Qayadat e Nabvi ﷺ Episode 16
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00:00A'udhu Billahi Minash Shaitan Ar-Rajim
00:26Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim
00:27Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen
00:29Allahumma Salli Alaa Sayyidina Muhammad wa Barak wa Sallam
00:32I'm absolutely thrilled to bring you a series of episodes
00:36focusing on Sira, Science, and Leadership.
00:41Over the last many years, there's been an extensive amount of research done
00:44on the mindset, behaviors, attitudes of leaders,
00:49which allow them to tap into those energy levels, resources,
00:54as well as skill sets which allow them to thrive.
00:57What is the difference between average and awesome?
01:01When it comes to employeeship, when it comes to teamship, and definitely leadership.
01:06Over the last few weeks and months, we've been exploring various models and frameworks of leadership,
01:13looking at what are some of the ways in which leaders can help their teams and their organizations thrive in times of change.
01:20As volatility and uncertainty rises in the world, what allows a leader to make the most out of the resources that he or she have at their disposal?
01:29As we have mentioned before, across many researchers, many different frameworks studied,
01:36some of the work done by Karen Armstrong, Martin Lings, Martin Lekker, Professor Joel Hayward, amongst many others,
01:44say that the most comprehensive, holistic model of leadership that they have studied
01:48come from the Sira of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
01:53As we explore leadership, we would like to study various aspects of what goes into being an effective leader.
02:02The last few years have allowed neuroscience to thrive and neuroscience to become a part of understanding what makes a leader tick.
02:12Of course, neuroscience is a massive subject, and we're delighted to have Danilo Simone with us.
02:18His work on understanding the psychology of leadership, behavioral attributes, motivators of leadership,
02:26will give us a very deep insight into understanding what are some of those key things that leaders must have in the time we go into,
02:35in the time that we live in, and we will be encountering in the years and decades ahead.
02:40Of course, we have Sheikh Belal Essan with us as well.
02:42Sheikh Belal, over the last few episodes, has given us numerous examples from the Sira of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam,
02:50which testify his, which demonstrate his teachings and learnings when it comes to various aspects of leadership development.
02:58Danilo Simone, Sheikh Belal Essan, welcome to the show.
03:03Danilo, we've discussed in numerous conferences, platforms around the world, various aspects of leadership.
03:10We know that participative leadership, servant leadership, emotionally intelligent leadership are widely studied all over the world.
03:18In your 30 years of academic experience, and then in the corporate and the training room,
03:24what have you understood are, what do you understand to be some of those key fundamental attributes that make great leadership happen?
03:33I would say that leadership is really about the person of the leader.
03:39So we have many, many models, many leadership models.
03:44We have many skills related to leadership, but at the very end of the day, what really counts is the person that is behind those deeds,
03:54those behaviors, those actions.
03:56So when it comes to leadership, it's not enough what you do, it is more what you are.
04:05There are four main dimensions that really have an impact on who you are.
04:12The first one we say is our biological dimension.
04:16It's what we can call the body set.
04:18It's how a leader is able to transform his biological energy into action, into execution.
04:30The way the leader learns how to transform this energy through their body.
04:39And this is so important because this body set is neglected or it is in some way not at the center of the intention of the leader.
04:54What happens is the other intelligences, the other qualities, the other setting that we are going to explore right now,
05:03they do not have enough energy to work.
05:06So when we need our cognitive or rational intelligence, when we need our creativity, when we need our emotional intelligence,
05:16at the very end we need this basic energy that is provided by our body.
05:22So taking care of our body is one of our key aspects.
05:27Not because we want our body to be seen or we need to be an athlete, even though sometimes leaders are organizational athletes.
05:36Corporate athlete.
05:37Corporate athlete, definitely, definitely.
05:40But because you have the focus to really foster your energy in order to use it when you really need it.
05:47If you don't do that, then it's random.
05:51Sometimes you have enough, sometimes you don't have.
05:55So from average to great, well, body set plays a major role.
06:05Then there's a second dimension that we may call the heart set.
06:10So this is the emotional dimension.
06:12Heart set is so important.
06:15So if body set is connected to action and execution, heart set is related to relationship,
06:22to creating engaged teams, to creating the trust, the enthusiasm.
06:31So the leader sets the emotional state of the organization through a process of resonance.
06:38So the way the leader deals with its own emotion, this is so, so, so relevant.
06:45And there are at least two different levels in the heart set.
06:50This is what we can call a gut emotional intelligence.
06:54So how we can use our emotional intelligence to really feel what is happening inside of us.
07:04So the primal emotional reaction, such as anger, fear, and it's even more evolved.
07:19So the very basic emotional reaction, how we deal with them plays a big role in the creation of this emotional state.
07:29So gut emotional intelligence need to be understood, need to be fed by the leader.
07:38Then there's a heart intelligence.
07:41The heart intelligence plays an incredible role in the ability of the leader of creating a we culture.
07:48So gut emotional intelligence is related to the me, how into the I, how am I reacting to this situation and what I do with this reaction.
07:59Heart intelligence is how am I able to really connect what I'm feeling to something bigger, something more important.
08:08So it's not focused on the I, it's not focused on the ego, it's focused on the we.
08:12It's really what allows this transformation and the way the leader takes care of the we that determines the emotional state within the organization.
08:22There's a third level, third dimension.
08:25There's the mental dimension.
08:26We are quite familiar with that because usually leadership has been kind of linked with this ability to use our mind to determine strategies.
08:37Decision making, risk management.
08:39Exactly.
08:40All that organization, time management, that kind of level.
08:45That is perfectly fine.
08:47Then again, the way we use our mind is impacted by our behaviors and I would say our schedule, the way we live our life.
09:02What is really important here is this ability of the leader to have like a clear, empty mind.
09:11A mind that is not polluted with bias, conditioning, aspect of personality that are not well known.
09:23I would say a mind that is not affected by the shadow of the leader.
09:29That's why knowing your own personality is one of the most important thing that you have to do when you are a leader.
09:35If you don't know your personality, you don't know how you see reality, how you interpret reality through the lenses of personality.
09:44We don't see reality as it is.
09:45It's a reality as we are, of course, so we have to be aware of the lenses that we are using.
09:53So a mind that is clean, in that sense, is a mind that is able to use creative intelligence, intuitive intelligence, cognitive intelligence in a completely different way.
10:09And then the four dimensions probably is the most important dimension, and we'll see that it's related to some aspects of the emotional intelligence, such that the heart intelligence is the soul set.
10:22For many years, talking about soul set and spiritual intelligence within the organization was quite impossible.
10:30Now it's becoming more and more accepted because it's just clear the importance of the vision, of the purpose, of the mission, and part of the work of the leader, of course, is to relate.
10:46It's not to create a vision, but to have access to a vision and to inspire people to a vision.
10:52So how can you do that using your mental intelligence or your cognitive intelligence?
10:57It's not the work of mental intelligence.
11:00It's the work of higher intelligences.
11:03So this ability to connect with a possible future, this ability to connect with a higher source,
11:12and a higher level of comprehension of reality that is not an aspect of our cognitive intelligence report.
11:23So part of the work of the leader is really to feed, to nurture, to nourish that aspect, because it will give access to resources that otherwise you won't be accessed.
11:39And those four dimensions, so the body set, the heart set, the mind set, and the soul set, that at the individual level are all intertwined, are all connected together,
11:53are related to four dimensions of leadership expression.
11:56There is execution, trust and engagement, strategy and, let's say, organization, and vision and purpose.
12:05And at organizational level, when the vision is harmonized, is connected to the execution, then every single action within the organization contributes to the purpose.
12:20And at individual level, when every single behavior is related to your, like, spiritual life, then everything have a different meaning, have a different connotation.
12:40We've learned from Dr. Danilo Simone, all of those aspects which go into forming the foundations of fantastic, effective, and great leadership.
12:51It's a balance. It's harmony.
12:54What better balance and harmony can we find than in the seerah leadership of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam?
13:01When we come back from the break, we'll go deep dive into looking at how our Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam personified heart set, body set, soul set, and of course, heart set.
13:12We'll see you after the break.
13:14Welcome back.
13:15Before the break, we discussed various aspects of energy, the energy with which leaders can thrive in times of change, in times of uncertainty, and allow their organizations or people that they work with to become the best versions of themselves.
13:30Of course, we know our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam allowed people to become the best versions of themselves.
13:36These leaders then went on to transform thousands, millions of lives, and of course, their lessons continue until today.
13:45Sheikh Bilal Esn, welcome back.
13:47Thank you very much, Omar.
13:48Sheikh Bilal, we've been discussing leadership, various aspects of leadership.
13:53Would you say that our Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, when it comes to leadership, personified all of those various aspects that Dr. Danilo Simone has spoken about?
14:01Na ahmadahu wa nasalli ala rasulihil kareem, Allahumma salli ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa ala alihi Sayyidina Muhammad wa barik wa sallam.
14:11Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-Ala, He is the creator of all of us.
14:18When he created humans, he created them as the best of his creations.
14:23Of all the things, of all the beings that he has created, he created humans as the superior among everybody else.
14:31And hence, we were given the title of Ashraf al-Makhlukat.
14:36And then for the humans, there had to be a role model, which had to be the perfect example of what the maximum potential a human being can achieve.
14:47In all aspects of being a human, be it the human body, the best way it can be used.
14:55Be it the emotions that a human emit, and the emotions that affect everybody around that human being.
15:02Be it the way that human thinks, the clarity of thought, the ability to take decisions in the toughest of circumstances.
15:12The ability to transform an emotional crunch into an analytical thinking.
15:18Or, be it having a clear vision.
15:21And then, not only having a clear vision, but the capacity to live through to achieve that vision.
15:28To stick to that vision, no matter what the surrounding circumstances are.
15:34That model had to be given, or presented to the people, so that they can then emulate, learn and follow.
15:44And that model is the life of our beloved Prophet ﷺ.
15:51It was very thought-provoking what Dr. Danilo just shared.
15:58And I'm very inspired to hear that now our science is catching up with all these breakups of what the human capacity as a leader can be or should be.
16:13But subhanAllah, 1400 years ago, when there was no such science to define four dimensions of leadership, for there to be a body set, a heart set, a mind set and a soul set.
16:29There was just one individual who, in his day-to-day dealing, in a very simplistic life that he was leading, in a very small group of people who he started with to lead, which then turned into a huge nation in itself.
16:44He showed all aspects and many more that the science has yet to learn through his profound leadership.
16:56One of the aspects, Sheikh Belal, we've studied and Dr. Danilo mentioned this ability to work and inspire others.
17:03That began with the understanding of one's own emotions, own strength, and then, of course, to be able to recognize the strengths of others.
17:10Of course, there are aspects of forgiveness, empathy, listening, trust-building that went into this heart set.
17:18Of course, strategic thinking, which we've spoken about many times, and in this series we'll continue to talk about the incredible strategic thinking of our beloved Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.
17:28We know that everything from the Astur Madinah, to then the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, all the way to Fatah Makkah, and all the Ghazwat and all the things that we study,
17:38there's clear signposts of strategic thinking that we see all across his life.
17:43And then, of course, there's the spiritual dimension as well.
17:46I'm curious, Sheikh Belal, in your study, in various aspects, what would you say are some of the things our Prophet ﷺ allowed his people to become?
17:55We know, for example, that if somebody had an opinion and our Prophet ﷺ had already made a decision on something,
18:03of course, he was the leader of all leaders, but yet the humility with which he was able to listen to people
18:10and to be able to allow his people to give them advice and mashwara, and sometimes this mashwara worked, as we have numerous examples.
18:20What would you say, Sheikh Belal, are these the aspects of leadership that you study in the seat of our beloved Prophet?
18:26This and many, many more examples.
18:29So the essence of Rasulullah ﷺ's leadership was him being a humble soul.
18:36He, throughout, whilst there was a clear understanding among the Sahaba ﷺ that Rasulullah ﷺ is the Prophet of Allah,
18:47he receives divine revelation from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that tells him what needs to be done and what does not need to be,
18:55at the same time Rasulullah ﷺ kept on emphasizing that he is just a human being.
19:07One example that is coming into mind right now was a Sahabi in the Battle of Badr.
19:12And this is, the reason I am giving this is because this continues into certain time afterwards as well,
19:20and it just goes to show how Rasulullah ﷺ was consistent.
19:22So this Sahabi, Sayyidina Hubeib radiallahu ta'ala anahu,
19:27when Rasulullah ﷺ reached the battle ground, he decided that this is where we will set up our camps.
19:36So Sayyidina Hubeib radiallahu ta'ala anahu, he came to Rasulullah ﷺ and he said,
19:41Ya Rasulullah, is this something that you have decided on your own?
19:45Or have you been guided divinely that this is where we should be?
19:50Now, Rasulullah ﷺ, any other leader would have gotten offended that, you know,
19:55are you trying to say that there is a difference between us and me?
19:58But Rasulullah ﷺ did not. He very openly said that this is my own decision.
20:03And then the Sahabi, knowing that Rasulullah ﷺ would be open to and he welcomes the suggestions of others,
20:10openly said that Ya Rasulullah ﷺ, in my opinion, if we move our camps from this place closer to the wells,
20:21we will not only be able to cut the water supply, we will be more strategically placed to carry out an attack.
20:28Rasulullah ﷺ welcomed his suggestion, moved the camps closer to the wells and that proved as effective
20:37because they managed to cut the water supply and were in a better position to attack.
20:43Now the reason I am giving this example is that this is not where it ended.
20:47This was Badr. And then six years after, in the Battle of Taif, the same Sahabi,
20:56he suggested again to Rasulullah ﷺ that Ya Rasulullah, I believe that we should position our forces in this and this manner.
21:04Now, one could say that in Battle of Badr, this was the first battle that the Muslims were about to carry out.
21:11Perhaps Rasulullah ﷺ's military leadership wasn't as polished and therefore, you know, he took the advice of one of his soldiers.
21:21and now six years down the lane when he has done so many battles, have conquered Makkah already,
21:28he would be, you know, very, he would be offended that now somebody is coming and giving me a suggestion.
21:33No, Rasulullah ﷺ was equally open, took the suggestion as it was given and praised the Sahabi for what he gave.
21:43So that's just a very small example of how Rasulullah ﷺ was always open to and consultative and managed the emotions very effectively.
21:54Dr. Samoni, of course, when we look at the ability of leaders to be able to gain from the knowledge and from the energy of those that surround them,
22:02you've studied leadership for years. Would you believe that these traits are exceptional for leaders to have?
22:08It allows them to be so much more than themselves when they take the participative, inclusive approach.
22:15I mean, this is one of the big shift that it's happening in leadership.
22:20We were used to have in the corporate world leaders that were defined strong by the strength of their ego.
22:30And when you have a strong ego in the sense that you need to defend yourself, to defend your role, to defend your position,
22:42well, the examples that Sheik Bilal just gave us couldn't be there, couldn't apply,
22:50because you wouldn't accept the advice or anybody else just because that would threaten your position, would threaten your ego.
23:02So what is happening is organizations all over the world are looking for more and more for leaders that are able to go beyond their ego.
23:15And that's why the access to a certain level of emotional intelligence and certain levels of spiritual intelligence is so important,
23:24because without those levels, without those intelligences, it is very hard to go beyond your ego that will in some way resist.
23:36So now the point is, how can you do that? How can you really nurture and nourish those levels of intelligence in order to reach that point?
23:46As we continue these series of discussions, we'll go deep dive into psychology, into neuroscience,
23:54all of those various aspects which are playing a bigger and bigger role in leadership and personal development.
24:00Of course, CIRA, science and leadership is at the heart of transforming not only an individual, whoever is listening,
24:10but also for them to be able to influence their family, their friends, their organizations as managers and leaders,
24:18so it can just change the way we work, the environment with which we operate in,
24:23and of course allow us to thrive as individuals, as families, and as an Ummah.
24:28We look forward to our next episodes, where we go deep dive into body set, heart set, soul set, and mindset,
24:37with an understanding of how this is all linked to leadership and CIRA.
24:41As-Salaam-Alaikum.
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