize down
10:43the line, you're getting something that's not so sweet after all. And so Ron's kind of like
10:47my vent session about that. Um, we had a song we just dropped called pathological, which is about
10:52this friend I made, uh, who I thought was a close friend and through a mutual friend, I found out
10:57he was doing some pretty messed up stuff behind the scenes to me and to other people. Uh, and that
11:03moment I found that out, I immediately was like, I know what we're writing about today where I sat
11:08down laptop out and I just started writing all the rap moments and all, all the lyrics just started
11:12pouring out. I realized that though, like about me, it's like, you know, I don't bottle up
11:16happiness. I'm like when people, when we hang out, you know, I'm, I'm the happy go lucky golden
11:21retriever dude that just wants to play games and chill, you know, like, but, but my songs can be
11:25so angry because I, I, because I smile a lot. I think I attract people that want to take advantage
11:31of that. And I'm, I want to be a trusting person. I want to let people in. Sometimes I can find myself
11:37to be a people pleaser. Shout out punching bag. Um, but you do learn a lot through it. Like,
11:44especially in this industry, like you get hurt enough to really realize you got to put up a wall
11:48from time to time. But when I fail to put that wall up and I do get hurt, I have this to fall
11:53back on to, to get through it. So this has been a really like healthy album for me to kind of
11:58get through all the things that I have been going through and haven't been able to talk about for a
12:01while. Yeah. I was going to say like, it's therapeutic. Like I talked to a lot of bands,
12:05the same thing, you know? Uh, so when, when do all you guys chip in on the lyrics or, or just you,
12:10Cody or how's that work? It's me. Okay. Yeah. And did, do you ever consult, you know,
12:15do you ever, do you guys ever consult each other? You know, absolutely. Every time we get a demo,
12:19I send it to them right away. And we're very democratic band. Like there's a song I want
12:22on the record. They didn't like it as much. It didn't make it on the record. And, but I know
12:26that the reason why we feel that way is our brains are so similar and we all want the same thing.
12:30We all have the same goal. So if, if, if I'm outvoted, then there might be something that maybe
12:35I'm attaching to it that isn't what's better for the bigger picture and that we've always
12:40operated that way. We always look at the songs together. We try to see what's the best move,
12:43but luckily most of the songs were all a great fit. Yeah. And if the song sucks, we'll tell them,
12:48you know? Oh, they will. And then when he goes off and does his solo career, he'll just use them then.
12:56Like a lot of bands have. Oh, so many have. Yeah. So, so you guys are wrapping things up here for
13:012025. Well, what do you got to talk about for next year? What's, what's happening with you guys?
13:06Oh man, a ton of festivals already. We're going to be going overseas, uh, doing rock and ring
13:10festivals in Germany, um, download festival, UK, Europe. There's honestly, we were making a joke
13:16that we're, there were so many that we kept announcing that we're like, we're on that.
13:21It was just way too many. So if you're, if you're living overseas or want to make a trip over there
13:26for vacation for some crazy festivals in the summer, we'll be doing that. Currently stuff in the
13:30works for 2026, as far as touring goes in the States. But, uh, that's all we can announce at
13:35the moment is what's out there, but yeah, still running the record and proud of it.
13:40No, that's great. So I'll ask all of you guys this. I mean, when you started a band,
13:43uh, you know, well, let me back up. I grew up in a small town, like I said,
13:47and when I'm on a cruise and I'm somewhere like in Cozumel, like I can't even believe this.
13:51And you guys are playing over in Europe. What's that like, uh, for you guys?
13:55Oh dude, at first it was just cold. No, but, uh, it was this thing that's been building and
14:02building and building for the, like for over the years. Like first time we ever went over there,
14:05uh, we were supporting and the most recent support tour we did over there was, uh,
14:09supporting I prevail in Germany. And that changed everything for us in a big way. I feel like we
14:14really garnered a lot of their fans into, into our realm as well, but they're some of the craziest
14:20crowds ever, to be honest. Like I compared Detroit, uh, and, and the Boston mentality,
14:25cause you guys have like this grittiness to, to the city and like how the, how the crowd reacts
14:30to live shows to Scotland. Like Scotland is like also, there is actually a thing. Can I cuss on this?
14:37Go ahead.
14:37All right. So Scotland has this thing they do where they go, here we, here we, here we fucking go.
14:43So like, if you get them going during a song to a beat, they'll do it. And then we got Detroit
14:47to do that. And now I'm like, it feels like a second home. Anyway, I'm babbling, but yeah,
14:51it's fun over there, but you all got the same energy. So yeah, it's, it's really incredible.
14:57Well, you know, obviously the I prevail guys are buds cause they're from here. Right. And I
15:01remember, uh, Eric, when they were in Australia, uh, somebody threw a shoe up on stage and they
15:05wanted them to do a shoe. Have you done that yet? I haven't done a shoeie, but I got convinced by,
15:10uh, there was this game that these, uh, this band we were touring with that are like British people
15:14had all had a game where if you like rolled the dice and you got a certain number, I think it was
15:18something like that. I lost. So everybody's half drinking drinks went into my cup and then I had
15:23to chug it, but I think a shoeie might be worse. Yeah. That's shoeie. Yeah. That sounds disgusting
15:30too. I don't know. Are you a joke? Uh, not so much. No, I guess. Well, not really, but I mean,
15:38I've got kids and stuff, but it's like my fair share of germs, I suppose. But, uh, yeah,
15:43not like open mouth coughing. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. So what was it like touring with,
15:50uh, the guys from our, I prevail, you know, Dylan and Eric are friends. My other big hockey fans.
15:54We always text about hockey and stuff. Good. I, we love those guys. They've always been the
15:58sweetest to us since day one. Actually, last time I played download fest, um, Eric came over and we
16:03were just like, just having some whiskey and chatting and, um, they're just the homies, dude.
16:07They've always been really sweet to us. And I, it's nice to be able to say that a band that's doing so
16:10well that they're just genuinely good people. Um, because we've met some people that aren't and,
16:15uh, but I wouldn't say if I didn't meet it. So yeah, just nothing but love with those dudes and
16:19their, and their entire crew too, behind the scenes there, they're so efficient and just great guys.
16:24We got to share a bus with them as well. Um, but yeah, they, they treated everybody amazing on tour.
16:29Now you got, you guys seem to have a good, like, aura about you and stuff, but this is like,
16:34you know, the third or fourth time now you've talked about people that you've met that really
16:37weren't on the up and up. You seem to catch onto that, huh? Oh yeah. Well, we, we, I won't,
16:42I won't name a name, but there was a band we tore with back in the day that treated us like garbage,
16:46dude. Like, like truly did went out of their way to demean us and would just like insult us and try
16:53to twist the knife and like really get under our skin. And we had to like live in close quarters
16:57with them and it stuck with us. And, but that also reflected into, we realized who we didn't want
17:03to be, you know, like we, we supported, uh, headliners that have been very kind to us,
17:09like absolute sweethearts. We supported people that have been absolute dickheads. Uh, and we
17:14don't want to be on that side of the coin. We want to be on the good side. So whenever we're
17:17headlining, we have support with us, we do whatever we can to make sure they feel at home and they feel
17:21comfortable and happy. And that this feels like a team effort and a family because that's what it
17:25should be. You know, like we're all going for the hardest thing on the planet. Like we all are in an
17:30industry. That's very hard to succeed at. And the last thing you need is somebody else. Well,
17:34like cutting your legs out from under you and making you feel less than we should all be really
17:39working together because there is room for everybody and everybody needs to feel that.
17:42And so, yeah, we take pride in that. Yeah. I was going to say maybe because somebody treated you
17:47like that, you, you, it makes you a better person as well. Yeah. You need it. You honestly,
17:52sometimes you kind of need it to just realize what the barometer is. Yeah. What are some of the
17:57bands that treated you the best? I know, but that's okay. No, yeah. No, I prevail. All time
18:04low. Are they're incredible towards simple plan. Some of the nicest guys I've ever met in my
18:10entire life. Hollywood undead. Hollywood and dad, dude. Yeah. They are, there are homies
18:14now. Um, God, I'm blanking. Uh, what? Okay. Rock was great. Okay. Rock was great. Sim. Sim from
18:22Japan. They were great. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's, there's a lot of bad people in the
18:27industry, but there's so many, there's so many good ones. It's great. Yeah. I think in 35 years,
18:31I've been doing this. I've met more good people than bad people. Yeah, absolutely. You know,
18:36but the bad ones do stick with you. That's for sure. They stick with you.
18:41There's no doubt about it. I get, I get this question asked me all the time. Who are the biggest
18:44assholes you talk to? I'm like, you know, they're mostly pretty nice. So I have to,
18:47and that's good. Cause you don't want to talk to jerk offs all day long, you know? Yeah. I mean,
18:54we're all trying to have fun and just, you know, just be in this, uh, this rock world. Yeah,
18:58exactly. What turns you guys on to music? What, what, what was your gateway to, uh, to,
19:03to pick it up instruments? I think we're all different. What was yours? Uh, I just really
19:07fell in love with bands when I was younger. Um, like some 41, um, like way to bands like that. And,
19:15um, I just really wanted to play music live, do a performance and, uh, met some friends that also
19:21had the same interests and we just picked it up. We just started playing and, um, hope one,
19:27I think the biggest thing that we could do was we played a, like a school talent, uh, show and that
19:34was like, we fucking made it. Yeah. What about you? Uh, yeah, I feel, I mean, I started listening to
19:44Blink-182 and, um, through that got into drums, but I think a big thing about it was when I saw
19:49them up there, I went, these guys are cool. I want to be cool. I was very, so painfully uncool
19:57for so long. And the second I picked up a pair of sticks, I felt cool. All that wiped away. So,
20:04um, I felt like I was part of something, which was, which was wonderful.
20:06Yeah. For me, um, my parents were in a band when I was growing up. They, um, they did like a,
20:12like 70s, 60s cover band and they would play like in different areas of the States. Like they play
20:17in Hershey park, like inside the theme park for like a week, every summer. So me and my sister
20:21would go and we'd watch it play like three sets for a day, but they would always try to involve
20:25us. Uh, and so like, I've at first, like I wanted to play drums on the, on, on their drummer's kit
20:31during their sound check, but I ended up playing clarinet because my grandfather played and he gave me my
20:36first lesson. And so that ended up being my trajectory. Uh, so I didn't, I did like a couple
20:42of bands in high school and I fell in love with it. But then they were like, listen, the real career
20:47path where you're going to make money is the clarinet thing, because I got pretty good at it.
20:50And like, I've won like all state and like made like second chair in the state of Florida and stuff
20:54like that. Won some scholarships. I went to a music conservatory in Oberlin and I was miserable.
20:59Like I, I missed being in a band. Like I, like, and also I saw that it's just as more,
21:04it's just as difficult to make it in an orchestra. There's two clarinet players in every orchestra.
21:08You have to, that person has to retire or die. And then once that slot opens up, every clarinet
21:13player in the world has the forum and they all go to whichever organization it is. And then there's
21:19politics on top of that. So I'm like, if I'm going to risk doing what I love and it's going to be very
21:23difficult to make it, I'm going to go for the one that makes me the happiest. And my parents gave me
21:28their blessing to take a year off of college after they saw, actually speaking of all time low,
21:33he let me sing on stage with them. Uh, while I was just in college, I was like, I bought my ticket.
21:37I'm a fan. Can I sing this song with you? And he's like, yeah, just brought me up on stage. I sang a
21:42song first time ever being a front man. And I got the bug dude. And I, my dad saw the video. He, um,
21:48if you want the real, real story of it, he was battling cancer at the time. And I tried to drop out
21:53a week before that. And he was like, no, no, you need to stick with this. He got so upset. He had to go
21:59take a walk around the block. And that was like a lot. So it was like, nevermind, tell dad,
22:04I'll stick with it. Video comes out. He sees it. He's beaming. Cause he, he knows that I can't help
22:11but follow in his footsteps. Cause he did the same thing. He went to Berkeley, dropped out,
22:15started touring in a band, met my mom. They started doing their thing. But anyway, they told me to take
22:20a year off, uh, called Zach. We started this band. We got max involved and we've been a family ever
22:25since, man. We've been chugging away, just doing this cause we love it. And it's been great.
22:29How's your dad. He passed away one week after, after accepting my dream, one week after telling
22:35me to take a year off. I didn't even finish my semester. I came, I flew right home and we just
22:40started working on the band. Hmm. Your dad went to Berkeley, eh? Yeah, he did. He's a monster trumpet
22:45player. Wow. Yeah. I'm going to see a JD from a black labeled sign. I believe he went there too.
22:51No way. Did he, what'd he play? He's a bass player. I don't know if it was like only big
22:56band stuff or whatnot. No, my friend Rob DeLuca from the band spread Eagle, the bass player. He
23:01went to a Berkeley, uh, you know, um, I think, uh, uh, what's his name from Testament. Um,
23:06I can't think of his name off the top of my head. Anyways. Uh, yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't,
23:11I'm not sure about their history, but, uh, sorry to hear it. Like a joke about that. It's
23:15like the, usually you, if you're going to end up doing something, you drop out of Berkeley.
23:22Well, Berkeley's was never in my, in my path. That's for sure. But I'm sorry to hear about
23:28your dad. I lost my mom in 1992, just a couple of years into my career. And it's like, you
23:32know, um, you know, same type of a situation, but, uh, yeah, they're always with you.
23:37They're always with you. And it always fuels you. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, we'll let
23:42you guys go here, set it off, coming to St. Andrew's hall, coming up on the 26.
23:45If I'm not mistaken, that is Thanksgiving Eve, correct? It is day before Thanksgiving.
23:50Okay. I'm going to be out of town, but, uh, what are you guys doing for Thanksgiving?
23:54So we're trying to find an Airbnb. And like I said about the family element, the whole
23:58tour is trying to get together. We're all trying to cook for each other and have like
24:01a friend's giving with the tour package at some, some house. That's the goal.
24:06When's your last date for the year?
24:07Uh, December 10th.
24:10And then that's it till, uh, till the new year, eh?
24:13Till the new year. Yeah.
24:14That's a cool gig you guys got, man. I loved it.
24:17We're pretty stoked, man.
24:18These bands got it down like three weeks before the new year, pick it up in February. You
24:23know, regular people can't do that. I have to go to work every day.
24:25Yeah, dude, we have to sleep desperately.
24:30I'm sure. Well, enjoy your time here in Detroit. Happy Thanksgiving. And of course, uh, have
24:33some, uh, great wings over at Sweetwater Tavern.
24:36You know, we will, man. Thank you so much for having us.
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