00:00Welcome to SAM Conversation, a program of South Asia Monitor. Our guest this evening,
00:14it is our pleasure to welcome Lieutenant General Vinod Bhatia, a very seasoned old paratrooper
00:24of the Special Forces, who was the Director General Military Operations and then the Director
00:33of the Center for Joint Warfare Studies. Our topic today is a look at Bangladesh where
00:44we see a convergence of Pakistan with its infamous ISI, Inter-Services Intelligence, and of course
00:58the backing of the Chinese. As far as Pakistan is concerned, after this government of sorts
01:09that has come up with a lot of violence and headed by Muhammad Yunus, the ISI, the Pakistan
01:21and the ISI have finally, you know, been able to make an entry again into Bangladesh, where
01:30they had a very, very strong presence in days when Khalidazia was in power, when the Bangladesh
01:37Nationalist Party was in power. And it is during that period that ISI supported a number of our
01:53Indian insurgent turned, insurgent groups which they converted to terrorism. Example, United Liberation
02:03Nationalist Front of Assam Alpha, United National Liberation Front of Manipur, the NSCN, the National
02:12Socialist Council of Nagaland, often referred to as Nagalim. These are some of the three but they were
02:21more and they converted these, what were classic insurgent groups to terrorists, you know, proper terrorist groups.
02:33Anyway, they have made a presence there again. And in also it's a, it's a little disturbing to, to hear about the death of a US Army officer,
02:48the death of a US Army officer in Dhaka, in a hotel, on 30th August. There's lots of inputs about, you know, this
03:01Pakistani presence in the Chinese and I wouldn't go into it.
03:10Vinod, I request you to throw some light from your side.
03:16Vinod, thank you sir, Jahan. And always a pleasure and an honour to be on Sam's conversation sir, especially with you. My senior from the Caribbean days and always a learning experience, talking to you. Thank you sir.
03:28No sir, coming straight to the point. Bangladesh I think is, is one neighbour which is very critical and important to India's interests, especially in the North East.
03:38we share the longest
03:41land border with Bangladesh
03:43at 409 6 kilometers
03:45Bangladesh also
03:47dominates the Siluguri corridor
03:49which is 24 by 22 kilometers wide
03:51and the Siluguri corridor
03:53is the only land connector
03:54land bridge between 8 and a half
03:57states it's not the seven sisters
03:59because we also have Sekemp
04:00and North Bengal
04:038 and a half states
04:04it's 5 and a half crore people
04:06and since you know
04:08you talked about the Begum Zia
04:09times when the Indian
04:12were given open shelter
04:14in North
04:16Bangladesh and
04:18West Bangladesh
04:20very close
04:22to a border and immigration took place
04:25immigrants are there whether you call it
04:26economic immigration you call it otherwise
04:28and the Kishangai sector which is the
04:30narrowest point
04:31has had a demographic shift with 70%
04:34now more than 70% followers of the faith of Islam
04:39and many of them are from Bangladesh
04:41Bangladesh immigration also upset the population
04:47demographic patterns in North Bengal
04:50and East Bengal
04:52and in Assamos
04:53similarly they also have a border with
04:56Mizoram
04:56and Manipur
04:58the only one
04:59you know
04:59three sides is India
05:01only 100 kilometers with Myanmar
05:03and
05:04now if you look at it
05:06sir
05:06we
05:06the liberation of Bangladesh
05:08in 1971
05:09we helped the
05:12the Bangladeshis
05:13after Operation Searchlight
05:15where it was believed that over 3 million
05:18people died
05:20they were raped
05:21and Operation Searchlight
05:23was the aim of the Pakistani army
05:25to change the DNA of
05:29Bemalis
05:30yes
05:31how can
05:32how can
05:33you know
05:34Muslims have red beards
05:38and dark skin and all
05:39so that
05:40that was one of the aims of Operation Searchlight
05:42sir
05:43and
05:43despite that
05:44if you look at it
05:4571
05:46Bangladesh had a very
05:47sort of a
05:49checkered sort of a thing
05:50and
05:51Sheikh Muzibar Rahman
05:53the father of the nation
05:53now
05:54stands
05:55mildly destroyed
05:57with Sheikh Hasina
05:58who were
05:59who were in a
06:00fourth term
06:015th of August
06:022024
06:03she was ousted
06:04and if you look at the
06:05it was
06:07a
06:08very sad sight
06:09to see
06:09Mujibu Rahman
06:11statue being
06:12attempted to be
06:13demolished
06:14by
06:15by
06:16some gundas
06:17by
06:17yes
06:17but if you see the
06:18if you see the playbooks
06:19a similar thing happened in Sri Lanka
06:20similar thing happened in
06:22Bangladesh
06:23similar thing happened in Nepal
06:25so
06:25you know
06:26surrounding India
06:27the toolkit remains the same
06:29the modus operandi remains the same
06:31so
06:31you know
06:32India
06:33is a risen
06:34responsible
06:35resurgent nation today
06:36it is a
06:38regional power
06:39and a global leader
06:40so I think that is not being digested by
06:42many of the
06:44you know
06:45the mega powers I would say
06:46I would not say super powers
06:47the mega powers
06:47absolutely
06:48absolutely
06:49no doubt
06:49no doubt
06:50and China would like
06:52you know
06:52Shingok Pulse is a whole
06:53plurio China
06:54and they would like to contain India
06:56but at the same time
06:57I think
06:58in the
06:58all
06:59geopolitical
07:00outlook
07:01if you already see
07:03China is going to challenge the US
07:05for the
07:05you know
07:07for the unipolar world
07:08China wants a bipolar world
07:09India wants a multipolar world
07:10and the USA wants a unipolar world
07:13not a bipolar world
07:15so when China challenged the USA
07:17I think it will need India
07:18if not an anti-China India
07:21it is a neutral India
07:22it can't afford an anti-China India
07:24right sir
07:25so that is why
07:25I always called Galwan
07:27Chinese Himalayan blunder
07:29if you look at it
07:31because now
07:32if you see
07:32very well coined
07:35yes
07:36it was China's Himalayan blunder
07:38when they
07:38in the 2020 Galwan
07:40but now their
07:41disengagement has taken place
07:43de-escalation has taken place
07:44not the
07:45you know
07:46to an extent
07:47de-escalation
07:47de-escalation
07:48has not taken place
07:49so we should be on our guard
07:50so the
07:51the proxy powers
07:52whether it's Pakistan
07:53or Bangladesh
07:55come into play
07:56and
07:57Bangladesh is openly
07:58threatening
07:59the northeast
08:00openly
08:01you know
08:02they're going overboard
08:03in the threats
08:04they're realizing that
08:05Bangladesh
08:06is
08:07India
08:08is three sides
08:09of Bangladesh
08:10and if the threat
08:12of the slavery corridor
08:13Bangladesh
08:15is what
08:16the Chittagong corridor
08:17which is not
08:1920-odd kilometers
08:21and if we can
08:22liberate
08:23help liberate
08:24Bangladesh in
08:2513 or 14 days
08:26it will take
08:2713 to 14 hours
08:28to
08:30bifurcate
08:31the Chittagong corridor
08:32Bangladesh
08:33has to understand
08:34that
08:35India has a
08:35major military powers
08:36let's
08:37let's not deny
08:38that fact
08:38irrespective of
08:40I think
08:41to put it
08:42as one
08:43friend of
08:44us
08:45put it
08:45in 72 hours
08:48we can make
08:49the chicken's neck
08:5072 kilometers wide
08:51yes
08:52I think
08:53we
08:54it can become
08:5672 in
08:57barely 72 hours
08:58no
08:59I think
09:00more important
09:01would be to
09:01just
09:02take one
09:03you know
09:03have an
09:04excessive
09:04Chittagong corridor
09:05separate
09:06it will take
09:0813 hours
09:0814 hours
09:09that's all
09:10you know
09:13I
09:13in
09:152008
09:17I
09:19had
09:19written a book
09:20Assam
09:22Terrorism
09:23and the
09:23Demographic
09:24Challenge
09:24at that
09:26stage
09:27the
09:29demography
09:30had
09:31changed
09:32in about
09:3212 districts
09:34in 2005
09:37God bless
09:41his soul
09:41S.K. Sina
09:43who was the
09:43governor of
09:44Assam
09:45had written
09:46to the
09:47president
09:47that
09:49at least
09:50five districts
09:51are very
09:52very severely
09:53affected
09:53you know
09:54it was a
09:55sort of
09:55warning
09:55so between
09:572005 and
09:582008
09:59from 5
10:01it became
10:02to 11 to
10:0212
10:02now it's
10:05about 14
10:0615
10:06and
10:09yes
10:10had
10:12you can
10:12you have
10:13to
10:13you know
10:15I think
10:16Mr.
10:17Hemantabishwa
10:18deserves
10:20a credit
10:21for
10:22the
10:23you know
10:24way he's
10:25caught the
10:26bull by the
10:27horns
10:28literally
10:29the way
10:31his
10:32madrasas
10:34in
10:35Assam
10:35were a
10:35very
10:36they have
10:38been a
10:38you know
10:39source
10:39of
10:40radicalization
10:42very very
10:46conversion
10:47in the
10:48fullest sense
10:49you're
10:52right sir
10:53but what
10:53we also
10:54want to
10:54I think
10:54factor in
10:56the China
10:57and the
10:57Pakistan
10:58factors
10:58we need
11:00to factor
11:01in a
11:01big way
11:01because
11:0270%
11:03of
11:03military
11:03hardware
11:04of
11:04Bangladesh
11:05is
11:05Chinese
11:05origin
11:06and China
11:08has been
11:09constantly
11:10giving
11:10aid to
11:11Bangladesh
11:11grants to
11:12Bangladesh
11:12also part
11:14of the
11:14China
11:14dream
11:15of
11:15BRI
11:15right
11:16sir
11:16whereas
11:17the
11:17BRI
11:17which
11:17is
11:18the
11:18CPEC
11:18is
11:19not
11:20really
11:20succeeding
11:20in
11:20Pakistan
11:21but in
11:22Bangladesh
11:23Myanmar
11:23Bangladesh
11:24succeeds
11:24so we
11:25go to
11:26factor that
11:26in and
11:27we should
11:27never
11:27underestimate
11:27it
11:28and China
11:31is a
11:31big
11:31adversary
11:32whatever
11:32the
11:32political
11:32interests
11:33the
11:33geopolitical
11:34interests
11:34of
11:34China
11:34are
11:35China
11:36can only
11:37deter
11:38and meet
11:39and mitigate
11:39the China
11:39aggressive
11:40behavior
11:40by building
11:41capabilities
11:42we should
11:43have
11:43done
11:43it
11:43also
11:43because
11:44China
11:45is
11:45smart
11:45enough
11:45China
11:46uses
11:46Pakistan
11:47Pakistan
11:48client
11:48state
11:48of
11:48China
11:49on the
11:50one
11:50side
11:50and
11:51now
11:51we
11:51have
11:51China
11:52Pakistan
11:52Bangladesh
11:53axis
11:53emergence
11:54so
11:55we need
11:57to
11:57ensure
11:58the
11:58well-being
11:58of
11:581.44
11:59billion
12:00people
12:00so
12:01which
12:02is
12:02our
12:04aim
12:04in 2047
12:05we need
12:06a
12:06structure
12:07here
12:07is
12:08important
12:09without
12:09a
12:09you
12:10can't
12:10have
12:10and
12:12without
12:12a
12:12you
12:13can't
12:13have
12:13to
12:13sell
12:13a
12:13bar
12:13so
12:13they
12:14both
12:14go
12:14hand
12:14in
12:14hands
12:15right
12:16so
12:16when
12:16we
12:16look
12:17at
12:17Bangladesh
12:17we should
12:18also
12:18look
12:18at
12:18the
12:19Chinese
12:20approach
12:20there
12:21China
12:21had a
12:21meeting
12:21in
12:22Pakistan
12:22Bangladesh
12:24China
12:25supporting
12:25this
12:26thing
12:26Bangladesh
12:27the
12:28Tista
12:28project
12:28the
12:29Chinese
12:29are
12:29about
12:30to
12:30take
12:30on
12:30the
12:30Tista
12:30projects
12:31so
12:32they
12:32are
12:32coming
12:33there
12:33they
12:33also
12:34built
12:34a
12:34steel
12:34well
12:35road
12:35you
12:37know
12:37they
12:40also
12:40building
12:41a
12:41road
12:41in
12:42eastern
12:42Nepal
12:42so
12:43well
12:43you
12:44know
12:44the
12:44third
12:44country
12:44option
12:45we
12:45should
12:45be
12:46very
12:46careful
12:46about
12:47the
12:47Cilivari
12:47corridor
12:48and
12:48Bhutan
12:49also
12:49you
12:50know
12:50Chinese
12:50attempt
12:50in
12:51what
12:52we
12:52generally
12:52now
12:52call
12:53the
12:53Doh
12:53Klam
12:53which
12:53is
12:53actually
12:54a
12:54Dholam
12:54plateau
12:54but
12:55fortunately
12:57I
12:57have
12:57a
12:57very
12:58privilege
12:58to
12:58command
12:5933
12:59core
13:00which
13:00was
13:00looking
13:01after
13:01Bangladesh
13:02Bhutan
13:03China
13:06border
13:07and
13:08Nepal
13:08so
13:09you
13:09know
13:09all
13:10this
13:10converted
13:10to
13:10the
13:11silver
13:11border
13:12was
13:12one
13:13of
13:13my
13:13responsibility
13:14it's
13:15now
13:16we
13:16helping
13:17them
13:17create
13:18a
13:18village
13:18there
13:19a
13:21new
13:21village
13:22for
13:22which
13:23even
13:25this
13:25visit
13:26of
13:27Prime
13:27Minister
13:28Nandamudi
13:28is very
13:30significant
13:31because
13:31there
13:32is
13:32a
13:33ever
13:35since
13:39you
13:39know
13:39Doh Klam
13:40we had
13:40it was
13:41a little
13:42frustrating
13:42because
13:43they
13:45were
13:45able
13:45to
13:45do
13:46a
13:46lot
13:47despite
13:47what
13:48whatever
13:49kind
13:49of
13:50breaks
13:50we
13:50were
13:50applying
13:52but
13:53of
13:53late
13:54there's
13:55been
13:55a
13:55very
13:56major
13:57step
13:57up
13:57in
13:58the
13:58relationship
13:59and
14:00this
14:00I
14:00think
14:00the
14:02Chinese
14:02are
14:03very
14:04very
14:04suffering
14:06from
14:07great
14:07indigestion
14:07about
14:08this
14:08village
14:09it's
14:10okay
14:11if
14:11they
14:11make
14:11600
14:12villages
14:12all
14:14along
14:15the
14:15line
14:15of
14:15actual
14:16control
14:16yes
14:17but
14:18Bhutan
14:19is a
14:20trusted
14:21partner
14:21which
14:22says
14:25that
14:25we
14:25look
14:25after
14:25each
14:26other
14:26security
14:26interests
14:26absolutely
14:27we
14:28must
14:28ensure
14:29that
14:30we
14:30never
14:30it
14:31cannot
14:32be
14:32rested
14:33out
14:33of
14:33our
14:33you
14:34know
14:34it
14:36is
14:36a
14:37mutual
14:37we
14:38got
14:38mutual
14:39interest
14:39shared
14:39concerns
14:39China
14:40but
14:41I
14:41think
14:41the
14:41real
14:42issues
14:42are
14:42going
14:43to
14:43be
14:43Bangladesh
14:43Pakistan
14:45of
14:45course
14:45is
14:45always
14:46a
14:46mysterious
14:46neighbor
14:47Chinese
14:47are
14:48stronger
14:48neighbor
14:48there's
14:49no doubt
14:49about
14:49it
14:49but
14:50Bangladesh
14:51has
14:51the
14:51pinpricks
14:51which
14:52we'll
14:52have
14:52to
14:52really
14:52watch
14:53out
14:53in the
14:53near future
14:53near future
14:55you're
14:56absolutely
14:57right
14:57no
14:58and
14:58I
14:59think
14:59with
15:00reference
15:00to
15:00what
15:00you
15:01just
15:01said
15:01we
15:04must
15:04not
15:05at
15:05this
15:06stage
15:06hesitate
15:07to
15:07take
15:07any
15:08step
15:08which
15:09may
15:10go
15:10you
15:11know
15:11which
15:11may
15:11create
15:12a
15:12cartographic
15:13change
15:14I
15:17think
15:17we
15:17should
15:18because
15:19in
15:20defense
15:21ministry
15:22Rajnath
15:24Singh
15:24has
15:24already
15:25expressed
15:26this
15:27it's
15:29significant
15:30that
15:31you know
15:31very
15:33proper
15:34person
15:35very
15:36proper
15:36like
15:36defense
15:39minister
15:39Rajnath
15:40Singh
15:40has
15:40made
15:40that
15:41you know
15:41such
15:41a
15:41statement
15:42I
15:43think
15:43more
15:44importantly
15:44sir
15:45Bangladesh
15:45should
15:45not
15:46perceive
15:47our
15:47soft
15:47power
15:48as
15:49a
15:49soft
15:50state
15:50exactly
15:51understand
15:53that
15:53we
15:54are
15:54not
15:54a
15:54soft
15:55state
15:55we
15:55know
15:55the
15:56expansionist
15:56ideas
15:57we
15:58never
15:58had
15:5971
16:02we
16:02would
16:02have
16:02come
16:03back
16:03otherwise
16:03immediately
16:04we
16:06should
16:08practice
16:11sharp
16:13power
16:13with
16:13Bangladesh
16:14either
16:14you're
16:15with
16:15us
16:15or
16:15you're
16:15against
16:15us
16:15period
16:16and
16:17if
16:17you're
16:17against
16:17us
16:17we
16:18got
16:19number
16:20of
16:20land
16:20ports
16:20petropole
16:21itself
16:21is
16:2170%
16:22of
16:23exports
16:25to
16:25Bangladesh
16:25and
16:26India
16:26go
16:26from
16:26petropoles
16:27we
16:28give
16:28them
16:28oil
16:29from
16:29the
16:29gas
16:31electricity
16:33power
16:34so many
16:34things
16:35they're not
16:37paid for
16:37so the
16:38people
16:38have to
16:39feel the
16:41pinch
16:41it's
16:42good to
16:43say
16:43India
16:43out
16:44anti
16:44India
16:44feeling
16:45but they
16:46have to
16:46understand
16:47that
16:47we
16:47India
16:48is
16:48India
16:48and
16:48we
16:49are
16:49good
16:49neighbors
16:49good
16:50neighbors
16:50can't
16:50be
16:50taken
16:50granted
16:51you
16:52can't
16:52have
16:52our
16:52power
16:53you
16:53can't
16:53have
16:53our
16:53oil
16:53you
16:54can't
16:54have
16:54everything
16:54and then
16:56give
16:57space
16:58to
16:58the
16:58ISA
16:59in
16:59Pakistan
16:59make
17:00much
17:01of
17:01Pakistan
17:01they
17:01forget
17:02to
17:02have
17:02such
17:02light
17:03Pakistan
17:03use
17:03their
17:04territory
17:04against
17:05anti-India
17:06activity
17:07sir
17:07Jamaat
17:08is
17:08there
17:08Jamaat
17:09has
17:09always
17:09been
17:10supported
17:10by
17:10Jamaat
17:11is
17:11a
17:12cancer
17:13out
17:13there
17:14absolutely
17:14and
17:15China
17:16is
17:16a subtle
17:17player
17:18China
17:18China
17:18will
17:19pin-trick
17:20India
17:20from
17:21there
17:21and
17:21making
17:22open
17:23statements
17:24giving
17:25up
17:25you
17:25know
17:26they
17:26gave
17:26a
17:27map
17:27yes
17:29including
17:30seven
17:32sisters
17:33steps
17:33yeah
17:34I think
17:35there was
17:36a time
17:37when we
17:37should have
17:37taken a
17:37very strong
17:38step
17:38and including
17:39you know
17:39calling the
17:42high commissioner
17:43here and
17:44giving him
17:45whatever
17:46the best
17:47you can
17:47it should
17:48not be
17:48acceptable
17:48to us
17:49they want
17:50to understand
17:51that if we
17:51are a big
17:51party
17:52we are a big
17:52party
17:52here and
17:53Bangladesh
17:54you
17:55very right
17:56and this
17:57must
17:57you know
17:58there must
17:59be a very
18:00major nudge
18:00given to
18:01them
18:01and a
18:02jolt
18:03a jolt
18:04given to
18:04them
18:04that look
18:05please remember
18:06and I
18:07think we
18:07must make
18:08whatever attempt
18:10we can
18:10to dislodge
18:12this
18:14Jamaat
18:15back
18:17this
18:19unison
18:19is just
18:21you know
18:23a damp
18:24plant
18:25out there
18:26and try
18:28to get
18:28back
18:28because
18:29the
18:30Wami
18:31League
18:32was
18:33it was
18:35it was
18:36a very
18:36very
18:37important
18:40aspect
18:41for India
18:42for
18:42Wami
18:42League
18:43to be
18:43heading
18:44Bangladesh
18:46there's
18:50no doubt
18:50about it
18:51but the
18:52fact
18:52any
18:52dispensation
18:53in Bangladesh
18:54we should
18:54work and
18:55live with
18:55that
18:56it is
18:57all dispensation
18:58we respect
18:58the will
18:59of the
18:59people
19:00of Bangladesh
19:00but the
19:01fact remains
19:01that there
19:02can be
19:02no
19:02anti-India
19:04rhetoric
19:05and that
19:06anti-India
19:07rhetoric
19:07should be
19:07absolutely
19:11no
19:11anti-India
19:12rhetoric
19:13or any
19:14kind of
19:14damn
19:14activity
19:15sentiment
19:15also
19:16there should
19:16be
19:16consequences
19:17for the
19:18government
19:19and the
19:19people of
19:19Bangladesh
19:20for this
19:20you can't
19:21be inviting
19:22Pakistan
19:23and giving
19:23them a
19:24map
19:25which is
19:26unacceptable
19:27yes yes
19:28yes yes
19:28yes
19:29there's
19:30something
19:30and look
19:31at
19:31I think
19:32there are
19:33various
19:33interesting
19:33we understand
19:34we understand
19:34the geopolitical
19:35going on
19:36out there
19:36whether it's
19:36the Chinese
19:37whether it's
19:37Americans
19:37whether it's
19:38Pakistan
19:39Bangladesh
19:40is a tool
19:41and what the
19:43I really do not
19:44know when the
19:45elections will be
19:45held next year
19:46it's planned for
19:47next year
19:48February March
19:48and another
19:50section
19:51the Bangladesh
19:52Ami chief was
19:53trying to
19:55you know
19:56convince
19:58master units
19:59that you must
20:01have them by
20:01much earlier
20:03much earlier
20:05yes
20:05but he's
20:05he's succeeded
20:06to you know
20:08succeeded in
20:08stretching it
20:10up to
20:10February and
20:11we have to
20:13see you know
20:13believe we
20:15believe it
20:15only when it
20:16happens
20:16I think it
20:18should happen
20:19and Pakistan
20:20will understand
20:20that 52 rivers
20:21from India
20:22flow into
20:22Bangladesh
20:23sorry
20:24Bangladesh
20:25have to
20:25understand that
20:2652 rivers
20:27flow into
20:27Bangladesh
20:28you know
20:30you have to
20:32understand that
20:33Bangladesh
20:33is surrounded
20:34on three
20:34sides of
20:35India
20:35our goodwill
20:38should not
20:39be
20:39our goodwill
20:40should not
20:40take on
20:40granted
20:41no no
20:44absolutely
20:44right and
20:45now and
20:45this
20:46must be
20:48uses there
20:49by blessings
20:50of
20:51Barack Obama
20:53or Clinton
20:55or whatever
20:55that has to
20:57be broken
20:58and you
21:00know that
21:01this
21:01this has to
21:02be broken
21:03for for
21:04the good
21:04for the
21:05good health
21:06of India
21:06for India
21:08security
21:08absolutely
21:10right so
21:11the fact
21:11is that
21:12like I
21:13said
21:13mega powers
21:14are not
21:15liking the
21:15growth of
21:15India
21:16and this
21:16is timely
21:17the growth
21:17of India
21:18that they
21:19are using
21:19Pakistan
21:20and Bangladesh
21:20are pawns
21:21the neighbourhood
21:22has pawns
21:23it is
21:24to retard
21:25our growth
21:26to retard
21:27our
21:27structure
21:27and nothing
21:29else
21:29because I
21:30don't think
21:31Bangladesh
21:31will cut off
21:31the street
21:32corner
21:32they would be
21:33foolish to even
21:33think that
21:34it's not possible
21:35we've got a mighty
21:36military
21:38military which
21:43by God's
21:45grace
21:45the lethality
21:48of which
21:49we've proved
21:50we've proved
21:52like never
21:53before
21:53in those 88
21:55hours
21:55in May
21:58and time
21:59and again
21:59sir
21:59we've always
22:00delivered
22:00they should
22:00understand that
22:01and if we
22:03have said
22:04that it is
22:05only a pause
22:06and with what
22:07has happened
22:07in Red Fort
22:08in the last
22:10day or more
22:12you know
22:12and with
22:15Mr. Modi
22:16also
22:16very plainly
22:19you know
22:21conveying
22:21that
22:22justice
22:24will be done
22:25one only
22:27hopes that
22:27a very
22:30suitable
22:31suitable
22:31reply
22:32be
22:32punitive
22:34reply
22:34be given
22:35for whatever
22:36has happened
22:36in Red Fort
22:37and also
22:39alongside
22:39or
22:40maybe
22:41one is hoping
22:44that something
22:45as far as
22:46Bangladesh is concerned
22:47is already
22:48begun
22:50because
22:52at least
22:54one has
22:55heard
22:56that
22:56we've
22:58you know
23:00with
23:02with a
23:03kind of
23:04threat
23:06that
23:06the
23:08chicken's
23:08neck
23:08of
23:09the
23:10silly
23:11goody
23:11corridor
23:11was facing
23:13we've
23:14increased
23:16our deployment
23:17considerably
23:18considerably
23:19to the
23:20honestly
23:22I feel
23:23Bangladesh can
23:23do very little
23:24chicken next
23:24other than
23:25create a little
23:25bit of
23:25problem
23:26because they
23:27are very
23:27vulnerable
23:28economically
23:28they're very
23:29vulnerable
23:30they need
23:32the land
23:33ports of
23:34India
23:34for their
23:36growth
23:36the ready-made
23:37government
23:38industry
23:38the RMG
23:39industry
23:39which is
23:40most of
23:41Bangladesh
23:41governments
23:42the cotton
23:43goes
23:44from
23:44and
23:45you know
23:46their
23:47cottons
23:47and the
23:48jamdani
23:48sadis
23:48that's
23:50been one
23:50of their
23:51mainstays
23:51the
23:52rediment
23:54carbon
23:54industry
23:55and
23:55oil
23:56you say
23:58power
23:58they're
23:58dependent
23:58on India
23:59so they're
24:00dependent
24:01India is a
24:01bit too
24:02much
24:02we've been
24:02very good
24:03to them
24:03as good
24:04neighbors
24:04as you
24:06know
24:06and why
24:06not
24:07why not
24:08we need
24:12we need
24:12a stable
24:13region
24:13but at
24:14not the
24:14cost of
24:15our
24:15national
24:15security
24:15not the
24:16cost of
24:17our
24:18national
24:19interests
24:19and not
24:20at the
24:21cost of
24:21our
24:21sovereignty
24:22and
24:22national
24:22integrity
24:22which they
24:23are trying
24:23to question
24:24not the
24:25cost of
24:25threats
24:25which the
24:26Bangladesh
24:26is openly
24:26giving
24:27at times
24:27and well
24:29let's
24:29wait for
24:30the new
24:31dispensation
24:31we can
24:32deal with
24:32any
24:32dispensation
24:32it doesn't
24:33have to
24:33be
24:34one or
24:34the other
24:35we can
24:35deal with
24:35any
24:35dispensation
24:36but they
24:37should
24:37understand
24:37that
24:38they
24:38cannot
24:39take
24:39India
24:39for
24:40a
24:40major
24:40power
24:41and
24:42like
24:43he
24:43keeps
24:43saying
24:43if
24:44they
24:44have
24:44the
24:45Chittagong
24:46corridor
24:46and
24:46Chittagong
24:47is a
24:47very
24:47major
24:47port
24:48and
24:49that
24:49corridor
24:50is a
24:50very
24:50small
24:51one
24:51unfortunately
24:53a port
24:53which has
24:54been
24:54misused
24:56against
24:56India
24:57in a
24:59very
24:59major
24:59way
24:59in the
24:59past
25:00yes
25:01there
25:01is
25:01somewhere
25:03in base
25:03for the
25:03Chinese
25:04almost
25:04a
25:05division
25:06worth
25:06of
25:07arms
25:07were
25:08at
25:09one
25:09stage
25:10you
25:10know
25:11what
25:12landed
25:12there
25:13they
25:13landed
25:14there
25:14but
25:15unfortunately
25:16you don't
25:17understand
25:17once you
25:18do that
25:18the
25:19major
25:20sufferers
25:20will be
25:20Bangladesh
25:20itself
25:21because
25:22like
25:22a very
25:23famous
25:24dialogue
25:24Hillary Clinton
25:25you can't
25:25have snakes
25:27in a
25:27backyard
25:28and
25:28ask them
25:29to invite
25:29the neighbors
25:30only
25:30so
25:31you know
25:33supporting
25:33terror
25:34sponsoring
25:34terror
25:35is a
25:37two-way
25:37process
25:37it's only
25:38neighbors
25:38you want
25:39to pay
25:39for it
25:39like
25:39Pakistan
25:40is paying
25:40right now
25:40Pakistan
25:41is paying
25:41very heavily
25:41for
25:42the
25:43terror
25:44camps
25:44and the
25:45terrorists
25:45which it
25:45had supported
25:46and which it
25:46had given
25:48birth to
25:48look after
25:49now that
25:50you said
25:50that
25:51just
25:52see
25:52after
25:53Operation
25:55Sindhu
25:56these
25:58terrorist
25:59groups have
25:59had to
26:00hightail it
26:00some of
26:02them are
26:02in Bangladesh
26:03some of
26:06them are
26:06in
26:06I think
26:07they have
26:08gone up
26:08to Turkey
26:09Turkey
26:11but
26:12they are
26:14also
26:14creating
26:14chaos
26:15within
26:15Pakistan
26:16there are
26:16more
26:16terrorist
26:17attacks
26:17than
26:17Pakistan
26:17today
26:18than
26:20anywhere
26:20else
26:21I think
26:22Pakistan
26:23today
26:23is
26:23it's not
26:25only
26:25I hope
26:27they stabilize
26:28for the
26:29sake of
26:29Pakistan
26:29people
26:30one can
26:31only hope
26:31that
26:31the
26:33Afghan
26:34Taliban
26:34and the
26:35Taliban
26:35and the
26:35Pakistan
26:36will
26:38these
26:39are
26:39Pakistan
26:40terrorists
26:41these are
26:41not
26:41any
26:42foreign
26:42terrorists
26:42they are
26:43Pakistani
26:43terrorists
26:43whether
26:45they are
26:45Baluchis
26:45or
26:46Khyber
26:46they are
26:47Pakistani
26:47terrorists
26:48they are
26:50within
26:50Pakistan
26:51they are
26:52the
26:52own
26:52Pakistan
26:53is a
26:54very smart
26:54state
26:55like
26:56one of
26:56the
26:57DGISIs
26:57they are
27:00getting it
27:00very badly
27:02from
27:02Taliban
27:04and
27:04the
27:04Taliban
27:05Pakistan
27:06Correct
27:07A
27:07former
27:08DJ
27:08former
27:09DJ
27:09ISI
27:10Pakistan
27:10once
27:11said
27:11that
27:12Pakistan
27:12has
27:13defeated
27:13two
27:13superpowers
27:14firstly
27:15the
27:16Soviet
27:16Union
27:16with the
27:17help
27:17of
27:17Americans
27:17and
27:18then
27:18Americans
27:19with the
27:19Afghanistanis
27:20what
27:20what he
27:20did not
27:21say
27:21was
27:21that
27:22one
27:22who
27:22rides
27:23a
27:23tiger
27:23doesn't
27:23know
27:23how
27:23to
27:23get
27:24off
27:24so
27:24it
27:25is
27:25now
27:25the
27:25Pakistani
27:26is
27:26being
27:27defeated
27:27by
27:27the
27:27terrorists
27:28whom
27:28they
27:28used
27:30to
27:30defeat
27:30to
27:30superpowers
27:31absolutely
27:32they have to
27:32understand that
27:33the terrorists
27:34don't know anything
27:36other than
27:36terror
27:36that is
27:37their bread and
27:38butter
27:38they live
27:38with the
27:39gun
27:39they die
27:39with the
27:40gun
27:40and
27:40they are
27:41creating
27:41heaven
27:42within
27:42Pakistan
27:43heaven
27:43absolutely
27:44so today
27:45Pakistan
27:45is spending
27:46more
27:46of the
27:47troops
27:47the
27:48amount
27:48of
27:48tests
27:48that
27:49are
27:49occurring
27:49is
27:51much
27:51more
27:51and
27:52it
27:52is
27:52always
27:52sponsored
27:53by
27:53Pakistan
27:53for
27:54India
27:54but
27:55like
27:55this
27:55like
27:56you
27:56know
27:56rightly
27:57said
27:57they
27:58don't
27:59terrorists
27:59don't
28:00differentiate
28:00thereafter
28:01ideology
28:01doesn't
28:02come in
28:02absolutely
28:03absolutely
28:04so that
28:05they are
28:05paying
28:05for it
28:06similarly
28:06Bangladesh
28:06will have
28:08to pay
28:08for it
28:08also
28:09it
28:10is
28:10not
28:11that
28:11you
28:11know
28:11we can
28:12handle
28:12it
28:12we
28:12handled
28:12earlier
28:13we
28:13can
28:13handle
28:13it
28:13I
28:17think
28:17one
28:19is
28:20hoping
28:21that
28:22very
28:23soon
28:23some
28:24one
28:24of
28:25these
28:25mornings
28:25we
28:26will
28:26hear
28:27like
28:27we
28:27did
28:27on
28:28you
28:29know
28:29the
28:29mornings
28:30of
28:3010th
28:31and
28:319th
28:34and 10th
28:34of
28:35May
28:35some
28:38very
28:39very
28:39very
28:41major
28:41news
28:42about
28:43Operation
28:45Sindhur
28:45which
28:46we
28:47had
28:47gotten
28:48and
28:48I
28:49think
28:49it's
28:49time
28:49we
28:50received
28:51such
28:51news
28:51again
28:52let
28:56them
28:59self
28:59destroy
28:59first
29:00oh
29:01but
29:03then
29:03even
29:04you
29:04know
29:04in
29:05this
29:06we
29:06must
29:07play
29:07the
29:07catalyst
29:08in
29:08this
29:08you
29:09know
29:09because
29:10it
29:10must
29:10be
29:11it
29:11must
29:11be
29:11hurried
29:12we
29:12can't
29:12we
29:13we
29:13are
29:14you
29:14know
29:14we
29:14have
29:15raised
29:15the
29:15cost
29:16in
29:16cost
29:16of
29:16Pakistan
29:17Pakistan
29:17knows
29:18what
29:18has
29:18happened
29:18look at
29:19the
29:19amendments
29:20that
29:20taken
29:20place
29:21in
29:21the
29:21constitution
29:21amendments
29:22taking
29:22place
29:22they
29:23can't
29:25afford
29:25it
29:25economically
29:26they are weak
29:26militarily
29:27they are weak
29:27domestically
29:28they are weak
29:28particularly
29:29they are weak
29:29today
29:29so we
29:30have to
29:30understand
29:31that
29:31they are weak
29:32in all
29:32domains of
29:34essential
29:34elements
29:34of national
29:35power
29:35just by
29:37disinformation
29:38by disinformation
29:40and by
29:40public
29:40perceptions
29:42you can't
29:44the bubble
29:44has to
29:45burst
29:45it can't
29:46go on
29:46forever
29:47so today
29:47if you look
29:48at Pakistan
29:48economically
29:49what has
29:49happened to
29:50Pakistan
29:50after
29:51Sindhu
29:51they have
29:52raised the
29:52defense
29:52by 20 to
29:5325 percent
29:54and they
29:55cannot afford
29:56it
29:56they don't
29:57have food
30:00to eat
30:00they don't
30:01have
30:01yes
30:01the people
30:02people are
30:03suffering
30:03people are
30:04in a miserable
30:06state
30:06in the end
30:07it is all
30:08for the people
30:09the Pakistani
30:13army
30:13which controls
30:14about 20
30:14percent of
30:15the economy
30:16which is
30:16the greatest
30:18business
30:19organization
30:19in
30:20it is
30:22the economic
30:23interest
30:24the commercial
30:24interest
30:25which is
30:25taking place
30:25and the
30:26public
30:26what had
30:27happened
30:27on 9th
30:28of May
30:282023
30:29when for
30:30the first
30:30time
30:30the groundswell
30:31was so much
30:31against the
30:32Pakistani
30:32army
30:33that the
30:33core commander's
30:34house in
30:34Lahore was
30:35looted
30:35yes
30:36people took
30:37out
30:37biryani
30:38commerce
30:38fridge
30:39right
30:40so
30:40it is
30:41unheard
30:41of
30:42unheard
30:42of
30:42that was
30:43the
30:43acts
30:44of the
30:45people
30:46against
30:46the
30:46Pakistani
30:46army
30:47right
30:47so there
30:49is a
30:49momentary
30:49because of
30:50information
30:51but
30:51information
30:52narratives
30:52don't
30:53carry
30:53very far
30:54it has
30:55to
30:55substance
30:56the
30:56substance
30:56is
30:56not
30:57there
30:57and
30:58the
30:58terrorism
30:59is
31:00actually
31:01being
31:01fueled
31:03in
31:03Pakistan
31:04within
31:04Pakistan
31:05for
31:06the
31:06purposes
31:06of
31:07the
31:07Pakistani
31:07army
31:08by
31:08the
31:08Pakistani
31:09army
31:09right
31:10sir
31:10Pakistan
31:11army's
31:12relevance
31:13its political
31:14relevance
31:15its domestic
31:15relevance
31:16its economic
31:16relevance
31:16is on
31:17anti-India
31:17stance
31:18no nation
31:19can survive
31:21and sustain
31:22on an anti-stands
31:23their national
31:25trust can't be
31:26anti- it has
31:27to pro-Pakistani
31:27people
31:28they can't
31:29sustain it
31:30unlike India
31:31with Pakistan
31:32we will
31:32handle Pakistan
31:32Pakistan
31:33what a big
31:33thing
31:33what is Pakistan
31:35much
31:37I know
31:38there is
31:38so much
31:39more
31:39thank you
31:40very much
31:41thank you
31:42very much
31:43for a lot
31:44of
31:44very important
31:45aspects
31:46that you
31:46brought out
31:47and
31:48let's
31:49hope we
31:50hear some
31:51some
31:52very important
31:52news soon
31:53pleasure being
31:56with you
31:57again
31:57all the
31:58best
31:58thank you
32:00sir
32:00thank you
32:00for inviting
32:01me to
32:01the same
32:01conversation
32:02thank you
32:02and good
32:03night
32:03again
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