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00:00Tonight, the reunion continues.
00:08I've never seen a cock ring before.
00:10We got ear fucked.
00:12Ew.
00:13Did you have an orgasm?
00:16I was a victim of dry humping.
00:19How are you? Good to see you.
00:21I'm good.
00:22I've got an issue with Slade. He's on his fourth housewife.
00:25And he doesn't want to do this?
00:26I'm the third housewife.
00:27That's better.
00:28That's ready.
00:29I'm in the same seat you're in, Katie.
00:31So I fucked with your paycheck?
00:34Wait, what?
00:34Why did you say, yes, I went to the hospital?
00:37All of us are guilty of misspeaking.
00:39That is not misspeaking.
00:40How dare you?
00:42You and I knew each other better than that.
00:43I don't want to cry.
00:45I didn't fuck with your paycheck.
00:47I was your friend.
00:49Oof, this is crazy.
00:53Don't you also bring up old dirt on people?
00:55What have I brought up recently?
00:57Fifteen years ago, Tamara, you made up all the lies about me back then.
01:01It was the affair.
01:02Me and Vicky both walked in and Gina Keogh saw you sitting on s*** lap making out with
01:07us.
01:08Oh my God, you're such a f***ing liar.
01:10You're a f***ing liar.
01:11For so f***ing long, you've been coming after me.
01:14No, I haven't.
01:14You've been going after my husband.
01:16You've been going after me.
01:16You've been going after my kids.
01:18No, I'm not.
01:18I don't talk about you.
01:19Okay, you don't talk about me ever.
01:21This is insane.
01:21All right.
01:27We have more to get into between Tamara and Gretchen later on.
01:32I want to move on.
01:33As Jen was prepping to strap on her wedding bikini, rumors that she clipped in Tamara's
01:39old hair extensions, combined with the circulation of a so-called fatty photo, left their friendship
01:46on thin ice.
01:48But could these single white frenemies take solid steps toward rebuilding their friendship?
01:54Take a look.
01:56Ready to see my soon-to-be bride in her wedding bikini?
02:00This is painful.
02:01No way.
02:03Maybe Ryan's logic is you get engaged in a bikini, you get married in a bikini.
02:06I don't want Tamara in our wedding.
02:08How was I friends for so many years with this woman, and now I'm a target?
02:13She went to the hair salon where I went and had my old hair extensions put in her head.
02:17Oh my goodness.
02:19Why in the fuck do I want to be a woman like you?
02:22She's jealous.
02:23How dare you?
02:25I didn't come to your gym.
02:26I didn't know shit about you.
02:27It's weird.
02:28No, what's weird is how you twist shit.
02:30The lies just escalate.
02:32Tamara pulled up this, like, former fatty photo of Jen.
02:36She was heavy.
02:38Oh yeah, she's totally different.
02:39Totally different.
02:41Her lips look like hot dogs now.
02:43That was a time in my life when I was home raising my family.
02:46You showed this picture because you are so insecure.
02:49I fucked up and I'm sorry.
02:51Things don't go this deep when you don't really care about somebody.
02:55I want to believe you.
02:56And I wanted them to cooperate.
03:00Okay.
03:01Jen, it seems like you and Tamara got along and had some fun in Amsterdam.
03:05Where do the two of you stand now?
03:08I don't know.
03:09I mean, that's the honest truth.
03:10Have you seen each other since you wrapped?
03:12No.
03:13Oh, well, that's not great.
03:14We don't talk.
03:14We don't see each other.
03:16It's, for me, it's hard to navigate you.
03:19And I don't know sometimes what version of you that I'm going to get.
03:22And then I actually just feel like, Tamara, you just don't like me and that's okay.
03:26No, that's not true.
03:27And I am a people pleaser, so I think I keep fighting for this friendship that never really was.
03:33You weren't fighting for a friendship this season.
03:35No, I wasn't, because at that point, at this point, I was just kind of over it.
03:38But there's things that I don't understand.
03:40Like, you are very hell-bent on making sure people know that I'm not who I portray myself to be.
03:46You say, like, you'll find out she lies, she's not kind.
03:50And it's like you teeter on a weird place with me that I don't understand.
03:54Every scene that we would film, you were always poking at me.
03:58It's not just Katie.
03:59I think there's more of us that sit at this table who should listen and not go so low.
04:03Oh, bring it on, Jen.
04:05I mean, you feel guilty down there or something?
04:08So when Heather was over, we were talking about you.
04:11And I said, I felt like you singled me out because you wanted to get on the show.
04:17What is the crime in wanting to be on the show?
04:18There's no crime.
04:19Okay.
04:20Because also, when she was coming on the show and you brought her on the show,
04:23I remember asking you about her.
04:25Yeah.
04:25And you were like, oh, she's great.
04:27You were positive about her.
04:29I submitted her name like seven years prior.
04:30And I didn't get it.
04:31And I never, that was it for me.
04:32Then you started coming into my training sessions.
04:35And that's when you and I felt like you and I got so much closer.
04:38What if we became partners?
04:40We could do like a...
04:42A training and a yoga.
04:44Well, we don't do yoga here.
04:45So we can open up a yoga studio.
04:46I'm ready.
04:47When you're ready.
04:48No, you'd probably kill me.
04:49Great.
04:49We were on bad terms.
04:51She never struck me as the type of person who was like, just thirsty for the show.
04:56I think something happened between your friendship.
04:58It was just a chain of events that happened.
05:00This is what I heard.
05:01You bought the house, a couple doors down.
05:03We never lived on the same street.
05:04I never bought a house near you.
05:06Your house with Will was two doors down from mine and Simon's house.
05:09It wasn't.
05:10Then where did you live?
05:11I've never, I was never your neighbor.
05:12Point Circle.
05:13I've never lived on Point Circle.
05:14No, but you're on Becker.
05:16I was, I've lived on Becker twice.
05:18Yeah.
05:18But okay, so this is a cul-de-sac right there.
05:19But you weren't living there.
05:20No, I wasn't.
05:21You, so, so.
05:22So then.
05:22No.
05:23So you weren't even living there.
05:24I don't even understand that.
05:25And then all of a sudden, you were going to my doctor.
05:28You're, we were at the same hair salon.
05:30What doctor?
05:30You started going.
05:31I didn't use your hair salon.
05:32You came to the gym and you wanted to do a fitness competition.
05:34I spent a lot and I, you invited me to do the competition with you.
05:38I didn't do one.
05:39You didn't, you bailed out.
05:40You guys talked me into doing it with you.
05:42Are you really considering doing the fitness show?
05:45Are you?
05:45I don't really want to.
05:46I'll do it if you do it.
05:48I mean, I feel like the thought of it makes my stomach turn.
05:52Why?
05:52I feel like you could go on stage right now.
05:54No, I could not.
05:55I never signed myself up for a competition.
05:58Eddie encouraged me.
05:59You were supposed to be doing it at the time.
06:01You, you decided it wasn't for you.
06:03And Eddie told me I should stay in it.
06:04So it's like, you were just a normal girl that had a gym a mile away from my yoga studio.
06:08And I was looking to train and I loved your husband.
06:11That's it.
06:11Okay.
06:13Becky in North Dakota said, Gretchen, do you find a parallel to how Tamara is jealous of Jen's looks compared to how she was jealous of you when you first came on to the show?
06:24I've never been jealous of either one.
06:26I mean, it's not just me.
06:27It's me.
06:28It's Jen.
06:29It was Lizzie when she had a...
06:30Oh, God.
06:31You tend to say that a lot.
06:32Yeah, and she does go out, you know, like even beyond the show, I've heard her say it a lot in the press.
06:38Like, oh, she wants my life.
06:39She just...
06:39I don't talk about you.
06:41But you've gone on your podcast a lot and still had things to say.
06:44I don't talk about you, Gretchen.
06:48God.
06:48By the way, I would also argue that with the two of you, I do feel like you're both asked about the other person in interviews and stuff by me a lot of the times.
07:01I do not get asked about her.
07:04Who's that?
07:05Right.
07:05That's all I would say.
07:06Heather Charlotte from Boulder, Colorado said, how did you think Tamara had no ill intent in showing off Jen's photo?
07:14Seems obvious what she was trying to do.
07:16Well, listen, if you had been there, it was a long evening where many things were talked about, including Teddy and what was going on with her.
07:24And there was traumatic conversations that were had.
07:27And in the middle of all of this, she was talking about why Jen wants to be her.
07:32And there was a litany.
07:33She's like, and then she put my hair extensions and she moved next door to me.
07:36Like, I don't know.
07:37But you understand none of that's true.
07:38I do understand.
07:38Not one of those statements is true.
07:40Wait, none of what statements?
07:42That I want to be you, that I was dying to be on the show, that I used your hair extensions.
07:46None of that is true, Tamara.
07:46Okay, but you guys already cleared that up.
07:48You did.
07:48I'm just saying in the realm of this conversation.
07:50I didn't use the hair extensions.
07:51I think we've all established that was a joke.
07:54She put them in temporarily.
07:55And I'm the one who told you about it.
07:56And then she told you about it.
07:57Okay, I don't want to relitigate it.
07:59In the realm of this conversation, it really wasn't the moment to be like, Tamara, that's not okay.
08:05That conversation was so not germane to what the bigger conversation was then.
08:10Can I say something?
08:10What was your real intent with the photo?
08:12Just that Jen had changed?
08:14Because, I mean, we've all changed.
08:16Well, you've all changed.
08:18Yes.
08:19When we were in Temecula, you said it was shady to bring out the photo.
08:22You said, well, yeah, it was shady.
08:24It was shady.
08:25And it wasn't about you being, it wasn't a nice photo.
08:29I mean, I didn't even look great in the picture.
08:31Do you feel like she changed her appearance to look more like you?
08:33That was her, that was what her point was.
08:36She was showing me the photo in that context.
08:38With all due, there is a look in Orange County that is typically pretty blonde.
08:45Yeah.
08:45I mean, it's a look.
08:47No, I apologize and I see that now.
08:52Can I say something about the photo, though?
08:54Yeah.
08:54You said something that really resonated with me.
08:56You said, I don't even care that I don't, I didn't look that great in it or whatever.
09:00You know, I was just at home and I was taking care of all my kids and that's where I was
09:04in life.
09:04You know, like I gained weight this season.
09:06I was going through a lot with Luke.
09:07It was really difficult on me.
09:09I wasn't really taking care of myself.
09:10And I'll see clips and I'm like, oh my gosh, I look so bad.
09:14And I get down on myself.
09:16And I tell you, every time I get down on myself, I go back to what she said.
09:21Whatever fucking photo this is of me being chubby, fat, whatever, show me that picture.
09:25Because whoever is standing in that picture, I am so proud of her.
09:29I didn't give two shits, Emily, about going to the gym when my kids were little.
09:32I was at the park.
09:33I was at home.
09:34I had my kids.
09:35I had foster kids.
09:35And I felt like an amazing mom.
09:37I was just taking care of my kids.
09:39I wasn't in that mindset.
09:41And so I have to, like, be kind to myself.
09:44And I use Jen's words every time.
09:46And I'm like, you were just in it.
09:48You were trying to figure out stuff with your son.
09:50You weren't taking care of yourself.
09:51And so it makes me feel better.
09:53And I just wanted you to know that.
09:54That, like, that really resonated with me.
09:56That's sweet.
09:57Jen Slade.
09:58Sadie.
09:59Sorry.
10:00Jen Slade has a question for you.
10:02Sadie from Savannah, Georgia said, why do you think Tamara can't stop talking shit
10:07about you, even after Ryan's cease and desist?
10:10They talked more about me than I talked about them this season.
10:13After the photo, was there more issues between the two of you?
10:15She said that Jen had an affair.
10:18I've never said I didn't cheat on Will.
10:20Was it the first time or the second time?
10:21What are you talking about?
10:22Okay, well, you probably don't want me to bring it up.
10:24I don't know what you're talking about.
10:25I heard it happened at your old yoga studio with an instructor.
10:31No, Tamara, that's not true.
10:33I've heard that.
10:34See, this is why I can't do this with you.
10:36Just be honest.
10:37It was a rumor.
10:57I'm not proud of it.
10:58I've had an affair on Will, and I'm with Ryan, but I didn't have an affair with any man at
11:02my yoga studio.
11:03And I have no proof of that, and I should have never said that.
11:05I think your go-to is to be like, if you're going to say something, I'm going to throw
11:08something and just see if it sticks.
11:10It gets scary when you do that, because then we don't delve in deep with you with personal
11:13things, because what if you get mad, and if you'll just take some bullshit and throw
11:16it at us, what if you know truth about us?
11:18But you're okay with this one?
11:19Gretchen has not ever done anything like that to me.
11:22Yeah.
11:23Jen, do you have a wedding date yet?
11:25Nope.
11:26Not yet?
11:28Why?
11:28Just taking it slow?
11:30No.
11:31To be honest, you guys all know this.
11:32I'm not in any hurry.
11:33I'm not looking for some big wedding show.
11:36When the kids are home, you guys will catch us on the beach somewhere.
11:39Being engaged is fun.
11:40Same fiance.
11:40Yeah, I was engaged.
11:41I've been engaged for 16 years.
11:44She loves it.
11:44Great.
11:45I actually think Jen's being really smart, and I'm proud of her.
11:48I think they have a great relationship, and I think the fact that she's taking it slow
11:53and thinking about things and wanting her children to be there and not rushing into
11:58it, I think that's really smart.
12:00I think that's kind of a big deal, because you were so hard on her.
12:03Yeah, thank you for saying that.
12:05About the way that she was handling her finances.
12:07You want to walk around with a Rolex on while you owe all of Orange County money.
12:12I'm not selling my watch.
12:13I love my watch.
12:14You're so fucking stupid.
12:16Don't fucking sell it and pay back some of your bills.
12:19I think she's taken some of that to heart, and I think that she thinks more about things.
12:24If something happened, I am now at a point where me and my kids are going to be just fine.
12:29That's great.
12:30That's awesome.
12:31It was very sweet seeing you and Everly talking about the relationship with Ryan.
12:36Is that weird?
12:37Kind of.
12:38Or being married to somebody else?
12:40It's like weird when you're getting married again.
12:42But I'm excited for you.
12:44You don't want me getting married again?
12:45No, I do.
12:47I do.
12:48Has this been a difficult adjustment for her?
12:50I didn't know that.
12:52She has never shared that, and she tells me everything.
12:54And when I saw her get emotional, I thought, oh my gosh.
12:57You know, because when it comes to my kids, if they came to me and said, this doesn't work,
13:01or this job doesn't work, or you and Ryan don't work, my kids have to come first.
13:05And I got a little bit nervous because I thought, oh no, is she not okay with this?
13:10That moment, watching it back, was even hard for me.
13:13But she tells me, Mom, I see you so happy, and I'm so happy for you and Ryan.
13:17And Ryan doesn't really father them.
13:20He's like an addition to.
13:21And that's where I want it.
13:23That's where I want their relationship to be.
13:25Jen, in Amsterdam, you worried if you were going to be enough for Ryan as you got older.
13:32You know, Gina, you mentioned that you kind of felt like Ryan over-sexualizes Jen.
13:37So do you feel like the way that Ryan kind of sexy talks about Jen is the reason that Jen may feel like she's not enough for him?
13:45I just think that Jen was in her marriage, and I think Jen spent a lot of time doing and serving others.
13:52And I think that Jen is having a moment now where she's truly starting to figure out who she is.
13:57And I think that comes with a lot of insecurities.
14:00But do I think that Ryan is going to leave you when you don't look like that?
14:04No, I don't feel that way.
14:05I will tell you, I've never had a best friend as a partner.
14:08I've never had someone spend so much time with me and touch me and love me.
14:12And I think, well, does this end?
14:14Because I'm meeting you later in life.
14:15So are we going to be able to do this forever?
14:18And that is an insecurity I have.
14:20I've been with Shane for 17 years, and his hands are all over me all the time.
14:25Me too.
14:25We're at 29 years.
14:27Reverse Calgary.
14:28Thank you for that, because now Shane asks for that all the time now.
14:30Sorry.
14:31Yeah.
14:31But you get to turn around and face the TV.
14:33That's right.
14:35You must be relieved that the women have come around to getting to know.
14:39Oh, you have no idea.
14:40And by the way, are he and Will?
14:42Ryan and I met with Will, and it was very weird.
14:46But Will sat there, and he owned everything.
14:49Wow.
14:49Oh, that's great.
14:50And can you imagine doing that in front of Ryan?
14:52Does he appreciate the role that Ryan has taken in your kids' lives?
14:57He said that the first time.
14:58He said, I probably needed to say this to you for a long time.
15:01Thank you for taking my kids in.
15:02Wow.
15:03Wow.
15:03He is there with her kids.
15:05And is Will paying any child support?
15:08He actually told me he made a payment to me this month.
15:11I haven't got it yet.
15:12But we're talking now.
15:13Okay, good.
15:14And I'm telling you, Andy, I'll take that.
15:15Like, you told me a long time ago, get rid of the expectation and just try to get into
15:20a co-parenting spot.
15:21I have 100% custody of my kids, and I, for the most part, float our family financially,
15:26and we're just moving in a good co-parenting spot.
15:27That's great.
15:29Gina, why did you express in Amsterdam that you felt that Shannon and Jen have a fake friendship?
15:35Maybe that was a little harsh, but it's just that I was getting mixed messaging, right?
15:40So, like, when I was with Jen, you could say, like, oh, I don't really want that.
15:43But then you would tiptoe around Shannon, and I didn't get that, you know?
15:47Well, you're talking about the bridal.
15:48And I remember I was talking about it, I said, I don't want any traditional wedding
15:51stuff.
15:51It makes me very nervous.
15:52I did that.
15:53But when I learned about it, it was already planned.
15:55And so there's no way I'm going to my friend to say, undo everything you did.
15:59And when I watched it back, what you spent and what you...
16:03No, but Shannon, honestly, I'm not joking.
16:06I couldn't even believe it.
16:07And I feel like I don't deserve that.
16:09Like, this is my second...
16:10Of course you do.
16:11But I'm just saying.
16:11And so I was never going to discredit her or her efforts or her love for me and Ryan.
16:16Do you feel like your friendship with Shannon is one-sided?
16:20You know, I really don't.
16:22Even though I got a little salty there, I understand about that.
16:26I feel like I can say things to Shannon, and I do say things to Shannon.
16:30I think you've said that before, too, that I can say things to her.
16:33When you said, I worry about you, that hurt my feelings.
16:36Because if you were so worried, you would call me or check in on me.
16:39Check in.
16:39I'm good.
16:40And, you know, when she's like, you're creeping back into drinking.
16:43I'm accountable to me today.
16:46So I'm proud of myself, and I'm continuing to improve myself.
16:50That's fair.
16:51And I am sorry for that.
16:53It's all good.
16:54I still do worry about you, though.
16:56Not about that.
16:57Not about that, just in general.
16:59Archie has a brother now.
17:00I have two protectors.
17:01I worry about Emily.
17:02I worry about Jen.
17:03Okay.
17:03But particularly, Jen, as a friend, entering a new phase of life.
17:07I can't imagine what it's like to be an empty nester.
17:10I think you like to worry about her because you're alone.
17:11We all go home to her.
17:11Yeah, you guys, I'm good.
17:13I see my dad twice a week.
17:15I have friends.
17:15We're just worried about you falling all the time.
17:19Oh, oh, oh, shit.
17:22What the fuck?
17:23Oh, shit.
17:25I can't do it.
17:26I'm in the rails.
17:27Oh, my God.
17:30Don't fall.
17:31We need to get her one of those, I've fallen and I can't get up.
17:34The last time I was on the phone with you, you ate shit on the floor.
17:38You know, I worry about you.
17:41Heather, in regards to your friendship with Gina, do you think Gina has a double standard
17:46by accusing you of not always supporting her and then making light of your work to get back into comedy?
17:52Who is telling Heather DeBrow she's funny?
17:54The sales associates at Bergdorf's?
17:56What bothered me was we're both putting ourselves back into the world in some capacity in our careers.
18:04And I thought out of everyone, you'd be the one to go, that's awesome.
18:09I love this for her.
18:10And that's why I was upset.
18:11Heather, I didn't tell you that they're like, oh, everyone is criticizing your career.
18:15I just said they were surprised that you were doing comedy.
18:19And this is my error, right?
18:21I was short-sighted on this.
18:22I did not make the connection between what we were having a little lighthearted laugh about
18:27and your career, and I am sorry for that.
18:30I appreciate that.
18:30I really do.
18:31But like the doubling down in your interview.
18:34I'm sure you were very, very funny when you were on all those sitcoms in 1994.
18:39I'm sure you were.
18:40But I was in fourth grade.
18:42I'm just telling you that every time I...
18:44Very funny.
18:45I love your TikToks with Terry.
18:46Every time I talk about my career over the years on this show...
18:49I understand that's the sense of it.
18:50Someone says something, and it makes me not want to open up.
18:54You told me you want to be a comedy writer.
18:57And my knee-jerk reaction to you is, that is...
19:00Yes.
19:01No, but this...
19:03Hello, I'm answering the question.
19:05I'm sorry.
19:06Sharon was asking for a bathroom break.
19:08I apologize.
19:09But this is important to me.
19:11Yes, I understand.
19:12I felt like it was happening.
19:14But Gina, when people are like, why don't you open up or why don't you share?
19:18But I feel like that's a problem, and I think that's a problem in the group.
19:20She has...
19:21She's the only person in this group that has been on many, many, many sitcoms.
19:26I just want to say.
19:26Well, I don't want to respect for her.
19:27Malibu country aside.
19:29All right.
19:30We're going to leave it there.
19:31We will be right back after this.
19:34Can we use the restroom?
19:35Okay.
19:35Can we take a bathroom break, guys?
19:37Yes.
19:37Oh.
19:38I'm like...
19:38I'm sorry.
19:40I love...
19:40I'm sorry I overreacted.
19:42No, I...
19:43That sounds...
19:43I'm sorry.
19:45Oh, I need the potty.
19:47Coming up...
19:48By the way, where is Slate?
19:50He doesn't want to be doing any of this.
19:51He's on his fourth housewife.
19:53Wow.
19:53And he doesn't want to do this?
19:54I'm the third housewife.
19:58Okay, we need 30 seconds.
20:00I'm so cold.
20:00I hope I'm not getting cracks wet.
20:02It's not...
20:02It's not going to be pretty.
20:04Whoa, Gina, look at you, sexy mama.
20:06You can see your underwear.
20:08Whoa.
20:08Oh.
20:09At least she's wearing some underwear.
20:11It's the only time I wear underwear.
20:12It's really great.
20:13Here we go.
20:14Stand by, everyone.
20:15Five, four, three seconds.
20:19I'm Andy Cohen, back with the Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion.
20:23When it came to extracurricular activities this season,
20:27the OC women proved to be as well-rounded as the oranges they hold.
20:31Take a look.
20:34Wait.
20:35Fuck.
20:35Don't you dare run into me.
20:37Wait.
20:39Stop doing that.
20:40I would classify our group as non-athletes.
20:46Ready?
20:47Come on.
20:47Are you sweating?
20:48Oh, shit.
20:48Oh, my God.
20:49Oh, Tina, look.
20:50Go.
20:51Oh, Lord.
20:52I'm definitely more of the Posh Spice.
20:54Oh.
20:54Shannon, yeah.
20:55Shannon is disheveled Spice.
20:58I fell out of the van.
21:03Love him.
21:04Oh, shit.
21:05Try to put an elbow into the pond.
21:08And then I can get you.
21:09What are you going to do, really, if a big man comes at you?
21:13Chow, chow, chow.
21:14Wait.
21:14Wait, sir.
21:15Let me do my move.
21:16Like, no.
21:17You're fucking dead.
21:18It kind of looks like a sexual position.
21:21Hey, we can start an OnlyPans with this.
21:23This is Orange County, and everyone is obsessed with the newest, latest, and greatest wellness
21:28activities.
21:29Why does it hurt so bad?
21:31Ugh.
21:32How many people have had an orgasm in here?
21:34That's what I want to know.
21:36Why not try whatever the fuck this is?
21:39I feel like I need to call Shane.
21:42All right.
21:42I want one of those.
21:43You're so funny.
21:43You're so extra.
21:45That's right.
21:45Holiday gift.
21:46So, what is the purpose of a lymphatic drainage massage?
21:52It seems like an excuse to have an orgasm.
21:57I mean, that was the only benefit I found from it at all, so.
22:00Did you have one?
22:02Have an orgasm?
22:03Yeah.
22:03No, but if I stayed longer.
22:05Right.
22:06It just went down.
22:07It lowered the light.
22:08I felt like I was watching something.
22:10Yeah.
22:10Really?
22:11It was amazing.
22:11I was like, I don't know if I'm ready to see my ladies like this.
22:15I mean, it was wild.
22:18She's still smiling.
22:20Gretchen, Lisa in Florida wants to know, what was with the Tomb Raider outfit and long fake
22:24braid when target shooting?
22:26I like a theme.
22:27What does one wear to tactical?
22:29I like a theme.
22:30I don't know.
22:31I just think it makes it fun.
22:32Okay, but can I just say what was so funny about her outfit was she kept telling us about
22:36how serious it was and how serious she takes this in the self-defense.
22:40It's very serious.
22:41We are women.
22:43We have to be careful.
22:44This is very important.
22:46And then we're women.
22:46And then I show up like that.
22:47And then she shows up with the brain.
22:48And I'm like, Elsa meets Laura Croft.
22:52Laura Croft.
22:53Don't go near anything flammable with that hair.
22:55Jen, Sandra in Albuquerque said, girl, what else are you doing to get that tone?
23:00I could do hot yoga and crunches for the rest of my life and not have your abs.
23:04It's very impressive.
23:05Oh, well, that's so nice.
23:07Yeah.
23:08I will say, I feel like we stop lifting weights as we get older and we need to lift weights
23:12and I feel like we need to pick up heavier weights.
23:14You're strong though.
23:15Yeah.
23:16She's dense.
23:17Like I've tried to pick her up before and I thought she would be light because she's so
23:21petite.
23:21And I was like, struggling.
23:23I was like, I'm not a small fry.
23:25Emily, Ellen in Las Vegas wants to know what Shane thought when he saw you on TV having
23:31the ride of your life.
23:37First of all, I was a victim of dry humping.
23:41I was not initiating it.
23:43I was a victim of dry humping.
23:45I've ever heard.
23:47Shane said, I did not like watching that, but I'm just going to let it go.
23:53Smart man.
23:54It gave me flashbacks of when Bronwyn had the breast weaning party and she had a stripper
24:00there too.
24:07Or my bachelorette party.
24:08Oh boy.
24:09That Gretchen hired the guys.
24:11Oh my gosh.
24:12The ear fucker.
24:13But that was actually so funny, but that was way too much.
24:16Actually, that was the most fun I think that Tamara and I had.
24:19Remember the guys were like banging our ears with their penises.
24:22We were like ear fucked.
24:23Oh my God.
24:26I didn't know the Mexican strippers would be crazy.
24:29I've never seen a cock ring before.
24:31And he showed it.
24:33Ew.
24:33You hired that person.
24:34That was not my vision when I said have strippers come.
24:38What's the purpose of a cock ring?
24:39It makes your dick look bigger.
24:40Oh.
24:41It just makes it look bigger?
24:43I think so.
24:43Or it actually helps with sexual activity?
24:45I don't know.
24:46I don't use them.
24:47And I'm not in this.
24:50Let's take a break.
24:52I need water in the worst way.
24:53We're taking lunch, guys.
24:55Oh, God.
24:56I got to stand up for a night.
24:58Oh.
24:58Let's get my little wedgie out.
25:01All the things.
25:02Hello.
25:10How are you?
25:11Good to see you.
25:12I think I'm good.
25:13Do you want a ride, Andy?
25:15I'm back.
25:16I'm at stage.
25:17What are you getting your Postmates?
25:20Okay, bye.
25:21Off we go.
25:27Bye.
25:29Oh, my God.
25:30Thank God you're here.
25:31Really?
25:32Really?
25:33Mm-hmm.
25:34No good?
25:35Um, I don't know, actually.
25:39I don't want to cry.
25:41Knock, knock.
25:42Who goes there?
25:44Some girl eating chicken.
25:45Not your cat.
25:46Oh, my God.
25:49Is it Andy?
25:50Um, why are you eating chicken?
25:52Because I brought my own food.
25:54Wow, this is why you look like you do.
25:55Milk pepper.
25:56You look amazing.
25:58You're beautiful as always.
25:59How is Tamara been?
26:03Great.
26:04So, what is up with her hatred for me?
26:08Tamara?
26:08Yeah.
26:09I don't know.
26:09Because I think you don't, you won't acquiesce to her.
26:12Now, I'm going to be, I'm ready to be friends again.
26:14It's like I'm pushing a button in her because she's like, oh, no.
26:17She's going, oh, jeez.
26:19She's like, oh, I was like, what are you doing?
26:24Stop talking.
26:25Shut up.
26:25No one wants to hear what you have to say.
26:27No one's talking to you.
26:28I'm not talking to you.
26:29Because that's part of this process, girl.
26:31Let me finish this, girl.
26:33I'm on a show where you express your opinions.
26:37And I'm going to express.
26:37I'm just a little overwhelmed, I think.
26:41What's going on?
26:43Just Jen.
26:44We addressed Jen calling me a con artist.
26:46She's like, I don't know if I did or didn't.
26:48She's getting married to a guy who did a deal with the feds.
26:52She's calling you a con artist.
26:54Me.
26:54Remember last night when I text you and I was like, Nicole was with fucking Katie?
27:00Ryan just called me.
27:01So Matt and Nicole are driving to take Matt to his prison or whatever you want to call it.
27:06Prison, I guess.
27:07And Ryan said, babe, I'm so glad you called me.
27:11I just talked to Nicole and Nicole said, that chick is weird.
27:14Nicole did not know she was coming.
27:16She went straight up to Nicole and said,
27:18Can I ask you something?
27:20I can tell us not to lie.
27:22Why did you call us?
27:23They go book your house.
27:25And Katie goes, ugh, like gave this, like, not the answer she wanted.
27:29Nicole said it was so fucking obvious that she'd been thinking and then just kept on.
27:33And to know she went there to pump Nicole for information so she and Tamara can go sit out there like some United front, she's going to fuck herself.
27:41But then she told Nicole, they really want you on the show, so let's get together because I can get you with casting.
27:48Are you going to say that?
27:49Yes, literally, Shannon, I just had this phone call.
27:51I want to take off the stress and chill and maybe another martini.
27:55Oh, martinis sound amazing.
27:56I know.
27:58I love you.
27:58I love you.
28:03I swear because I ate lunch and I sound like I started to go.
28:06You walked in with a Ziploc baggie and shredded chicken.
28:11Yeah.
28:11And you're bloating from that?
28:12Yes.
28:12Anytime I eat, I bloat.
28:14How's your torso doing?
28:15It hurts so bad.
28:16I can see the bony.
28:18I don't know how the women did it back then.
28:21I know.
28:21That's why they fainted all the time.
28:24Looking at Andy.
28:25Three, two.
28:26Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Orange County reunion.
28:31When Gretchen returned, so did the decade-plus old drama known as Naked Wasted.
28:37And as new rumors and allegations threatened to rekindle a war between Tamara and Gretchen,
28:43Katie and Jen's friendship got caught in the crossfire.
28:46Let's watch.
28:47You guys, cheers to us getting together.
28:51I slid into Gretchen's DMs.
28:54I think all I had to say was Tamara S.O.S., and I got a call right away.
28:58I heard you were asking Kiki to put out stories.
29:04I did not.
29:06Katie said that you told her that I roofied you.
29:09We're not going to waste it, Naked Wasted.
29:11Tamara!
29:13You've never gone to a blogger and ever said anything.
29:16I'm not going to just lie.
29:18Did you ever share that story with her?
29:20You told us the whole story at Mastro's.
29:22Gretchen never said she got roofied.
29:25But she heard it, and so did Ryan, multiple times.
29:27Did you tell Kiki that Gretchen said she was drugged and hospitalized?
29:31No.
29:31You failed it.
29:32Did Gretchen tell you she was drugged and hospitalized?
29:35Yes.
29:36She failed that one.
29:37You are literally making this up.
29:39No, I'm not.
29:40Jen, Slade was there.
29:41Slade even called Matt and said, don't share this.
29:44No, he did not.
29:44If you go back to Mastro's, did you hear Slade talking about any of this Naked Wasted stuff?
29:49Yeah.
29:50Look at the amount of calls.
29:53You don't think he's not trying to manipulate this whole situation?
29:56The lies that they tell are nonstop, and I'm tired of it.
30:00I'm especially sad about Jen.
30:01Because she didn't stick up for you.
30:03Why do you look at me?
30:04I'm not lying.
30:05I am exhausted mentally with trying to cover up for Gretchen and Slade.
30:11And quite frankly, Jen.
30:12How dare you tell this lie?
30:14Like, I feel so dumb.
30:15I feel so duped.
30:16You and I have had so many conversations.
30:20Yeah.
30:20What am I missing?
30:22Jen, come on.
30:23Trust me when I tell you.
30:25I would have remembered if Tamara drugged Gretchen and she went to the hospital.
30:30I told the truth, and that's all I can do.
30:32The truth always comes to light.
30:34And Gretchen's gonna know that I'm not covering for her anymore.
30:37Who are you gonna believe?
30:39I mean, like...
30:40Okay, Jen, you seem to have a real connection with Katie.
30:45Have you two spoken since all this went down?
30:48No, not really.
30:50That's too bad.
30:51I mean, you really did have a real friendship.
30:52We really did, for sure.
30:54Do you miss each other's friendship?
30:56There's things that are confusing to me, so I don't know what was real.
31:00I thought it was real.
31:01There's things that I don't understand with Katie that don't make sense inside of a real friendship.
31:07Katie, do you miss your friendship with Jen?
31:09Of course I do.
31:10Did you feel hung out to draw?
31:12Of course I did.
31:13I defended you all last year about all the Ryan stuff, about the things that are coming out about in the FBI.
31:18I would defend you till the end of the earth until it didn't do anything.
31:21Nothing makes sense anymore.
31:22Jen, I didn't need you to make sense of you and Ryan's situation.
31:25No, I needed you to make sense.
31:26Because I didn't care.
31:26I needed you to make sense.
31:27I kept saying, what goes on in your bank account in your bedroom is literally none of my business.
31:32I'm gonna defend my friend.
31:33If she tells me this is true, then this is true.
31:35And that's what I was looking for.
31:36Gretchen and Jen, Preston in Chicago,
31:38says, you posted a video that was deemed culturally insensitive towards Asians.
31:43You immediately took it down.
31:45Was it aimed at Katie?
31:47No.
31:47Are you?
31:48No.
31:48She's Asian.
31:48It was not aimed at me.
31:49But it was not appropriate.
31:53And I did say, you posted it, but it was the actions that you did and the voices or the noises that you were making.
31:58And you blamed me for that.
32:00I blamed you for what?
32:01You said, how dare you think that it's racist.
32:04You and I knew each other better than that.
32:06How dare you?
32:07When we've had so many conversations about you being raised and me raising an adopted child.
32:12They alerted me.
32:13How dare you?
32:14Did you apologize to her after the video was out?
32:17No.
32:17You did.
32:17Oh, Gretchen did?
32:18I would have never done anything to offend you in that way.
32:21I can't believe after two years you felt that way.
32:24You didn't want to offend me, but then after it was taken down, you blamed me for it.
32:26Let me ask you a question.
32:27I mean, what were you thinking posting that?
32:30I didn't, obviously.
32:31And I did not think.
32:33You know what?
32:34I didn't think.
32:34I feel I'm sorry to anyone I offended with that.
32:38Katie, you said that you did get an apology from Gretchen, but it was through chat.
32:42What does that mean?
32:43It was AI.
32:44You can tell.
32:45Oh, you mean she asked chat GPT how to apologize?
32:48We put it into an AI indicator.
32:50I mean, it doesn't even sound like you.
32:51You're like, warm regards, Gretchen.
32:53If you want me to read it, it is literally not you.
32:55I can't believe you're saying that.
32:56Are you serious?
32:57That's what you're going to say to me?
32:58It doesn't even sound like you.
33:00Wow.
33:01Wait, there's a thing you can put stuff in?
33:03Yes, of course.
33:05It's like, no, no, but I didn't know there's a way you can test.
33:09It's like trying to find a lab diamond, right?
33:13Gretchen, anything else you want to say about it?
33:15Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry I hurt you.
33:18That's the bottom line, because that was not the intent.
33:21Katie, do you accept their apologies?
33:24Um, yes, thank you.
33:27All right, we're going to take a break.
33:32Coming up.
33:34I'm in the same seat you're in, Katie.
33:36So I fucked with your paycheck?
33:38I didn't fuck with your paycheck.
33:39I was your friend.
33:41Oh, this is crazy.
33:43We're back with more of the Real Housewives of Orange County reunion.
33:50Kristen from Tennessee said,
33:52Jen, why was it so easy for you to drop Katie over failing the lie detector test,
33:57while at the same time giving Gretchen a pass for misspeaking on the very subject Katie was iced out for?
34:04I would never have dropped Katie.
34:05That was the most real friendship I ever had within this friend group.
34:09And what people don't know is Katie and I talked every single day.
34:12You always have like an ear to the ground.
34:14And then some of the stories were getting a lot on the women.
34:17And Katie and I would say...
34:19What does that mean, a lot on the women?
34:20Like, she always knew things about their families or them or...
34:23What?
34:24You would say shit to me too.
34:26Yes.
34:27You would.
34:27Absolutely.
34:28So it's not just a one-sided thing.
34:29I'm not saying fake shit.
34:29I'm not saying fake shit.
34:31I had shit for sure.
34:32We talked about things.
34:33Exactly.
34:33So don't make it.
34:34I'm just bringing you all this shit.
34:36Okay, okay.
34:37So you are so hell-bent on this Rufy story at Mastro's.
34:41Yes.
34:42Like, you're going to hold to this.
34:43Jen, you were there.
34:44Jen, you were there.
34:45You used stories to validate through me.
34:47Because you were.
34:47I was looking to my dear friend to back me up.
34:48Because I would have done that for you.
34:50She wasn't even on the show at that time?
34:51Exactly.
34:52So why would I make that up?
34:53I just want to reset for everybody how all of this naked, wasted drama came back to life on the show.
35:00Okay?
35:01Because it is a little confusing, even for me.
35:05Gretchen and Slade, Katie and Matt, and Jen and Ryan went to dinner at Mastro's, which happened last year, months before filming started on this season.
35:15Before Gretchen was even on.
35:16Okay.
35:17Katie alleges that Gretchen said that night that she was drugged and went to the hospital.
35:24Correct.
35:24Okay.
35:25Gretchen and Jen claim that Gretchen said that she felt like she could have gone to the hospital.
35:32Do I have that right so far?
35:33Okay.
35:34Jen, Audrey in Delaware said you first said you didn't know much about naked, wasted, but then you remembered that Gretchen said she was really sick.
35:42How do you recall such a specific detail if you first claimed you know nothing about it?
35:47I don't know.
35:47I've never seen the episode to this day.
35:49All I can tell you is she said she was so sick to me that she should have gone to the hospital.
35:52The day before you said you've never heard about this.
35:55Wow, naked, wasted.
35:57I don't even feel like I know much about that.
35:58And then the next day you gave details.
36:01She said she was so, um, from drinks.
36:04Yeah.
36:04You were so sick.
36:05I was really sick.
36:06You were, she was really sick.
36:07I felt really sick.
36:08Not that she was roofied.
36:10Gretchen had never told me in any of the times that she was roofied by you, that she was sent to the hospital by you.
36:15I had never heard that.
36:16But then, um, whenever Gretchen and I did talk about it, when everything came up, she told me I was so sick, I probably could have gone to the hospital.
36:22Gretchen, we got a lot of questions about this one.
36:25Amy in Atlanta said, how can you claim to have misspoken about going to the hospital when it's clear that you said it on camera in the car in New Orleans?
36:33And I completely understand why people feel that way.
36:36Because you said it.
36:37Yeah, and I take full responsibility for that miscommunication.
36:39Um, I think that sometimes what happens when people are reliving a traumatic experience or getting a lot of new information, sometimes you say words that you don't intend to say.
36:49So, I misspoken up.
36:51When you're blindsided like that, all of us are guilty of misspeaking.
36:54I don't know if you remember that.
36:55But that's not misspeaking.
36:57That is not misspeaking.
36:58I said, don't tell, accuse me of things I do.
37:01I meant to say don't do it.
37:02But you say things.
37:03When someone calls Shane Sean, that's misspeaking.
37:08Yeah, but that's why I said sometimes you use words.
37:10You know what I, honestly, my perception of what happened is I feel it snowballed because I feel like she's told it over and over and over.
37:17And then she got on the show.
37:18And it gets embellished and it gets changed and it gets added.
37:22And I never said the word.
37:23Gretchen passed the lie detector test saying she didn't go to the hospital.
37:26Well, she passed because she didn't go to the hospital.
37:28Right.
37:28I mean, if Gretchen went to the hospital 15 years ago, we would have seen it.
37:32Right, right, right.
37:33I would have thought you would have heard about it at that reunion that year.
37:38But then Katie takes it a second step and says that Gretchen said that she had a toxicology report.
37:43That's how she explained it to me.
37:44That came back and said it was positive.
37:45That would have absolutely come out years ago.
37:47But it was a lie.
37:48I would have said, I would have been screaming that from the top of the mountaintops.
37:52Right, right.
37:53Well, a few of the ladies' significant others were also snagged in the naked-waisted web.
37:58And we thought it would be only right for them to give their side of the story.
38:03We did extend invitations to Slade, Ryan, and Matt.
38:07Slade and Ryan declined our invite.
38:10Matt Janela is here.
38:12Let's welcome him.
38:13Hey, Matt.
38:14Where do you want him to sit?
38:15I think next to you.
38:17Okay.
38:18Hi, Andy.
38:18Hopefully next to me.
38:20Very offended I'm this far away from you.
38:22Oh, that's nice.
38:23That's nice.
38:24You can have my seat.
38:24I appreciate it.
38:26I'm glad you're on the mend, by the way.
38:28That sounds very scary.
38:29It was.
38:30It was.
38:30He had dozens of blood clots in his lungs and his legs.
38:34Whoa.
38:34He's all better.
38:35Better.
38:36Okay.
38:36Better.
38:37So, obviously, there was a big discrepancy between Slade and Matt's account of the phone
38:43call that happened between them while the ladies were in New Orleans.
38:47Matt, you said you had a 43-minute conversation with Slade,
38:50claiming he was directing you to tell Katie to hold the line regarding the naked-waisted story.
38:57So, he wanted you to hold the line that she had been to the hospital or that she had been roofied
39:04or hold which line?
39:06Well, if we go back to Mastro's, I don't know anything about naked-waisted.
39:10I don't know anything about anything.
39:11This was a story that illustrated to us, from them, how dangerous Tamra could be.
39:21Okay.
39:21And what she's capable of.
39:23Okay.
39:23And it went into great detail about this night that led to a drugging and hospital.
39:32Okay.
39:32So, but in terms of holding the line, they're in New Orleans.
39:36Yes.
39:37And I get a text from Slade.
39:40911, hey bro, 911.
39:42He said, hey bro, I kind of got a 911, give me a call.
39:45That's what it said.
39:46No, I know what it says.
39:47Yeah.
39:47Thank you for the detail.
39:48Oh.
39:49So, he texts me.
39:52Matt's ready.
39:53Yeah.
39:53Well, this is being called a liar.
39:55Yes.
39:56Okay.
39:57Which is why I'm here.
39:58Yes.
39:58I'm here to talk to them.
40:00Okay.
40:01And they didn't show up.
40:02Okay.
40:03Because all this happened.
40:04Okay.
40:04Wait, Matt, Ryan didn't want to show up because.
40:07Anyway, I'm just saying that.
40:09Wow.
40:09The hold the line.
40:10No, I'm here to tell this story.
40:12You sure are.
40:13I think a lot of this is rude.
40:14It is, Matt.
40:15Calling people liars is rude.
40:17And I'm being called a liar as well.
40:18I'm being called a liar too.
40:19So, when people lie, you get held accountable.
40:21And you probably don't want to bring up conversation that you had that night at dinner.
40:25And I'm not going to go there either.
40:26Oh, I'll go there.
40:27Ryan didn't show up.
40:27Because you were the first person that said, the second I met Eddie, he was gay.
40:32Okay.
40:33I don't want to talk to any of them.
40:34I was going to tell you.
40:35They were all sitting there.
40:36They were all sitting there.
40:37This one's been fucking doing it to him for 15 years.
40:39You knew it.
40:40You said that.
40:41You literally said.
40:42You want to get into it?
40:44You want to get into it?
40:45With another man?
40:46The second I met Eddie, I knew he was gay.
40:50You were talking shit about them.
40:52You were the one that said it.
40:53You want to get into it?
40:55You are talking so much shit.
40:58Mm-mm.
40:59You probably don't want to bring up conversation that you had that night at dinner.
41:08And I'm not going to go there either.
41:09Oh, I'll go there.
41:10Because you were the first person that said, the second I met Eddie, he was gay.
41:14And you knew it.
41:14You said that.
41:15You guys told us that this guy.
41:16You want to get into it?
41:18You want to get into it?
41:20With another man.
41:21The second I met Eddie, I knew he was gay.
41:24That, you were talking shit about them like I've never seen.
41:28You want to get into it?
41:29You are talking so much shit.
41:31What are you talking about?
41:32Okay, so you spoke to Slade, and you were just about to land the plane of that conversation.
41:36So Slade says, listen, Katie talked to Kiki Monique.
41:41Katie just sealed her own fate.
41:43That story was never supposed to come out.
41:45No, he said, did Katie talk to Kiki Monique?
41:47Were you on the call?
41:48No, but Slade told me what happened.
41:50You're the biggest liar of them all, so stop.
41:52Okay, all right.
41:53Go ahead, Matt.
41:55So I'm like, shit, I need to get a hold of Katie.
41:58This was never supposed to come out.
42:00Katie told a blogger.
42:02That's not what it was said.
42:03Okay.
42:04So I called Katie.
42:08There's phone logs, there's text messages.
42:10You said on the show that Slade called you 20 times in a row.
42:14We pulled our phone records.
42:15We have the call log.
42:15That is not true.
42:16And you said you had a 43-minute...
42:18You think we're making it up?
42:18Yes, of course I do, because you've been proven to be a liar many times.
42:21Do you watch the show?
42:22And I have my Verizon records, that production has a thing of it.
42:26I have AT&T.
42:27It's a very similar thing.
42:29And guess what? Slade called you once.
42:30You called him back.
42:31The phone call was for 11 minutes.
42:33I'm telling this, I'm telling the conversation I had with Slade.
42:36Let him do it for George so he can go.
42:38Okay.
42:39And I called Katie.
42:41Slade just called.
42:42Shit isn't the fan.
42:43Did you say this to Kiki?
42:44No.
42:44Okay, well, it got out and Slade is saying that you've got to stick with Gretchen, hold the line, and that never was said.
42:54Okay, what did Slade tell you about that conversation that differs from your point of view?
42:59So when Slade called, he was like, now we're hearing that not only are you still talking to bloggers,
43:05but now you're talking to bloggers and making up stories about us.
43:08And then you said, no, Slade, I swear that did not happen, that did not happen.
43:12And then Slade said to you, okay, you as my friend, I'm going to choose to believe you guys,
43:18because you've never shown us to not be truthful to us.
43:22You're saying that this is what Slade said to me?
43:23No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on.
43:25This is what Slade said to me, how the conversation went.
43:28And by the way, Katie, when you came into the room in New Orleans.
43:31I was protecting you.
43:32No.
43:33No.
43:33Katie, I literally looked at you.
43:35I go, you would never go to a blogger and make up the story.
43:37Who told you to do that?
43:38Who told you?
43:38I called and said, Slade called and said, hold the line.
43:41No, but he did not say hold the line.
43:43Stay with Gretchen.
43:44Protect Gretchen.
43:45It's in text, Gretchen.
43:46It's in text.
43:47No, you text to him.
43:48Shit.
43:49You're manipulating what was said.
43:51You're manipulating.
43:52You are manipulating.
43:52You literally lie on camera.
43:53You are.
43:54You're manipulating it.
43:55And you say you're misspoke.
43:56Okay, can I just point out one thing?
43:59Kiki Monique is a podcaster, not a blogger.
44:01And she also has a show on Radio Andy, okay?
44:04So why did Kiki go to a guy from the Daily Mail to ask him these questions
44:09when she could have went straight to Sheena, who's good friends with Gretchen?
44:14Well, how does Sheena factor into this?
44:17Wait, this is the question.
44:19Because they have a podcast together.
44:20No, that's how you spin things so people can't follow it.
44:22I'm not spinning things.
44:23I wonder, hold on.
44:24It's not about spinning things.
44:25Hold on.
44:26How did Sheena Shea figure into this?
44:28There's like this whole thread, I guess, of, I haven't seen it because I'm blocked.
44:33Okay.
44:34They sent it to me and Matt.
44:35This woman has a timeline of all this stuff.
44:37Okay.
44:37Shows pictures of Gretchen and Sheena being friends for many, many years.
44:40And then I did two teas in a pod and Teddy said, have you heard this rumor?
44:44Who knows if this is true, but I was told that Gretchen and Sheena are very tight.
44:49Yes.
44:50And that Sheena told Kiki.
44:53I have heard that from multiple people too.
44:55There's clips of Sheena calling Gretchen with Kiki on their podcast together saying,
45:00how do we get you back on the show?
45:02You're saying that Sheena was somehow plotting to get Gretchen back on the show?
45:07That is the rumor I heard.
45:08I just confirmed that I heard this rumor.
45:10Well, can I just point out that the reason Gretchen is on the show is that she was on
45:16Girls Trip and we were all like, wow, it's great to see Gretchen again.
45:20It would be fun if she was back on the show.
45:23I wonder if she would do it.
45:24That's how it happened.
45:25Well, I'm just reiterating what it says on this thread.
45:29But by the way, if this had happened 15 years ago when this naked, wasted thing happened,
45:34it would have been quite a huge deal that we all would have dealt with in the time.
45:40And I would have been calling the cops.
45:44I would have been making a big deal of it.
45:46It's a lie.
45:47She's making a lot of lies about it.
45:48It's a lie.
45:49It's a lie.
45:50It's a lie.
45:50I would have never come back on the show with somebody that I actually thought of this.
45:56Of course you wouldn't.
45:56Of course you wouldn't.
45:57That's my point.
45:58I never said that.
46:00Gretchen, when Katie met with Tamara, she showed Tamara a text that Katie sent you saying,
46:04I will swear on my life not to bring that up.
46:07I text her and I literally told her I will not share that.
46:10Why would I text her that?
46:11You said it.
46:12You're a liar.
46:13He was trying to shut you down.
46:14Correct.
46:15So I was like trying to cover, you know, for my friend.
46:19What was my response to that?
46:20You didn't respond because you didn't want to put it in text.
46:22Oh, okay.
46:23Good.
46:23And what was she referring to?
46:25Yeah, then what would I have been referring to?
46:26Actually, that's why there was no response.
46:28I thought you actually sent me a text that was meant for somebody else.
46:31I had no idea what you were even talking about.
46:33I swear I will not bring that up.
46:34And it was right after I called you and you gave the phone to Ryan and we called Slade.
46:38It was that same day.
46:39I have a date.
46:40It reminds me of the, did Heather call the paparazzi?
46:42Yes.
46:43Right, right.
46:44By the way, where is Slade?
46:46Why didn't Slade come?
46:47It is interesting.
46:48He usually doesn't shy from the camera.
46:50Well, because everyone accuses Slade of wanting to be on camera and wanting to be a housewife
46:54and wanting to be involved in everything.
46:56And he's like, I don't want to be accused of that.
46:58But doesn't he want to tell the truth?
47:00His truth?
47:00No, he absolutely does, but he can go do that many other ways.
47:03He doesn't want to be doing any of this.
47:04He's on his fourth housewife.
47:06No, I'm the third housewife.
47:08Wow.
47:08That's not, let's not say that.
47:10His mom's about to, to his mom's about.
47:12That's, that's, that's, that's his mom.
47:14That's his mom.
47:14I don't care.
47:15I've got an issue with Slade.
47:17He's not here.
47:17That's why I came.
47:18Okay, well, then call Slade.
47:19Call Slade and have an issue with him.
47:21And Ryan would meet you whenever.
47:22Then why hasn't he reached out to Matt ever since?
47:24I've heard from Ryan how many times?
47:25Zero.
47:25How many of you, times have you reached out to Ryan?
47:27It goes both ways.
47:28I'm the one that has not filmed.
47:29You're not the victims.
47:30I'm in the same seat you're in, Katie.
47:33I'm in the same position.
47:33So I fucked with your paycheck and your livelihood.
47:36If I did that to you.
47:37Wait, what?
47:38Jen, I had to stop filming.
47:40If you would have stuck up for me, even the littlest bit, do you think that that would have happened?
47:44I fucked with your paycheck?
47:45Are you serious?
47:46Are you serious?
47:46You're on this cast.
47:47Hold on.
47:48That has nothing to do with Jen.
47:49I fucked with your paycheck?
47:50Jen, yes.
47:52Katie, that has nothing to do with any of us.
47:54That has nothing to do with Jen.
47:55That has nothing to do with Jen.
47:55That had nothing to do with Jen.
47:55That had nothing to do with us.
47:56And the fact that you tried to put that on YouTube is completely unfair.
47:57So the fact that I had calls about how if Jen and I could have stayed aligned in the slightest,
48:02then I could have kept filming.
48:03I'm not here to be in alignment.
48:04I was here to be your friend.
48:05Right, and a real friend would have called me that night if we had stayed aligned.
48:08If the tables were turned, I would have checked on you.
48:10Okay, hold on.
48:11Everyone's telling you at once.
48:12Oof, this is crazy.
48:14I stuck up for you all the time, and I was always happy to do it.
48:17I watched.
48:17I didn't one time.
48:18One time, because I told you at coffee.
48:21I said, Katie, it's getting messy around you.
48:23You've got to start taking ownership.
48:24You've got to figure out you want to be in this friend group.
48:27I didn't own all the things that I needed to own, Jen.
48:28I looked in your face, and I told you that.
48:30I'm also a person in our friendship.
48:32Of course you are.
48:33I also suffered a lot.
48:33I lost you.
48:34Something I believed in.
48:35A friendship I loved.
48:37A person I loved.
48:38So I didn't fuck with your paycheck.
48:44Next week, the reunion concludes.
48:49You thought you heard the theme song?
48:51Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
48:53No.
48:53She thought she has production.
48:54She has to point it in the corner.
48:56A lot of accounts in these posts were tied to Tamra.
48:59It's fucked up!
49:00Bring on the tears.
49:01You're an asshole.
49:02You're an asshole.
49:03I'm going to show you an interaction after cameras went down.
49:06I have never done this!
49:08This is life-destroying.
49:09This has got to stop.
49:11This is not what this show's about.
49:13Katie and Tamra, no wonder they're friends.
49:15They're the same person.
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