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00:00This was a cold and calculated murder.
00:16There's always a breaking point in an investigation.
00:24The timeline of events didn't add up.
00:30It was crucial we supported our family contact.
00:49This was just such a tragedy.
00:53A family who have lost a young son, a brother,
00:57as a result of a stab wound.
01:01A few days before, it was Christmas and we were happy.
01:05And then the next time I see him,
01:07he's lying on a slab in the mortuary.
01:12It was literally over nothing.
01:14Just the senselessness of it will always stay with me.
01:19You never get any worse news than your child being murdered.
01:22That was me and my life I've destroyed forever.
01:34I first met the Fisher family when I was informed by the duty inspector
01:38at around 1pm in the afternoon
01:41that 23-year-old Cody Fisher had been murdered during a night out.
01:46From that moment, I became their point of contact in a murder investigation.
01:51My name is Lisa Taylor.
01:53I was a police family liaison officer,
01:55often referred to as a flow with West Midlands Police.
01:59When I went into the office,
02:01I was approached by the inspector at that time
02:03who advised me that there was a murder case in
02:07and asked if I would be the family liaison officer
02:11to provide support for the family.
02:13The role of a flow to a murder investigation
02:15is absolutely critical.
02:19Working with the family,
02:21getting the trust of the family
02:22to bring information back from the family
02:26that may be crucial to the investigation.
02:29Usually to give a death message
02:31would be our first task as an FLO,
02:34but in this case, it wasn't.
02:37All that we knew at this time was
02:39that a young man had been stabbed.
02:42It was upsetting to hear,
02:44and I knew that because of his age,
02:47it would be upsetting as a family
02:48because ultimately they've lost a son.
02:58I received a phone call just before midnight
03:01on the 26th of December 2022
03:04to say that there had been a murder
03:06in the Crane nightclub in Birmingham.
03:08My name's Michelle Thurgood.
03:10I was a detective inspector
03:11serving on the West Midlands Police Major Crime Unit.
03:15A male had been stabbed
03:17and tragically had died at the scene.
03:20I was told that the Crane is a nightclub
03:24in a warehouse building,
03:26that over 2,000 people were present in the nightclub.
03:29My initial thoughts were 2,000 people.
03:34That's going to be quite difficult
03:36to find out who is responsible.
03:40So one of my roles as SIO
03:41is to deploy family liaison officers.
03:47Hello, DC Taylor.
03:49DC Lisa Taylor was the lead family liaison officer.
03:54Oh, a stabbing in a nightclub?
03:56A role that you couldn't do without
03:59as a senior investigating officer.
04:01How many victims?
04:02They are your conduit between yourself,
04:05the investigation, and families.
04:17When I arrived at the Crane,
04:19I walked through a door
04:21which took me into just a vast expanse
04:24of a big, huge, grey, empty building,
04:31very bare and sort of barren.
04:34The victim was still on the floor,
04:37obviously where he had fallen
04:38after he'd been stabbed.
04:40It was clear that he had suffered
04:43some sort of catastrophic injury
04:45that had caused a lot of blood loss.
04:48The victim was Cody Fisher,
04:51and he was 23 years old
04:52at the time of his death.
04:54My key thoughts are,
04:57who's responsible?
04:59Where are they?
05:00Who are they?
05:01These are people who are not afraid
05:03to stab somebody in a nightclub
05:05full of 2,000 people.
05:07I need to identify and detain them
05:09as soon as possible.
05:16In the first 24 hours
05:18of the investigation,
05:19it's crucial to secure
05:21and preserve evidence,
05:23things left at the crime scene
05:24by the offenders.
05:26You know, looking around
05:27the floor of the place,
05:29there was what I would describe
05:31as rubbish absolutely everywhere.
05:33So, you know, in amongst all of that,
05:35would there be any clues,
05:36any evidence?
05:37So, very challenging
05:39in terms of, in my head,
05:40the sheer numbers
05:41who had been in there
05:42and the vastness
05:44and the area surrounding
05:46where the incident had happened.
05:48In terms of Cody himself,
05:51obviously, he could contain
05:53forensic evidence
05:54that could link us
05:55to the suspects.
05:56The knife that had been used
05:58to stab the victim
05:59had been left in situ
06:01by the person
06:02who had stabbed him
06:03in his side
06:05in the stab wound.
06:06and was removed
06:08by the paramedics
06:09who tried to render first aid.
06:15Two thousand people
06:16were in that club.
06:17How do I track those people down?
06:20Did you see anything?
06:22Can you provide
06:23any witness statements?
06:24Have you got
06:25any mobile phone footage?
06:27Please get in touch
06:28with the police.
06:29Cody was at the nightclub
06:31with a number of his friends.
06:33A lot of those friends,
06:34and in particular,
06:35his girlfriend,
06:36were in very close proximity to him.
06:39So, his girlfriend, Jess,
06:41and numerous of his friends
06:44became significant
06:45or key witnesses.
06:46due to the fact
06:55that Cody was at
06:57the crane
06:57with his girlfriend
06:58and friends,
07:00his mum
07:01actually knew
07:02and was at
07:04the crane nightclub
07:05before I even arrived.
07:06I'm Tracey Fisher,
07:09and I'm the mother
07:10of Cody Fisher.
07:12It was 11 minutes past 12,
07:14and my phone was ringing.
07:16So, I answered the phone,
07:18and, um,
07:20she just said to me calmly,
07:23um,
07:24Trace,
07:25you need to get dressed.
07:28Stephen's on his way
07:30for you.
07:32Um,
07:32Cody's been stabbed.
07:35I can just remember
07:36I was just
07:38hysterical
07:40down the phone,
07:42cut the phone off,
07:43put some clothes on,
07:44and,
07:45and then the next minute,
07:46Stephen pulled up,
07:47got in the car,
07:48run out to him,
07:50and Stephen just,
07:51just blasted all the way,
07:53basically,
07:53to Birmingham.
07:56My name's Stephen,
07:57and I'm Cody Fisher's brother.
08:01My mum was just,
08:03my mum was just
08:04screaming the whole way,
08:07and I was just,
08:09I was trying to calm her,
08:10but I knew
08:11this was,
08:12this was real life,
08:14and I was,
08:14I was trying to drive
08:15at the same time.
08:17My phone rang again,
08:18and I was just shouting,
08:20screaming down the phone
08:21to Danny,
08:21saying,
08:21which hospital are you there?
08:23And he said,
08:24yeah, we're here.
08:26And then Danny said,
08:28Trace,
08:28it's too late.
08:30He's passed away.
08:37I know.
08:38I just,
08:39I just screamed at him,
08:45said he can't be,
08:46can't be,
08:47they'd be taking him
08:47to hospital.
08:49And I'm screaming,
08:50and Stephen,
08:51just that look on his face,
08:53he knew that,
08:53that was me,
08:55and my life
08:56have destroyed forever.
08:57I just remember
09:02pulling up,
09:03the police officer was,
09:05um,
09:06could see that he'd been crying.
09:09He just looked at me,
09:10and he couldn't even
09:10get his words out.
09:13I mean,
09:13I was just
09:14shouting for some answers.
09:16I was just
09:18begging him
09:19to let me in
09:19to be with him,
09:20and they said,
09:22you can't be,
09:22because
09:23the forensics,
09:25and it's got to be kept
09:26isolated,
09:28um,
09:30until the forensics
09:34get there.
09:36I can remember
09:37seeing loads of people,
09:39familiar faces,
09:40I could see Cody's friends,
09:41everything was just a blur,
09:43there was that many police,
09:45police everywhere,
09:46and then,
09:47like,
09:47they wouldn't let us in.
09:49They wouldn't let us in.
09:51I just don't think
09:52any of us wanted to believe
09:53that it was actually real.
09:55I just remember
09:56the paramedics leaving,
09:58and I knew then,
09:59I knew that
10:00it was too late.
10:03Paramedics were getting
10:04into their,
10:05into their ambulance,
10:06and there was no sign of,
10:08no sign of my son.
10:13I felt as I walked in
10:18that it wasn't going
10:20to be easy
10:21to go into the family,
10:23being hours later,
10:25with them already knowing
10:26that Cody had died,
10:28and I was aware
10:30that there may have been
10:31tension towards the police.
10:34This first 24,
10:3636 hours
10:37is extremely challenging
10:38for a family liaison officer.
10:40You are going into a family
10:42at the worst possible time
10:44in their lives.
10:45In the midst of someone's
10:47absolute pain and agony,
10:49you might be on the back
10:50of their anger.
10:51I think it is a very hard job.
10:54Who are these people
10:55in my house
10:55that don't know
10:56the first thing about us?
10:59You don't know me,
11:00you don't know my family,
11:01you don't know
11:02that we're just a normal,
11:03a normal family,
11:05and Cody was a really,
11:07you know,
11:09he was a really lively lad.
11:16Michelle advised
11:17on what we could
11:18actually tell the family,
11:20and in this case,
11:22it was that Cody had died
11:24from a single stab wound
11:26and that we had
11:27offenders outstanding,
11:30and that was all
11:30that we could say
11:31really had happened
11:32at this particular moment
11:34in time for them
11:35because that was
11:36all that we actually knew.
11:39I remember them
11:40coming into the lounge
11:41and introducing themselves
11:44and saying, you know,
11:46what their role was
11:47and that they would,
11:49they would be with me,
11:50you know,
11:50every step of the way now,
11:53to which they was,
11:54to be fair.
11:56I remember them
11:56both hugging me,
11:58and I just felt
12:02that straight away
12:02that they were both
12:03really sincere.
12:05You want the family
12:06to put the trust
12:07in the police
12:09and into the investigation,
12:11and I feel like
12:12the only way
12:12that you can do that
12:14is to go into a family
12:17with an open mind
12:19to try and put them at ease
12:21that we are here for them.
12:23The investigation
12:25is about them
12:26and their loved one
12:26that they've lost.
12:31From when I walked
12:32into the house,
12:34I could tell
12:34that the Fisher family
12:36were quite a close family.
12:38We try and gather
12:39from them information
12:41that we can
12:42about the victim.
12:43Cody came along
12:51September 99
12:53and was just a joy
12:56right from the start
12:57as a baby.
12:58He was just easy.
13:00He was contented.
13:02He was happy.
13:03And he was really chilled
13:05right from the offs.
13:07He would just kick this ball
13:09with his left foot
13:10right from like 11 minutes
13:12up, as soon as he could walk
13:13and control it.
13:15And we knew then
13:17that he'd got a talent.
13:18Cody's whole
13:19growing up,
13:22upbringing,
13:23was football,
13:24football, football.
13:25From like four years old,
13:27he was playing football,
13:28football matches,
13:29football training,
13:31all around the country, really.
13:32So, he was so athletic,
13:36really fast,
13:38amazingly fast runner.
13:40I don't think anybody
13:41ever beat him.
13:42And just a joy,
13:43just an absolute inspiration.
13:46We're the complete opposite,
13:48but it worked really well.
13:51We never, ever, ever
13:52fell out, you know,
13:54whole life.
13:57One particular funny story,
13:59he was so grounded.
14:00He was due to play
14:01in the FA Cup
14:02and I remember
14:03going into his bedroom
14:04and saying,
14:05Cade, wake up.
14:06Come on,
14:06I'm going to work now.
14:08Can you empty the dishwasher?
14:10And he's like,
14:11I'm playing in the FA Cup today.
14:13And I said,
14:14yeah, but you'll play better
14:16if you empty the dishwasher first.
14:18And he laughed
14:19and he went,
14:20of course, Mum,
14:21of course,
14:22I'll see you later.
14:23Love you.
14:24And he did, bless him.
14:26Yeah, he was just,
14:27just an absolute joy.
14:28We, yeah,
14:30we really were best friends.
14:33No-one was like Cade.
14:35He's just a special person.
14:37On the day
14:47that the family
14:48were going to see Cody,
14:50I would have arrived
14:51about half an hour earlier
14:53to go into the mortuary,
14:56speak to the staff
14:57and generally take a look
15:00at the victim,
15:01but ultimately it'd be Tracy
15:02who would identify Cody.
15:04I do find that
15:07families are very nervous
15:10before they come in
15:11and they view a loved one
15:13because you don't know
15:14what's going to happen.
15:16I went to the hospital
15:18and they were there
15:19waiting for us
15:20at the hospital.
15:21I spoke to Tracy
15:23and explained
15:24that Cody
15:25is in the next room,
15:27explained that he will be
15:28under a blanket,
15:29but that Cody
15:31looked at peace.
15:32without them
15:34doing that,
15:37it would have been
15:40even more horrendous
15:42than what it was.
15:43I remember
15:44them taking me down
15:45to the mortuary.
15:50Yeah, Cody was just lying there
15:51as we were sleeping,
15:54like he did in his bed,
15:56peacefully asleep.
15:57and, yeah,
16:03it's the hardest thing ever
16:04that you'll ever do
16:08as a mother
16:09to go and witness that.
16:14It was really, really emotional,
16:17very, very upsetting.
16:19and it's upsetting
16:20for us as a family liaison officer
16:23to see that the family,
16:25you know,
16:26are just an outpouring of emotion
16:28and seeing their loved one.
16:30It's like this is all a bad dream,
16:33but every day you realise
16:36it's not, in fact, a dream,
16:38it's real life.
16:39A few days before,
16:40it was Christmas
16:42and we were happy
16:43and, you know,
16:45he's just going out
16:45for an afternoon event
16:47with his girlfriend
16:50and then the next time
16:51I see him,
16:52he's lying on a slab
16:54in the mortuary.
17:03The post-mortem
17:05was able to tell us
17:06that Cody had got
17:07two stub wounds,
17:09a significant stub wound
17:11to his chest
17:12that had pierced his heart
17:13and that that was,
17:15in fact,
17:15the injury
17:16that had caused him
17:17significant blood loss
17:18and caused his death.
17:20He had another small
17:21stub wound to his leg.
17:23The forensic pathologist
17:24was also,
17:25I would say,
17:25in their belief
17:26that the knife
17:27had been put in
17:28with some considerable force.
17:31If he had gone
17:31in any other direction,
17:32he'd have probably survived.
17:34Unfortunately,
17:35because of the force
17:36and where he was stabbed,
17:38you know,
17:38it killed him
17:39virtually instantly.
17:41So the weapon
17:41that was used
17:42was what's called
17:44a combat knife,
17:45about six-inch in blade.
17:48Not a knife
17:49that anybody needs
17:50to have,
17:50you know,
17:50not a kitchen knife,
17:51not a knife
17:52that you would use
17:53in your normal daily business.
17:55Unfortunately,
17:56because the knife
17:57was left within Cody,
17:59it was swamped
18:00with his blood
18:01and his DNA,
18:02so the knife
18:03was not able
18:04to tell us anything
18:05in terms of
18:07who might be responsible.
18:11In the Crane nightclub,
18:12I knew that
18:13if they had CCTV,
18:14what CCTV they had
18:16would be absolutely crucial.
18:18I spoke with the manager
18:19of the premises
18:19who explained,
18:21yes,
18:21there was actually
18:22very good CCTV.
18:25Soon as a CCTV coordinator
18:27came in
18:28in the early hours
18:29of the morning,
18:30I would brief
18:30that coordinator
18:31so they could start
18:33to see Cody's movements
18:34throughout the evening,
18:35try and ascertain
18:36who might be responsible.
18:38Where do they come and go?
18:40What do they do
18:41within the nightclub?
18:42Where do they go
18:42within the nightclub?
18:44It was a very,
18:45very complex
18:46and long
18:47and challenging
18:48CCTV trawl.
18:54I would go and visit Tracy
18:56and tell them updates
18:58and that continued
19:00for months.
19:02Even if there wasn't
19:03any specific update,
19:04just to telephone her,
19:06just to say,
19:06we're still here,
19:07we're still investigating it,
19:09there's a whole team
19:10and we're still,
19:11we're not concentrating
19:12on anything else,
19:13we are just solely
19:15investigating
19:15the death of Cody.
19:18We were getting
19:19lots of phone calls
19:20from family members
19:21who were clearly
19:22very upset
19:23into the office,
19:25you know,
19:26wanted us to move quicker,
19:27wanted to know
19:27why we weren't
19:28doing certain things
19:29and Lisa had to manage
19:31all of that,
19:32which is no mean feat
19:34and is a very difficult task
19:36and she did it
19:37really, really well.
19:39She was my main,
19:40my main support
19:41through all of that.
19:43She just got it
19:44and,
19:45and like I say,
19:48I really felt her,
19:49her sincerity
19:50all along.
19:52She kept me updated
19:53all the time
19:54so without them,
19:56I don't know,
19:57I don't know
19:57what I would have done.
20:03So there was information
20:05that came from the family
20:06that something had happened
20:09on the Christmas Eve
20:12at a place called Pop World
20:14in Solihull.
20:15They'd spent around
20:16a couple of hours
20:17in Pop World,
20:18drinking,
20:19dancing,
20:20just generally
20:21in the club
20:22as you would do.
20:23It's a really small place
20:25and it was Christmas Eve
20:28so it was rammed.
20:29They started to make their way
20:31out of the club
20:32and the line of people
20:34walking towards the exit
20:35came to a halt.
20:37They'd pushed into a person
20:38who had stood still.
20:39and he just retaliated
20:42in such an aggressive,
20:45demanding way
20:46to Cody
20:47that he was just
20:49really taken aback by it.
20:50He's just,
20:51what the hell?
20:53They chose to ignore him
20:55and they just carried on
20:56heading for the door
20:57and that was it really.
20:59And then when he got in,
21:01I asked him
21:02how he's not had been
21:04and then he just said,
21:05oh gosh,
21:06I just had an altercation
21:08with somebody
21:10that was just,
21:11you know,
21:12just,
21:12just vile
21:14and aggressive
21:15and for nothing,
21:17over nothing,
21:18basically.
21:19So when the
21:21family liaison officers
21:23came out,
21:24I just told them
21:25word for word
21:26what Cody and I discussed.
21:28I just got,
21:29I've just got a horrible feeling
21:30that it could be
21:31something to do with them.
21:32There was other information
21:33which had come from
21:35a friend of Cody
21:36to say that
21:38the person
21:41who was,
21:42who was in Pop World
21:45was also
21:45at the crane that night.
21:47That allowed me to do
21:49was to set some further actions
21:50around CCTV
21:52from Pop World.
21:54You know,
21:54could I ascertain,
21:56you know,
21:56any imagery
21:57of the altercation
21:59that we believed
22:00took place.
22:01So that's why
22:02the family liaison role
22:03is vital really
22:04because with the family
22:06trusting us
22:07with that information,
22:09we were then able
22:10to insert that
22:11into the investigation,
22:13you know,
22:13and it become
22:14an integral part of it.
22:16Cody's funeral
22:28was 31st of January
22:3023,
22:31so
22:31five weeks
22:33after
22:33we'd lost him.
22:36I still
22:37don't believe it now,
22:38so I didn't,
22:39I couldn't believe it
22:41on the day.
22:42It was the actual day.
22:43I started off
22:45at my mum's house.
22:48I remember
22:49being told
22:51that the,
22:52um,
22:53the horse and carriage
22:54was,
22:55was on its way.
22:58With Cody,
23:00it was on its way,
23:01he was on his way
23:02down the road,
23:04so we all went outside
23:05to,
23:06to greet him,
23:07um,
23:08and then went
23:09down to the church.
23:10The lads
23:11were all there
23:11then to,
23:12to lift Cody's coffin
23:15and I was walking
23:16behind.
23:17I couldn't even
23:17tell you he was there,
23:18I just remember
23:19that the church
23:20was packed,
23:21people were standing,
23:22sitting,
23:22it was,
23:23there was,
23:24there was hundreds
23:25there.
23:26I gave him the,
23:27um,
23:28the best send-off
23:28that I could give him,
23:29possibly have given.
23:30I gave him.
23:30One of Cody's friends
23:39came forward
23:40and said,
23:41after the incident
23:42on Christmas Eve,
23:44a person he knew
23:45by the name of Remy Gordon
23:47had sent him
23:48a photograph.
23:50In that photograph
23:51was
23:52a number of
23:53males,
23:55one of those males
23:56being Cody,
23:57and Gordon had asked
23:59the friend
24:00who is this
24:02little pipsqueak
24:03and then he put,
24:05due to shank him up,
24:07which shank him up
24:07from our understanding
24:08was stab him.
24:13I was asked to
24:15view the footage
24:16from Pop World.
24:18We knew
24:19what, uh,
24:20Cody and Dan
24:21looked like.
24:22I identified them
24:23as coming in
24:24and then
24:25continued to
24:27view them
24:28on the CCTV
24:29all around
24:30the club.
24:32I would say
24:32that it took me
24:34around about
24:35four to six weeks
24:36just because
24:38of the amount
24:38of cameras
24:39that were
24:40in the building.
24:42We were able
24:43to pinpoint
24:44the altercation
24:45that took place
24:47between Cody
24:48and who we now know
24:50is Remy Gordon.
24:51So that footage
24:52shows a line of people
24:53trying to exit.
24:54It shows a male
24:55stop still
24:56and do a high-five
24:58or do a handshake
24:59with another male
25:00which has caused
25:01the line behind him
25:02to stop
25:03and people
25:04to push into him
25:05and that was
25:07Cody and Dan.
25:09Unfortunately,
25:10they bumped
25:11into Remy Gordon.
25:13He took some
25:14sort of offense
25:14at that,
25:15tried to get Cody
25:16to go outside
25:17and, you know,
25:18have a straightener.
25:20Cody dismissed him
25:22and virtually
25:23straightaway left,
25:24had nothing more
25:25to do with him.
25:27It was a couple
25:28of seconds.
25:29It just looked to me
25:30like it was people
25:32trying to exit
25:33a really busy club.
25:35So it was just,
25:37it was just a nothing,
25:38really.
25:39It must have happened
25:40so many times
25:41in so many places.
25:42It was just nothing.
25:43Gordon managed
25:50to ascertain
25:50that Cody
25:52was going to be
25:52at the Crane nightclub
25:54on the 26th.
25:56Part of the CCTV
25:57coordinator's role
25:59is to track
26:00each of the potential
26:02suspects
26:02when they leave
26:03the Crane.
26:05They were able
26:05to track,
26:07firstly,
26:08Remy Gordon
26:09to the pizza shop
26:11and then later
26:12another male,
26:13Camay Carpenter
26:14to the same pizza shop.
26:16A conversation,
26:17whilst there's no audio,
26:19clearly takes place
26:19between Remy Gordon
26:21and the male he's with
26:22and it appeared
26:24that the actions
26:25that Remy Gordon
26:27was carrying out
26:28was actually him
26:29reliving,
26:31recreating
26:32what had happened
26:33in the nightclub,
26:34somebody falling backwards,
26:36the kicking,
26:37exactly what had gone on.
26:38We also had a witness
26:43that came forward.
26:45He was actually
26:45a friend of
26:47Gordon and Carpenter.
26:49He told us
26:50that he was given
26:51a lift home
26:52after the stabbing
26:53and that Camay Carpenter
26:55told him
26:56that he was responsible
26:57for the stabbing.
27:06I was happy
27:07that I had got
27:07enough evidence
27:08based on the CCTV
27:10and from what witnesses
27:11had told me
27:12to be able to raise
27:14Camay Carpenter
27:14and Remy Gordon
27:16to suspect status
27:17and then obviously
27:19start to look for them
27:20in what the police
27:21call a manhunt.
27:21My concern
27:23at this point
27:24was I had no idea
27:26where they were.
27:27They clearly
27:27had no worries
27:29about carrying a knife.
27:31They clearly
27:31had no worries
27:32about carrying out
27:33such a horrific attack
27:35in a public place.
27:36So to arrest them
27:38as soon as possible
27:38for public safety
27:40and for Cody's family
27:41was, you know,
27:42top priority.
27:44By raising someone
27:45to a suspect
27:46and putting him
27:46on the police
27:47national computer
27:48as wanted,
27:49that creates
27:50a number of
27:51alerts
27:52with airports,
27:53ports, seaports,
27:54anywhere where somebody
27:55could leave the country.
27:58Pamay Carpenter,
27:59he decided
28:00to book a flight
28:02to Jamaica
28:03along with other
28:04family members.
28:05One could only presume
28:06to evade the police
28:08in any capture.
28:09So I received a call
28:11from Heathrow Airport
28:12to say
28:13it flagged on their computer
28:15that somebody
28:17who was wanted
28:18for murder
28:19had in fact
28:20was due to board
28:21a flight.
28:22Carpenter was staying
28:23along with some
28:24of his other relatives
28:25at a location
28:26in London
28:27and when they left
28:28that location
28:29with an intention
28:30to travel
28:31to the airport
28:32they were arrested
28:33by officers
28:34from the Metropolitan
28:35Police
28:36and from West Midlands
28:37Police.
28:38You've been arrested
28:38on suspicion
28:39of murder?
28:3912, 14, do.
28:41About 8, 13.
28:42Manhunt for Remy Gordon
28:45was more traditional
28:46policing tactics
28:48to identify
28:49where somebody might be
28:50tried to locate them
28:51where their phones might be
28:53that type of investigation.
28:55that's obviously a big breakthrough
29:07for us in the case
29:09and something which the family
29:10need to be informed about.
29:11as soon as they were caught
29:14I was called straight away.
29:16Just relieved.
29:18Obviously very dangerous individuals.
29:22So yeah, the relief.
29:24And imagine
29:24if he had been able
29:27to escape the country.
29:29So the relief
29:30was just immense.
29:31Once suspects are in custody
29:37the first steps
29:38within the custody environment
29:40is to ascertain
29:41the course of action
29:43for interviews.
29:44Okay.
29:45Yeah.
29:46You know, I suppose.
29:47No, Dad.
29:49Generally it's a case
29:50of getting an account
29:51off them.
29:52Do they change their story?
29:54Do they, you know,
29:55put any version of events
29:56forward?
29:57In this case
29:58Remy Gordon answered
29:59no comment
30:00to all the questions
30:02that were put to him
30:03in every interview.
30:05Cammie Carpenter's interview
30:06was very much the same
30:07as Remy Gordon's interview
30:08in terms of
30:09he also said no comment.
30:12So frustrating
30:14when they don't talk to you
30:15but never unexpected.
30:17Once Remy Gordon
30:19had been arrested
30:20along with some others
30:21and their phones
30:22were downloaded
30:24and looked into
30:25there was a lot of conversation
30:27that took place
30:29on Snapchat
30:30after the 24th
30:32into the 25th
30:34into the 26th
30:35and then
30:36into the 27th.
30:39So
30:39slowly going through
30:41those conversations
30:42and trying to piece together
30:43what they were talking about
30:46and how
30:47they were implicating themselves
30:49or not
30:50in those conversations
30:51was absolutely key
30:52to building
30:53the picture of evidence
30:54against
30:54particularly Remy Gordon
30:56and Carmine Carpenter.
30:57It's crucial that
31:00before they even
31:02go to the crane
31:03that there was a conversation
31:04going on
31:05between Remy Gordon
31:06and Carmine Carpenter
31:07where they're talking
31:09about the security.
31:11Carpenter is talking about
31:12would you be able
31:13to get a weapon in?
31:15Remy's already
31:15in the crane by now
31:17and he's saying
31:17essentially
31:18the security
31:19is really poor.
31:20The Snapchat
31:23conversations
31:24that took place
31:25made it clear
31:26that they knew
31:27exactly what had gone on
31:28exactly what had happened
31:30and that once they knew
31:32that Cody was in fact
31:33dead
31:34they tried to
31:35distance themselves.
31:37Gordon starts
31:38talking about
31:39Carmine Carpenter
31:40and heavily suggesting
31:42that he's responsible
31:44that he should
31:45take the blame
31:46starts to try
31:47and distance himself
31:48from what's gone on
31:49but it's very
31:50very clear
31:51that he was
31:52party to it.
31:54Lisa was made aware
31:55by friends
31:57and family
31:58of Cody
31:59that there was
31:59a video circulating
32:00and while that footage
32:02didn't show
32:03the actual
32:04stabbing
32:05what that showed
32:06at close proximity
32:08was the group
32:09that had now
32:10been identified
32:10by my CCTV
32:12coordinators
32:13as what I called
32:14the suspect group
32:15so Gordon Carpenter
32:17and friends
32:18you see them
32:19go towards Cody
32:20and his group
32:21you see
32:23quite clearly
32:23a headbutt
32:25from my Carpenter
32:26to Cody
32:28you see a scuffle
32:29and then you see Cody
32:30on the floor
32:31what you also see
32:33is Remy Gordon
32:33kicking him
32:34so we will say
32:36he's probably already
32:37dead at this point
32:38yet still Gordon
32:39kicks him
32:40whilst he's on the floor.
32:44So following
32:46obviously the conclusion
32:47of the interviews
32:48and being able
32:48to present
32:49all of the evidence
32:50to the Crown
32:50Prosecution Service
32:52they decided
32:53that Remy Gordon
32:54and Kamai Carpenter
32:55should be charged
32:56with murder.
32:59Once they'd
33:01finished questioning
33:02I was then
33:03informed straight away
33:04that they'd been charged
33:05just relieved.
33:09I remember
33:10getting calls
33:10from Lisa
33:11like late
33:13at night
33:14so it didn't matter
33:14what time
33:15of the day
33:15or night it was
33:16if they were charging
33:17she was phoning me
33:20to let me know
33:20yeah she was
33:21great support.
33:33That particular morning
33:35I woke up
33:36I was quite nervous
33:37about what was
33:38going to happen.
33:40The family
33:40were mainly concerned
33:41about having to sit
33:43by the defendant's
33:44family.
33:46There was a lot
33:46of tension
33:47in the building
33:48there was obviously
33:49Cody's family
33:49and friends
33:50the various different
33:52defendants
33:53family and friends
33:54it was a real tense
33:56atmosphere.
33:57Throughout the trial
33:58Tracy didn't feel
34:00that she could
34:01come and
34:02view what was
34:03going on
34:04but she did ask me
34:05would I telephone her
34:07every day
34:08and let her know
34:08what's happened
34:09those conversations
34:11would inevitably
34:13be over
34:14half an hour
34:15each and every day
34:17more like an hour
34:19really.
34:24Cody's girlfriend
34:26Jess
34:26was a key witness
34:27so she gave her
34:29evidence
34:30fairly early on
34:31she's seen
34:33someone murder
34:34her boyfriend
34:35in cold blood
34:36and she's had
34:37to try and provide
34:38first aid for him
34:39on the scene.
34:41She fought him
34:42and the knife
34:43was stuck in his
34:44body you know
34:45when she tried
34:47to put him
34:47in recovery position
34:48she couldn't
34:48because the knife
34:50was in
34:51and that's when
34:52they realised
34:53he'd been stabbed.
34:56It was an emotional
34:58day for her
34:58she was
34:59very
35:00very upset
35:01you know
35:03it must have
35:04been very difficult
35:05for her to do
35:06that
35:06she's lost
35:07her boyfriend
35:08and she's having
35:09to describe
35:09in great detail
35:11about what's
35:12happened
35:12which must have
35:13been absolutely
35:14horrendous
35:15but she
35:16did us proud
35:18she was very good.
35:19Throughout the
35:20whole trial
35:21there were times
35:22when the public
35:23gallery had to
35:24be told by the
35:24judge about
35:25their behaviour
35:26family members
35:28felt quite
35:29intimidated
35:30by the actions
35:32of the other
35:33defendants'
35:34families
35:34we had to get
35:36involved
35:37several times
35:38directly having
35:39conversations
35:40with the defendants'
35:41family
35:41around
35:43their actions
35:44their behaviours
35:45so it was a
35:52very volatile
35:52and tense
35:54atmosphere
35:55every day
35:56all day
35:56within the courtroom
35:57everybody believed
36:00that it would be
36:01four to six weeks
36:02maybe
36:02and then
36:04lo and behold
36:05the trial didn't last
36:06for that short amount
36:07of time
36:07it was 12 weeks
36:08when both Carpenter
36:11and Gordon
36:12gave their evidence
36:13they both denied
36:15being responsible
36:16for
36:17his murder
36:19they obviously gave
36:20an account
36:20that tried to suggest
36:22that he was responsible
36:23for the fight
36:24watching Remy Gordon
36:26give evidence
36:27he was arrogant
36:28he gave an air
36:31I think he even said
36:32something along the lines
36:33of being
36:34you know
36:34the leader of the pack
36:35people looking up to him
36:37almost that sort of swagger
36:38about himself
36:40Cammie Carpenter's
36:42demeaning on the stand
36:43was very different
36:44he didn't have that arrogance
36:46around him
36:47that Remy Gordon
36:48had throughout
36:49nevertheless
36:50he never accepted
36:52his part
36:53or responsibility
36:54in the murder of Cody
36:55they tried to push
36:57all responsibility
36:58off themselves
36:59and ultimately
37:01onto each other
37:01so what's known
37:03as a cutthroat defence
37:04Gordon blaming Carpenter
37:06Carpenter blaming Gordon
37:07I always say
37:08it's impossible
37:09to judge a jury
37:10I had no doubt
37:12that they would be found guilty
37:13but you can never be sure
37:15waiting for the verdict
37:25it was just really nervous
37:27I got sweaty palms
37:29it's so emotional
37:30because it's been
37:31your life
37:32or your working life
37:35more or less
37:36every day
37:36since
37:37the 27th of December
37:392022
37:40and so
37:41when it comes to the day
37:43of the verdict
37:44it's just really emotional
37:46because
37:46you're worried
37:47you're worried
37:48that
37:48you're not going to get
37:50the right verdict
37:51for the family
37:51you're worried about
37:53what they
37:54what they will think
37:56how they will react
37:57so the timeline events
38:01that we
38:01put forward
38:02at trial
38:04is
38:04on that
38:0524th of December
38:07Cody and his friend
38:08Dan
38:09went to Pop World
38:09in Solihull
38:10and that
38:11whilst
38:12they were at that club
38:13Cody
38:14had bumped
38:15into somebody
38:16like you do
38:17in any
38:17packed club
38:18Remy was with
38:21another
38:21friend that night
38:23maybe
38:23he felt like
38:24he'd lost face
38:25with his friend
38:26maybe
38:27he felt
38:28that
38:29he had to
38:30seek some
38:30revenge on Cody
38:31that somebody
38:33dared
38:34to not be
38:35intimidated by him
38:36that it would
38:37appear it just
38:37ate him up
38:38and that's why
38:40that planned
38:41retribution
38:42happened
38:43over that
38:43Christmas day
38:44Christmas period
38:46Gordon
38:47Carpenter
38:48and a whole
38:48crowd of their
38:49other friends
38:50attended the
38:51crane
38:52on that
38:53boxing day
38:54just towards the
38:55end of the
38:55evening
38:56the group
38:57that Gordon
38:58and Carpenter
38:58were part of
39:00approached Cody
39:01his girlfriend
39:02and other friends
39:03on the dance floor
39:04the altercation
39:05takes place
39:06where Cody
39:07ends up on the
39:07floor
39:08the attack on Cody
39:09lasts seconds
39:11literally seconds
39:12you see him on his feet
39:14you see him on the floor
39:15you don't see any more
39:16than that
39:17and in that
39:17those moments
39:19because of how
39:21and where
39:22the stab wound
39:23is
39:23our belief
39:25is he died
39:26virtually instantly
39:27so eventually
39:34we get noticed
39:35that there is
39:36a verdict
39:36I went to the
39:39verdict
39:40because I felt
39:41that I needed
39:41to do that
39:42and I went
39:43via link
39:44in the court
39:45building
39:45she didn't want
39:47to go into
39:47the actual
39:48courtroom
39:48we sat
39:49in a side
39:50room
39:50and we were
39:51able to view
39:52the verdict
39:53via a live link
39:54from the courtroom
39:55they all supported me
39:57they were all brilliant
39:58they couldn't have
39:58done any more
39:59that day
40:00when the jury foreman
40:05stood up
40:06they found
40:07both Gordon
40:08and Carpenter
40:09guilty of murder
40:10relieved
40:14relieved
40:15that they both
40:16got murder
40:17she was absolutely
40:18ecstatic
40:19crying
40:20emotional
40:21screaming
40:22just all
40:24all the emotions
40:25that anybody
40:25could ever show
40:26just all in
40:27all in one
40:28just
40:29yeah
40:29just
40:30highly
40:31emotional
40:31so the verdict
40:33was
40:33just like
40:34a wave
40:35of relief
40:36you've got
40:38the right
40:38verdicts
40:39for the family
40:39it's never
40:40going to bring
40:41Cody back
40:42but
40:43at least
40:44we've got
40:45we've got
40:45the persons
40:46that are
40:46responsible
40:46and they are
40:48going to have
40:49to spend
40:50you know
40:50the majority
40:51of their lives
40:52now in prison
40:53for what they
40:54did to Cody
40:54the defendants
40:56made no emotion
40:57once the verdicts
40:59were read out
40:59they didn't move
41:01they didn't say
41:02anything
41:02no emotion
41:04whatsoever
41:05Cody's case
41:19will always stay
41:20in my mind
41:21for any number
41:23of reasons
41:24but the senselessness
41:26of it all
41:27yeah
41:28and the impact
41:29on his family
41:31my life sentence
41:33started on Boxing Day
41:34I'm heartbroken
41:36forever
41:36there's no coming back
41:38from that
41:39you know
41:41Cody's on my head
41:42all the time
41:43I wake up
41:43thinking about him
41:44I go to bed
41:45thinking about him
41:45and I go to his grave
41:47every few days
41:49religiously
41:50and they're the things
41:52that
41:52they're the situations
41:55that
41:55people don't see
41:57that I live with
41:59every single day
42:00we have to visit Cody
42:03now
42:03his headstone
42:05no matter what weather
42:07it is
42:08whether it's raining
42:08snowing
42:10that's where we have
42:10to go and see him
42:11he doesn't come home
42:13anymore
42:13I'm just good
42:17I can't
42:17fix my family
42:18and I can't
42:20bring him home
42:21in my darkest days
42:23when
42:23I thought
42:24I can't
42:25you know
42:25I won't get through this
42:27I can't get through this
42:28how can I go on
42:29when
42:30my boy's gone
42:31and he's not coming back
42:33and
42:33without them
42:35liaison officers
42:36at the beginning
42:38I just
42:39we'd be
42:40I just don't know
42:42what would happen
42:43you've got to have them
42:45they're so important
42:46when it came to sentencing
42:52Remy Gordon
42:53was given
42:54life
42:55with a minimum tariff
42:56of 26 years
42:58and
42:59Kami Carpenter
43:00was given
43:00life
43:01with a minimum
43:01tariff
43:02of 25 years
43:03you can't help
43:05but feel
43:06nothing but
43:07disdain
43:08for them
43:09and their actions
43:10and you know
43:11what they've done
43:12it was literally
43:12over nothing
43:13it was over
43:14a shove
43:16in a nightclub
43:17if I could say
43:20anything to them
43:20come and
43:21let them come
43:22and spend a few hours
43:23down Cody's grave
43:24with me
43:25we're going
43:26we're going to see him
43:26we're going to speak to him
43:27and they can feel
43:28how I have to feel
43:30it's left such a massive
43:33void
43:33in the family
43:35a situation
43:36that I wouldn't
43:37wish on anybody
43:38I wouldn't wish it
43:39on my worst enemy
43:40in December
43:482024
43:50I resigned
43:51as a police officer
43:52and I felt
43:54that
43:55because of the relationship
43:56that I've built up
43:57with Tracy
43:58and the family
43:59I wanted to keep
44:01in touch with them
44:02I felt like
44:03that we had become
44:04more of friends
44:05really
44:06oh my god
44:09what are you doing
44:10I am
44:11oh my god
44:12oh my god
44:14what are you doing
44:15what's the same
44:15Jane
44:16now what are you looking
44:17for this
44:18oh come in
44:18I'm sorry
44:19oh bless you
44:22you're not really well
44:23thank you
44:24so do you
44:24you're okay
44:26oh god
44:30we've just
44:32built a really
44:33a really strong
44:35relationship
44:37and friendship
44:37and um
44:38yeah
44:39she
44:39she
44:40just totally
44:41totally gets me
44:42and I'll thank her
44:44for that
44:45it was a reality
44:46this mother's day
44:47when I went to the cemetery
44:48and I was down there
44:50on my own
44:51and I spent a few hours
44:52down there
44:53and
44:53without her
44:55you know
44:57how would I have
44:58got through it all
44:59really
45:00you know
45:01with her updating me
45:03and being the support
45:04that she was
45:04just known each other
45:06for like two years
45:07haven't we
45:07you know
45:08well even
45:08two and a half years
45:10isn't it
45:10yeah
45:10even though that doesn't
45:12register
45:12in my head
45:14because it's still
45:14like yesterday
45:15it's still like
45:16yesterday
45:17it's still a long time
45:18isn't it
45:19that was
45:20that was the worst
45:20time of my life
45:22and she was a very
45:23special person
45:25in that worst time
45:27in my life
45:27it was a difficult case
45:30for me
45:30probably was the most
45:32difficult
45:32yeah I knew that
45:33I got that
45:34did you
45:35yeah I picked up on that
45:36yeah
45:36yeah
45:36I think it's just
45:38because you were just
45:38such a lovely family
45:39I felt proud to be part
45:43of a hard working
45:44dedicated team
45:45who'd put months
45:46and months of work
45:47into this case
45:48and we were able
45:50to bring the suspects
45:50to justice
45:51glad I was there for you
45:54I'm glad you was
45:55as well Lisa
45:56yeah
45:57I don't know what
45:58I would have done
45:59like you
46:00oh I never forget
46:02yourselves
46:02or Cody
46:03this case is
46:07is one of the
46:08longest cases
46:09that I've been
46:10a family liaison
46:11officer for
46:11it's been
46:13probably
46:13the
46:14the most difficult
46:16case
46:17I would say
46:18so
46:19yeah
46:19this will be a case
46:21that I won't
46:22ever forget
46:22I don't know
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