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Melissa Donnelly is the National Secretary at the Community Public Sector Union which represents staff at the CSIRO. She says the job losses will have a big impact.

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00:00We're talking about very significant cuts to the CSIRO and that's going to have really
00:06significant implications for the future of our key scientific agency and its capacity
00:13moving forward. This announcement today of 300 job cuts comes on the back of over 800
00:18that have already been cut and to be honest this represents worse cuts than we saw under
00:23the Abbott government. What about the Minister Tim Eyre's statement on this today saying
00:28the CSIRO will be exiting or scaling back on research in areas where work is being undertaken
00:33by other parts of the R&D system and building the foundation for strengthening and focusing
00:38effort in areas of national industrial science priority, kind of describing it as a bit of
00:44a repositioning. Look, when you have over a thousand jobs going from an institution like
00:49the CSIRO, this is not just a restructure or reprioritisation. These are very significant
00:55cuts and it's going to have impact on our capacity moving forward, which has implications
01:00for farmers, for our future scientific capacity, for innovation in a whole range of areas. These
01:07are really significant cuts. We've already seen cuts in biosecurity, in health, in food,
01:12in agriculture, in digital research and now we're going to see more and that is going to
01:17have implications. This is not just a restructure.
01:19And as you understand it, are they all research jobs going or a mix of jobs?
01:26Well, we've already seen 400 jobs go in science support areas. What we've seen most recently,
01:33including with this announcement and what has happened over the last few months,
01:36is the cuts really digging deep into key research areas, whether that's health and biosecurity,
01:42whether it's digital work, whether it's food and agriculture,
01:47they are scientific jobs that it will be going. And even the support jobs that went earlier in
01:52this process have implications for the work of our scientists because they, as the name suggests,
01:58support the work of our scientists and their scientific endeavours.
02:02The Albanese government over the years has talked up the importance of science being central to
02:08Australia's capacity to deal with the challenges facing the world. Is its rhetoric being backed up by
02:14adequate funding for the sector or not?
02:18Oh, absolutely. The announcement today demonstrates that there is not adequate funding for the CSIRO.
02:23These job cuts are a result of inadequate funding for our key scientific institution,
02:30and it's going to have long-term implications. We can talk about productivity,
02:34we can talk about driving innovation as a nation, but the CSIRO has to be part of that equation.
02:40It is a world-leading scientific institution, and the Albanese government should be backing it.
02:46What has happened with funding to the CSIRO over the years,
02:50and to what extent does it have to be increased in the coming years?
02:55Well, there's a couple of things that have happened with CSIRO funding. It hasn't kept up
02:59in real terms with the needs of the organisation, and there is significant capital expenditure as well
03:07that's required in the CSIRO. Either way, it is up to the government to deliver the funding for the CSIRO,
03:14and what we have with today's announcements is hundreds of more public sector scientists
03:20who have dedicated their life to this work, uncertain if they have a job going into the Christmas season.
03:25of course, we have an actual recommendations, of course.
03:28This is a very important one, and this is a vitalCEСm is a forsaken,
03:28and this is a fundamental question, and as important as well as the CSIRO,
03:30we've had a lot of other systems in the CSIROK,
03:34and the CSIROK down to the CSIRO.
03:35We've had a lot of life for the new CSIRO.
03:36It was a great deal.
03:37We've had a lot of conversations with CSIRO.
03:39We've been doing this too many things.
03:40We've had a very long time-term of CSIRO.
03:40We've had a lot of the new CSIROK.
03:42where we've had a lot ofları process, and we move around here.
03:43We've had a lot of the same questions,
03:45and we may have a lot of other people in our CSIROK.
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