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00:00This was a cold and calculated murder.
00:16There's always a breaking point in an investigation.
00:24The timeline of events didn't add up.
00:30It was crucial we supported our family contact.
00:49The attack was ferocious.
00:54Everyone was shocked.
00:56Everybody.
00:57And he suffered over 20 injuries to his body.
01:04There were injuries which cut into his bones.
01:09Multiple, multiple injuries.
01:11One that went into his lung, caused such severe damage, ultimately caused his death.
01:16I'd certainly never, ever seen anything like it.
01:21I can't describe that feeling.
01:26It's awful.
01:27No words for it.
01:29There's just no words for the pain.
01:31I first met Pauline Hickey around three days after the murder of her 16-year-old son, Hany Hakim Abu El-Kihir.
01:53From that moment on, I became point of contact in a murder investigation.
01:57My name is Paula Marshall.
01:59I'm a former police family liaison officer, usually referred to as a flow with the Metropolitan Police.
02:06The role of a family liaison officer is so important.
02:12The relationship that you have can make such a difference to the investigation, but also to the family.
02:21They have to have trust that you're going to be doing the job, because at the end of the day, they're never going to get their loved one back.
02:27And the only thing you can do for them is to hopefully get them justice.
02:42My phone rang during the early hours of 28th of January 2013, and my boss informed me that a 16-year-old boy had been stabbed to death.
02:52My name is Neil Atwell.
02:56I'm a former senior investigating officer, also known as an SIO, from the Metropolitan Police Service.
03:04The London Ambulance Service arrived quickly at the scene in Pimlico, and they were met with the victim who was lying on the floor, clearly seriously injured.
03:17The victim was then moved to King's College Hospital, but sadly he died just about two hours after the attack happened.
03:32Every single murder case that I dealt with was focused on the victim and the victim's family.
03:40They are the most important people at the heart of every murder case.
03:44the family liaison officer is one of the first roles that is allocated.
03:46Hello?
03:46Hello?
03:47Oh hello DCI Atwell.
03:49So deploying a family liaison officer is one of the first roles that is allocated.
03:55There's been a stabbing.
03:57Yes sir, I'll be there straight away.
04:00Family liaison officer is a huge responsibility.
04:05So Paula played a key role in communication with the family.
04:11To have contact with their family and to kind of, like I say, quite a privilege to be able to help, to be able to give them some answers, to be able to facilitate the road ahead.
04:28Yeah, I think it's absolutely vital.
04:35So the murder took place in Looper Street in southwest London.
04:39There was still blood there at the scene. There was a paraphernalia from the ambulance. There was items of clothing. Obviously, a serious assault had occurred there.
04:50Witnesses described a gang of youths who were over ten in number, all armed with a variety of weapons described as knives, machetes.
05:02And they described that gang chasing the victim who fell to the floor. And as he fell to the floor, he was viciously attacked by the gang.
05:13The attack was ferocious. Nobody had ever seen anything like it. Everyone was shocked. Everybody, every officer. I'd certainly never, ever seen anything like it.
05:29The first steps are to preserve as much evidence within those very early stages as we can.
05:38Anything and everything that you can in order to try and find out what has actually happened. Because once it's gone, it's gone.
05:45The crime scenes that we had stretched over many, many streets. There was an awful lot of work to be done.
05:57Initially, with a forensic officer, we walked that scene. What you're looking for is other evidential opportunities. Is there witnesses? Are there weapons discarded?
06:09We found a number of bladed weapons that have been hidden in a drain close to where the attack happened.
06:17Knives, large knives, meat cleavers. So they were very quickly collected, packaged to preserve evidence and submitted to the forensic laboratories for examination.
06:30So there was the attack site where the victim was attacked. But then there was an escape route, um, which had a blood trail that led from the attack site through a number of streets over quite a long distance up towards Victoria Station.
06:48We realised it wasn't, couldn't have been Hannie's blood.
06:51There was a good chance that one or some of the suspects had cut themselves during that attack.
06:57With ten men armed with a variety of weapons, knives, meat cleavers, sword, etc., that they had actually, in their frenzy, had actually hit each other.
07:11So that blood trail, for me, was absolutely key because it gave us a, a really good opportunity of identifying who was responsible.
07:23Swabs from that blood trail were submitted to the forensic labs, um, to try and identify who that blood came from.
07:29Local police, who know the area and, and knew people, informed us that the victim was a young boy called Hannie Abu El-Kahia, who was just 16.
07:43He lived nearby. His mother was literally around the corner and had attended the scene.
07:49The 27th of January, 2013, uh, I was in, cleaning Hannie's room, typically a little teenager, pick up his clothes and things like that, generally what, you, what mothers do.
08:06My name is Pauline Hickey and I am the mother of Hannie Hisham Abu El-Kahia.
08:12I looked at my phone and there was a message. It was like, I think Hannie's in trouble, um, you need to go and see.
08:19So, I just remember slapping on my coat and running out the door.
08:24I didn't even wait for the lift. On the 7th floor, I just ran down the stairs, ran around the corner.
08:29She lived very close by, uh, to where Hannie was attacked.
08:33And she ran to the scene and obviously tried to get to her son, to see her son.
08:39I came across all this tape and I was like, it was cordoned up and I was like, what?
08:45And then I tried to get to him and the police wouldn't allow me to go to him.
08:48Which must have been really distressing for her, um, not being able to get to her son at the time that he probably needed her the most.
08:56I can't go down to my child's side of the road to comfort him.
09:00That's what Hannie would try and do. You want to go down and comfort your child if he's injured.
09:05So, I was screaming his name.
09:07So, he knew I was there.
09:08And hopefully he could hear and know that, you know, mommy's here, don't worry.
09:12I'm right there, don't you worry.
09:16Hannie was taken to King's College Hospital.
09:19And Pauline followed along whilst they were trying to save his life.
09:22I remember her going so fast through the streets.
09:25Um, and I was really kind of, like, scared of how fast we were going.
09:31But I just couldn't take my eyes off the ambulance behind.
09:35And I couldn't all the way there until we got to the hospital.
09:38And my brother phoned me, Paul, and said,
09:42Oh, look, you'll be all right.
09:44And I was going, I don't feel him anymore.
09:47And he goes, don't be stupid.
09:49I said, no, I don't feel him anymore.
09:54I can't feel him.
09:56He goes, then shortly after that, I remember going inside and they said he's gone.
10:01I can't describe that feeling.
10:06It's awful.
10:07It's indescribable.
10:09It's like somebody's ripped out your guts, your heart.
10:13No words for it.
10:15There's just no words for the pain.
10:23Hannie wasn't known to the police.
10:26He was not known to be involved in any gangs.
10:30He was not known to be in any trouble whatsoever.
10:34The estate was renowned for drugs and drug dealing.
10:39There is a lot of crime.
10:41It's very, very easy to get dragged into that world really unwittingly.
10:47He mixed with the people that were on that estate.
10:49But, um, no, there was no suggestion at all that Hannie was involved in gangs or drugs.
11:00Nothing could justify the violence that they rained down on that child.
11:06It was phenomenal.
11:08I need to know why the Roma child love his future.
11:12At that very early stage, the reason for the attack, the motive for the attack, was very much unknown to us.
11:19The major challenge was firstly to identify a large group of youths involved in an attack.
11:34Um, piecing together the various different parts of evidence from CCTV to forensics and witnesses and then proving that actually those individuals were responsible for attacking Hannie.
11:49Those closest to the victim, which is normally the family, are those that can give us the best information about that person that's lost their life.
11:58Um, and the family liaison officer is that person that goes into the family, um, and investigates and builds up a picture of who the victim is, who their friends were, what their lifestyle was like.
12:13So that is all really crucial information, right at the start of any murder investigation.
12:23I first met Pauline, Hannie's mum, at her home address.
12:30She was so...
12:33I don't know if devastated covers it, quite frankly.
12:36She just appeared to be holding it together, but she missed nothing.
12:45I met Pauline, she came with, um, a police officer at Atwell as well.
12:52They were very nice, us, very impotent-y.
12:56You need to be able to have a family trust you,
12:59because there is nothing worse, I think, than family, you know, losing trust with police.
13:05One thing that resonates is, as Mr. Atwell said, um,
13:10in all his years, that was the worst he's ever seen, the murder.
13:16The word in the little and what happened, which meant a lot as well.
13:21You want to give that family the confidence that you will find out what's happened,
13:25that you will get justice and closure for them.
13:29I thought Paula was very empathetic.
13:32Uh, I trust her instantly, and trust is a really big thing in my eyes.
13:37And I did trust her, and I opened up to her.
13:43A family liaison officer was Pauline's point of contact for, for everything to do with the investigation.
13:49It's essentially my link into Hannie and his family, to understand who Hannie was, what his family life was like.
13:58You try and find out as much background as you possibly can,
14:01because you don't know what is going to have a bearing on the case and what isn't.
14:06I'm coming from Kilkenny, in Ireland.
14:14I moved to Churchill's estate when Hannie was about seven.
14:18Nobody else wanted the property.
14:20I walked in, and there was a wreck, really.
14:23I just looked at the view, and that's it.
14:25I overlooked Big Ben, London Eye, and Chelsea Bridge, the Sun and Thames River.
14:30So, I think I've seen potential where nobody else wanted it.
14:37We were always generally together.
14:39Have you seen him?
14:39Have you seen me?
14:41He was a very cheeky chap.
14:43He was very cheeky.
14:45He was very funny.
14:46He was always hanging out with me.
14:48Um, he loved his head to be rubbed.
14:50So, before he went to sleep, or if he ever had anything, I'd have to rub his head.
14:55He'd call me Pookie, and I'd call him Pookie Bun.
14:59Never in trouble with school.
15:00It had all dotted on him.
15:02He's just got that wondrous personality, so if you met him, you remember him.
15:06Because he was really endearing.
15:09You could tell that he had come from, uh, a secure, loving home.
15:15Everywhere you looked, you know, there's pictures of this young boy, you know, with a huge smile and long lashes.
15:24And the way that Pauline spoke about him, um, it was clear what a loving, close relationship they had.
15:33They were really, really close.
15:38Earlier that day, he said, oh, Mom, I really love you.
15:41Give me a hug.
15:42And I remember giving him a hug.
15:45And I was grateful about that.
15:48I just didn't realize it was the last time I could ever hold my child.
15:53That's...
15:54That's hard.
15:58Mm.
16:04A number of CCTV cameras around the area showed the lead-up to the attack, the attack itself.
16:12And then what happened after the attack, CCTV cameras showed Hanni and his two friends walking along.
16:23And behind them, a gang.
16:25And then you could see the gang begin to chase Hanni and his friends.
16:34The attack site wasn't covered by CCTV.
16:37So the actual attack, um, could not be seen, but the lead-up to it could.
16:45A gang of ten-plus ewes, um, wearing dark clothing, faces covered, who could be seen carrying weapons.
16:55When we looked on the CCTV at the start of the assault, it just didn't seem possible that they would have been able to have even identified who the figures were that were so far in front of them.
17:15Um, it seems as if they'd just set their sights on those figures at the end of the alley, and, um, and it looks like Hanni just wasn't fast enough to get out of the way.
17:28And there was some CCTV picked up that had shown some of the, uh, assailants leaving the scene.
17:37We were able to follow that trail up to Victoria train station.
17:43Um, there's a cab rank there.
17:46Three males were seen in that queue.
17:50Um, one of them, uh, with an obvious hand injury.
17:53And, um, they then got into a taxi.
17:59I released a media repeal quite early on to try and identify that taxi driver, which we were successful in doing.
18:08And we found that that taxi had taken two of those men to St. Mary's Hospital, uh, near Paddington.
18:14We then got CCTV from around the hospital.
18:18And through that, we identified two of the suspects going into the hospital, one of whom had quite a significant cut injury to his hand.
18:28So he was identified as Ali Usain Ali, and the person with him was identified as Arba Barbatowski.
18:38We saw that they were joined by a female.
18:42A lady by the name of Don Jesse Gashi had joined them at the hospital.
18:45I remember I had to go and identify Hanny's body and the morgue.
18:59When a family have to identify the body of their loved one, it is obviously so traumatic.
19:06You just have to prepare them for what is going to take place.
19:14And to, yeah, to just kind of be there to make it as painless as you possibly, possibly can.
19:23I remember then I was taken to a room, and then he was in a glass box.
19:30I looked at his eyes and I thought, oh, it looks like he's just asleep, like if you, you can wake him up.
19:38But I couldn't touch him.
19:40I wasn't allowed to touch him.
19:42And all I wanted to do was rub his head and kind of tell him it's all right.
19:46Don't worry.
19:49Well, I think I was thinking in my head he was asleep.
19:52The blood trail leading away from the scene was quite a key part of the forensic evidence for us.
20:05We realised then that these injuries had been caused to what we thought at the time was one person, but turned out to be two.
20:15Two of them had actually sustained injuries.
20:17One of which was Al Hussain Ali, who was one of the men that got into the London taxi at Victoria Station.
20:28And the other person identified on the blood trail was a male called Dilawar Hussain.
20:34A number of the people we had identified were known to the police already.
20:38Some of them were known for offences involving bladed weapons.
20:42Some of them were known for offences involving violence prior to Hanni's murder.
20:51In every murder case, an examination of the victim's body takes place to establish the cause of death.
21:00The post-mortem examination of Hanni established that he suffered over 20 injuries to his body.
21:07From head to toe, face, head to back.
21:16Brassock's legs everywhere, absolutely everywhere.
21:20It appeared that every weapon had hit him.
21:23There were injuries which cut into his bones.
21:27So that basically gave us the evidence of how vicious and severe the attack on him was.
21:37Multiple, multiple injuries.
21:40One of which was proved to be the fatal wound.
21:43One that went into his lung and caused such severe damage.
21:48Ultimately caused his death.
21:49To be able to go out and arrest someone for Hanni's murder, we needed to have reasonable grounds to suspect that those individuals were involved in Hanni's murder.
22:08Al Hussein Ali attended St. Mary's Hospital in the Black Taxi with another male called Arba Barbatowski.
22:15We were able to identify both of those men in the hospital.
22:19Which clearly brought both of those into the status of suspects within the investigation.
22:27Other suspects were identified through the examination of the knives found at the scene.
22:32When they were sent to the laboratory, we got some DNA and fingerprints back.
22:39There was a male called Ahmed Makaima and another man called Craig Boyce.
22:45Once the suspects were identified and we were planning the arrest phase, which involved a large team of officers, where you have multiple suspects.
22:54Ideally, it would be great to be able to arrest them all at the same time, because that gives us the best chance of securing evidence from them, such as clothing they may have been wearing, telephones that they may have been using at the time.
23:09We had been visiting families of some of the suspects to try and track them down.
23:16None of them were at home.
23:17We established that they had fled.
23:19So obviously the word had got out that they were suspected of Hanni's murder.
23:24Our first arrest phase was unsuccessful.
23:28So we then had to continue our efforts to identify where they were and arrest them and take them into custody.
23:36Some of them we traced through intelligence sources.
23:39Some of them were done with surveillance teams.
23:42We found that one of the assailants, Ahmed Makaima, had applied for a passport and he'd then actually booked a ticket to Egypt.
23:55So surveillance teams were put in and eventually he was tracked down to an address in London and arrested.
24:03So Ahmed Makaima was our first arrest.
24:05A number of them had left London.
24:10Arba Barbatoski had fled to Bristol with his girlfriend Donjeta Gashi and Al Hussain Ali.
24:18So I sent officers to Bristol to try and establish their movements and also to establish if there was anyone else with them.
24:25We were still trying to trace.
24:27But before we could get arrest teams down there, they then travelled back up to London and they actually got themselves in at Belgravia police station.
24:40Under the guise of, I understand you're looking for me, but clearly it's got nothing to do with me.
24:45During those inquiries, we established that Donjeta Gashi had assisted her boyfriend, Barbatoski, in staying in Bristol.
24:56And therefore we arrested her for attempting to pervert the course of justice.
25:04Some of the other suspects had moved to a different part of West London.
25:09Craig Boyce was at a girlfriend's address, maybe somewhere in Knightsbridge.
25:15There were other suspects that we needed to identify.
25:20So we looked into the backgrounds of those that we had identified already.
25:24Are the people known to each other?
25:26What happened afterwards?
25:28What happened before?
25:29Trying to establish who else they were with in the lead up to Hanni's murder and the hours and days after the murder.
25:37The local police were really important in giving us information and being able to identify potential suspects.
25:46The last person we arrested was Tarquire Joseph.
25:50The evidence against him was built up by examining CCTV footage and telecommunications data.
25:58And also looking at his associations with the suspects we had already arrested and charged.
26:04The first week of the investigation, we were able to give Pauline some really positive news that people had been arrested.
26:17I got a phone call to say they were arrested.
26:20I was thinking, oh, probably it's good, like, contrability.
26:27But still I'm getting no reason why.
26:31I just lost my child.
26:33I didn't know how to feel.
26:35I didn't feel anything.
26:37I just felt numb.
26:37So I just, like, kind of, like, yeah, that's, you know, brilliant.
26:45Just doesn't bring back my child, does it?
26:54The interview process is another opportunity to gather further evidence by giving them the opportunity to give their side of events.
27:03I remember Makaima giving a reason for his DNA of forensics being found on a cleaver was, um, something to do with the family barbecue.
27:14And that, um, material there would have come from chicken.
27:19All denied any involvement and all, uh, claimed that if it could be proven that they were there, then they didn't have to have anything to do with the assault.
27:35Identifying suspects in a case like this, you know, horrific murder with multiple suspects is a really positive and rewarding, um, part of what I do.
27:47It has a positive impact because it keeps the team extremely motivated.
27:53And more importantly, it provides some answers to Pauline, um, Hanni's mum.
28:02At the conclusion of the interview process, I felt that there was sufficient evidence to speak to the Crown Prosecution Service.
28:09And it's down to the CPS to make the decision on whether or not they should be charged.
28:13The first person we charged with, uh, Hanni's murder was Ahmed Makaima, who was charged on the 4th of February, shortly after the murder.
28:25Arba Barbatowski was the second person charged on the 7th of February.
28:31Craig Boyce was charged with murder on the 12th of February.
28:35Alongside Ali Hussein Ali, also charged on the 12th.
28:40Tarquai Joseph, charged with murder on the 14th of February.
28:44Donjeta Gashi was charged with an offence of attempting to flirt the course of justice.
28:49One of the really important things for, for me to establish was why this gang of men attacked Hanni, and what was the connection between them.
29:05They showed in the paper pictures of these, um, of the suspects, and I'm like, who are these? I didn't even know them.
29:12We conducted research into their backgrounds, their associates, their, um, telephone usage, and we couldn't find any evidence of association with Hanni.
29:25At that point, we had charged five with murder, and, um, two with flirting the course of justice, so there were seven defendants at trial.
29:46The murder trial was heard at the Old Bailey Crown Court, the Central Criminal Court.
29:51The trial began in November 2013.
29:55I was nervous, obviously. I've never been in a courtroom before.
29:59We were able to show the court, um, tell her, you know, where people are going to sit, who's going to, you know, be able to see you.
30:07You've got a public gallery, you know, the doc. All of that is explained.
30:12I was prepared, but I don't think you're ever prepared for it.
30:16When I walked in, I was kind of in shock. There were so many, um, barristers, uh, defending, um, each suspect, so that was a bit of a shock.
30:27I didn't realize there'd be so many.
30:29The evidence presented at court was witness testimony from members of the public that had seen various different parts of the attack, the lead-up to it, the actual attack itself.
30:41Um, there was forensic experts, a large amount of CCTV evidence following the suspects prior to the murder and then after the murder.
30:52Forensic evidence is extremely strong.
30:56We had found weapons very close to the scene, which we could forensically link to the, to the murder of Hanni through DNA, um, analysis.
31:07It can be an anxious time because it's the first time, really, that your work as an investigation team is tested.
31:14Um, and it's tested to the highest levels.
31:19During the trial, Pauline turned up every single day.
31:24And the flow, um, would attend every day that Pauline wanted to attend in support of her.
31:31I wasn't left on my own in the courtroom, so I was always beside Paula.
31:37Um, she'd prepare you for what's going to happen that day.
31:41Some days, obviously, a lot more difficult than others.
31:45Um, the details of the attack on Hanni, the injuries he sustained.
31:51I remember the 33 wounds I had to look at on each page of the, of my child's body.
32:02Not over 20, 33.
32:05Just want to make that clear.
32:08Because I went through each one of them.
32:10There'd be times, um, in court where I'd know that the evidence that was going to be put up absolutely break her heart.
32:23Of all those wounds, what hurt the most was the defensive wounds all over his legs and arms, where he fought his little heart out.
32:31Stay alive.
32:32I would just feel the need to just kind of show her that, you know, she's not on her own.
32:40She seemed to understand.
32:43She seemed to know when I wasn't doing very well.
32:46Just that little squeeze on the arm or that little nod.
32:51And Paula just told me, oh, I get it.
32:55I see it.
32:58So, a dark time, I met this beautiful person, Paula.
33:04And I'm, I'm grateful that I did meet Paula.
33:07It's important for us to stay alert every day.
33:16So, there may be, and quite often is, a lot of work that still needs to be done during the course of the trial.
33:23It's still very much a live investigation.
33:26One of the defendants, for instance, said that he'd actually been a police informant.
33:31And that that was why he was in an area at that particular time, or that was why the police officer had, you know, had let him go for a crime.
33:43And as ridiculous as it was, it all had to be checked, but to the nth degree.
33:48And that meant obtaining CCTV of the custody suite at the time, locating the officers that had dealt with him, and getting them to court.
33:57Because every single thing had to be completely discounted.
34:04And, of course, they have the relative luxury of being able to change their story there and then.
34:12My team at court were responsible for monitoring the evidence, and then following any leads or lines of inquiry that needed to be carried out during the course of the trial.
34:22There may be people mentioned that we hadn't known about previously.
34:25We may need to decide to go and speak to those people.
34:29There may be other evidence that we need to consider that's coming out of the defendant's case.
34:34You just had to close every single thing down.
34:37They'd put up as much of a fight as they could, yeah.
34:39The duration of the trial was five months.
34:48I didn't realise the court case was going to be so long and so detailed and taking in so much information and trying to retain it.
35:00If I remember, it started around just before the middle of September, and it ended on Hanny's anniversary, the day he died, 27th of January.
35:16So that was very difficult.
35:18When the jury went out, there's that sense that that's it, you can do no more.
35:31It's now completely out of your hands.
35:33I felt confident that my team had done everything they could to collate all available evidence.
35:42We did feel we had a really strong case.
35:45You can never tell with a jury.
35:46You just can't.
35:48And it was a difficult wait.
35:51The reason Hanny was murdered was never definitively established.
35:58He'd gone out with his girlfriend.
36:01They'd gone to a shop outside the fish and ship shop.
36:04They got chatting, then there was other kids.
36:05Then they all disappeared and then decided to go home and play PlayStation, something that was quite normal.
36:12So there was no clear, definitive reason that we were able to establish why this gang attacked Hanny.
36:20They had assembled close to one of their home addresses, and then they could be traced through the local estate to the point where they spotted Hanny and his two friends and gave chase.
36:36They came running up.
36:38He had a hood on, a hat on.
36:39I don't know how anyone could know who he is.
36:42I wouldn't even know who he was from that distance.
36:45It could well have been a case of mistaken identity.
36:47They came down to that area of the Churchill estate in order to harm somebody or to murder.
37:04And it just turned out that Hanny happened to be the child at the end of that alleyway that they caught.
37:15That's the only thing that we can come up with.
37:20Definitely a case of Hanny literally just being in the wrong place.
37:28He was an innocent 16-year-old boy who was attacked in the street.
37:35On the 28th of January 2014, five defendants charged with Hanny's murder were found guilty.
37:43They found Don Jesse Gashi, girlfriend of Aba Barbatowski, guilty of perverting the court of justice.
37:50So, we had guilty verdicts for six out of the seven.
37:56It's obviously a very rewarding feeling.
37:58The relief at actually, you know, actually getting them off the streets and finding some justice for Hanny at that point was fantastic.
38:10If it wasn't for Paula, I wouldn't have been there to represent Hanny every day.
38:18And that was most important.
38:21Because the fact that Hanny would hear and see what was happening through me, I felt that he got justice and that his mum didn't let him down.
38:32As hard as that was to do, I didn't let him down.
38:35And I never would.
38:38The killer's reaction when the verdicts were read out was quite pathetic.
38:44They clapped and cheered.
38:47It felt like a punch in the stomach.
38:49There was no remorse.
38:51They were treating it like it was a day out.
38:53It was...
38:55Like they'd done something good.
38:58That really hurt.
38:59That my child's life was a joke to them.
39:01To counsel, to jury, to everybody, to the team.
39:06She was just absolutely so grateful to us and so relieved.
39:15But I think at the same time, none of it was going to bring Hanny back.
39:21The day Hanny died, it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
39:27It was perfect.
39:29It's all put together.
39:30And when he was murdered, the jigsaw puzzle just got pulled apart.
39:34And it's never been put together again.
39:36It's like that peace is missing now.
39:38And you can never put it back together again.
39:40On the 31st of January 2014, Craig Boyce was sentenced to life imprisonment to serve a minimum term of 27 years.
39:59The other four defendants were given life sentences with a term of 26 years.
40:04I suppose I was relieved that they couldn't hurt anyone else's child.
40:08Because I think if they had walked free, they would have done it again.
40:15So I didn't want it to happen in any other families.
40:19But also I felt numb because I didn't bring back my child.
40:24Extremely proud of the work that my team had done to reach those verdicts.
40:30And most importantly, it's a point where Hanny's mum, Pauline, hopefully had some answers to many of the questions that she had.
40:41But no doubt there were further questions as there were more than those five involved in Hanny's murder.
40:48We discovered that some of the blood spots belonged to another suspect, Dilawar Hussain.
41:00And we then found out that he'd actually managed to get a flight and had left the country.
41:05Where he has remained ever since.
41:09And there are ongoing efforts to identify exactly where he is and return him to the UK to stand trial for Hanny's murder.
41:21It makes me sick that he's walked away.
41:23It's great to see you looking so well.
41:34No, it's really good to see you again. I really miss you.
41:36Yeah, I know. And me too.
41:38You were just always under the phone. You're never too busy for me.
41:42I was like having anxiety attacks and you talked me down and calmed me down.
41:48You made me feel that comfortable and safe.
41:51Because you did make me feel safe.
41:52Good.
41:53And that I could actually call you.
41:55Yeah.
41:55And now you're changing your number. You don't be calling me.
41:59You moved.
42:00You moved the dress.
42:05I'm moving abroad.
42:06You know I will find you.
42:08You will hunt me down.
42:15Yeah, thank you, France.
42:20We're a really good friend.
42:22Um, we've just bonded and kept in contact and she is just, I think she's quite amazing.
42:33And, um, I think we just still make each other laugh, which is, so, I have something so horrific, um, I think the world of her.
42:44I always say to her, and I think she doesn't think it's a compliment, but she reminds me of my mum, and it's that way where she can calm me down and make me feel okay.
42:56She has that soothing factor.
42:58Remember we were talking one afternoon and you said you like muffins, and they're like smart and I came in with a muffin.
43:04And chocolate, and they kept coming.
43:07Yeah.
43:08But in two minutes she had her gone.
43:10Exactly.
43:11That's the thing.
43:12We had to learn not to say what we liked.
43:13She didn't need to share.
43:14Because she would go there with it.
43:15She didn't need to share.
43:16She had her gone.
43:17Not with the chocolate while I wasn't going to share.
43:20Swimmed into the back room and hid it.
43:24She's never spoken about this publicly.
43:28And I am, I'm so pleased for her that, you know, for the first time she's able to, to tell people what, what Hany meant to her and why she's still fighting.
43:44Did what I was saying is still outstanding and, you know, and, I don't think it's fair.
43:55I just don't think it's fair that he can just walk away with it.
44:00Do you remember, like, when I was waiting for the verdict?
44:03I bought in a little lock of his hair that I begged to have.
44:08And I showed you his little lock of hair.
44:11And I remember you touching it.
44:12And you were, like, welling up.
44:14And I just thought it was really touching that you felt, you know.
44:20You did touch it, but I thought, oh, he's here.
44:23Yeah.
44:23Part of him.
44:24Yeah, absolutely.
44:25Yeah.
44:26Part of him there to, yeah.
44:28To see that, like, we did fight, you know, we did fight for him.
44:31We didn't leave it.
44:32No.
44:32We fought to try and find out the truth.
44:37I felt such great empathy towards her because I couldn't imagine losing a child the way that she lost hers.
44:45And to still be walking, functioning, it was just incredible.
44:51I'm just very proud of her, I suppose.
44:55I'm really going to love her.
44:56I actually love Paula, but she, Paula knows that I was here.
45:04And I think she loves me.
45:06And I think she loved Hanni, even though she never met him.
45:09I do think she loved Hanni.
45:12When Hanni was gone, it's like, it's like the whole world went dark.
45:19And you shone a light at that time.
45:26So thank you for that.
45:28That's from the heart.
45:30I know it.
45:33I always come prepared, Paula.
45:35It might be a muffin, but it's a tissue.
45:37If it was just some of Paula in one word, which was my saviour at the time.
46:07It might be a tattoo.
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